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I will greet the sun again for the 1st time in a us museum the most complete grouping of Shereen a shots iconic women abolish series is now on view the Los Angeles Times called it one of this fall's best art exhibitions you can plan a visit at the bro dot org This is Fresh Air weekend I'm Terry Gross my guest Kevin Wilson writes novels about families families where something extreme is happening in his best known novel The family Fang the parents are performance artists who make their children be part of the act in Wilson's new novel nothing to see here a 28 year old single woman Lillian is asked to take care of 210 year old twins she's warned that they have a unique affliction when they are frightened or angry they burst into flames the flames don't damage the children but the fire can spread and burn the people and things around them the novel is partly inspired by how Kevin Wilson felt as a child when he couldn't control the terrifying images that flashed through his mind when he was an adult he was diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome in the novel the person who asked Lillian to take care of the twins is former prep school roommate Madison Lily and couldn't afford the tuition but she had a scholarship Madison was from a wealthy family and has since married Jasper a senator on the verge of being nominated to service secretary of state the twins are children from his previous marriage their mother has just died so the twins are coming to. Live with Jasper and Madison who see these combustible children as a burden and a threat to Jasper's political career Kevin Wilson welcome to Fresh Air So I'd like you to start with a reading where Lillian for the 1st time witnesses the children catching on fire place this section in context for us and describe if you will what sets the children off shore. Has brought the 2 children Bessie and Roland to meet Jasper and Madison and there's another man Carl who is a handler for the family who's also they are and the children have been a strange from their father Jasper for several years and simply the sight of him sort of agitates them and kind of starts off this process. Smoke started coming off the children their cheap clothes now singed Oh Madison said and everyone was just standing there not doing anything while these children increase the intensity of the fire that was inside them that's what it seemed like like the fire was inside them children made a fire and I knew it would get worse if something didn't happen to stop it Madison and Jasper seem stunned and Karl's only concern was keeping Jasper from getting burned I took off my moom which was so easy to remove by the way and then I used it to cover my hands and gently lower the children to a squatting position on the ground hey Bessie Bessie calm down Ok she was rigid and so was Roland but the fire was just rolling across them yellow and red like what you draw with a limited supply of crayons can you turn it off I asked almost whispering but they weren't listening so then I started smothering the flames with the moon which caused it to smolder and spark I patted the children all over their arms their backs on top of their little heads I went pat pat pat pat pat and kept whispering It's Ok it's Ok it's Ok I could feel the heat but I just kept lightly tapping them and the fire seemed to finally die out as if they had been holding their breath the entire time Bessie and Roland each took in a deep gulp of a or and then sighed suddenly sleepy I leaned against them and they kind of slumped on to me and Carl finally ran over and scooped them both up one in each arm and put them back in the van gently closing the doors. That's given Wilson reading a section of his new novel nothing to see here what does the image of children expressing their anger or their fear for their attempt to protect themselves as catching on fire I mean or no way it's almost like a tantrum and we all understand children's tantrums we have better witness them. You know. They experience them but why this image of catching fire. I mean for me it starts when I was a child when I was probably 9 or 10 years old. I was obsessed with these commercials on t.v. For the time life mysteries of the unknown set of books which you could order and I wanted them so badly but they were very expensive and my parents were never going to order something over the phone. But I had a friend my best friend Tony to try to go had them and I would go over to his house and read them and I was obsessed with them and there was this really small section maybe even just a panel on spontaneous human combustion and the moment I saw it and understood that possibility had just locked into my brain forever I thought about it a lot. This kind of reoccurring image in my head of people bursting into flames and I was an anxious kid and I had all this agitation inside of me and so it made sense that I just assumed I might burst into flames it seemed entirely possible. And then as I got older and became a teenager and my anxiety kind of became more understandable I kind of wanted to burst into flames you know like that would burn out all the anxiety inside of me and I'd be kind of clean so I just kind of wanted to add and so it just kind of repeated in my head over and over again until I decided I've got to write about it and like you said with no one children I have 