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He was shot by officer shelby, who goes on trial next month for manslaughter. She faces four years to life in prison. The shooting was caught on videotape and inflamed the debate about race and policing thats been roiling the nation since ferguson. Its very likely you have seen video of Similar Police shootings before, but its very rare to hear from the officer who pulled the trigger before a jury does. Tonight, betty shelby tells us why she shot and killed an unarmed black man, and why she says almost any Police Officer in her situation would have done the same. You remember pulling the trigger . Betty shelby i do. Its like slow motion of me bringing my gun up, my finger coming in and then letting off. And he stopped and then he just slowly fell to the ground. Whitaker the shooting took place at dusk on this twolane road in north tulsa, in a predominantly African American area. Police cameras captured the climax of the encounter between 42yearold Police Officer betty shelby and 40yearold Terence Crutcher. Thats crutcher in the white shirt, walking with his hands up. Shelby, a tenyear veteran of law enforcement, is right behind him with her gun drawn. Just two minutes after they came face to face on the road, shelby fired her gun. Its hard to see the actual shot on videotape but, from the chopper, you can see crutcher fall to the ground from the shot to his side. Betty shelby Shots Fired Police dispatch adam 331, we have shots fired. We have one suspect down. Whitaker so tell me what im not seeing in the video. Up until the time of the shooting, it does appear that hes got his hands in the air . Betty shelby he does have his hands in the air. Whitaker but shelby says the video doesnt tell the whole story. It all started ten minutes earlier. She was on her way to a Domestic Violence call when she says she saw a man she later would learn was Terence Crutcher standing in the road. She noticed his size about six feet, 240 pounds and his demeanor. Betty shelby his hands are just dropped beside him. His chin is resting on his chest, and hes standing there motionless, and i thought, hmmm, i wonder if hes on p. C. P. Whitaker why did that cross your mind first . Betty shelby because it was an odd behavior. Zombielike, i. I. Its the best i can. Whitaker zombielike . Betty shelby zombielike. Whitaker did you consider him a threat at that time . Betty shelby no, not at that time. Whitaker so shelby drove past him and continued on to her call. About 500 feet beyond where she first saw crutcher, she came upon an abandoned s. U. V. Here in the middle of the road. She didnt activate her dashboard camera because she thought this was just a broken down vehicle. But when she got out of her patrol car, she noticed the motor of the s. U. V. Was running. Betty shelby i work in a highcrime area where every day we get calls of shots fired. I dont think this is just an abandoned vehicle, so i walk on up to the drivers side. I glance in, i dont see anyone, and i notice the windows are down. Whitaker did you see any weapons . Betty shelby i wasnt looking for any. I was glancing to see if there was someone hurt. Whitaker then she says she noticed the man she had seen just moments before walking toward her and the abandoned vehicle. Betty shelby and i say, hey, man, is this your vehicle . And he mumbles something, and i cant understand him. And he starts putting his hands in his pockets. I say, hey, man, take your hands out of your pockets. Im trying to find out, is this your vehicle . And when i tell him to take his hands out of his pockets, he just immediately puts them in the air. Whitaker so whats going through your mind . Betty shelby well, whats going through my mind is what ive experienced before. Ive encountered people putting their hands in their pockets, and i find a loaded gun in their pocket. Whitaker none of the early encounter was recorded on video, but shelby says her training taught her that people on p. C. P. Could turn violent. And she says crutcher kept reaching into his pocket. Betty shelby thats when i get on the radio and say, ive got a subject thats not showing me his hands. And it was at that point that i drew my weapon in a ready position. It would just be a motion like this if you need to. Whitaker was he being belligerent . Betty shelby no. Whitaker was he showing any aggression . Betty shelby no. Whitaker is it possible that you saw him as more dangerous because he was a large black man . Betty shelby no. What i based everything on was his actions, his behaviors. Race had nothing to do with my decision making. Whitaker shelby says crutcher kept ignoring her commands, kept walking toward the s. U. V. Even though she had drawn her gun and had ordered him to get on his knees. Betty shelby and hes not doing it. Im hollering at him, stop, stop now, and he has now put his hands back up in the air. And hes looking at his vehicle, back at me. Whitaker and youre thinking . Betty shelby im thinking, hes calculating how he can get to his vehicle to get whatever weapon it is that hes going to get because he didnt find it in his pocket. Officer Tyler Turnbough i was literally a quartermile away, so