Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20160716

Very tense and combustible and the forces of law and order and the Intelligence Forces are struggling to keep a lid on it. And Alexander Marquardt of abc news. Theres discussions of age and whether he was a french citizen. In the isisinspired attacks in the past in paris and brussels youve seen them carried out by citizens of that country and often of north african origin in this case this 31yearold man is from tunisia and nice in particular has been known as something of a jihadist hot bed. And john meachams cover story on Time Magazine on donald trump. Hes unapologetically the most unqualified candidate so this is weve talked about this before using the word unprecedented tricky. Hes pretty close to be unprecedented on all accounts. Rose we finish win john f. Kennedy jr. And on his book on the murder Michael Skakel that did not commit. He was brought by toby bryant a cousin of the basketball star kobe bryant. His elder brother is an nba brother who played for the mavericks. And he was a classmate of Michael Skakel for two years. Rose a look at the horrible story in nice. A conversation with john meacham and robert f. Kennedy jr. When we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose in france flags are at half staff where a french into crowds celebrating bastille day and left a mile long of dead and wounded in his wake. Let me begin with a question on many peoples minds which is one, why is this happening and two what can be done about it . Well, why is it happening clearly theres a type of radical islam which is inspiring attacks now. We know this has happened with the Islamic State group and we know going back a couple year one of the key preachers in the alqaeda group in yemen was trig to inspire individuals living in western countries in his words to take a car, a knife, anything and attack nonbelievers so we understand what inspiration in the broad sense. We dont know in the case of mohamed lahouaiejbouhlel whether there was contact with the Islamic State group or alqaeda and there was a plan to this thing or it was a general type of incitement call it what you will towards muderous violence from militant islamic preachers. For what can be done thats difficult looking back to the tragedy in paris where 130 people were killed this is a complex conspiracy involving if you talk about the support network anything up to a couple of dozen people. Some of whom were already unlike the nice attacker, we believe, on the radar of the french and other european in Intelligence Services and even with all those factors they didnt detect that before it was set into execution. So it is a difficult target but equally there is evidence of slips by the Intelligence Services in some European Countries and concern there isnt still, if you like, there arent still things being done to make the intelligence and counterterrorists picture better and more effective at heading people off. Rose maybe the event speaks to itself but do you know whether they have a particular piece of evidence that says this was an act of terrorism . I think while its a very good question because we know that this man was a joint tunisianFrench National. We know in many ways he fit the profile of militants who have been involved in the paris and brussels attack. He had a Police Record and had been involved in petty crime and was not considered to be involved with militant islam. In that sense i think theyre looking for the more precise clues. We know the Islamic State group still hasnt claimed this. There hasnt been official response from their affiliated media outlets. I think there are open questions still about the degree to which they had real involvement in this or whether this was simply somebody for a combination of motivations, resentment of French Authority and perhaps some religious motivation chose to this. Rose and the interesting thing to me too is that they do not our ci director here, john brennan has spoke to the issue, were not being very successful in not only have the right intelligence but to be able to find a counternarrative that will prevent people from wanting to do what these people who have been engaged in these terrorists activities are doing. My question to you is this the wave of the future where socalled lone wolfs are going out on their own without being directed other having the general sense we want you to go kill nonbelievers. Its a complex question and this is an emerging picture. I mean we dont know, for example that Mohamed Bouhlel went to syria to fight there where some key figures in the paris attacks in november and the people involved in brussels were people who were known to have gone and fought in syria. The more connections there are between individuals the more Movement Across frontiers the fewer the excuses in a way for not finding them and getting some kind of warning. What you really get a sense of in europe in the past year to 18 months certainly since the Charlie Hebdo attacks is work needs to be done to built up local people who would have the contacts mosques and such if someone starts slowing an interest in interpretations of islam. Can they tip somebody to wink and this doesnt seem to be there. In fact if you read into whats been going on in france in the past year or two there was a