2 little boys and I think children when they have tantrums or even when they're agitated they they look like they're going to combust it's entirely possible to me that my boys might burst into flames I think my mother when things would get out of hand and the kids or the cousins from getting too excited she'd say they're getting overheated. It's true and even my son Griff who when he gets anxious he feels it all in his ears as a heat and he'll just dunk his head in water and to me I was like yes that makes perfect sense that's that's what I would do to. You tell me what it said and about spontaneous combustion why do humans spontaneous combustion Yeah I mean the important thing about spontaneous human combustion is that they that you die you know in the you burst into flames and the flame works on the fat in your body and you burn down and a lot of times that's so self-contained that like even the chair that you're sitting in it's kind of untouched. But that was not interesting I didn't want to burst into flames and die I wanted and wanted to burst into flames over and over again as many times as I needed to so once I understood the mystery of it I thought that's not mysterious enough I want more than that I need it to happen again and again we have the kind of opposite like the children who burst into flames are not harmed by the flames but people around them could be they can burn the house down they can burn a tree down yeah I mean that's for me how agitation and anger and tantrums work I mean it may be affecting you internally but it's the xterm a world that it really affects that it kind of disrupts so question in the book is like where did this children get this crazy ability is it inherited and if so is it the mother or the father who passed on this like strange power and I know that's been an issue for you because you're concerned that you've passed on some of your problems to your oldest son you were diagnosed as an adult with Tourette's syndrome . Yeah and you know I've always had this kind of agitation and looping thoughts and and small tics and finally as an adult neurologist said I think I think you might have Tourette's and again it wasn't how it was portrayed on t.v. Or in books so I didn't fully believe that but I wanted to get better so that's what I accepted. Just in around Terence said the way it's portrayed on t.v. Is that you keep saying things that you ordinarily wouldn't say and some of us think very like insulting and it shows what's going on in your brain that other people with sense are but you would just like shout it out but that's not what you have right I mean mine is so much more internal those those images and looping tics are in my head and so a lot of the work that I'm doing is just keeping it in there and so you know once I realized this we were also thinking about having kids and I knew we wanted them but I also wasn't sure how to take care of them and and I knew one of the things I was worried about was genetically what am I passing on to my children what am I responsible for with. My boys you know they're 11 and 7 and Griff certainly has shown issues of anxiety and that became a huge worry but but frankly. I think maybe I was a little self-important like I thought oh you know I'm going to ruin my children but I think maybe my children won't let me ruin them there they're tougher and more stable than maybe I had imagined They're incredible and wild and weird. But you know that initial worry like oh God you know and you have a kid you just ruin them starts to fall away as the children learn how to survive without you. And have their own will that you can't necessarily shape Yeah and then it becomes scary in a different way you worry that they're so much like you and then you realize that they're they're not you at all and then that's terrifying because then how are you going to keep. I'm close to you Well I read an article about you in which you were talking about how. When your son was young he wouldn't eat and you were afraid like I mean you need to eat to stay alive and he just wouldn't eat and he was obviously very afraid of something but he wouldn't tell you what he was afraid of can you talk about what it was like to handle that. Yeah I mean you know Griff would have what he would say bad thoughts you know I'm having these kind of stressful strange thoughts which he didn't want to tell us about and I understood that clearly because that's how my brain works too you know my brain doesn't care if I want to think about it or not it gives me what it gives me and so those those moments can be so stressful that you don't want to you don't want to communicate you want to you want to move inside of yourself to protect yourself. And so when I saw that happening with Griff I both understood it very clearly but I also understood that whatever is inside of him is is is mysterious to me it's not exactly the same no matter how much I think it might be. But you know it was it was that initial worry that oh this is me this is me all over again. What were your fears when you had when you were terrified as a kid but wouldn't tell anyone Yeah I mean they were mostly these kind of repeating images of danger of. And it wasn't always me but but falling off of tall buildings getting stabbed catching on fire there were these disc Wik kind of violent bursts in my head. And I have to say like my family is incredible they they were we