i got in the car and drove to the scene quickly. Whitaker officer Tyler Turnbough responded to officer shelbys radio call. His siren was on so his dashboard camera was running. The ground level video of the shooting was recorded from his car. So whatd you see when you got there . Turnbough the first thing i saw when i got there was mr. Crutcher walking away with his hands up, betty has him at gunpoint. And i got out of the car, and i can hear her giving him commands. Stop, get on the ground, dont go back to your car. All right, betty jo, where you at . Whitaker at the same time, a Police Helicopter swooped in with two officers on board a pilot and a spotter who that day happened to be officer betty shelbys husband. Hes got his hands up there for her now. Whitaker david shelby says he could see his wife had a weapon drawn. The pilot saw something else. Pilot that looks like a bad dude, too. Whitaker did you think he looked like a bad dude . David shelby what i saw was an individual that was being noncompliant and apparently and obviously refusing to obey the commands of the officer. Whitaker as officer turnbough ran to assist, he saw that betty shelby had drawn her gun. So he grabbed his taser. Turnbough if the roles had been reversed and she had her taser out, then i wouldve had my gun out. Whitaker did you assess the situation as being dangerous . Turnbough yes. It made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I dont know what this guys doing. Why is he. Why is he walking away from her . What are his intentions . Why doesnt he just stop . Whitaker so we see his arms are up, and youre behind him . Betty shelby yes. Whitaker we asked betty shelby to look at the video and show us what she saw before the fatal shot. Betty shelby im feeling that his intent is to do me harm, and i keep thinking, dont do this, please dont do this, dont make this happen. And then, right there, hes looking back at me. Thats what we call targeting. So hes getting my position, my last known location to retrieve and then shoot. Whitaker you think hes sizing up the situation to see where you are, how close . If he were to grab a weapon, he would know exactly where to turn to shoot thats what youre thinking . Betty shelby that. Yes. Whitaker its unclear what happened in the final moments of crutchers life. Officers shelby and turnbough were in front of the dashboard camera, and the helicopter was too far away. But betty shelby says whats hard to see on the videotape is what she saw. She says crutcher dropped his arms and reached into the car. Betty shelby his shoulders drop, his arm drops, and hes reaching in. And its fast. Just that would tell any officer that that mans going for a weapon. Whitaker you see this on the video . Betty shelby yes. Whitaker thats what you say is mr. Crutcher reaching into the car . Betty shelby yes. I say with a louder, more intense voice, stop. Stop stop and he didnt, and thats when i took aim. Shots fired Tiffany Crutcher i dont know what officer shelby was thinking when she pulled that trigger. Whitaker Tiffany Crutcher is Terence Crutchers twin sister. She says the tape shows her brother was not being aggressive, not being threatening. There is a frame that seems to show that his hands were lowered, and thats what she says alarmed her and made her fear for her life. Crutcher of course, shes saying everything that shes supposed to say to defend herself. What we saw on that video is what my dad always taught us to do if we were pulled over by a Police Officer put your hands in the air and put your hands on the car. And my brother did what my father taught us. Whitaker was this a case of hands up, dont shoot . Crutcher absolutely. It absolutely was. Whitaker but officer shelby says it was a case of a non compliant subject who she perceived was threatening her life. Thats why she says she pulled the trigger. Officer turnbough says he saw the same threat and fired his taser at the same moment. It was the first time betty shelby had discharged her gun in the line of duty. If things had worked out differently, he would go before a judge, have his day in court. Betty shelby yes. Whitaker but as it turns out, youre judge, jury and executioner on the spot. Betty shelby no. I saw a threat, and i used the force i felt necessary to stop a threat. Whitaker do you think, i could shoot him in the leg, i could shoot him in the foot . Is there nothing else you couldve done . Betty shelby no. And im not trained to shoot someone in the foot. We dont train to be cowboys and to be like what they show on the movies. Whitaker Terence Crutcher lay bleeding in the street for about two minutes before officers moved in to check him for weapons and administer first aid. He was pronounced dead at the hospital. A vial of p. C. P. Was found in the drivers side door pocket, but police found no weapons on his body or in his car. Do you have any regrets about this . Betty shelby i have sorrow that this happened, that this man lost his life. But he caused the situation to occur, so, in the end, he caused his own. Whitaker he caused his death . Betty shelby yes. Whitaker officer shelby says that your brothers actions caused his own death. What do you say to that . Crutcher my brothers dead because she didnt pause. And because she didnt pause, my family, weve had to pause. Weve had to stop. Weve had to lay down every single night with tears in our eyes. There was absolutely no justification whatsoever, with all the backup, for officer shelby to pull that trigger. No justification whatsoever. Betty shelby if i wait to find out if he had a gun or not, i could very well be dead. Theres something that we always say id rather be tried by 12 than carried by six. Whitaker but as it turned out, he did not have a gun. Betty shelby no, he did not. Whitaker and because of your action, a man is dead. Betty shelby yes. Whitaker how do you come to terms with that . Betty shelby its very difficult. Whitaker still . Betty shelby yes. I never wanted to be in that spot. His actions dictated my actions. Whitaker you can take your time. Betty shelby i never wanted to kill anyone. Whitaker betty shelby says she acted out of fear for her life, but many in tulsas black Community Say her fears were unfounded and influenced by race. 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Tresiba® ready whitaker after tulsa Police Officer betty shelby shot and killed Terence Crutcher on a twolane road last september, video of the incident ricocheted around the country. Its unsettling and, at the moment the shot is fired, its unclear. Where some may see a threatening and noncompliant subject, others may see a nonaggressive man shot with his hands up. How 12 jurors see it when the trial begins in may will determine betty shelbys fate. Black tulsans tell us theyll be watching. Its a tale they say they have seen too many times before. There are people in black communities all across the United States who think that white officers overreact when it comes to dealing with black men in general, and they view this through that lens. What do you say to those folks . Betty shelby my incident is not a racist incident. I am not racist. Race had no factor in what happened. Ray owens race had everything to do with her pulling the trigger that day. Whitaker ray owens has been pastor of metropolitan baptist church, tulsas largest predominantly black congregation, for 11 years. Pastor owens saw police bias in the video and heard it in the words of the pilot. Pilot that looks like a bad dude, too. Owens i think the statement represents the same bias against African American males that caused betty shelby to pull the trigger. Whitaker what do you mean . Owens betty shelby very likely viewed Terence Crutcher as a bad dude. She a racist . Does she, you know, have some ill will toward black people . I doubt it. But if she is like so many people in our nation, she assumes too quickly that a black male, especially out on the streets at night, is a threat and not a citizen; is a suspect and not a decent human being. Whitaker you dont think a white citizen of tulsa would have been treated the same way . Owens i dont think that young white male would be dead today. Whitaker these are the final moments of Terence Crutchers life. You can see him here, walking. His hands are up. Officer shelby says she thought he was walking back to his car to retrieve a gun. When he got to the drivers side window, she says he reached in, and she fired. It turned out crutcher did not have a weapon. Tiffany crutcher nobody went to check on him. He laid there. They let him lay there like an animal. Whitaker Terence Crutchers twin sister, tiffany, says her brothers death fits a tragic narrative of Police Shooting unarmed black men. Crutcher i saw trayvon martin, i saw mike brown, i saw philando castile. You know, i saw tamir rice. But never in a thousand years would my family, would we have thought that we would be on their side of it. And my brother now, according to social media, is another hashtag. Whitaker who was he . Crutcher he would be deemed in our household the gentle giant. Terence was laid back, calm, cool. Gospel music was his love. singing singing whitaker his family says terence was a devoted father of four young children, but they admit he struggled with drug use. He spent four years in prison for selling five grams of crack cocaine. Officer shelby didnt know any of this when she encountered him on that road, but she says she did suspect he was on drugs. His autopsy showed he had p. C. P. In his system. Crutcher maybe he needed some help. Yes, he needed some help. But he ended up with a fatal gunshot wound to the chest. Ive had people tweet and say, your brother deserved to die. Your brother, you know, is a thug. Your brother shouldve complied, or he would still be alive. You know, why didnt he do what the officer asked him to do . Whitaker what do you say to that question that he shouldve complied . Crutcher you know, why did she want him to comply . Im. I. Im still curious. What crime was he committing . Why were you on the scene . Whitaker she noticed a car in the middle of the road. Crutcher so she wasnt called to the scene because terence was committing a crime; she just noticed a car in the middle of the road, and the outcome was my brother was murdered. Wow. Whitaker tulsa leaders feared many citizens would have the same reaction. Dewey bartlett was