The world who came and spoke in the service i dont think we cared, it was four hours. It was great words and music contribute to this great theme. He is probably in florence for a century. Today its a privilege to have as a guest that we had as a guest years ago the presiding pastor at the church with the fellowship of people where doctor Howard Thurman was cofounder. Great to have you. Its great to be on your program. Reverend doctor dorothy play. You have done so many things. What you doing now . I am serving as a visiting associate professor of pastoral leadership and social change at the school of religion, my alma mater. I started the semester teaching one class each semester. Will teach more. I will also be advising students. This comes after nine years basically at stark king. When i looked you up, i thought he resign. And now one of the courses they have again, the first course is spirituality and nonviolent social transformation. Gandhi, king and the day. You see the influence of gandhi will both of them. They relate to each other like Dorothy Bates on gandhi but she was also one of the marches was present. When she was arrested and chavez and king. The pope mentioned dorothy day and doctor king and thomas martin. And abraham lincoln. The hope is that eventually dorothy day will also be sainted. Agai film on during the day that said dont call me a saint. She didnt see herself that way. She saw herself as a person that was doing something important with her time. She started as a social worker. She does not claim she started the catholic workers to the influence of a french canadian who is the driving force behind her who saw within the Catholic Church tolerance. Made people in the church saw different ways but he was saying there is social issues and social justice. He inspired her to write. You had the First World War and the depression and she was live in the second world war. She spoke eloquently and positively. You have a history of social transformation as part of your ministry and social justice which will talk about in the next segment. We also want to talk about how doctor thurman had an influence on that. He is sometimes seen as an interesting character to us that he is fluent with his rights. One of the reasons people thing people respond to him is that he deals with just so justice issues. Christian messages years ago, they dont recommend it the same way as doctor thurman. Doctor thurman addresses current communication. That is why he was an inspiration to Martin Luther king and others that said he was not a mystic guy and walked away from the action of it. You see them flash on the screen. Join us in the next segment with doctor Dorothy Blake and Howard Thurmans influence on so many. Welcome back to mosaic. Weve been talking about Howard Thurman. And also the jesus heritage. Martin luther king juniors favorite book. Tell us about jesus disinherited. He worked on the ideas in jesus disinherited many years before the book was published in 1949. Doctor thurman and mrs. Thurman and two other people were part of a delegation in the student christian room in salon. One of the questions i confronted them is why are you a christian because with questions, we enslave your ancestors. It was maingate a strong statements saying you are a betrayer by being a christian. So it sent thurman on two different trusts. One was in the church for the fellowship of all people. And the other, enjoy it is inheritance. His response to that question in many ways, but does uncle thurman how to help people with their backs against the wall. And what he did to deal with that idea was the fact he placed jesus in his contextual setting which meant jesus was for. Jesus was a ju. And he lived in the domination of the empire. His question was how can you live with integrity and dignity and selfrespect in such an environment. He used to jesus and his life as a way of helping us understand how we can live in our present situation. So we talked about his accountant held in the theater people have. The fear is based upon personal experience of violence or the knowledge of islands where the fear of what might happen. And what that does to people and preventing them from becoming better people. He talks about love and deception and hatred. All of these things come out from him from situations where there is contact and no fellowship. You may recall in the south, there was a close relationship between the blacks and the whites in the south but did it really have those warm tones. You can have people come together across racial lines in it could be a disaster. People need to linger with each other and hear and be willing to be vulnerable and in order for it to work. The theory is prevalent. You talk about perception, people saw it as religious divide. You dont tell people what is really feeling more going on in their life. You have to protect yourself. It talks about that with people Wearing Masks to mask of their feelings because that is one way of controlling the situation. What doctor thurman says is unless you begin to deceive and deceive you become a deception yourself. And no longer able to understand right wrong. Why is it so difficult to talk about racism. When we talk about the black lives matter it serving people i think one of the problems in terms of our discussion is that people are afraid. It takes vulnerability to move forward. People have to be willing to be honest and had their feelings hurt and to be misunderstood and yet still try to Work Together for the common good where the Common Ground. Sometimes the defensiveness and the guilt seems to come out and that doesnt allow vulnerability and openness. Right. How do we get to that . With the white community, we have to be vulnerable also and willing to hear what the oppressed have to say and we also need to move beyond their guilt and by establishing those relationships where there is more feeling. They can look beyond their guilt by using their White Privilege and power because they will have access to things that we will never have access to. You may recall that when malcolm x was speaking he said there was a white woman who came up to him after and say what can i do and he said good cheer community. And you have more access to banks and Financial Institutions than by people will so use your privilege on behalf of the oppressed. Use it on the behalf of those who cant. What is huge in our community is forgiveness. How would you connect that . Jesus talked about forgiving. On a personal level to forgive can be very cathartic and liberating. When you dont forget, let me put it that way, the other person is controlling your. Because you are reacting to that person. At some point you will realize as long as that is happening and you are not wasting your true self. The person is genuinely responding. Moving out of that kind of control of the other and putting yourself in control of your own life. Lets come back to that along with thurman and his emphasis on today and how thurmond it matters today. Please join us. Imraan siddiqi or. Imap ron swisher. , listen to this quote from doctor Howard Thurman. Jesus rejected because he saw it meant death to the mind. Death to the spirit. And death with his father. He affirmed to life and hatred with the great denial. When you are so built on hate. It may not even achieve a certain goal but in encourages unity and Common Ground in terms of what a nation should be for even in terms of personal relationships. Human spirit is a great denial of what