were as close as we could be I mean like every Friday night we were teenagers my sister and I would play canasta with my parents we were we were just always with each other but there was still this kind of hidden part of me that I didn't want to talk about because I was certain that once it kind of entered the open air it would change everything how how would it change everything because if I said I had this darkness inside of me it might. Kind of destroy the kind of wonderful life that we had all built together that I would be the reason that it start. To become complicated you know that that my agitation would cause anxiety for them you know and of course I think they easily could have handled it they loved me and still love me but when you're a kid you're not certain right you don't know what's the tipping point. So I hit it my guest is Kevin Wilson his new novel is called Nothing to see here we'll talk more after a break and Kevin Whitehead will review a reissue of music performed by the late jazz pianist Erroll Garner This is Fresh Air weekend. The new Bauer Family Foundation supports w.h.y. Was fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation support for n.p.r. Comes from this station I'm from Ancestry helping people discover their story through family history and d.n.a. 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That whole park and Highland Park Roman style pizza from Nancy Silverton with vegan and gluten free options available weekday lunch specials and delivery via caviar triple beam pizza dot com This is Fresh Air weekend I'm Terry Gross let's get back to my interview with writer Kevin Wilson our book critic Maureen Corrigan describes his 2011 novel The family fagging as strange and wonderful His new novel nothing to see here is about a 28 year old woman who gets a job taking care of twin 10 year olds with a bizarre disorder when they are frightened or angry they burst into flames family is the subject Wilson most often writes about when he was a child he was terrified by the alarming images that would loop around his brain as an adult he was diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome which helped explain those alarming images you said that you live in your head and I'm wondering how the Tourette's affects your life as a writer and if it affects your need to write. Yeah I mean I think from a young age I always had a narrative in my head there were these images and ideas and I looped a lot and when I read or see things that I like I tend to watch them again and again so that I can kind of memorize the sound of it and so that that can kind of stay inside my head. And it wasn't until like college really that I realized oh these are narratives these are stories and and there's a way that you know part of the problem was they were in my head for so long that they started to repeat and get weirder and weirder and there was a point where I thought if I can just put this on paper and I have some control over it and I thought oh it'll get rid of it and it doesn't quite do that but it allows me this way to kind of control and deal with those images so writing is I think the thing that saved me being able to transfer what was. My head onto the page and then there's this freedom that once it hits the open air once it goes out into the world and you publish it you're kind of free of it for a little while at least it's somebody else's problem like me the reader. I mean flick doing these things so I don't have to deal with them since you say that you live in your head what do you do about the rest of your body like. Do you do you work out do you care about the rest of your body I don't care of it that's for sure no I like to walk I like to walk with the kids my son will put on an audio book and I'll put on an audio book and we walk side by side and I can feel the closeness of him to me and we just keep walking and we keep moving. And as we do that we're listening to these narratives that can kind of take the place of whatever's in our head and it's really calming and wonderful. But most of the time I'm trying to make my space as small as possible I'm trying to keep my body as tightly contained as it can be so that it's protected so I don't like to leave the house and I will and I can do it but the happiest is when it's it's just me and my family and we're close enough that we sense each other as they are. In the new novel The father and stepmother of the children who catch on fire when they get upset the children who spontaneously combust the parents want to send them to boarding school like let the professionals handle them we can't deal with it and that's especially true because you know the father is a senator who thinks he's about to be nominated to be secretary of state he's going to go through the vetting process and the last thing he needs is like kids who set themselves on fire this is a terrifying thought. And I think the whole idea of like sending children to be raised by professionals or having this utopian community where parents kind of share in that child raising is something you've thought about a lot. Yeah his it's reflected and and other books that you've written to did you have that fare like when you became a parent like I'm not going to do a good enough job is there a doctor or is there a school as I like somebody who could do this right for me yeah I mean I think after we had our 1st child my wife Lynn