Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20170815

Person behind the desk in the oval office. Franklin roosevelt said its a place of moral leadership. We have to be in a position but as a country and Global Community where we believe what the president says. Where you have some innate confidence that things are in fairly good hands and i think for a lot of people that level of confidence started low and its gotten to be almost non existent. Charlie we conclude with the payer of louisville, kentucky greg fischer. If you cant be authentic and the person you are what good is it holding the office. These offices are honors to hold. If you ever forget that you ought to leave. Our job is to lift people up and provide aspirations for people to be better and to put in the plans and structures and processes to do that. But thats the job of us to lead to make our cities, country and state a better place we do that together. Charlie and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie we begin with President Trumps condemnation of hate groups including White Supremacists and neonazis. Its comment followed by criticism that he didnt denounce what happened on saturday. As i said on saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in america. We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence and rediscover the bonds of loyalty that bring us together as americans. Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are thugs and including the kkk, White Supremacists and those repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. Charlie one woman was killed and nine others injured after a car ran into a crowd of protesters at the rally. The Justice Department is opening up a civil rights investigation and the fallout on the president s comments has led to the speculation about steve bannon his chief political adviser. We have chief White House Correspondent major garrett. Looking at this from the white house perspective what will be the fallout, if any, to the status of those who work as principle advisors to the president . Lets talk about steve bannon, charlie. Hes been in the biggest jeopardy hes been in in the white house. His stock has risen and fallen but thats been true of officials who have held on and put back in the game after theyve been banished but im being told who are close advisors but not inside the building and those within the white house itself steve bannon has fallen out of favor. Part is due to the arrival of the chief of staff, john kelly, who promised the president upon his arrival hed bring order and discipline to the white house and an aspect would be to do whatever he could to eliminate the crossfire that goes on within the west wing. The rivalries and fighting and back fighting. And for a lot of reasons steve bannon of late has been blamed for leaking or carrying out efforts to undermine other significant officials within the white house. Most conspicuously h. R. Mcmaster. Im told upon his arrival chief of staff kelly wanted to strengthen the position of h. R. Mcmaster as the National Security adviser and in so doing it is quite clear to me that Steve Bannons stock has fallen. One wellplaced white house source told me bannon could be gone as soon as the end of this week. Now, ive covered a lot of intrigue with this white house, charlie, i must tell you nothing is definitive until the president decides but the arrow for steve bannon is never been lower and his longevity in this white house never been more in question. Charlie but whats interesting about what youve said it the he may be fire sooner than we imagine, maybe this week, is the idea hes be fired because of his opposition to h. R. Mcmaster rather than his support for breitbart or for certain populist positions that helped the president get elected. Well, they kind of come together in a small sense, charlie. Those who are part of the Breitbart News atmosphere or echo chamber had been among those working most aggressively against the interest of h. R. Mcmaster. Today john mccain who lets be honest doesnt drive a lot of policy at the white house but is nevertheless a significant voice said the attacks on h. R. Mcmaster have to stop. They were interpreted as a way of saying mcmaster is probably safer and the source of those attacks which everyone in the white house believesixi1 set i motion by steve bannon is more vulnerable and that was mccain positioning himself against something he think may happen, the strengthening of mcmaster and possible dismissal of bannon. Charlie who supports steve bannon at this point inside the white house . Its hard to know. The president has a long standing personal relationship with steve bannon and they have shared a general sense of political ideology around the National Economic messages and thats something the president prided himself on that bannon sided with him and nevertheless theyre simpatico there. Probably the biggest backer of steve bannon and ones who may be more influential are the Mercer Family which is a significant donor to republican causes generally and has been a significant donor to President Trump and recently made a large contribution to a super pac going after republicans critical of President Trump or less enthusiastic on the trump agenda. They can play a bigger role outside the white house as anyone inside the building. Charlie if the president fires steve bannon knowing who has supported him in the past. Whats the risk to the president if he is outside and in a position to criticize the president . Thats the same question raised about Reince Priebus would he do more harm outside than working on behalf of the agenda or how effectively or ineffectively he did so and the same question of steve bannon is it better to have him in or out. If the president makes this decision will show his understanding of what the white house needs to run and what it means to have a functioning wello white house and if thats what President Trump values more than anything else hell give kelly this latitude to not only create a white house that works but that communicates more correctly and operates and since he came in with historically