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Ground zero above ground has at its center is a serene Memorial Plaza with two giant cascading pools twin voids set into the footprints where the towers of the World Trade Center once stood. Each pool is surrounded by names 2,983 of them plus some who didnt even have a name. Its quiet and powerful as people come, to touch, and feel. And in some cases, mourn fathers, sisters, children. But you wont find anything here about what actually happened on 9 11 nothing about the buildings, the planes, nothing about the terrorists. All that was meant to be the job of the museum, and its director, alice greenwald. Alice greenwald we occupy literally the space below the Memorial Plaza. Stahl so, were walking. Greenwald youre walking on the roof of the museum. Stahl we met greenwald when the museum was still being built took us to see what was down below. Greenwald just watch your step, lesley. It is a construction site. Stahl but at this construction site, the issues went far beyond where to put the walls. Virtually every decision here was fraught with meaning, as you descend past two 50ton beams recovered from the wreckage into a space. Greenwald welcome to foundation hall. Stahl . That takes your breath away. gasps its haunting and a little chilling knowing youre in the belly of ground zero, in the place where so many innocent people lost their lives. So, here we are. Were right where the buildings collapsed. Were in it. Greenwald most museums are buildings that house artifacts; were a museum in an artifact. Stahl where we are is almost sacred. Greenwald i think you are become super conscious of where youre standing, and thats a powerful thing. Its a very powerful thing. Anthoula katsimatides its monica iken it is. It is sacred and hallowed space. Stahl we spoke with four family members who are also members of the museums board. Paula grant berrys husband david worked in tower 2, as did monica ikens husband, michael. Anthoula katsimatides brother john was in tower 1, and tom roge . Rs daughter jean was a Flight Attendant on American Airlines flight 11. Paula grant berry the site radiates something for us all in a very special way. Iken thats where the final resting place of our loved ones is. Stahl it has to be t . Has to be there. Anthoula katsimatides yes. Monica iken and you can feel it. Greenwald this is the remnant of the exterior structure that made up the twin towers. Stahl one of greenwalds first challenges in this hallowed space was deciding where the story of 9 11 should begin. Greenwald we begin with the voices of people from around the world, remembering where they were when they heard about the attack. Someone barged in and said, oh, my god, a plane has just crashed into the World Trade Center. Will bring their own memories of 9 11, which was witnessed within hours by people all across the globe. Phone rang, woke me up. My Business Partner told me to turn on the television. Stahl greenwald says we are all survivors of 9 11, so its fitting that visitors would descend to the main exhibits of the museum beside an enormous staircase, here encased in wood, that served as an escape route. Greenwald on 9 11, hundreds of people ran to safety down this stair. Survivor staircase was one of several artifacts so big, the museum had to be built around them like this fire engine lowered in through a hatch in the roof to honor first responders, 441 of whom lost their lives; and the famous last column, the final, massive remnant of the towers to be removed from the site. But we found that some of the most powerful things on display greenwald takes off from boston. Stahl . Are not physical artifacts at all. Oh, look, the second plane. A large projection on the wall shows the morning of 9 11 as it played out in the air. Greenwald flight 11 is hijacked. Meanwhile, flight 77 leaves. Stahl . With the simultaneous flight paths of the four planes. Greenwald and now, flight 93 takes off. Impact has already happened in new york. Stahl oh, look at this. 93 is hijacked, turns around. Stahl among the agonizing decisions for the museum should they include the voicemail messages left by passengers aboard those planes, and other victims of 9 11, for their loved ones . One advisor told greenwald to think of these recordings as a form of human remains. Ceecee lyles baby, you have to listen to me carefully. Im on a plane thats been hijacked. Stahl th decided to include a few recordings, seek permission from family members, and use them only with a attendant ceecee lyles to her husband as a testament to the professionalism of the hijacked crews. Lyles there are three guys; theyve hijacked the plane. Im trying to be calm. Greenwald she is so composed. Stahl shes in Flight