is inherent creativity. So with the crisis we face in what we are going through in the society why would doctor thurman matter . There are the books we have. There are several things. We talked about disinherited. Because of how to live as a discipline person in an oppressive situation. As you were talking about dont hate, do deceive, dont be afraid. At the last chapter he talked about the great love chapter. It was necessary for some of us. To understand the love. Hes taking the other person out of the category and to gandhi taking the untouchables and making them part of his group. When you do that and you are in control of your own environment even among ourselves, how do you deal with people who betray you in your own group and how you forget. Jesus disinherited is one way he responded. Another way he responded was he established a church for the fellowship of all people which was established every civil rights statements against desegregation at the time. Tell us what is unique about the church. It was started in 1944. At that time all churches were segregated. That does not mean that some did not have a few minority people in the congregation. Were talking segregated in terms of leadership and social church was the first church where leadership black and white like pastorates in the boards in the congregations, established doctor thurman and mrs. Thurman went to india when they were questioned. At the end of the journey they saw these merchants from different places coming to the tiber pass and they had a vision of why can we were she cannot be a religious fellowship. People from different backgrounds come together and subvert those traditions that keep us apart. When there was a group in oakland excuse me, several cisco. San francisco. And other people and he joined with them in creating this church. This is a civil rights church. She told me she worked for the golden gate Insurance Company which was black at that time. In pirate rustin a poster with the idea of the new church as being an expression of people breaking down racial barriers. The church was more segregated. Not just race, religion. You can find a buddhist there. Weve had buddhists and juice and agnostics. Weve had aps. Weve had different backgrounds. It brought people together. They are diverse. The idea was if these people from different backgrounds come together and have profound religious experiences over the time duration, you can just come into the church wanted twice. You have to commit yourself to being there. You said they want to make themselves in this profound religious fellowship, emerge with the kind of Common Ground in the kind of separateness that would subvert the tensions and barriers and directives against each other. Field think idea was and it has happened. We dont although i think you are getting people of color and other posts were together more often, how profound are they coming together and udc their coming together and their work as an alternative to the american society. The Church Becomes an experiment in terms of whether the people can come together. Where is it located . 2041 market delhi park. San francisco. Tween broadway. Were 71 years old. Were having our 20th annual convocation and honoring does newport. He does extraordinary things with Community Organizing and nationally. Does he still live here . He does. He will be there sunday. He also works with Childrens Defense Fund and this involved around that. He is on the mouse counsel project. With belafonte. He is quite remarkable. Hes amazing. He has so much energy. You will be 85. Belafonte who is all of these people, i did not know about belfonte. He called and he was on fire and said he is amazing. Will come back to more of this great information you are sharing with us and your complication. Please join us in the next segment. Welcome back. We have reverend doctor dorsey blake. This is from Howard Thurman, their two questions we have to ask ourselves. The first is where am i going in the second is will go with me. If you ever get these questions in the wrong order you are in trouble. In one of the books was the head and the heart. That is his autobiography. First of all i love the part you just read. I think it is an essential question. And we as a black community can answer that question. We can even ask it seriously. I personally think when you see it coming together as some of us are likeminded to talk about it. Once we talk about it then we can figure out where to go. s problem does it is a problem were facing as a nation. The last time on a National Level we decided was Martin Luther king when he talked about his dream for the world ending poverty and annual salaries. We havent since then. One of the reasons we react a lot to problems that come up they rather during then move forward. Not just the emotional side that he thought they had in the mind and the spirit. That is what he thought. You cant do a complete human being if you disconnect emphasize one part. You have to get religion has to make sense. It a host it has to be felt and when you talk about hearts, we talk about the whole heart and thats important. We love god. In your mind and heart and soul. When jesus said being as is wise as a serpent. Which doctor king did with being tough. Be strong and decisive but the compassionate and loving. Howard thurman was great at that. The impact that doctor thurman and doctor king pretty much is known. I remember the problem that was when you took the ashes to your house and go ride scott king with their and i was impressed with that. I said, this is king, i am surprised with your schedule that you would make time to come. She said of course i had to come. I just had to be here. It was wonderful to have that experience coming from her. He was a chaplain in the first black chaplain in predominantly white area. Howard was there from 1932 to 1944 and he left it to come through san francisco. A lot of people dont know, ms. Thurman what doctor king and the thurman went to boston and mrs. Thurman raised the question with king about coming out here and the the minister at the church. And she said that is when she learned he had already committed himself to montgomery. Isnt that something. Anyone who got him out here with Howard Thurman. This is the great. Dorsey blake, so glad to have you. Always a pleasure. Thank you for this marvelous program. In your dedication to it. For 14 years. Thank you. Best in your teaching. I appreciate that. Im glad you joined us. We have been with reverend doctor blake and we talked about howard doer men Howard Thurman and his influence. Read his book and look them up. Hes great. Thank you. Why let someone else have all ththfun . The sosotimemehaphphard,d, never boring fun. The why cant it smell like this all the time fun. The learning the virtue of sharing this all fun. Time fun. Why let someone else have all the fun . Thats no fun. Unleash the power of dough. Give it a pop. Going to make you laugh. 3 comedians a politici it is frank mallicoat. Good to have you on board. Were gonna make you laugh, three comedians in a politician. Our first guess is it familiar face in san francisco. He spent time lampooning every politician on the planet. He is an author and a columnist. A political pundit himself. Welcome back to the show, walters. Im at good mister durst. What is this level of politics . Hasnt always been around pack my dad ran three new pays for ran three newspapers. I grew up with it
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