Transcripts For KNTV Late Night With Seth Meyers 20170401

[ cheers and applause ] announcer from 30 Rockefeller Plaza in new york, its late night with seth meyers. Tonight will forte, espn analyst jay bilas, host of msnbcs all in, journalist and author chris hayes, featuring the 8g band with charlie benante. Ladiesnd gentlemen, seth meyers. [ cheers and applause ] seth good evening, everybody. Im seth meyers. And this is late night. Hows everybody doing tonight . [ cheers and applause ] good to hear. In that case, lets get to the news. Fbi director james comey today confirmed that the agency is investigating possible links and coordination between President Trump and russia. Said one american, okay, but im still mad at you. [ laughter ] thats right. James comey confirmed that the fbi is looking for links between President Trump and the russian government. But so far, the only missing link theyve found is eric. [ laughter ] james comey also said today that he has found no information that supports President Trumps tweets that former president Obama Wiretapped trump tower. Added comey, to be fair, the only place weve checked is hillarys emails. [ laughter and applause ] you cant check her emails enough. According to a new survey, only 43 of u. S. Voters can name a Supreme Court justice. Said one voter, hey, i tried to name one, but they wouldnt let me. [ laughter ] so [ cheers and applause ] a moscow zoo is suing a company that hired one of its raccoons to appear in a commercial, saying that when the animal returned, it was attracted to womens breasts. Or as mike pence calls it, a successful conversion. [ laughter and applause ] we fixed your raccoon. [ laughter ] President Trump met with microsoft found bill gates today. Presumably to share their stories about living 40 years without changing their haircuts. [ light laughter ] today was barron trumps birthday. I want a new power ranger, yelled eric. [ laughter and applause ] a new study claims that physically attractive people have shorter relationships and are more likely to experience divorce than physically unattractive people. But what about when theres one of each . [ laughter ] [ audience oohs ] and again, im not saying which ones which. [ light laughter ] because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So maybe you think, you know, hes the hottie and shes not. If thats the case, go to the hospital. [ laughter ] because you probably had a stroke. [ light laughter ] and finally, a canadian woman last week proposed to her boyfriend at a hockey game with a bouquet of doritos made to look like roses. It even spawned a new flavor nacho boyfriend anymore. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and genltemen, got a great show for you tonight. Hes one of my favorite people on earth. Hes the star of foxs the last man on earth. Will forte is back on the show, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] hes an espn analyst here to fill us in on march madness. With us tonight, jay bilas, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] and a friend of our show. Emmywinning host of msnbcs all in. Hes got a new book, a colony in a nation. Chris hayes joins us tonight. [ cheers and applause ] always a delight to have chris with us. But before we get to all of that, today the fbi director confirmed for the first time that his agency is investigating possible coordination between Trump Campaign officials and the russian government. And he also refuted trumps claim that then president obama had him wiretapped. For more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] seth the hearing today only added to the ongoing chaos in the Trump White House. In fact, even on simple scheduling issues, the Trump White House has been disorganized. For example, on friday, trump bragged that he was holding a major meeting on Veterans Issues at maralago with his Veterans Affairs secretary David Shulkin sitting directly to his left. You would assume that a major v. A. Meeting would involve the v. A. Secretary, but watch shulkins face when trump asks him if hes going to be at the meeting. Were having a meeting tonight at what we call affectionately the southern white house. Seems to be the most convenient location. Everybody always wants to go to the southern white house. So, are you going to be at that meeting . You heard about it right . Its gonna be great. [ laughter ] seth he shakes he shakes his head like a tourist who gets called out at a stand up comedy show. Sir, where are you from . No, i dont wanna [ laughter ] is that your wife, sir . I dont wanna be involved in this. [ light laughter ] also, can we go back to what trump said about maralago for a second. The southern white house, which seems to be the most convenient location. Seth its not convenient everyone else works in washington, d. C. Youre the only one with a private club in florida that you can get to via air force one. Okay everybody. Staff meeting. Should we go to the Conference Room . No, go to kayak. Com. [ laughter ] also, there was a different name trump used to use for