low approval rate President Trumps base has been politics. His supporters are more ambivalent than when the presidency started and a lot of people have gotten off the trump train. Part of the mission of this new chief of staff is to improve that. Charlie how fierce is steve bannon fighting back to keep his job . Thats a good question, charlie. I dont have insider tactical hourbyhour on this but i know steve bannon is a survivor. Reince priebus is a survivor. More than many expected. His shelf life start to diminish in early february and he lasted longer than that. As i said before with all palace i i intrigue stories theres ways to remind him of allegiances from the past. A lot of this will boil down to whatever it is steve bannon can bring to the table on his behalf against those who he has clashed with on the Economic Team and what is the overall advice and how seriously is it taken from general kelly to the president of the United States. Charlie and finally this question, who influenced, if anyone, for the president that iginal instinct to the tragedy in charlottesville . Well, this is part and parcel of candidate trumps approach to this issue and as president. He doesnt like to wade into the deep specifics about anything root causes of right wing, arch conservative rhetoric or violence. He never has and has always kept those issues, if he can do it, at arms length. Those who know him is because he doesnt want to brand one group outside the mainstream and have to adjudicate another at another time. He wants to speak broadly about being against violence and all forms of bigotry and all forms of organized hatred. Not getting into whether its on the right or left side of the spectrum. There are those within the president s own set of advisors and the president himself who believe there are nefarious groups less than hospitable on the left and sometimes resort to violence. The president doesnt like to adjudicate this. Clearly the politics of this registered in ways that were first identified and publicly given voice by his daughter, ivanka and that was the first sign to all of us when she put out her tweet denouncing the right wing and supremacist and white supremacist groups you knew overtime it would move its way to the president. It had to go to the Vice President travelling overseas and the attorney general and the president. The evolution began with ivanka the weather vain handling the issues he would keep at arms length. Charlie thank you so much. Well be right back. Stay with us. We continuing continuing we continue looking at the event ofs this weekend with jon meacham and al sharpton. Im pleased to have you both. Jon, how did you see the action as a fellow southerner. With the tradition there and the education and all of that. Absolutely. It was a tragic example of a perennial american tradition of hate and alienation. I think its been report they started finding blue dots in red states so the drama is more pronounced. Its an old tactic theyve taken from dr. King. We are living in 2017 in which the president of the United States cannot find it in his heart or mind and one would hope he could find it in both places to condemn the darkest part of the american psyche. Until we grapple with that well have a continually frustrating conversation about these important issues. Charlie are you suggesting he cant find it in his heart because hes a racist or because hes blinded by political strategy . I think the best thing you can say about the president s reaction on saturday is it was morally ambiguous. Thats the best thing you can say. He governs to his base. Thats clearly part of his political strategy and his base includes people not entirely people but includes people like david duke who said this weekend that we voted for trump to take our country back. Thats what we have to do. Thats what david duke said and the president before he was the president cond couldnt find it in his heart or mind to remove himself from that vitriol. I think he is right. When you look at the fact that many of those in the hate rally had on trump caps and caps on saying make america great. It was uincumbent upon the president saying dont identify me with this. Bob dole told hate groups i dont want your support. The exit sign is this for you at the convention center. This president during the campaign would not denounce david duke for days acting like he didnt hear the question or was ducking that. He is never taking them on. It took 48 hours after a young lady was killed for him to denounce these people that engage in terrorism by name. He denounced the ceo of merck for leaving his Economic Council in less than an hour. 48 hours and a Young American woman is dead by a selfdescribed white supremist group. Charlie america has changed in many ways. How has it not changed . We made strides in many areas just the social fabric in one generation. My mother was from alabama and she couldnt vote in her hometown until she was 39 and looked to her son to run for president and lived to see an African American president. We should never underestimate that and the price paid for that we see ceos of Major Corporation and things that are astonishing that my mother and grandparents would never have imagined but we still see the same economic gap. Were still doubly unemployed to whites. We still have about 25 to 40 in terms of when you measure education from the basics in Educational Opportunities in health care disparities. The life the majority of African Americans is still at the same percentage point differences in major ways you would count and try and record the data as it was many years ago. Its just because societys moved up it may look better but the gap is still there. I think that weve not been honest about that and i think in the euphoria of the election of president obama we started to hearing people that are supposedly intelligent saying were in a post racial generation. We never were. We were able to achieve some things despite the racism and hate. Not because they disappeared but because others persevered, black and white. I think many of us are now beginning to see again because you dont