mayor at the time. He remembers the call he got from police chief chuck jordan. Bartlett he said that there was a shooting, and it couldve been one of those situations where they had their hands in the air. Whitaker this is the police chief talking to you shortly after getting to the scene . Bartlett yes. At that point, i went, oh boy, this is not good. Whitaker were you concerned that this might trigger civil unrest . Bartlett oh sure, sure, because wed seen it before several times when this type of. Of event happens, when its captured on video. Whitaker four days after the crutcher shooting. Hes not going to do anything to you guys. Whitaker . Police in charlotte shot a black man. That city erupted, igniting fears in tulsa that this same thing could happen. So the mayor and police chief called pastor owens and other religious and Community Leaders together to show them the video and to help brace the city for the storm they feared was coming. What was the mood in the room . What was the reaction to the video . Bartlett when it showed the gentleman shot and falling down, there was an audible gasp. Whitaker a gasp. Bartlett absolutely. It was very difficult to watch. Owens the gasp actually filled the room. We couldnt believe it. Whitaker was your reaction the general reaction of the people in the room . Owens oh, very much so. We were all really angry. Whitaker the video added to already tense relations between tulsa police and the black community. Hands up dont shoot owens theres a strong current of an us or them mentality. Whitaker really . Owens i do hear that, especially from young men, African American men, who will still tell me, im afraid when a Police Officer comes up behind me or drives behind me. Thats a problem. Whitaker a longstanding problem in tulsa. In 1921, this city saw the worst racial violence in american history. It started when an armed white mob gathered to lynch a black man accused of assaulting a white woman. As many as 300 black tulsans were killed and an estimated 10,000 left homeless. Time has not healed all wounds. The mayor told us he thought the best response to the crutcher shooting was complete transparency. The police chief rushed to release the video to the public. He also released betty shelbys name. Jordan i want to assure our community, and i want to assure all of you and people across the nation who are going to be looking at this, we will achieve justice. Period. Whitaker and they asked black pastors to appeal for peace. Rodney goss i think i reserve the right to be angry and upset at being a black man in an untimely time as this. Whitaker more than 1,000 people of all races came to a vigil at metropolitan baptist church. Owens it was our attempt to give people a voice, a place to say, im mad, im hurting, im tired of this, no more. And that was the same sentiment that i think was in the minds and hearts of the people who were breaking glass windows in charlotte. They were saying, im mad. Whitaker in tulsa, there were no broken windows, no violence at all. Six days after the shooting, District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed charges against betty shelby. He accused her of overreacting when she shot Terence Crutcher. The charges were filed before the Police Investigation of the shooting was complete. Ive never been so scared. Whitaker the lead detective told us he would have found shelbys actions justified. Shelby was placed on unpaid leave. When her name was made public, she says she felt as if the whole town had turned on her. And were telling them to fire betty fire betty fire Betty Whitaker officer shelby believes she was sacrificed to keep the peace in tulsa. Betty shelby my situation was no different than i dont know whether i should say this than a lynch mob coming after me. And i had those very threats. So much that. Whitaker youve been threatened . Betty shelby yes. Whitaker Death Threats . Betty shelby yes. I had to leave my home. I had to grab up my family and leave, and go to a safe place. Whitaker betty shelby told us she became a Police Officer to help people, and she wants to get back to the job she loves. You going to go after some bad guys . Whitaker while she awaits trial, she finds comfort playing with her grandson. She faces four years to life for the killing of Terence Crutcher. Betty shelbys husband, officer david shelby, recorded the video from the air. Shots fired whitaker however you perceive this video, its an american tragedy. David shelby to some extent, i think, well, there were two victims that day. I think Terence Crutcher and betty shelby. Whitaker and bettys a victim of what . David shelby the social and Political Climate in our country right now. Its almost like there is a war on police, and i think that thats whats happened to betty. Crutcher we need our men and women in blue. But at the end of the day, theyre not warriors. Theyre supposed to be our guardians. Whitaker she believes there was a rush to judgment . Crutcher the video showed everything. It doesnt have a political affiliation. Its not red, its not blue. Its not black, its not white. It is what it is. And what we saw was my brother with his hands up, and he was tased and shot