maralago. Like in this tweet, when he called it the winter white house. So why has he started calling it the southern white house and stopped calling it the winter white house . Because hes going to be there year round, mother [ bleep ] [ laughter and applause ] sorry. Im sorry. I feel bad now. I shouldnt say that. I should say, hes going to be there year round, taxpayers [ laughter ] of course, that wasnt the only awkward meeting trump held at the white house on friday. German chancellor Angela Merkel met with trump in the oval office which led to this embarrassing moment you may have seen by now when trump appeared to ignore an invitation from merkel to shake her hand. All right. Thank you. Handshake . Seth you know youre ice cold when even the german chancellor wants to warm things up. [ laughter ] look at him slump next to her like a beanbag. Like a high School Burnout who has to meet with the principal. Look at me, donald. Donald. [ laughter ] i hate school. [ cheers and applause ] and if trump looked grumpy on friday, you can only imagine how he felt today when fbi director james comey testified before congress and confirmed publicly for the first time the existence of an investigation into the trump teams ties to russia. The fbi, as part of our Counter Intelligence mission, is investigating the russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 president ial election. And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and the russian government. And whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russias efforts. Seth that is a huge, huge deal. And yet only 60 days into this administration you hear that, and youre like, eh. [ light laughter ] at this point, melania would have to take trump in a high speed chase in a ford bronco for us to say, this is unexpected. [ laughter ] this is a twist i didnt see coming. Now there have of course been lots of media reports about this already. But this is still a major revelation. But comey repeated that he could not comment on any specifics of the case. As you know, our practice is not to confirm the existence of Ongoing Investigations. We just cannot do our work well or fairly if we Start Talking about it while were doing it. Some folks may want to make comparisons to past instances where the department of justice and the fbi have spoken about the details of some investigations. Seth yeah, i know at least one person who might. [ light laughter ] im not saying comey cost clinton the election, but his name is definitely on the list that hillary mutters like arya stark when shes walking in the woods. [ laughter and applause ] james comey. Wikileaks. The hound. Anthony weiner. [ laughter ] so the fbi director confirmed that theres an Ongoing Investigation into the sitting president s team and his ties to russia. And yet the republicans on the committee were eager to focus on literally anything else. For example, the chairman of the committee, devin nunes, listed off states and asked the director of the National Security agency mike rogers, if the russians had tampered with votes in those states. An allegation no serious person has made or is concerned about at all. Do you have any evidence that russia cyber actors changed vote tallies in the state of michigan . No, i do not. How about the state of pennsylvania . No, sir. The state of wisconsin . No, sir. State of florida . No, sir. State of North Carolina . No, sir. That state of ohio. No, sir. Seth and i just have 44 more questions. [ light laughter ] and when they werent setting up straw men about physical vote tampering, republicans were pressing comey and rogers, not on any of the details on the investigation, but on leaks about the investigation. In fact, at one point, republican congressman trey gowdy asked rogers a series of questions about trump aides who had been named or unmasked by intelligence agencies as having contact with russians. And seemed to imply that former obama officials might have been the ones who leaked that information. Would National Security advisor susan rice have access to an unmasked u. S. Citizen name . I think any yes, in general. Would former attorney general Loretta Lynch have access to an unmasked u. S. Citizens name . In general, yes. Did you brief president obama on ill just ask you did you brief president obama on any calls involving Michael Flynn . Seth dude, you think obama was the leaker . Have you seen what hes been up to . That dude hasnt even been near wifi for two months now. [ light laughter ] even crazier, while the hearing was still happening, trump tweeted trump tweeted from the president s official account, the nsa and fbi Tell Congress that russia did not influence electoral process. But thats wrong. They didnt say that. So later in the same hearing, comey was asked to fact check trumps tweet about the hearing. Tweets he didnt know about because hed been at the hearing. So thanks to the modern technology thats in front of me right here, ive got a tweet from the president an hour ago saying the nsa and fbi Tell Congress that russia did not influence