Attendant mode. Greenwald shes in Flight Attendant mode. And at the very end of the call, she says something like, i hope i see you again, baby. Lyles i hope to be able to see your face again, baby. I love you. Bye. Stahl oh, my goodness. And, of course, audio was just the beginning of the sensitive questions about what should be exhibited. Let me ask you, what about some of the horrific shots, for example, of people jumping . Greenwald this is probably, as far as im concerned, the most sensitive question for this museum. Joe daniels we went through a lot of debate internally about, do we show that side of the story . Stahl on the morning of september 11, joe daniels came out of the subway to the from the north tower. Today, he is president of the 9 11 memorial and museum. Daniels you never want to have to see that; someone 100 stories up, 1,000 feet in the air, having to make that kind of choice. On the same time, theres a very strong feeling that this was a part of the story; that a group of people from this group, al qaeda, put innocent people in a position to have to do that. Stahl when you think about what terrorism means, this greenwald absolutely. Its an impossible thing for a human being to do to another human being, and yet it became possible on 9 11. So, for us not to acknowledge that would be to not be true to the story. Stahl but how . With video of people falling, or photographs . And what about the feelings of family members . Greenwald told us that she understood that some would never want to see an exhibit on this subject, but many argued greenwald i have to say that we were also. I. I dont want to say accosted thats a little strong but, you know, shaken by the lapels by family members who said, you have to tell the story. Dont whitewash the story. Tell it like it was. The world needs to know. Daniels so, we ultimately decided that we will include an exhibit, but do it in a way, in an alcove, where people will be clearly warned. And if they dont want to see it or have their family see it, they can easily avoid it. Stahl one exhibiey everyone to see is what greenwald calls the heart of this museum, a space devoted to honoring the victims lives with photographs of each of them lining the walls. Those giant walls out there go all the way up. Every bit of space will be covered. Greenwald right. Stahl . With faces . Greenwald yes. The impression will be that you are surrounded by nearly 3,000 faces. Stahl these are the photographs that now cover those walls. Look at those faces. Greenwald theyre ages two and a half to 85, from over 90 countries, every sector of the economy, every possible ethnic group. Stahl visitors can search these interactive tables and call up profiles of each person, with photos and recorded remembrances by family members and friends, like this one by the father of paul acquaviva, who died in tower 1. Mr. Acquaviva he never had a bad word, literally, to say about anybody. He always looked at the positive. You know, i know, to be honest with you, he didnt get it from me because im very critical at times. To me, that was one of the most important things about paul. Greenwald some of them are funny. Some of them are sweet. And were not telling you who they are; their loved ones are telling you who they are. Stahl visitors can also search by birthplace or by company. Greenwald if i call up cantor. Stahl Cantor Fitzgerald was the company that lost more greenwald 658 people. Stahl look at that. Greenwald . Who died on 9 11 at Cantor Fitzgerald. Stahl from that one company. One of the 658 was john katsimitides, anthoulas brother. Katsimatides so, theres four of us growing up george, john, myself and michael. Stahl we were there the day she brought photos to contribute to johns profile to the museums chief curator. Jan ramirez well, that is just so cute. Katsimatides i know. Stahl whats it like to go through the photographs and choose . Extremely difficult time doing that because, you know, you see him as a child growing up, you know, and then as a best man in all of his best friends weddings. So, its like, well, which one do you pick . Because you just are so sad that the pictures stop here. Stahl family members all share the devastation of their loss, but the museum discovered that they are hardly a monolithic bloc. Greenwald its the families of nearly 3,000 people. 