who is gifted in every way that I'm not with children she's so intuitive and so wonderful and doesn't worry in the same way that I do but we remember we my parents were watching Grif and we went out to dinner it was a rare night to the 2 of us and I said I'm thinking about this new book and it's. I kind of had been thinking about it I just wish we could send our child to a place where professionals experts would raise him and and he would get everything that he needed and he would be the stronger better person at the end of it in the end said Well what what would we do the whole time that was happening and said oh who right Ok and I was like maybe we could be there to maybe we could be a part of it and we would learn as well and there's something to my mind that even though I am I love isolation and I need it small communities where we all make each other stronger is appealing to me and the this idea that if we all come together some of that anxiety will be less and because we're all working towards this common goal can you describe the perfect world you tried to create in your novel perfect world yes so there's a little our other Dr grind he comes up with this idea that if he can get 10 families 10 couples who are all about to have a child and he can raise them and they can all live together in this compound it's a kind of scientific commune. Everyone's working towards this goal and none of the children know who their actual parent is to them all 19 because the main. Character is coming without a partner all 19 of those adults are the children's parents and so what would it be like if you had to pretend that your child in some ways was just one of your of your 10 children and what would it be like to be a child and understand that you have not 2 parents but 19 I haven't had anything to do it doesn't go well at all I mean that's the thing that's the kind of thing about community right is that we have the best intentions but but then we're human and the minute our weirdnesses touch other weirdnesses things get complicated it'll never be anything other than messy How were you raised. Wonderfully I had the most wonderful parents you could ever ask for they supported me and everything that I wanted to do we lived a close isolated life my sister is younger than me by 4 years but in many ways she protected me and took care of me and watched out for me she's also incredibly capable but I think the thing that really. Is that you know as I needed help and as my parents you know living in Winchester Tennessee like when I was in high school and I was like I need help they they drove me an hour and a half to Nashville to see a therapist you know they they knew that I needed something and they were going to help me figure that out and sometimes I think what was necessary and why a survived my childhood was because even though I wanted to keep everything hidden I also knew that whatever I said my parents would accept that they would figure out how to work with me and they also were really wonderful because they loved art too and they exposed us to weirdness it was such a interesting wonderful household to be and they let us like I remember being 6 years old and listening to Richard Pryor albums 6 or Seinfeld when I was a kid Eddie Murphy they really loved humor and the cadence of humor they. Appreciated and so a lot of times I think we liked to make each other laugh we'd like to come up with that weirdness that would kind of spark in the other person and it was just the 4 of us in our house and we would tell stories my parents when I was very young made with the Super 8 camera stop motion animated Star Wars movies with me. They were just game for anything and when I told my dad I remember we were I was moaning the grass and we were sitting on the bed of his truck and I said I think I want to be a writer I was in college I said I think I'm going to try to do this and that's probably the worst thing you can tell your paper says that you want to be a writer and he was just like yeah this makes perfect sense you should do it there was never a moment that they hesitated when I wanted to kind of make something was it helpful to see a lot of comics when you were young who had unusual thoughts or strange experiences or strange strange you know emotions that felt strange to them and talking about it and making it funny did you find that reassuring Yeah I mean you could see that what they were doing was trying to figure out their obsessions and then how to make those understandable to an audience and one of the easiest ways to make strangeness understandable is. About humor to my mind that if you can make it approachable and understandable in that funny way then you can hit them with the darkness as you move forward so so that's kind of. What I learned from from comedians it's not something I'd ever want to do it seems like the worst job in the world but I always appreciated it I loved the rhythm of how they built those narratives how they would have those callbacks there is just it's. Like. Can I ask what your parents that professionally you know my dad sold insurance my mom was a nurse until she had us and then she raised us. My family was always our number one priority was always each other around each other all the time. Your parents still alive they are you know I they live they live in the same town that I do but so nice and do they read your novels I know that my Dad Does