lot of concern about the disbanment of the Regional Police Intelligence Units and the ability to run informers at the local level to give warning. Its a complex picture. Clearly the person who is networked in some way has been out to syria and part of the isil group, that sort of person should be easier to turn up than the socalled lone wolf. Rose theres also this question ill conclude in france itself we have the Prime Minister saying well have to live with terrorism. We have the president saying the state of emergency will have to be continued and declared three days of national mourning. Give us a sense of what the impact is on the nation and the citizens. Look, i spoke to a gentleman who is the French National intelligence coordinator a few months ago about the possibility of an attack during the euro 2016 soccer championships. He told me they had actual intelligence that such a thing was planned but they had to go with it in order to stand up for freedom and french values and not be intimidated and the attack didnt come but then happened during the bastille day. The French Services and police feel theyre involved now in a very largescale battle. There are very worrying signs not just in terms of the number of instant many were not seeing reported because they dont result in deaths but the number of incidents of violence taking place and the possibility of extreme rightwing counterbalance. We know the arrested of a frenchman on charges of trig to buy weapons in ukraine a few weeks ago. He was allegedly planning counterattacks on muslims. So the whole picture in French Society is very tense, very combustible and the forces of law and order and the security Intelligence Services are struggling i think to keep a lid on it. Thank you so much for joining us. Mark urban of the bbc. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Also joining us from nice is abs news correspondent alex marquardt. Thank you for doing this. Tell me what we now know about the man who did this horrible act. Were learning a lot more about the attacker who for the time being appears to have carried out the attack singlehandedly. He is mohamed lahouaiejbouhlel and a Tunisian International and has been living here year and is a driver here and wasnt really known to authorities except for a conviction back in may for violence and got into an altercation with two other drivers and used wood as a weapon and thats the only interaction known win security forces. He certainly wasnt known to the Intelligence Services or known to have connections to extremists groups. As soon as the authorities had identified bouhlel they went to his apartment and carried out a raid there. They did not find any weapons or explosives. We understand they took away documents and a phone. They have also detained his wife but so far no more information about whether this plot could have gone beyond this young man or whether he just carried out himself as the a lone wolf. Rose and no one has taken credit . No one has taken responsibility. The immediate assumption its an isis attack or isisinspired attack. After orlando isis was quick to claim credit but so far we have seen no claim of responsibility. There have been rumors and perhaps the rumors have been confirmed by now that he was having trouble at work and was having trouble in his marriage and he was an angry man. Well, thats certainly something theyll be looking into. For now theyre just rumors. What we do know is simply the concrete facts, his name, his age. There was some discussion early on whether he ways french citizen. In the past in these isis and isisinspired attacks in paris and brussels you see them carried out commonly by northern african origin this 31yearold man is from tunisia. France has long ties with tunisia. Theres a large frenchtunisian population and it must be noted nice in particular has been known as something of a jihadist hotbed. Theyre believed to have sent 100 young men to fight in iraq and syria for isis. France sending hundreds of young men to fight for isis in iraq and syria and women to be isis wives. France leading the way with belgium in terms of the number of people who have been sent to the middle east to fight for isis. Now, isis is feeling constrained. They are feeling theyre losing territory. The u. S. Said they lost 45 of their territory in iraq. 20 in syria so the thinking now is that isis is lashing out. We have seen a spokesman for isis before the holy month of ramadan calling on supporters to carry on attacks around the world. We saw a huge explosion in baghdad a couple weeks ago. The attack against the istanbul airport in turkey and a siege iu believed to have been inspired by isis. So in this case that is going to be the main question is this young man a follower of isis, is he a supporter of isis, did he have contact with isis in the middle east. Charlie. Rose on the night he did this with the large truck what were the accidents leading into that . By that i mean was he driving peacefully and all of a sudden sped up. What do eyewitnesses say about describing the moment. This was no random date the 14th of july we know it as bastille day. Its the biggest hall here in france. The promenade englais was packed and this man rented a refrigerator truck and started several blocks that way and started this rampage driving from what we understand witnesses say in a zigzag fashion mowing people down. One person called it like a bowling ball crushing everything in its path and he was able to drive more than a mile, 1. 