have the hopeful picture of a president obama who was inclusive and others. Even george bush and i marched on a welfare reform bill but none of them would not address something as blatant as weve seen it and take two days. Charlie is it too little, too late . He did not address it was domestic terrorism or disassociate himself from them. He had the responsibility to do that. He had the more than obligation to do that as the president of the United States. The easy way out is is the call of a name. He has shown a real tendency to use methods and the only race issue ive ever known he comes from queens right next to howard beach and 8 6th. The only racerelated case is when he took out ads he paid for in new york papers calling about the latino boys in the central park rape and they were found innocent and said after the city shouldnt have settled. The only racial contribution was to go against young black and latino young men found to be innocent and he still wouldnt change. Charlie jon, do you think well look back on it and see a moment of change. Do you think well look at an Inflection Point . I hope so. Im skeptical of that. I think its part of the tragic pattern. I think it begins in our native region in the aftermath where you had the founding of the klan on Christmas Eve not quite eight months after general lee you had the beginning of white resistance. The fires of hate burn the brightest in times of economic and social stress. Reconstruction with that kind of moment. The institution of jim crow into the 1890s. The klan put 50,000 people in washington in the middle of the 1920s partly because of fears of immigrants coming out of the bolshevik revolution and antisemnism and the fear of old time religion and the cold war anxieties and the isolation of Charles Lindbergh and the early 1960s. You had the antigovernment sentiment of the mid 1990s when the innocent people including the children the Daycare Center died when Timothy Mcveigh bombed the federal building. Have you these moments when some part of the white population frankly feels alienated and di dispossessed and theres the changing dem og demography and thats part of the reason donald trump is president only 19 of people trust the federal government and were 70,000 off for a family of four to have a middleclass life. Those are the numbers that produced this. On the racial question and with all respect to my friend its not a dog whistle if everybody can hear it. Thats where were at now. Hes right. I think a lot of people heard it and all the people in the media were acting as if they didnt understand what were hearing. When you have people feeling alienated and have you a candidate that blames the others that started his political career by raising its them, its somebody else and goes from there to mexicans and islam phobia its the them. Its not your fault. When globalizatio globalization has cast more jobs than immigration but theres in plan and he didnt run on that. This kind of comforting people with bigotry is dangerous and i would hope its in this period but we dont know that it is, were trying to do what we can. And im wrestling with you have to deal openly and say im not going to deal with those element and violence. Ive had to deal with that. Im not staying a lot of things a lot of public figures have had to struggle with. He knows better. Everyone of us knows better and he out to ought to stand up for the good of the country. Charlie youre saying he doesnt stand up because of his political ambition or at heart a racist . I dont know the reason. I know the actual behavior. I dont want to psychoanalyze him but i know what i see and whatever the motive the results are the same. Charlie is this simply after slavery we never healed . All the impact of slavery . Its the american dilemma. Theres two American Indian removal and slavery. Its wrapped up in the fabric of the country. Read the constitution. When they wrote all men are created equal there was a narrow definition. The history of the country, however slow or bloody we have tried to become a more perfect union. Its not something well achieve on this side of paradise but weve become stronger the wider we opened our arms. Its easier to say theyre Fringe Groups and overreacting. I disagree. I think you have these moments where the extremes, the hate, the people who are giving those solutes after trying to free the world of that regime and theres an enormous unease in the country and its easier to point your finger and say an immigrant is responsible for a black person is responsible and its not me. I would recommend to everybody read im sure a lot of folks have richard hofstetters essay it was a lecture in 1963 and the cover of Willie Morris harper in 1964. It wont take long and youll see from to charlottesville, virginia this week have you moments where the dispossessed want to blame someone else. The difference we have now is the president himself is one of the people doing the pointing. Charlie does it matter you mentioned Thomas Jefferson and he had slaves. Had slaves and children with slaves. Charlie should they take down the memorial . People need to understand people that were slaves and had forced sex my great grandfather was a slave in South Carolina owned by the family arestrom thurman was one of them. This is personal. This is not a removed discussion. Our families were victims of this. Charlie everybody associated with slavery in terms of a public monument to them . When you look at the fact that public monuments are supported by public funds youre asking me to subsidize the insult to my family and the public should not be paying to uphold somebody with that kind of background. Have you private museums and other things you may want to do that but thats not the issue here, charlie. Were talking about here an open display of bigotry announced and overand over again and followed up by violence and terrorism and the president wont speak to it. August 28, 1963 dr. Kings speech, i have a dream, he stood and talked about lincolns promise. Two weeks from monday were bringing white, black, muslim clergy to washington and to think how dr. King just dreamed