he was when I 1st said I wanted to be a writer I gave him some stories I had written and they were weird but he loved them and. He was so supportive and he is the one you know that reads my work for sure and I know my mom and my sister do too but I think my dad. Is the one who seems most fully invested in it as a way to kind of understand me and when he read this nothing to see here he was like This is my favorite which meant something to me because he's read me since I was 17 years old so I felt like if I could please him then then maybe I was on to something. Well Kevin Wilson It's been great to talk with you thank you so much I really appreciate it thank you for having me Kevin Wilson's new novel is called Nothing to see here he teaches English and creative writing at Swanny the University of the South. The late jazz pianist Erroll Garner is the subject of a new series of cd reissues of albums he recorded for various labels between 19091073 jazz critic Kevin Whitehead has a review of his pick from the series so far. Erroll Garner 1964 giving a big Hollywood buildup to I found a $1000000.00 baby at the $5.10 cent store a song from 1981. It's from his album a night at the movies my favorite so far from the ongoing octave remastered series of Garner albums they're being issued one a month through next June. As an album concept songs from the movie is about as loose as it gets this one's even looser because some songs like that last one actually come from Broadway a few selections are older than talking pictures like one $913.00 you made me love you a vehicle for Al Jolson and get it slower than Erroll Garner. Erroll Garner is among the most charming and chipper jazz pianists he's got that relentlessly bouncy feet gets a big brassy sound from piano and he has a way of circling back to the tune during an improvisation those qualities and his old timey repertoire here can make Garner sound like a throwback to 1920 s. Novelty rag timers but he was a modernist as well. The German song Just a Gigolo was a favorite of the lonely as Monk Erroll Garner puts his own spin on it with its timing his way. To garner trios buoyant beat was a 3 way effort with Eddie Calhoun's bass Kelly Martin's drums and arrows left hand all in sync but garners roaming right hand was the trio's free agent. His improvised line would step across that firm beat and slip into the cracks between accents that line hovers over the rhythm the way his variations hover over a melody. This is Stella by starlight. I'm leery of discussions about how music makes you feel because the same performance may evoke a wide range of reactions from different listeners but it's hard to miss the joy that radiates from Erroll Garner as he spins out new and old melodies and cracks his little musical jokes he's as listener friendly as jazz gets he improvises with with style and grace and he swings like mad. Joy he radiated is still contagious. 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The Last Temptation of Christ Grand Budapest Hotel the Florida project and eternities gate in which he portrayed Vincent Van Gogh He's currently starring in Motherless Brooklyn written and directed by the film star Edward Norton Defoe spoke with Fresh Air's Dave Davies and they began with a clip from Motherless Brooklyn it's a film set in the fifty's involving corruption in New York City land redevelopment Edward Norton plays a private eye who has Tourette's syndrome he's investigating this corruption because the people behind it seem connected to the murder of the head of the detective agency where he works the person behind the redevelopment plans is a ruthless power broker name Moses Randolph who's clearly based on the real life figure of Robert Moses Defoe's character Paul is one of the people opposing the redevelopment plan because he and just about everyone else in his neighborhood will be forced out of their homes by the new construction in this scene is in a diner talking with Norton's character who's posing as a reporter to get people to reveal information Defoe's character Paul speaks 1st to the waiter at the diner. Could I get a cake could you make a want ad like that. After the city is get a ride on one of his horses he controls every construction job. Created no construction slops he's got 14 a point. Or none of the. Borrowing 40. You know you call yourself a reporter on what the odds beat me but you really don't listen should I yeah you should write. Emerson said an institution is the length and shadow of one man this town is run by the morning and the birth already is most Israeli know. And that is our guest Willem Dafoe in Brooklyn Well Willem Dafoe welcome to Fresh Air thank you I notice that your character begins by asking for cheesecake served warm right sort of character right. So we 1st meet him when he's kind of shouting out stuff at Moses Randolph in a meeting tell us how you saw this character one of the beauties of this character is he's not as he appears when you 1st see him he you think maybe as a homeless guy unstable. With an axe to grind paranoid and then you learn he really holds the secrets that he knows intimately about corruption in the city because Moses Randolph is his brother and there's almost Shakespearean backstory to how they both arrive to where they are when we see them in the movie and they basically started out brothers wealthy family with a deep sense of noblesse oblige that