2 miles all the way down there mowing people do before the police were able to shoot and kill him. Rose he rented a truck on july 11 in anticipation of bastille day we assume. Secondly he did at some point stop and fire on police. They then fired back and killed him i assume is what happened, yes . Thats right. About halfway down here on the promenade theres a Hotel Negresco and fired on what we understand are three Police Officers who then returned fire. We caught a glimpse of the truck which has just been removed from the promenade. The windshield was full of bullet holes because we assume all the way down Police Officers had been firing on the cab and the windshield of the truck eventually able to kill him. There had been initial reports he had a lot of weapons and explosives and once authorities got access they found one small caliber pistol and two fake ak47s. Its not he had a real arsenal between his truck and home. Rose i assume and you know many people in france french citizens must be asking why so many attacks against us. They are. This is the third biggest attack in france in the past year and a half starting with the Charlie Hebdo attacks last january and the isis attacks in november that left 130 people deed and now at least 84 people dead here. There are a number of reasons that this has become such a focal point for the attacks. Foremost hundreds of french fighters who have gone to fight in iraq and syria. We can only assume some have come back home when the ring leader of the paris attacks in november spoke to someone who then spoke with the police, he claimed to have come from iraq and syria with 90 different people. Then you have to look at the demographics of the country. This is a country that has a large Muslim Population but many of those muslims feel disin franchised and arent part of the french fabric of society so you have resentment and groups like isis and alqaeda are able to prey on that resentment. France is a proudly secular country and that goes against the grain of everything isis stands for. Weve seen the socalled burka ban banning women from banning the garment where you can only see their eyes. That also is going to anger groups like isis and alqaeda. Its become a prime target. Its in the center of europe. Europe a continent with very few borders. Theres an agreement that allows people to cross between countries would showing any identification like crossing between states in the united states. Its very easy and why weve seen a number of attacks both carried out by isis and inspired by isis over the past year and a half. Rose thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me on. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. This coming thursday donald trump will officially accept the nomination for the republican candidate of the united states. We have the cover story of Time Magazine and john joins me from nashville, tennessee. Its an interesting title, gut check. What would it mean for the presidency and continuing in the piece and i want you to answer each question. What does a president need to know to make America Great again, number one. How does a candidate prepare to take up the virtually unimaginable burdens of the office, how do you prepare. Number three, what kind of temperament is needed to lead the nation in the 21st century. Tell me what you learned from donald trump on those important questions . He is unabashedly and unapo l unapologetically unprepared candidate in modern times. You mentioned this thursday, that would then first time a major party has nominated someone without significant governmental or military experience since wendell wilke76 year ago so using the word unprecedented is always tricky. Trump is pretty close to be unprecedented on all accounts. Usually when you have a conversation like this about history, about preparation with someone whos about to be in the finals for the presidency you expect them to talk about how theyre briefing, how many experts theyre having in and how theyre learning the issues inside and out. No. Trump unabashedly believes he has good ideas but is fundamentally an intuitive players and he called nato obsolete back a few months ago and talking about the question of how much our allies were paying and i said well where did you get that . Had you thought through nato before you commented on it and he said offthecuff. Im an intuitive person. I dont read books about nato, you do, he said to me but i dont i just answer the question. What you have here is arguably the starkest choice, leave a sight the merits of each candidates views but Hillary Clinton is the most traditionally prepared candidate and donald trump is the least conventionally prepared candidate as i say in modern times. So if youre voting for trump youre voting for his gut and he doesnt mind thats the way the issues framed. Rose when he said i wanted to talk tactics he said i have a number of advantages over somebody else even a traditional candidate. Absolutely. He doesnt again he doesnt hide this at all. He believes his capacity to absorb coverage and dominate the conversation to be usually ahead in the polls