and went to barack obama and two weeks before we recognize that day we see charlottesville and a president that has laryngitis for two days on that issue . Its something that many of us are going to stand aggressively and non violently. Charlie the attorney general announced today theyll be a rigorous investigation. I asked if it will be a high priority and get to the bottom and the attorney general is an associate of the president youre criticizing. An associate of the president well see what he does but its the same attorney general we met with five civil rights organizations that said he would withdraw from the Voting Rights lawsuit in texas we considered bias and the same attorney general that wanted to stop the dissent decree in baltimore that had been already agreed to by the Justice Department and the same attorney general talking about reversing affirmative action. If were not applauding had him is because of the positions hes taken but well wait and see. Charlie and we know north koreas a National Security challenge. Is this a National Challenge . I think its a challenge and ongoing one because it goes to the moral credibility of the person behind the desk in the oval office. Franklin roosevelt said the presidency is preeminently a place of moral leadership. We have to be in a position as a country and Global Community where we believe what the president says. Where you have some innate confidence that things are in fairly good hands. And i think for a lot of people that level of confidence started low and its gotten to be almost non existent. I think its an exacerbating moment. Its yet another example of a place where the president had an opportunity, tragically, because theres a woman who is dead, two state troopers who are dead because of this attempt to put neonaziism back in the front of the american imagination. Because of that there are people who are dead. And this is a moment where a president could have spoken beyond the 34 , 36 of people who approve of his job. Charlie you said theyll judge him harshly. History will judge the president s word play and sooner i think than he realizes. What do you mean by that . I think this is not about were going to look back in a certain number of years and realize this man was not commensurate with the challenge and dignity of his office. I think its unfolding in real time. I think this was a man would was disqualified, in my view, from the office by alluding Second Amendment advocates should take care of hillary clinton. I think he has encouraged violence. I think he has in a way tacitly and perhaps even explicitly enabled very dark impulse. Charlie do you think this president will last four years . I dont know if he will. I think that we are very close to seeing a president just implode. Charlie whats implode mean . Politically implode in the sense that losing the confidence of Many Americans that not only can he be decent. The president that responds off the hip, quickly to everything couldnt find his voice with a young woman dies with a victimization of a terrorist act. I think a lot of people are saying its not only moral its just decent. How do you not respond to that . How do you not pick up the phone and call her family and say americans are with you . How do you have to be pushed into saying the most basic and even then most removed from any personal kind of identity with what the situation could have been even indirectly encouraged by your actions or lack of them. I dont know how you do that and maintain the confidence of the American Public including many of them that voted for you. Charlie thank you for coming. Thank you. Charlie thank you, jon. Well be back. Stay with us. Greg fischer is here the democratic mayor of louisville, kentucky. Hes tried to reform it to an urban laboratory and create jobs and make louisville a more compassionate city and added jobs and businesses and 23 hotels. His belief that data and technology can improve peoples lives has brought to his City Projects like google fiber and cnet smart apartment. Politico called him the most innovative mayor. Welcome. How have you done it . And then well talk to charlottesville. All i suggested there does this come from your background as an entrepreneur . Why you . Why louisville . Well, you combine the head with the heart and great things happen and thats what great businesses do. They appeal to the best in people. They train people and set a vision and you guide the city through wonderful values. Our values are life long learning and health and compassion and you have a Strong Economic Development strategy focussed on the unique strengths of the city and everybody has to feel like theyre along for an economic positive ride. You pull that together and work 22 hours a day and things happen. Charlie at the same time a lot of us hear what you said and think to ourselves whats he mean by compassion . Its been one of the most interested journey and more people have interested in that than anything we do. The notion the values, life long learning, easy. Health, easy, physical, mental and environMental Health. But i looked for a third value and thats where compassion came from. We define as respect for each and every one of our citizens so theyre Human Potential is flourishing. The metaphor of people Walking Around like the sun. Were born win kindness and love and compassion. That should be the number one job of a leader. Us as individual leaders to call out the best in people for some reason we dont do that. It calls into notion what is power. Too often in america we say power is money and strength. How about power being compassion and joy and the ability to bring out the best up people. When do you that around a plan you can build a great city and state and country. Charlie speaking of the country, tell me your reaction to the events in louisville and the president s first reaction . Part of the media today you see everything in real time and your brain processing this and saying is this really going on in our country . Swift condemnation should come out for the racism. Charlie it should be instinctive. Thats a layup. Tat thats an easy one. And with