the electoral process. Thats not quite accurate, that tweet. [ light laughter ] sorry, i havent been following anybody on twitter while ive been sitting here. Weve offered no opinion, have no view, have no information on potential impact, because its never something we looked at. Seth witnesses in a hearing are now of Fact Checking the president s tweets about that hearing during the hearing. [ light laughter ] they might as well just throw to ernie, kenny and charles. [ light laughter ] charles, trump says russia did not influence the election. Your thoughts . Ernie, its terrible, its just terrible. [ laughter ] he is not going to make it to the next round. Now, the main reason the fbi thinks russia was trying to help trump win is because putin famously hated hillary clinton. But at one point during the hearing, texas congressman mike conaway questioned how the fbi could know that, using a very confusing College Football analogy. Putin hated secretary clinton so much that the flip side of that coin was he had a clear preference for the person running against the person he hated so much. That might work on saturday afternoon when the wifes red raiders are playing the texas longhorns. She really likes the red raiders. That assessments based on what . Part of it is the logic. Whoever the red raiders are playing, you want the red raiders to win, by definition you want their opponent to lose. I know. But this says that you wanted both of them he wanted her to lose, wanted him to win. Is that right, theyre inseparable. Its a two person right, right. Event. I got you. So im just wondering when you decided you wanted him to win . Logically, when he wanted her to lose. [ laughter and applause ] seth theres Nothing Better than watching someone dumb it down with a sports analogy and then lose the thread of that dumb sports analogy. [ light laughter ] well, if he wanted hillary to lose, that means he wanted trump to win. Well maybe, he wanted hillary to win, but he wanted donald to cover the spread. [ laughter ] the hearing then moved on to the Trump Administrations outlandish claim that obama had wiretapped him using the british spying agency know as gchq. Nsa director mike rogers responded forcefully to that claim. Did you ever request that your counterparts in gchq should wiretap mr. Trump on behalf of president obama . No, sir, nor would i. Seth there you have it, america. You can either trust the director of the National Security agency or the guy who thinks tap is spelled with two ps. [ laughter ] all of this, of course, raises the question once again of where the president gets his information. Because we are now at the point where the crazy things the president says are making their way to the halls of congress and wasting the time of allies, intelligence officials, and the fbi director. So last week on fox news, trump was asked a very simple question of what he reads and watches and gave this convoluted answer. What do you read . What do you watch . Well, you know, i love to read. Actually, im looking at a book. Im reading a book. Im trying to get started. Every time i do about a half a page i get a phone call that theres some emergency, this or that. But were going to see the home of Andrew Jackson today in tennessee, and im reading a book on Andrew Jackson. I love to read. Seth i dont think you do. [ laughter ] i love reading. Im reading this great haiku right now. Im about halfway through it, and its really getting good. Seriously, donnie, are you really reading a book . [ laughter ] i hate school. [ cheers and applause ] this has been a closer look. Well be right back with more late night, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] we know how it feels to be treated like a trophy. Waxed and shined. We have seen the glory come, go, and come again. 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Birds dont exist. Theyre gonna know someones here. Okay, ill make a wind sound. Seth please welcome back to the show our very good friend will forte, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth hi, buddy hi. How are you . Seth im so happy to see you. Im happy to see you. Seth and im very excited that your show is coming back. It is my favorite show on tv right now. I love it. Thank you very much. Seth ive missed it. And i want to talk, because you got to go to the critics Choice Awards. Which must have been a lot of fun. It was, very, very fun. I got to bring my mom, patty. Seth your mom, patty forte. Patty forte. Seth who is just a you are a fantastic son. You bring her to things like the critics Choice Awards. How does patty behave in an award show like the critics Choice Awards . Shes a questionable behavior. Seth okay. [ light laughter ] not perfect behavior . I mean, shes trying her hardest. Seth okay. And like little, little things, she kate beckinsale, i think came and presented an award, or at least was walking around. And she leaned over, and she said, oh my god, is that kate blankin[ bleep ] . [ laughter ] its like, nobodys name is gonna have that in it. You know . [ light laughter ] seth if you were a young actress and your last name was blankin[ bleep ], youd change your name. Yeah, to like [ bleep ]. Probably, right . [ light laughter ] [ bleep ]. Multiple [ bleep ]. Seth kate [ bleep ]. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seth shes so beautiful. Such a wonderful actress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seth maybe she was kate [ bleep ] and she changed her name or maybe she was blankin[ bleep ] and she changed her name to beckinsale and your mom remembered that. Or maybe she was blankin[ bleep ] and changed her name to beckinsale to change it back to blankin[ bleep ] at some point. Seth okay. You never know. Just like a, blankin[ bleep ] sandwich. Seth we dont know. A beckinsale sandwich on blankin[ bleep ] bread. Sorry. [ light laughter ] seth anybody else . Was there anybody else there she was excited to see . Oh, she gets excited about everybody. Seth okay. Shes like, there it yeah, theres just tons of people. Seth thats great. We were sitting with, like, all the modern family group. Seth thats very good. She was very excited about that. Seth for moms thats good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seth i know that you are very close to your family. Yeah. Seth and you have a sister with, you have a niece and a nephew. Yep. Seth six and seven. Lanie and aldin. Now theyre eight and seven. Seth eight and seven. Yeah. Seth and what though, weirdly, the younger one is the 8yearold now. And [ light laughter ] yeah, yeah. Seth so, the seven year old is still seven . Stayed the same, its very yeah. Seth is that how you saw it going . Is this i dont even plan these things anymore. You know, you just see how they grow up. Seth well, thats what they say about kids. You let them find their own way. Yeah, exactly. Seth some of them are going to continue to mature. Its, you know, global warming. [ laughter ] seth they have a nickname for you, though. Your yes, they do. They call me uncle stinky. Seth uncle stinky. Yes. Seth and what did they how did they come up with the name uncle stinky . I dont know. [ light laughter ] seth okay. Im gonna read you posted this, this is a read this text. This your sister sent, to you. Read the text. This is a text from my sister, who came down to visit, this weekend with my seven year old oh, maybe i oh, they oh god, maybe i got their ages wrong. Seth okay. [ light laughter ] okay. Seth what does it say . My apologies. But this is a quote from your nephew to your niece just now. Hey, lanie, did you pull uncle wills finger oh, god, let me start over. Hey, lanie, did you pull uncle wills finger while youre there . Lanie, says, no, but he did fart while we were there. [ light laughter ] seth so you dont even a lot of uncles need the fingers to be pulled to fart. But you just let it rip anyway. I you know its like just a couple, you know farts here and there in a kids upbringing, and suddenly youre just, you cant escape it. Seth youre uncle stinky. Now im uncle stinky forever. Seth you talk about this like this an outlier, for you to have farted in front of people. But i have heard that Mary Steenburgen, one of your fantastic costars on the show, that she that you fart in front of her every day of the show. Well, it was a challenge from her. Seth it was a challenge . Mary challenged me to audibly fart every single day on set. Seth how did and i came through. Seth you do it every day. I came through. Every day. Seth do you do it yeah. [ cheers and applause ] challenge met. How does it how do you do it, is it for everyone . Out of my butt . [ laughter ] it, it, it depends, there are different degrees of privacy involved. Seth okay. So sometimes its very public and sometimes its just like, hey mary, come here. And i think she always knows when theres a come here that theres a fart in her very near future. Look, i would never do this unless seth youd be challenged, you know . Is there ever a time, where because it has to be audible, is that correct . Yes. Seth so is that have had one she hasnt heard . Oh, some dont count. Seth oh. Yeah, they only count if she hears them. Seth so youll do one and then you gotta go brew up a whole another one for later in the day . I have a pretty good brewing mechanism. [ light laughter ] so its a forte family thing. Its a bummer. Its a bummer. Seth its a bummer about for people around me. Seth yeah, its not bad for you. Yeah, im fine with it. Seth and you, as a lover, as a connoisseur of the gaseous arts im not a lover of them, no. Seth oh, okay. You know, i dabble in them, but im not i wouldnt say i love that its my seth oh, you its like the devil. Is he happy that he, you know, does malicious things . No, but thats what he does. And so he [ laughter ] seth ive never heard that take on the devil. [ laughter ] that hes just like punching in every day, doing evil things and then punching out, saying, well, its a living. [ light laughter ] youve got to hang out more, i guess. Seth but you so Mary Steenburgen well this is another this is you, this is the good forte. Because like i dont want to just about the stuff that comes out of your butt. I want to talk about the stuff that comes out of your heart. Because, mary, a dear friend i thought you were good. I thought you were about to say, i dont want to just talk about the things that come out of your butt. I want to talk about the things that go into your butt. [ laughter ] i was like, this is way better, where youre going with this. Youre getting very good at this job. [ laughter ] okay. Seth that would have been a very bad segue. I know because we yeah. Seth we havent ever talked about that. I mean, talk about ask me these things before the show and such. Seth right, right, right. You mary, she was here talking about it. Yeah. Seth her aunt, 92 years . 