though hes more even or down a little bit right now depending on the poll is how he lives. One thing that struck me in talking to him is hes so much of this exact moment. Whatever it is in the snowstorm of the Information Age hes so absorbed in whats happening right this second he takes almost no time to ask how the world came to be the way it is. I pressed him through the conversation and he said at one point not surprisingly he said im really, really very good at what i do. I go into a room and i get things other people cant whether its a dealer zoning issue or whatever it was. He said i can do what other people cant and i interrupted him and asked why is that . He said i dont know why did babe ruth hit more home runs than anyone in the american league. Babe ruth was once asked, this is trump talking, saying babe ruth was asked how he hits and he said he just does and asked about a female golf and she was asked what do you think when you swing the club and she said she just swings at it. Rose how can the nation discern what trump knows and what trump might do. That seems to me a fundamental question of this election in terms of deciding someone it may be theres a better experience than government. It may be his experience is uniquely capable but we want to know how that experience will translate and you cant simply believe not having not having known and being president is enough. I absolutely agree. Before i did the piece i looked back at what president s said about being press. Harry truman dictated a lot of notes in his retirement and he said you never really know what a man is going to be like when he comes to a position of great responsibility whether its running the country or running a farm. You just have to judge his views on present experiences, present events and if you judge trump by that its not reassuring. You need to know the difference between hezbollah and other locations. And in areas in his kvrd confidence that maybe he was right did he negotiate or simply high the highest dollar. Right. So you need case studies, right. You need to understand the deals. Hes selling himself as a deal maker. I said at one point what do you say to people who say youre a salesman who will just say anything to close the deal he said the country needs a salesman. Thats the great risk here and im not being ferociously partisan but from a clinical, historical view a vote for trump is a risky proposition because we simply dont know the answers to the questions i posed and that youre asking. Is it enough to be an intuitive person who can deal with information coming in and make a decision . Id argue no because if you dont have some base of policy literacy. If you dont know history and whats worked and what hasnt then you cant assess the validity of the advice and you cant subcontract the presidency even to the best advisors. Rose and every president has to sit and choose advisors one recommending yes and one recommending no. President obama is now covering on every question about syria people were on one side and people on the other side. Exactly. And continuing with the president s talking about whats its like being president. Ice Eisenhower Eisenhower talked about at the end of the day you have to make the decision alone. J. F. K. Wrote an introduction to a book before the assassination where he said theres this idea the presidencys a lonely job and he wrote no one has more clamorous council than a president but in the end the decision is entirely the president s. So if you dont have some basic foundation by which to assess what youre hearing then your handicapped in that job. Rose and intuition is part of an overall decisionmaking process. You cant simply base it on the past. You have to be able to absorb and you to have some sense of what an instinct is in terms of your own experience in terms of the experience of those advising you. And heres another interesting story historians come out against trump. Why are they doing that . What is it they see about him that has called on them to come together and say donald trump is not the right person to be president . I believe that and ive seen several of those, ken burns, David Mccullough and others and theyre views is given the president s theyve written about and studied and created brilliant documentaries about, trump lacks my interpretation is he lacks the fundamental knowledge and temperament to be president and to some extent the rhetoric of the trump candidacy which is that there are walls to be built, there are doors to be closed, there are tariffs to be imposed leads to a closed america when in fact history tells us weve always become stronger the wider weve opened our arms, the more weve enlarged the mainstream the more powerful weve become and if were trig to perfect our union the right way to do that is by expanding the definition of what it means to be an american not narrowing it. Rose then theres the question of Understanding America and its values. What is it that all the president s and the constitution and american belief is about . It is not about some of the things that he has said he has come out for, is it . Im thinking about the ban on muslims and the freedom of religion and all that. Thats right. My own view, again, is that we are stronger historically you look back the stronger the more engaged we