they wanted to help make the world a better place but then there's a real split because my brother all of sudden as I said in that story I say he gets tired of losing to lesser minds and he gets frustrated and becomes obsessed with accumulating power and winning if that has any resonance you know. The day and age that word winning. And they have a split but at the same time this isn't strict you know polemic I mean really the Moses Randolph character beautifully played by Alec Baldwin also expresses some interesting things he talks about he uses Central Park as an example that there was resistance to Central Park when they wanted to create a private park they displaced some farmers they moved some trees he says that people have to be forward thinking and sometimes it's the man of action that. You know must make progress but of course there was great corruption in the story in the right name of progress a lot of people are around just considered. Collateral damage and that's accepted. I want to talk about the Florida project which sure you are earned an Oscar nomination for your role in this is a really interesting film from director Sean Baker about kids like young kids like 67 year olds who live with their parents in some cheesy motels near Disney World in Florida and they can have this world of these tacky souvenir shops and ice cream stands and run around the nerve parents are you know they're struggling they're living in a motel not always making the best decisions but trying to make it work this was actually filmed in a working motel right this was not a set Well the story was really the people that were living that life where we filmed someone hung out there and really took on that world and it was embedded in that world and the people that were there really showed us how to tell our story kept us from you know romanticizing that are you saying the people who actually lived in this hotel the Magic Castle Oh yeah because we were mixing people that live there with 1st time actors with non-actors with actors what dictated what we did was what was there and we took our cues from that I mean the interesting thing for me was that I'm always interested in not being an actor being an actor that doesn't seem to get there and I'm not just talking about naturalism I'm talking about you want to melt into the fabric of the world and we took our cues from the people that live there I didn't perform a manager as much as I did the duties of a manager and that was the way into the character because that was. That was practical and I've always felt like you know you don't think characters are revealed through the action and it's the quality of how you commit to the actions how you commit to what these people do that reveals who they are so my job was really to be the best manager of the hotel I could be and that's what I did then movie and did you hang out there and do the things that a motel manager does you know that's all I get that's all I had to turn on the breaker move to say oh yeah I didn't live there but I had my room there and you know you'd be there pretty much all day right now and I want to play a clip here because your character Bobby is you know he's not just a guy who checks people in and out he's kind of the mayor of this little community on the way you're looking at right people and in this case this scene begins where . You notice that the kids are playing in a park nearby with some picnic benches and you notice an older man in shorts walk up and engage the kids and you suspect he's a predator and you intervene I'll note as the scene progresses we're going to hear you knock a soda out of this guy's hand and then kind of grab him so you can muscle his wallet away and get his driver's license to id him but it begins with you approaching this man who's trying to engage the kids let's listen scares me can I have you. Know I think I want to. Get off the table people need on that thing come on. We're gassed you. Know I Got him for a shot a machine. To get us over. The next day. How. Do you know you know that if there's a sound machine just come with me you know how long so. Yeah I have half a mile high to the right picnic table. I'll have some pie and I'm going to get a soda. I don't know how much stock Oh yeah yeah. Yeah. Strap you. For a soda are going to get his soda right. With the chores. Ok. I thought 1st yeah you can drink it. Good. Sure. You come on this property again and you won't believe me you understand I don't know are going about going to come are. Going to pay back my house. For. Him How do I. You Charlie coachmen. Of Jerry him New Jersey Ok if you get my life. On a corner. And if the county sheriff not you get out of here. And that is our guest will defo in the film the Florida project with Carl Bradford as your co actor there he was not an actor right. I think he was banned in some movies. He's a retired I believe Army veteran How is your role different when you're dealing with folks who kind of don't know the conventions of acting. Sean Baker made them very comfortable made a world that they could live in and. There was a lot of pressure to perform I'd say for them so they were very relaxed and live on the life and there's a sort of truth and clarity and practicality to what they're doing they aren't swinging for the fences they're not trying to deliver a big performance and the kids are just having fun and done the adults are just