93 . 92. I think she might have been turning. She was either turning 92 or 93. I think it was 93. Seth and you went to her birthday in little rock. Yeah. Seth and was that fun . It was so much fun. Mary was there with ted danson. Seth yeah, her husband. And i had been on a road trip with john solomon. Seth fantastic guy, one of our all time favorites. And met up with Kristen Schaal and her husband in nashville. Mary let us stay at her place in nashville while she was down in little rock. So we were thinking, like then we went down to the party in little rock. But along the way, we were like, weve got to do Something Really Nice for her, because shes, you know, pulling out all the stops. Seth yeah, letting you stay in her home. Shes the best host of all time. So we decided that we would just give get her every place we went, every restaurant, because we were going to be delicious restaurants, we would bring doggy bags of the stuff we did not eat. Seth oh. As a thank you. And like so we would give her a little taste of our trip. Seth okay, gotcha. Like she could, you know, and we were on the road for a good four days before we met up with her. Seth okay. And so you brought four days worth of doggy bags. And i have a photo here, because you presented them to ted danson. Yeah. Seth and he seems pretty enthusiastic. He loved it. Seth here he is. Here he is when he got his doggy bags, here. [ laughter ] right after this he just tore into them. [ light laughter ] yeah. Seth one last thing. This is now kind of a famous tweet. I want to know if this was a coincidence or you did this on purpose. Trump President Trump he tweeted this writing his inaugural address at the winter white hour maralago, three weeks ago. Looking forward to my friday, inauguration. And then it turns out, this is very similar to how you wrote the Season Finale of the last man on earth. At the fallbrook office. Chatsworth, three minutes ago. So thats crazy. Very similar seth like you guys are very similar guys. Processes, yeah. Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth hes like, yeah hes like your soul mate. Yeah, yeah. Very handsome. Seth hes very handsome. [ light laughter ] buddy, i cant wait for your show to come back. Thank you very much. Seth i cant say enough great things about it, or you. Aw. Seth its such a delight to have you here. Give it up for will forte, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. Seth the last man on earth airs sunday nights on fox. Well be right back with more late night. [ cheers and applause ] Liberty Mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. Yeah, my dad says our insurance doesnt have that. 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Its your paradise perfected with behr premium plus low odor paint. The best you can buy starting under 25. Unbelievable quality. Unbeatable prices. Only at the home depot. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Please give it up for the 8g band right over there. [ cheers and applause ] also, this weeks drummer is from one of the big four pioneers in thrash metal, anthrax, whose new album for all kings is out now. And a u. S. Tour kicks off next week at the wellmont theater in mountclair, new jersey. Charlie benante is here. [ cheers and applause ] welcome, charlie. So happy to have you. Thank you. Seth our next guest is a College Basketball analyst and author. You can see his march madness coverage all month long on espn. Please welcome to the show jay bilas, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome thank you. Seth so march is the best possible time to have jay bilas on your show. So thank you for making some time for us. Oh, its my honor, thank you. Seth and this is the first march madness ive ever cared about. I went to northwestern. This was our first tournament ever. Yep. Seth and i thought we did pretty well for ourselves. Great. Seth yeah. Did great. Chris collins did a great job. Your team was really good. Seth really good. We lost to gonzaga, which was the one seed in the west. There was a call that went against northwestern. Theres theres the northwestern player. Now the gonzaga player, it seems like his hand is going through the net. [ light laughter ] it doesnt seem like it. It was. Seth through the hoop. So thats against the rules. Against the rules. Seth okay, cool. Just checking, just