are in the world and the more accepting we are of different peoples. Were one of the only nations on earth and certainly the most powerful nation on earth not objects of their love. The common objects of their love. The common object of americans when were at our best is were all created equal and there should be equality of opportunity if not equality of outcome. If you look at the 1920s and protectionism and you look at closing the door on immigrants that exacerbated the situation that led to the crisis of the 1930s and ultimately the cataclysm and victory of the 1940s. Theres a real pattern to beware repeating. Rose and you do get a sense that some people and these are Trump Supporters saying im willing to roll the dice. Im willing to try something new because im that dissatisfied with whats been going on not just this year but for a number of year republican and democrat in american politics. The populist argument in what weve been talking about is if credentialed expertise is so great why is the world the shape its in right now and trumps argument implicitly is if experience is so wonderful why does i just dismatch with senators and tap into this . The other thing quickly is temperament is a hugely important thing here and trump says to me, he says i think i have a great temperament well, of course he would but we have to watch the bullying. You have to worry about the vi vindictiveness and you have to worry about president s that throw out nicknames and have thin skin dont do as as well as president s who all president s have thin skin its part of the a ambient reality but how much you show that and the great question about trump and what is largely unknownable is how much of what he says does he really mean . As you know you talk to people who have known him for a long time and theyre scratching their heads to some extent at some of the statements. Thats the test. He is not the same in private conversation as he is but the temperament is different. Its different. Because its such a good piece i want to quote harry truman i dont think you go wrong quoting harry truman he said you can never tell whats going to happen to a man until he gets a place of responsibility. You cant tell in advance whether youre talking about a gentlemen in a military situation or the manager of a large firm, office or president. You have to pick the man you think is best on the basis of the past history and expressed views on situations. Its a job you do not appreciate and do not understand in full or have any sense of what its like. I mean, there was a quote from someone thats a friend of mine who said he had heard this from president obama that the president said i didnt realize how much killing a president has to do. Right. And they almost all talk about it. President bush 41 told his diary heres a man who had been congressman and cia director, chairman of party, ambassador to the u. N. And Vice President for eight year and after his first briefing after the election about his responsibilities in a Nuclear Exchange he talks about how the starkness of the job was finally sinking in. Hed been Vice President for eight years and suddenly he alone was being told about the amount of power he had and thats part of whats so important about the conversation i think and about character because i think the greeks had it right. Character is destiny. Ultimately we dont know whats going to happen. The person behind the desk, the person in the situation room is going to react based on that character to different situations and given the stakes its the most important decision we collectively make and again im not reflexively saying donald trump is not qualified to be president but viewed historically this is an enormous risk. And you have republicans taking that position whether its people who have been in positions of leadership for the republican party. No its not a minority position by any means. The other thing to maybe keep in mind also and to try to figure out in the coming months how well trump in his life learns on the job. The great example of this is the journey of john kennedy from the bay of pigs in april 1961 to the cuban missile crisis in october of 1962. One a disaster, one a great success. It was after the disaster in the spring of 1961 that kennedy quite bravely in many ways reached out to his predecessor and invited him up to camp david and the question posed was did you have everyone in the room to hear the pluses then minuses and kennedy admitted he had not. So cut to 1962 when missiles go to cuba kennedy convenes one of the worlds longest Committee Meeting 13 days so he always has those people in the room. Theres a line between kennedys willing to listen and learn and former senior president , eisenhower made that possible. He learned. One of the things i think we have to look carefully at trump about is what is his capacity to learn on the run. Rose theres also this, Donald Trumps favorite form of president is not David Eisenhower it is Ronald Reagan and thinks of himself he has a bit of reagan in him. He does. Make America Great again is a poster of reagan with that slogan. When he met with the great james baker recently he actually didnt ask baker about syria or proliferation he asked him what were ronald and nancy reagan really like which tells you something, right. So he sees himself as a citizen politician in the way president reagan was. Think the analogy is strange because he thought out being a hemophiliac liberal to be the icon of the conservative movement and spent the eight year of governor and governed from the center when you look at his record, had run for president three times and got it in 1980. So i think its stretching it a good bit but republicans now everybody it used to be everyone wanted to be truman and now everyone want to be reagan. Rose its a pleasure having you on the program. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Robert kennedy jr. Is here and is a journalist and cohosts radio show ring of fire and argues his cousin was in correctly spend timing in prison for a murder he did not commit. Im pleased to have Robert Kennedy jr. Back at the table. Welcome. Thank you, charlie. Rose so tell me your mother was a skakel. And one of the chapters in the book the early chapters is entitled kennedys and skakels because michael was really convicted because mark furman, disgraced l. A. Rose involved in the o. J. Simpson trial. Was able to brand him as a kennedy cousin. He never thought of himself as a kennedy cousin and i didnt meet him until eight year after the murder. I never even heard of the murder or knew any of the skakels. Rose none of your mothers relatives ever said i never met them. The skakels were carbon republicans and very wealthy as kennedys and had made their money in coal and oil. They were extremely conservative republicans and they were estrange from my family for that reason and strongly supported Richard Nixon in 1960 against my uncle and i have a story in the book my mother retained top shelf tickets for the inauguration for the family members. Rose president kennedys inauguration in 1960. George skakel was the patriarch of the family and had a group of inebriated hobos and gave the tickets to them so theyd be sitting at the front of the inauguration. They were funny people the skakel. They had a sense of humor but they didnt like democrats and they were against my father in 1964 and his senate run with Kenneth Keating and when he ran in 1968. My mother loved her family but she didnt have any contact with them and the skakels were friends of Ronald Reagan and they ran with the crowd that would have considered any kind of relationship with the Kennedy Family a social demotion. To brand Michael Skakel a cousin rose its a demotion. It was a contriving of mark furman but it stuck because it was to see seductive and there were reporters covering the story a mile wide and quarter inch deep. Rose what happened to Martha Moxley and what did you know about it at the time . I didnt know anything about it until eight year later. Rose never heard about the murder or trial . The first time i heard about it was when tommy skakel his eldest brother came to our house in 1983 and somebody said he was a suspect in the murder case and thats the first id ever heard of it and what i do in the book is michael himself was never a suspect uetil mark furman made him a suspect after the crime. Rose what happened to Martha Moxley. She was killed by two men in new york city who were brought to greenwich by a boy name toby bryant. A cousin bof the basketball sta kobe bryant and his elder brother played for the mavericks and was a classmate of Michael Skakel and in 1975 he moved back to he city and his mother was an oscarwinning producer. The first africanamerican woman to win oscar for a production and first africanamerican. She and when he went back to new york city and moved to a Public High School in new york and made friends with these two young men who were big guys. They were a year older than their classmates one was africanamerican the other was caucasian. They were both 63, capable of the crime. 42 he brought them to greenwich on several occasion as and one game obsessed with her and they planned the assault at a point and planned to go caveman on a girl in greenwich which according to tony knocked her over the headway club and dragged her to the bushes and sexually assaulted her. When they got to greenwich they smoked pot and hid in the bushes and picked up golf clubs from the skakel property including tony. They planned their assault, tony got nervous and said goodbye 20 minutes before the killing and he left and took a train back to the city. That was on friday. On monday those boys told him they committed the murder and accomplished the caveman and they had murdered martha. Another boy who is a friend of tonys from greenwich was a boy where an 11yearold boy. The two killers stayed at his house and cleaned the blood rose was the evidence presented . How do you know it was true . I wrote an article after michael was convicted that shocked everybody and i wrote an article for the Atlantic Monthly in 2003 an awardwinning article and on that show that laid out how michael couldnt have possibly committed the crime. He was 11 miles away with six eyewitnesses. Rose he was a friend of Martha Moxley. Yes. Rose were they lovers . No, he was a virgin and she so was she. They had a romance that had begun that night. Rose his brother was with her that night. His brother was the last one to see her alive before the murder. After i wrote my article somebody sent me a letter saying the jury got it wrong. I know who really