the removal of a statue they rose to the occasion. Rising to the occasion doesnt have a party label to it. It comes from the heart and you knee you know when you need to go out. If its a crisis or trouble you go to it and address the issue straight on. Charlie but it didnt happen. Do you think this was simply looking at his Political Base or part of his Political Base or im talking about the first instinct . You think somebody was lobbying saying have you to be careful and balanced because some that helped him get elected will take finance. Offense. You go with where your heart and head tells you to go and let your chips fall where they may. If you cant be authentic whats good holding the office. Theyre honors to hold. If you forget that you ought to leave. Our job is to lift people up and provide aspiration for people to be better than what they can be and put in the plans and structures and processes to do that but thats the job of us to lead to make our cities, state and country a better place and we do that together. Charlie did the president in a sense go a long way in terms of clearing the record for him . You see people attacking him on both sides. The good news is we learn and we come back and say maybe i should have been more forceful. People wanted to hear that on day one. People wanted that and we move forward. I dont watch the lips, i watch the actions. Thats really whats critical and how people judge us. What should the president show us by action . He can do a lot of things. You can go to the scene. Can use more words. You can stand with a Diverse Group of partners. The reality is our country is extraordinarily diverse and the people that want to harken to a day gone by, translation, white men running everything. Thats gone. This pluralism is a strength. Embrace it. Too many people feel theyre losing something with the evolution of our country. So much is caught up in the Bigger Picture which say rapidly changing global world fueled by technology that has outpaced many peoples ability to compete. Heard that concern from our urban areas for generations. Maybe centuries and you saw that in the riots in our streets post feguson. It doesnt make sense for people to tear down their cities but when theyre so frustrated they see no hope thats what happens. We saw this in the last presidency well. They want a connection to a positive hopeful future. Charlie and they think what is not giving that to them . Technology . Is it about technology stealing their jobs . And about nativism . Charlie what is that . The other. Theyre taking my job. They dont look like me and they dont worship the same religion. You dont build a team that way. Charlie can you build a Successful Political Campaign that way . I dont believe you can for the long term. The long term to me is the crase of more opportunity for everybody in the country to benefit. The long term is speaking the truth together to adjust their lives and their familys lives to be in a position to prosper and compete. Sometimes people dont want to hear that but you need to tell the truth and provide resource and training so something can reorient themselves and their family so the future. Charlie why is this country had such a hard time dealing with race . Weve never addressed it head on. You go back to Abraham Lincoln and the actions he took. Thats what a leader does. Then weve seen waves of movement and civil rights and progress and tearing it back again. What i found in my job, my found has made me more socially progressive on one hand and more appreciative of Law Enforcement on the other hand. The ability to try to understand especially as a white man what minorities go through every day in our country you have to try. When you talked about issues about privilege and the privilege you have from having a great family. That can come from any race or the privilege of being white in our country. Some caucasians recoil from that and say ive worked hard for everything. Thats true but you havent walked around looking different and theres no question its harder if youre a person of color. You can succeed but its harder. Charlie is it affirmative action . Is it what . First off having a lens of equity and access so you can say the same opportunities are here for everybody. Take for instance when kids go to kindergarten. An advantaged familys child will be three years ahead of a disadvantaged familys child. I mean lack of access and opportunity. That can come regardless of color. Theres more low income white people than black people. Our collective job if you believe were all interconnected and dependent is to make sure the kids have as many resources as they can so they show up about the same. I say will you agree with me morally or from an economically developed perspective or from a Public Safety standpoint. Because we need a safe society and riots are bad for business. You want peace in the village where everybodys moving forward. Charlie when you look at a kid who goes to kindergarten and if hes behind when they start they simply fall behind. Thats right. And American Society today is willing to invest in those people afterwards with incarceration and all types of social services. We need to redesign our systems so were investing on the front end so they show up ready to learn and be a productive citizen. When you look at the big work we have to do country ride we have to redesign our Education System and housing system and immigration system. Were getting results that our Education System is designed to produced. It wasnt designed maliciously butin the era when that were traditional families. Now we have a rapidly changing global world and traditional families. Shouldnt we redesign the system. If we were a business wed be out of business and with the disparity and lack of opportunity in our country suggest the systems broken. We need a functioning washington, d. C. Charlie its broken. What would due to fix it . Theres practical aspects. Over 10 Million People in this country are not here for legal documents. Its impractical to ship all these folks back. We have to make sure our borders are secure. We have to start that. Thats