simultaneously. Whitaker officer shelby was charged with manslaughter. Are you satisfied with those charges . Crutcher i am. I dont believe she woke up that morning and said, im going to go and kill Terence Crutcher. I believe that she choked, and she pulled the trigger, and she killed him. Whitaker overreacted . Crutcher absolutely. Whitaker was Terence Crutchers an avoidable death . Betty shelby yes. Whitaker did this have to play out the way it did . Betty shelby no. Bill whitaker what wouldve changed things . Betty shelby if he wouldve complied, if he would have communicated with me, if he wouldve just done as i asked him to do, we would not be here. You and i would never have met, and no one would ever know my name. Sift through additional evidence in this case. 911 police, fire, medical. Including 911 calls at 60minutesovertime. Com, sponsored by lyrica. Gia, i was a doer. I was active. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. She also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. 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And the firm that bears his name would not be occupying two floors and 16,000 square feet of some of the most Expensive Office space in new york which is furnished with Museum Quality artwork all from marinos private collection paintings and sculpture, modern art and antiquities, all juxtaposed in perfect harmony. This is quite a room. Marino yeah. laughs kroft quite a reception area. What is this piece . Marino this is 2003, anselm kiefer. Kroft and this . Marino this is gandharan. Third century, a. D. Kroft gandharan . Marino yeah. Its from gandhara, and its the region just on the silk road where the Chinese Culture and the Indian Culture just met with the greek culture. Kroft art is at the center of marinos universe, and his knowledge of it is encyclopedic. He not only collects it, he curates it and commissions it for his projects. It covers nearly every inch of wall space and is here, he says, not to impress his clients but to inspire the staff of 150 designers and architects with whom he turns out between 50 and 100 projects a year. Marino designwise, i look at everything. If i dont personally design it, ill review it. Im kind of creative director of the firm. Kroft youre a bit of a control freak. Marino youd have to ask the staff for that. laughs kroft bordering on the tyrannical. Marino youd have to confirm that with the staff. laughs kroft do you see yourself as a tyrannical boss . Marino no. I only care about the work. And im not tyrannical personally in any way, shape or form, but i am absolutely passionate about the quality of the work. Kroft and so are the clients that can afford him, who mostly come from the worlds wealthiest 0. 001 , encompassing the glitterati and the emirati. Marino this is a residential project were building on the top of los angeles. Its a large site assembled from over seven homes. And this is in construction. Kroft and what is this structure . Marino this is for the subterranean parking. Kroft and this is a private home . Marino this is a private home. Its. Kroft and you can you tell us anything about the owner . Marino no. laughs kroft its marinos default answer. He wont comment about his clients, which have reportedly included the likes of multi billionaires david geffen and david koch as well as gisele buuundchen and tom brady. This home in milan, were told, was done for giorgio armani. Marino i like my clients. All of my clients say, peter, youre talented, but your best virtue is your discretion. They really dont want to be talked about. Kroft this hamptons beach house was designed for a young Hedge Fund Manager and his wife, and this ski chalet in lebanon with ocean views for a swiss banker. But for every private client marino wont speak about, somewhere in the world he is unveiling a project that is the talk of the town. Wow kroft like boontheshop, a multibrand luxury Shopping Center that takes up two downtown blocks in seoul, south korea. No expense was spared. Marino its all white greek marble. These are trapezoids, like they fell to space. Its an interesting building because the entire inside is rough concrete. Kroft he says it was built for the family that controls samsung. I mean, its fair to say you work with some of the richest people in the world, right . Marino yes. Kroft do they need to be treated a different way . Marino if they need to be treated a different way, no ones told me. laughs i. I remember. laughs . When i was meeting certain royal families, if i had to behave a certain way. Like, you better tell me what im supposed to say and do. laughs they went, the way you look, it doesnt really matter. Just be yourself. And i went, okay, okay. Kroft those partnerships can produce some unusual optics. We watched this meeting with sidney toledano, the c. E. O. Of christian dior, who is one of marinos biggest clients and biggest fans. They have collaborated on dozens of dior boutiques all over the world. Toledano is used to working with big egos and Difficult People but says marino is not one of them. Toledano i never had the impression that he was complicated because he always finds the solution, and hes very professional. Kroft how important