12,000 people, all of whom have their own perspectives, their own desires, their own ideas about what kind of museum should be here. Stahl was absolutely every single tiny little thing an argument . Paula grant berry there were lots of issues. Iken oh, boy. whistles lots, lots. Stahl like whether to exhibit pictures of the perpetrators. And what about Osama Bin Laden . Do they belong in the 9 11 museum . Well, what was the argument for not showing Osama Bin Laden . Daniels that on this actual ground where the atrocity took place, this graveyard, to some extent, how could you demean the memory of my loved one by showing the image of the person that murdered him . Stahl but other family members took the opposite view, demanding accountability. Katsimatides it was absolutely important to point fingers. Iken you have to tell the story. Katsimatides you know, we had to express who did this to our loved ones. Daniels we dont want any walk through this museum and not leave knowing who did this to us, which is why were going to go ahead and show those images. Stahl but the museum also wants people to know the stories of heroism and selflessness, the spirit of unity after the attacks, so there are tributes here to recovery workers and volunteers. This museum was built with the knowledge that when it opened, virtually no one under the age of 17 would have a firsthand for almost a quarter of the population, 9 11 would not be a searing memory; it would be, well, something to learn about katsimatides we are worried about the children who dont remember 9 11. And this is the way to tell exactly what happened to future generations so no one ever forgets. Stahl even the painful, maybe most particularly the painful . Berry right. Happening, you know. Were talking about a brutal attack on our country, you know, where 3,000 people were innocent, and they were murdered that day. Good evening tomorrow policy makers Interest Rate hik a hinge in cargo ship stranded at the south Korean Company avoids bankruptcy. 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I wanted to know where my family came from. I did my ancestrydna. The most shocking result was that im 26 native american. I had no idea. Its opened up a whole new world for me. . What arthritis pain . Advil makes pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain . Advil. Since the terrorist attacks on september 11, 2001, thousands of americans have lost sons or daughters. Bereaved parents often become isolated in a familiar world. Friends dont know what to say about a grief no words can touch. There is no term in the dictionary for a parent who has lost a child. So, these mothers and fathers call themselves gold star parents. Its in the tradition of the military Service Flags that hung each blue star on the banner stood for a loved one serving in the military. Gold honored those never coming home. This past april, we first told you about how some of these families are finding solace, once a year in san francisco, in the embrace of the only people who can truly understand other gold star parents travelling the same endless road. An unusual war memorial, looking as it did in the 1920s when it was a hotel and theater. After world war ii, marines wanted a living memorial so they transformed this into a club that, today, honors all vets. Mary shea i look at this building. Every february. That once were inside here, were safe. We can be ourselves. We dont have to explain to anybody. Its sort of a subliminal language that we all understand. Pelley mary shea learned the language of loss when her son was killed. Its a language that cannot be translated, and so she and her husband, bill, felt they could no longer be understood. Bill shea youre kind of cast adrift and youre sort of or what to do. And there they were. Understanding better than we understood, the support that we needed. Pelley he gathering the sheas attend every year is organized by women who call themselves the blue star moms of the east bay area blue stars, with sons and daughters who served in the military. About 200 of californias gold stars attend this honor and remembrance event, whichs with a reception. The next morning, each of the fallen receives a prayer. A grateful nation acknowledges your sacrifice and prays for your peace. Pelley later, gold star parents and counselors lead conversations for smaller groups, like Single Parents and siblings. Its all invitation only, no press. The only pictures we have are from the marines memorial memorial wall, where every lost loved one since 9 11 is remembered. 