checking. Yeah. [ light laughter ] seth but it was interesting so you went to duke. I did. Seth played on a National Championship team. I actually played on a team that made the final four and made the championship game. Seth apologies. And we lost. Seth to northwestern, thats like winning it all. We lost to [ light laughter ] we lost to louisville my senior year. Seth sorry to bring up that bad memory. But im sure you guys tried your hardest. But i want to ask this, because i feel like everybody was happy for northwestern this year. I feel like next year everybody will just hate northwestern, because theyll be were insufferable. And theres a lot of northwestern people in the media. And so, northwestern got a lot of coverage this year. Duke, which lost this week, it seems like people are really happy when duke loses unless you went to duke. Yes. Seth yeah. Yes. Seth is that hard . No, youre kind of used to it by now. Seth yeah. Its been going on for so many years. Seth yeah. It started probably in the late 80s, early 90s. Its just ratcheted up since then. [ light laughter ] seth you made it right after you left, by the way. You left in 86. And then youre like, late 80s, people seem to turn against duke. Yeah, after they [ laughter ] after the nice guys left. Seth yeah. Its something you get used to. I dont claim to understand it. Seth right. But i am used to it. And im not bothered by it. The thing i get most often, as a basketball commentator, ill go somewhere where they dont like duke and someone will say, i hate duke, but i dont hate you. [ light laughter ] and im like, well, thank you. Just the general dislike or, you know . How deep does it go . Seth obviously, you still root for duke. How do you balance i wont say that. Seth well thats my question about, like, bias and being a commentator and watching these things. Like where do you i guess, where is your heart during the games . My heart is with having a good game and calling it right down the middle. Being so involved in this, you see both teams practice and all the preparation that goes into it. Not only the coaches, but the players, how bad each team wants to win. Seth yeah. If i were rooting for teams, id never get through a day. Seth yeah. I watch hundreds of games a year. So its really not a big deal to me. But, you know, when we worked with bill raftery and sean mcdonough, we always went out with the winners. So we really didnt care who won. [ laughter ] we went and had drinks with the winning coach and the losing coach we just kind of waved to. [ light laughter ] and pretended it didnt happen. Seth thats a smart way to go about things. You played for coach k. What is it about him, whats something that those of us who feel like we know him, because weve seen him for so many years, might not know about coach k . You might not know . You mean stuff he does . Seth yeah. Well, he gardens. Seth oh, okay. At least, im told he gardens. Ive never seen him do it. It might actually be like basketball where he just yells at the landscape crew [ laughter ] you know, has them do it. Seth he recruits the best landscapers. [ light laughter ] yeah, yeah. Exactly. But he gardens, and hes a wine enthusiast. Seth all right. Now theres something i didnt know about you. You had an acting career. I wouldnt call it a career. Seth a brief acting career. You played an alien. Right. Seth what was the name of the film . It was called i come in peace. Seth i come in peace. Dolph lundrgren was the seth dolph lundgren. The other star. Seth the other star. [ light laughter ] right, it was a lundgrenbilas mashup. And you do not look like you come in peace, based on that photo. [ laughter ] how did you end up in this film, jay . I did when i was playing pro basketball overseas, i started doing some commercial work during the summertime. Seth uhhuh. So i did some ads and everything, i got an agent. The agent asked me if ive ever acted before. And my response was a school play. Seth yeah. And he said, well if you ill send you on a read, see if you like the process. Then well send you on some more if you like it. And i wound up getting that part out of the first read that i did. And it was one of the coolest things. But back then i had a lot of hair. And they shaved my head from the middle forward and then put Hair Extensions on the back. It wasnt an attractive look. [ light laughter ] day to day it may have looked good in the movie, but day to day, it didnt help me with women. Seth and was even when you told him that you were one of the stars of i come in peace . No. [ light laughter ] it was just easier to get sympathy. I told him i was sick. [ laughter ] seth thats how good the film was. You could do better with ladies saying youre i still have the review from the Los Angeles Times which says i come in peace should go away. [ laughter ] i kept that. They were wrong, obviously. Seth you mentioned playing overseas. You played in italy . Where did you play . I played in italy for a couple of years and then played in spain after that. Seth gotcha. And i feel like theres a