trying to make the scenes make sense to them so there's a. Practicality to what that that's beautiful and you hop on that and you kind of get over yourself and you leave that actor ego behind and you try to. Contribute to that world and be in that world you grew up in Wisconsin too or in a really big family right Dad was a doctor was a nurse you went to University of Wisconsin basically. Made your way to New York and co-founded an experimental theater called the Wister group which ended up being a something you were involved in for decades right right for like 27 years and to be fair I didn't actually called for Ok it really existed it grew out of a company called the performance group so technically speaking I am not a founder but I'm one of the earliest members how did you get from theater to film . You know I think the most significant thing was I people would see me at the theater and actually because I didn't have a manager I didn't have an agent and it was a downtown I've uncovered theater so it didn't have the same kind of aspirations and ambitions that most you know. Actors working off Broadway or off off Broadway had it defied that categorization it was a think by itself it was a it was a community theater for that community but the community happened to be so and the East Village in a time that there was a lot of cross-fertilization in a lot of great music conventions a lot of independent film a lot of new dance and theater so it was a very fertile time you got into film I guess around 1000 a.d. And it seems like it went quite well by in 1905 Your have a leading role in to live and die in l.a. Which is a great action film. And you know all actors besides the skill they bring bring their physical characteristics you know their build their ethnicity their face you have a distinct face I think a lot of people say I'm wondering as you did started doing auditions how did you think you were perceived for what kind of roles did you fit. While it was clear you know it's. When you do something that few people respond to what they want you to do and again so that they attribute the. Attributes of your character to you. So I played a lot of kind of dark characters kind of villainous characters so in the beginning I guess I was very conscious that they were casting me as villains you know he's a good bad guy and I you know I found that fun for a little while but then I was on guard and you know didn't want to be required to go to the same well all the time I wanted not that. Versatility is you know. And all the acting but I just felt like it was a little restrictive there are beautiful villain roles but some of them are written very shallow lay and are just really devices for the most interesting parts of the story to happen right well in 86 you did platoon that earned you your 1st Oscar nomination and I gather probably opened up a lot of other roles for you that it did but the irony was I remember this very well. It was a period of a lot of people making proposals to me but whether it was timing or whatever or. I just didn't find the right project for almost a year so you get attention because you're lifted out of the pack for a moment because when you do get a nomination that signs a light on you particularly if if you're not well known so it was it was a big leap. You know Career wise I suppose but it was funny that I couldn't find the right piece to do for like a year and then finally when I did find something very interesting script with a new director. It was a few things like the worst you know that talk about repeating yourself on paper it was a terrible thing to you know to follow up platoon with but very different kind of movie but it was a film called off limits and it was a studio film at Fox And that was the next thing I did and it was very difficult because I think it without judging the movie because some people really love that movie it wasn't a big success I don't think and it came in under one regime and the next scene really wanted to kill it so it was my 1st experience of being in a studio film where there were some studio politics at play so the director was always fighting with production and it was a difficult time and that was the follow up to. This beautiful experience of Platoon. There were pleasures and but it was tough and then I thought wow I've got to rethink this so I went back. As I always dad went back to theater and thought wow like I better do it again he. Know about this film stuff and then I was teaching and with the company doing workshops at the university and Massachusetts and it was summer time and I was staying at a very modest bed and breakfast. And I got a call one day Scorsese wants to see. And I said cool what about and I said well this Last Temptation of Christ which I had heard about but I had never gone in on everybody and their mother went in on this movie but not me. And I thought really what wrong I didn't says it if Jesus said. Well if you want to break out of playing villains I guess that's that's going to read as it is it is. And I thought it was strange I thought really and then I read the script and it made sense to me. Because the nature of how the story is told in. An exploration of the human. Part of this divine characters. Kept on board and that kind of slapped me out of the. You know. Thanks so much for speaking with us thank you for having me. 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