6,850 stories. Tim shea was 22. Hed fought two tours in afghanistan and was in iraq on his third tour there, when his vehicle hit a bomb in august of 2005. Bill shea a night, thursday night about 9 30 p. M. , there was a knock at the door. And we were sort of getting ready to go to bed. And i was in the bedroom and then i heard marys voice. Bill, come here, right now. Come here, come here. Come here. And i went out there and, and soon as we saw them, we knew what was what we were facing. Pelley saw who . Bill shea saw the soldiers. The, the, theres a chaplain. There was, and, and, and two others. Was it two other soldiers who northern california. Dad a lawyer, mom a teacher. How often do you come . Bill shea well, i come most every day and just have a little chat with tim. Pelley eleven years ago, at tims funeral, mary noticed women she had never seen before. Mary shea where did these people come from, and why are they here . Why do they care . Pelley the strangers were blue star moms, including nancy totman. How many of these funerals have you been to . Nancy totman 42 funerals. And each one is difficult. Deb saunders i can think of a couple of parents right off hand. Pelley deb saunders understood their isolation. Saunders you can express your sympathy, but you cannot empathize with someone unless youre walking in their shoes. And thats what i knew we had to do, was somehow gather these folks together, that they were better equipped in their journey pelley to gather the gold stars, deb saunders reached out to a tough old leatherneck, retired marine Major General mike myatt, the president and c. E. O. Of the marines memorial association. Mike myatt deb saunders, she was a blue star mom. She came to me one day and she said, im worried about the gold star moms. We need to provide some kind of comfort for them. Saunders i knew general myatt had the resources to help us do it but i also knew he had the heart. And thats exactly what this took. Pelley heart led myatt to order the wall, where you find Senior Airman Jonathan Vega yelner. He had volunteered after his single mom discovered that he was ditching class in college. Yolanda vega and i said jonathan, im going to give you two options, because you fooled mommy. You have a choice. Navy or air force . Pick one. Those were the safer options. Vega he came over and he hugged me and walked away. And as hes walking straight toward the recruiter, he just went like this. Pelley he never looked back. The air force gave him maturity and purpose. He served in iraq, then afghanistan. And there, safe on base, he volunteered for an army patrol. There was a bomb. He was 24. Vega i was told that he was killed instantly. Thank you, god. And. Yeah. My baby. Pelley yolanda barricaded herself behind Close Friends and family. Blue star moms sought her out and she was amazed. Vega being a blue star star mother and hugging were their worst nightmare. And yet, they are so willing to be part of our lives and ensuring our wellbeing. I couldnt have done it without them. Pelley your eyes light up when you talk about them, and im trying to understand what it was that you found so uplifting, redeeming about that experience. Vega i knew that my son and thats one of the biggest fears gold star families have, that our children will be forgotten. Thats not going to happen. Pelley the children, as parents will always call them, are celebrated at tribute tables. Their child lives again in every new introduction. Bill shea because when tim was a senior families to assemble, for us, their tabletop biographies. This is a picture of when she was little . Claire good yeah. Pelley meet alecia good. Daughter of claire and paul. A Senior Airman armed with what had to be the biggest smile in the air force. Pelley as you are with more than 100 other tables at the event, people come by. What does it do for you . Paul good it gives us a sense of that she didnt lose her life for nothing. Was on counterterrorism duty near the horn of africa when her helicopter collided with another. She was 23. Her daughter tabatha was two. Claire good tabatha just recently went through her moms wardrobe and the first thing she did was put on her uniform and she looked just like her mom. It was cute. Paul good she realizes that her moms special and that she wont be forgotten. Mike anderson not a day goes he was mike jr. , he was my only son. He was my firstborn. Pelley mike anderson, senior, has been coming to the event all 11 years. Pelley when you see that new family come through the door at the next meeting, what do you tell them . Anderson tell them that we love them, we welcome them, again, were walking the same dark valley. I know how you feel. It does get a little better over time. People talk abouos theres never real closure, at least not in my mind. But there are steps forward to ease the pain, to help with that closure. Pelley what are those . The steps to ease the pain . Anderson faith, for me. Going abroad 2006, going to iraq myself to see some of the same faces, be in the region, breathe some of the same air that my son unselfishly fought and died for. Pelley you went to iraq. Anderson yes, sir. Anderson it was a need for me, it was more than just a want. Pelley mike anderson, jr. Joined the marines the minute he got out of high school. In 2004, 11 days before christmas, he was shot