killed her and i followed up. Rose a letter to you . That path led me to tony bryant. Rose not from someone you knew but just arrived . The kid who wrote it was a classmate of Michael Skakel as and tony bryants and knew martha very well and tony bryant had told him about the murder. He told me about who really killed them. He said the skakel didnt do this it was the work of my friends. I called tony bryant after the murder. His trends told him about it and he told his mother. His mother was a very prominent woman said you are a black kid, greenwich is a notoriously racist Police Department if you talk about this youll go to jail and keep your mouth shut and end your relationship with those two boys and he did those things. I said to him im john f. Kennedy jr. Im Michael Skakels cousin. I want to talk to you about the moxley murder and there was a long pause and he said ive been waiting for this phone call for 27 year and in the six phone calls that followed he laid out this detailed scenario rose and you believed it . I did believe it but its like reagan said, it hasnt been verified. So then i did an investigation. He didnt know the last names of these two kids and i was able to find those using a High School Year book. Charles Evans High School and tracked one to bridgeport, connecticut. The other to portland, oregon and called them and talked to them and told me yes, theyd been there on the murder night and they knew all the people and they described the inside of the house where they had stayed that night which was Jeffery Burns house and knew it with intricate detail. Rose so you knew all this and went to officials. And there were two hairs found on marthas body. One was africanamerican and no one had been able to explain the other was part caucasian and part either asian or americanindian and the other hair on her was described of asian characteristics. Nothing linked michaels to the crime. Rose his conviction was overturned on 2013 on what grounds . An incompetent lawyer. He had the worse lawyer and in fact he went to jail after michaels conviction because he had taken the money he was supposed to spend on defending michael and spent it on himself and went to jail for tax fraud. Rose prosecutors said skakel was convicted on admission of guilt three times. There were two confessions not three. One confession that was withdrawn by a woman who described herself as a parttime model and confessed she had made up the whole thing based on a National Inquirer articles and had never met michael and there was no physical evidence against michael. There was no blood, fingerprints or dna. Rose but the confession is part of what convicted him. What i show in the book is i show how he was framed at the location in greenwich and offering 100,000 rewards if they would testify against michael and i have the transcript. Its the first time in the book of those private secret meetings between the witnesses where the Police Officer is committing perjury. Rose and theres a person that claims the most likely killer was not your scenario but in fact Michael Skakels older brother. He said that in the last hearing before the court and i believe ive not talked to him about why he said that and what he said i dont agree with. Rose it changes the theory of the case. Its not really a theory. The evidence first of all the evidence against tommy skakel did not commit this crime and that was a key part of the trial where the prosecutor said it would have been impossible for tommy skal to have committed the crime. He also had an airtight alab and there was a connection with the other suspect Kenny Littleton that testified tommy was in the same clothes theyd eaten dinner in and not roughed up in the bit and he was a 17yearold boy and couldnt have washed his clothes, hidden the body and washed his clothe and appeared in the tv room and sat there calmly for an hour watching tv. Nobody believes this. Rose why is he saying this . I think for tactical reasons. Rose he want people to think its somebody other than michael because Michael Skakel new knew her. He was a suspect but Michael Skakel was never a suspect. Kenny littleton was the tutor. Tommy skakel was the suspect because he was the last person to see her alive but theres no evidence he did this. Rose whats happened to Michael Skakel . Michael was released two and a half years ago. Hes living in bedford, new york with an elderly aunt who he cares for. He wears a gps bracelet. The state has appealed his release. Its now about a sixjudge panel in the Supreme Court of the state of connecticut. If the Court Reversed the Lower Court Decision hell go back to jail and serve his 25 to years sentence and if the Court Upholds it theyll have to decide to reprosecute skakel or the people who did the crime. Rose when will they make that decision . They wont make it until after the Supreme Court makes its determination of whether or not the lower court was correct. Rose great it see you. Robert kennedy jr. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. For more about the program and early episodes visit online at pps. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. This is nightly business e. Report with Tyler Mathson an coup in turkey. Late reports today tha m aga th civilian government. 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