is he to your business . Or how important has he been to your business . Toledano he has been key. Dont tell him. laughs kroft he understands dior. Toledano he understands dior. Kroft toledano sees marinos look as an artistic presentation of his personality. He doesnt even mind the fact that marino also works for most of his competitors. Marino this is a new building well be building for chanel. Kroft so youve got chanel up here. Youve got. Marino louis vuitton. Kroft . Louis vuitton. Who else . Marino dior, hublot, zegna. We do zegna worldwide. We do bulgari. Were opening a new one in london in december. Fendi, if you just saw the fendi on 57th and madison. Kroft for decades, marino has been the architect of choice for nearly all of the top fashion designers and Luxury Brands and is widely credited with reimagining the use of retail space, moving away from boxy Department Stores and into elegant boutiques. His work lines the most conspicuous avenues and boulevards of the world. Its a third of his business. Every store is unique, and each one distills the essence and the look of the company it was built for a sense of travel and luxury for louis vuitton, the timeless classic look for chanel. How did you get them to all come to you . Marino its the old question, oh, why do they all go to you . Steve, would you go to a knee doctor who had done two knee operations if you need an operation or one who had done 300 successfully . Who would you go to . Thats why they come to me. Kroft marinos work ethic and personality are rooted in queens, the new york neighborhood where he was born 67 years ago, the only son in a middleclass italian family. In high school, he excelled in art and graduated from Cornell University in 1971 with a degree in architecture. He learned the trade from the very best, serving apprenticeships with i. M. Pei; and skidmore, owings merrill. But he picked up the ways of the wealthy and the value of celebrity from another master, artist andy warhol, who always considered business one of the finer forms of art. He certainly knew how to get attention. Marino the blonde wig. Dude, that was so good. The. The. laughs the blonde wig, thats pretty hard to beat. Kroft marino did some early work for warhol and hung out at his new york studio called the factory, which was a magnet for music and movie stars, socialites and royalty. Bob colacello was the editor of warhols interview magazine when marino first walked through the door. What was he like . Colacello he had little bow ties, and he was very properly dressed, you know. And he was funny. He was talented. You could see that right away. Kroft colacello, now a contributing editor at vanity fair magazine, and isabel rattazzi, a former model and longtime friend of marino, think he has changed very little from those ironic factory days of Campbell Soup cans and pop art parodies of fame. Colacello peter fed right into that. I mean, we were all on the same sort of wavelength, you know. Kroft tongueincheek. Colacello tongueincheek. A lot of what we were doing was very tongueincheek. Peter, i think, is still very tongueincheek. Rattazzi totally. Hes enjoying it. Its a way to have fun at other peoples expenses sometimes. laughs i think peter deep down, more than anything, is an artist. He has an incredible sense of aesthetics. He loves beauty and anything, and art and music. Kroft its on display at marinos 12acre estate where every summer there is a lavish party for friends to introduce young and upandcoming classical musicians. Its hosted by peter and jane trapnell, his waspy wife of 33 years, a charming and accomplished Costume Designer who friends say is an essential part of the equation. Marino shes too smart to be interviewed. laughs kroft but youve been married a long time . Marino 33 years, yeah. Yeah, its great. Kroft you dont look like the perfect couple, if you know what i mean. Marino laughs its a good marriage because each of us is what we are, allows the other one to be themselves and appreciates each other for the right reason. You know, its rare that youll find two people who dont try to change the other person and let everyone be what they are. Kroft whats this . The only other constant in marinos life, as you may have guessed, are motorcycles, his latest prominently displayed on the project board. Marino this is my super duke k. T. M. 1290. Its very fast. Youre supposed to say, does jane sit on the back . laughs kroft does jane sit on the back . laughs marino absolutely not. Shes in the back of a. Of a car and driver with the two dogs. laughter kroft marino finds cars claustrophobic. He has a half a dozen bikes, has ridden them all over the country and regularly uses them to commute between new york and his home on long island. Its his release and the core of his identity. Alone on the road, where he can take in the air and the light and the space all part of living life outside the box. This cbs sports update is brought to you by the lincoln motor company. Im adam zuker. In the ncaa members basketball final, gonzaga beat South Carolina to become the First West Coast Conference School in the National Title game since 1956. 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