retaking the city of fallujah. The burden that you have is unbearable. Anderson at times, yes sir. Pelley but when you come to this event, you take on the unbearable burdens of another 100 families. To help people that hed never met, that he would probably never ever see again. Its just that, in some ways, its human nature to want to help others. Myatt and people asked me, what do you say to the gold star parents . I say, well, you dont have to say anything to them, just ask them, tell me about your son or your daughter. Man, they will just talk. They will just tell you all they can about the son or daughter. And its really something. I wished i had known this as a because i went to vietnam and i had People Killed out of my platoon. And i was gonna go visit each family, and the very last one was in kansas. I was visiting them and i went to the house, and and the father said, come on in. And the mother, she had on her apron. She said, i just fixed dinner, would you ve dinner with us . I said, no, im in a son. And i told them how he was killed and everything. They really appreciated. Then, wont you stay for dinner . Oh, i better not. I realize now they wanted to tell me about their son. And i wasnt mature enough to know it. Pelley thats why they wanted you to stay. Myatt yeah, yeah, and now i know it. Making a home for the memories. Bill shea i remember one time visiting my sons graveside and thinking about how every day they would face the day and realize that this is dangerous and they did it anyway. I have a duty to do and this duty is dangerous and im going to do it. Pelley tims death transferred that duty to you. Pelley the duty to live your lives and to help other people in the same situation that youre in. Bill shea i think thats right. I think thats right. And thats the best way to honor him. Pelley once a year, gold star families are safe in the embrace of their peers, strangers who share an intimate truth; a life is lost, but love cbs sports update is brought to you by the link or Motor Company im james brown with scores. Bengals top jets in game that included five lead changes, eagles rookie caught two touchdowns. Aaron rodgers threw two touchdown passes ran for another green bays win. Two scores to win in his texas deficit 21 points to prevail. For more sports news and information go to cbssports. Com. . jet engine . heart beat . water splashing rain drops engine revving tires on wet road and can you explain to me why you recommend synthetic over cedar . Super food . 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Before 2009, there were, on average, two earthquakes a year in oklahoma that were magnitude three or greater. Last year, there were 907. Thats right, 907. The vast majority of earthquakes are small, causing little or no damage. They make up in sheer volume. This tally from the u. S. Geological survey shows the number of earthquakes in oklahoma has increased every year since 2009, with more than 2,000 magnitude three and above. At means more of the bigger ones, like this 4. 3 magnitude quake last december in edmond, oklahoma. Melinda olbert i woke up the house wouldnt fall down. I couldnt believe that the windows didnt shatter. Whitaker Melinda Olbert and Kathy Matthews are neighbors in edmond. Olbert what quake app do you use . Kathy matthews i use the one whitaker they say they check their phone apps to track earthquakes around the state all day long. Look at that. Matthews cherokee, enid, fairview, medford, stillwater. Whitaker all in one day . Matthews all in one 24hour period. Whitaker this must be unnerving. Matthews its its no way to live. Its no way to live. Whitaker Cornell University teaching in oklahoma when the increase in quakes began. She says the situation is unprecedented. Whats going on here in oklahoma has never been seen before . Katie keranen just the number of earthquakes is astounding, but how fast it grew it is perhaps even more astounding. Whitaker keranen and her student Catherine Lambert have set up equipment to detect extremely small quakes in an area where there havent been many, hoping the small quakes might provide warnings of larger keranen and so, so far we have only looked at data from four days of recording, and so we see small earthquakes in the area. Whitaker even over four days. Keranen even over four days, we actually see many dozens of earthquakes. Whitaker many dozens . Keranen thats right. Whitaker keranen was among the first scientists to link the earthquakes to oil and Gas Production. These are manmade earthquakes. Keranen most people feel that the majority of these are linked to this water being disposed. Whitaker the water thats causing the earthquakes is not from fracking, which is water and chemicals pumped underground to