something we all agree on but we have an issue we have to deal with now. Face that reality and look at what helps our country. We are an aging country without immigrants. Were not a growing country without immigrants. Were not as entrepreneurial without immigrants. My wifes parents fled their country after world war ii. Theres an m. D. , ph. D. And masters. Dont away we want those people our country . We should be embracing that. Education is the great leveller. Going back to my inlaws. They never bought an automobile to put every dime they had in their kids education. Charlie and education lifted them up on their own. And the worked hard so the opportunities are there. Charlie in terms of jobs, this president constantly talks about jobs. Are we creating jobs. The job numbers are good. The gdp is good. Whats happening to the economy in louisville . Weve had great m0 we have 30,000 open jobs now so if anybody wants to move to louisville a great place to live and we have plenty of open jobs. Charlie you dont have enough people to fill the jobs. Our economys growing faster than the ability to fill and train up the jobs. Charlie its a nice place to live. Good quality of life. Some say the best quality of life in the country. We have to make sure people are ready for the jobs and as the value of life long learning and youre always ready for a 21st century of career. The issue is the hollowing out of jobs charlie hollowing out means what . Not as many. Fewer people are getting richer and a lot of people getting poorer. When we had a strong middle class you had more and more positive energy in our country. Charlie the opposite is happening in emerging countries and markets. It is the fact theyre creating a middle class and the creation of a middle class creates demand and therefore economic growth. 70 of our economy is driven by retail. If we dont have people making living wages our economy is going to have difficulty growing. Plus, it leads to the unrest in the streets and it limits peoples Human Potential and gets back to our value of compassion. So how do we look at our country and city. Were focussing on jobs, innovation and globalization. If youre companys focussed in that area youll be competitive because the goal is not just the number of jobs to produce its also the type of jobs. So were trying to increase our median wage so people have good wages. Charlie youre a politician. Characterize the politician in the white house . How do you look at this person . First id like to say im a Public Servant not a politician. Charlie when i hear you say that the only thing i recall is i think politics say noble profession. People like you who have success in business came to politics. I assume you didnt need the money but Public Service is and it comes from politicians. Yes, theres corruption and a thirst for power that leads to all kinds of acts to get power that are questionable and then its how you handle power that determines your life of politician. I agree with that. I got fed up with things as a citizen. I always told my kids if youre complaining about something do something about it and they said does that mean youre running for office, dad and i said i guess so. Charlie so you chose mayor as the first office . I ran for the United States senate and didnt know what i doing and ran a fourmonth campaign and came in second. And ive always done Community Service work. I ran for mayor. Its a great honor to be a mayor. You have to have the head of an executive officer and heart of a social worker. Charlie youre closest to where problems are. We go to congress as mayors and say were here to help. Sometimes you get so removed from reality you dont see the issues taking place. For instance, when the Health Care Debate was going on the amount of pain inflicted on cities and states if Affordable Care act was repealed is something mayors of america kept hammering home, remember our people, understand what youll do to them, think about the Opioid Crisis taking place in our country. We need more help not less help. Heres the reality from a guy thats a man who happens to be a business person, 18 of our countrys gdp is spent on health care. Whats the next country doing . Germany, 10 . United kingdom, 8 . How can they cover everybody in their country and their people live longer in half the amount were spending. Charlie whats the answer . We night need to look at the pharmaceuticals or Preventative Health . Theres an answer there. Sometimes we think we cant learn but this say big system change, i get that. But people designed these systems. People can change them as well. While d. C. s caught up in ideology and saying heres the shiny object. Change the system so cost are in line so everybody can get more and better coverage. The numbers are there to do it. Charlie what changes the Opioid Crisis. Its being called a national crisis. Its ravaging our rural areas and our cities as well. The unfortunate thing is how do you cure this . One addict at a time and recovery is hard. Very hard. The last thing we want to do is put this issue in the shadows. We need to remove the stigma of addiction and Mental Illness to make sure treatment is readily available. Let me tell you one thing were doing in louisville. When someone comes to the jails and theres dual diagnosis and Mental Health and addiction of some kind. When they come in we help them with their treatment we sign them up for medicaid so when they leave jail they continue treatment not just go out on the streets. You can provide housing and 24 7 counseling a year. Its morally right and less expensive. Charlie thank you for coming. Thank you, charlie. Charlie thank you for joining us. See you next time. Rose communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. This is nightly Business Report with Tyler Matheson and sue herrera. Home sweet home. Home depot reports earnings that some call the best in retail, but why werent the results good enough for wall street . Taking a stand. The ceo of walmart criticizes the president as more executives leave white house advisory panels. Flying high. 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