free up oil and gas. This is naturally occurring water thats been trapped below ground with the petroleum for millions of years. This is the oil being pumped out . Gary larue oil, gas and water. Whitaker gary larue is president of petrowarrior, a small, independent oil company that operates 14 wells in oklahoma. What happens in this cylinder is what happens on a grand scale at the oil, gas and water naturally separate. Larue so this will be the saltwater here. This is gas up here. Whitaker the bubbles going thats the gas. And look at that. The oil. Like every other operator in the region, big and small, larues oil wells produce more water than petroleum. The gas and oil are collected in tanks for sale, but the water is too briny to be recycled or used. Its considered waste. And all of this is saltwater uhhuh. So it has to go back in the ground. We have to get rid of it. Whitaker getting rid of the water means sending it down a disposal well thats drilled deep below the freshwater aquifers to prevent their contamination and the zone where it came from. This is it . Larue this is it. Whitaker this is what all the talks about . Larue just a well in the ground. Whitaker larues disposal well is one of more than 3,000 in oklahoma. The state created a website to explain the earthquakes. This map shows disposal wells as the orange dots are earthquakes. When the price of oil went over 100 a barrel in 2008, oil and Gas Production increased dramatically. So did the amount of wastewater and earthquakes. Whats causing these earthquakes . Mark zoback what we have learned in oklahoma is that the earthquakes that are occurring in enormous numbers are the result of waste water injection. Whitaker mark zoback is professor of geos stanford university. Zoback says there are two factors behind the earthquakes. One is the large volumes of water being disposed, and the other is where it all goes deep down into a layer of earth called the arbuckle. What makes this such a good place to dispose of all that water . Zoback well, its very thick. Its porous, its permeable so it can accommodate, you know, very large injection rates. Whitaker the only problem sits directly on top of the crystalline basement, a rock layer riddled with earthquake faults. So this water is seeping into the faults . Zoback the water pressure is seeping into the faults. And the fault is clamped shut and the water pressure sort of pushes the two sides of the fault apart and allows the slippage to occur today, when it might not occur for thousands of years into the future. Whitaker earthquakes are now a daily occurrence in oklahoma, but it was three quakes in november, 2011 near the town o prague that caught everyones attention. One was magnitude 5. 6, the largest in oklahomas history. It toppled a spire at st. Gregorys university and severely damaged 14 houses, including the one where john and Jerri Loveland live with their two children. Jerri loveland our bed was shaking and all you could hear was glass. John loveland you know, earthquake insurance is something that you dont ever whitaker like most oklahomans, the lovelands didnt have earthquake insurance and have been doing their own repairs to save money. More than four years after the quake, Jerri Loveland often resorts to simply hiding the damage. Doesnt that concern you . That youve got a crack like this Jerri Loveland im afraid that if we went in and fixed these and then there was another earthquake, even a little, its going to crack it all and then youve done all that work for no reason. Whitaker im not sure Jerri Loveland crack. Whitaker covering it is fixing it. Jerri loveland its not fixing i its not like we have the money to bulldoze the house down and start over. That would be great. But its not going to happen. We have a mortgage. We live on one income. And i realize that thats our choice, but our choice was great when somebody else didnt screw our house up, so and thats proven fact that somebody did it. Its not a natural disaster. Whitaker oil and gas is oklahomas largest industry. In recent years, Companies Like sandridge, chesapeake, new employed nearly one of six workers in oklahoma. All the companies declined to provide someone to speak to us. For years, govenor mary fallin was skeptical the quakes were connected to oil and Gas Production. But as the number of quakes skyrocketed, she created an Advisory Council in 2014 to study the situation. Last summer, fallin conceded a connection. Govenor mary fallin i think we all know now that there is a direct correlation between the weve seen in oklahoma with disposal wells. Whitaker nonetheless, last year, the state cut the budget of the agencies investigating the quakes and regulating the oil and gas industry. Kim hatfield of the Oklahoma Independent Petroleum association sits on the governors council. He did agree to an interview and insists the science is inconclusive. Kim hatfield you have to understand that injection into even 2000. This is something thats been going on for 60, 70 years. And weve had had a sudden change. And the question is, what changed . Whitaker the amount of wastewater injected into disposal wells last year is triple what it was in 2009, adding up to more than 200 billion gallons of water in seven years. The thing thats different is the amount of water that the oil industry is pumping into the arbuckle formation. Thats whats different. And along with that difference comes these earthquakes. Thats not the trigger . Hatfield the injection of water is a factor. But it is not possibly the only factor. We dont know. Whitaker so what more needs to be done . Its not as simple as saying well, lets just stop injecting water. The Energy Industry is is is very important to the state. Mike teague if it is your house thats shaking there is no way that were moving fast enough. Whitaker mike teague is oklahomas secretary of energy and environment. Hes got the tough job of protecting oklahomas anxious citizens without damaging its most important industry. Teague i keep track of all earthquakes above a 3. 0 in the state and 2012 we had three dozen in the entire year. 2013, we had 109. Next year, we had 585. Last year, we had 907. Whitaker thats an alarming increase. Teague absolutely. Whitaker so what have you concluded is the cause . Teague well, the focus right is right now, is disposal wells. Whitaker how do you balance out the economic benefit of the gas and oil industry and the teague i dont think its a balance. I think Public Safety has to take precedence. Whitaker mark zoback from stanford has been working with mike teague and the state Earthquake Council for more than a year. Zoback lowering the total amount of salt water injection into the arbuckle is the only way that these earthquakes are going to start to subside. Whitaker do they have time . Zobk theres nothing we know that says larger earthquakes are imminent. But everything we know says that the earthquakes are, are going to be continuing. Larger earthquakes in the future, if they do nothing. Whitaker this winter, the state called for widespread voluntary reductions in wastewater disposal by as much as 45 in earthquake zones. More than 600 wells are covered by the cutbacks. Last year, when neighboring kansas had similar seismic activity, it reduced Oil Wastewater disposal and saw a 60 drop in quakes from the year before. Underground in oklahoma, its too early to know whether the cuts here will succeed. Nowhere is the need for action more urgent than cushing, oklahoma. Cushing is home to the nations Largest Crude Oil storage and pipeline facilities, which the department of Homeland Security calls critical infrastructure. The complex was rocked by a series of earthquakes last fall. Now the state has asked you to stop putting so much water down. Larue they did a voluntary action. Were six miles away from cushing over there. Whitaker independent oil man gary larue says cutting back on the disposal of water also means cutting back on the production of oil and gas. Prices, the cutbacks, he says, will hurt. Larue 3a barrel, if we have to cut our production in half because of restrictions they put on us, were done. Whitaker youre out of business . Larue yeah. We wont be drilling wells, we wont be employing local people to do our service work, were done. Whitaker since may, larue abandoned has eight of his 14 wells to comply with the cutbacks. Kathy matthews you know that its going to hurt the companies. Itsoing to hurt your friends. Its going to hurt your neighbors. But you cannot compromise, when it comes to Public Safety. Olbert we may be talking about trucking it 30 miles away. I think that could be done. Kathy matthews i wont be fearmongered into thinking that you cant do anything. Because in my heart of hearts, i believe you can. And i believe you should. And i believe you havent. And now youre paying the price. Olbert were paying the price. Whitaker oklahoma has further reduced wastewater disposal since our story first aired in may, and the overall number of earthquakes has been declining. But a 5. 8 magnitude quake struck last weekend the largest in oklahomas history. The state immediately ordered 37 more disposal wells to shut Bill Whitaker has covered earthquakes around the world. But oklahomas are a different story. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Hi hey ive made plans for later in case this date doesnt go well. Same here. Wouldnt it be great if everyone said what they meant . 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