sense that, you know, american fans are the rowdiest. Not that you found it a lot worse over there. Yeah, they were rowdy. There were times when fans you know, you had plexiglass on those dug outs that you would sit in at the bench. Sometimes the crowds would throw coins down at you. And the really bad crowds would heat the coins with a cigarette lighter and throw them. You know, i was trying to make as much money as i could, so id pick them up. [ laughter ] it didnt happen, it didnt happen that often. Seth nothing more italian to me than a guy taking out a cigarette, heating up a coin and then chucking it at somebody. I mean truthfully, it only happened a couple of times. But it was pretty funny. But afterwards, they would scream at you the whole game. And then afterwards, theyd want to go out and have a drink. Seth exactly. They like to go out with the winners, just like you. Yeah, exactly. Seth so what are you what is your pick . Who do you thinks going to win this tournament . I thought from the beginning that North Carolinas the best team. When they play their best, they havent always played their best this year, but i like their draw. They play butler in the sweet sixteen. And then if they win, they would get the winner of uclakentucky. Those would be track meets if they wound up getting in those games. Butlers going to be an a little bit of a slower game. But North Carolinas got a great opportunity to win this thing. Seth and best player in the tournament . Probably frank mason of kansas and then Caleb Swanigan of purdue. But the guy that everybodys been talking about is lonzo ball of ucla. Seth freshman at ucla. Hes a jason kiddtype point guard whose father has been talking a lot. Seth yes, i believe the father said he could beat jordan one on one. The father said he could beat jordan. And then he said that his son, lonzo, is better than steph curry. Seth right. Which is a little bit of a stretch. [ light laughter ] but who knows . Like Richard Williams said a lot of things about serena and venus that turned out to be right. Seth right. Earl woods said a lot of things about tiger, turned out to be right. Maybe levar ball is the nostradamus of basketball. Seth well, there you go. His sons really good. Seth certainly something to keep our eyes on. Thank you so much for making the time. We really appreciate it, jay. [ cheers and applause ] jay bilas, everybody. Follow him on twitter jaybilas. Well be right back with chris hayes. [ cheers and applause ] [laughs] you have a side that is retired playing tag and gettin tired. You have a side that saves for their tuition. But right now it looks like bedtime is the mission. A side that owns your own store. Looks like you need to expand some more. Thats why theres nationwide. They help protect and grow your many sides. Nationwide is on your side. And is chockfullers poof protein. En [ band practicing ] its a great snack to keep them going. 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[ light laughter ] seth and we had some predictions on how things would go, but this has, i would say has even run afield of that. Wouldnt you say . Yeah, i mean i think the big thing i think that the day after the election that we talked about a little bit is, you know, in american politics every action has an equal and opposite reaction. What would be the reaction . And weve seen it. I mean, its sort of remarkable to watch this sort of mobilization happening, this fight over health care. Its been pretty astounding to watch whats happened in the last two months. Seth because we talked about the speed in which the Republican Party would try to disassemble the accomplishments of the obama administration. And it seems like what theyre running up against is all of a sudden, theres this sense of maybe you didnt like obamacare, but you are more afraid of what no obamacare is. Yeah, and very much i think theres a respect in which a huge part of their base benefits from some of the things they want to get rid of. Seth mmhmm. So the front page cover of the charleston gazette in West Virginia, the day after budget was budget hits West Virginia. Right . And West Virginia went for donald trump by 40 points or Something Like that. The fact of the matter is, West Virginia depends on things like the Appalachian Regional Council thats going to get cut. They depend on things like medicaid expansion. So ultimately, politics is about what happens in peoples lives. And if you hammer people, theyre not going to be happy. Seth especially when you promised answers and solutions without ever having laid out any of the details. Thats exactly exactly right. Or continuing to do the same. Seth yeah. I mean, theres this sort of threeprong strategy to everything is any policy question the president says, current policy is a disaster. Were going to change the policy. Our policys going to be great. Seth and youve interviewed and done a great job interviewing people who represent the Trump Administration and the Republican Party. And sometimes, particularly within the Trump Administration, they will just not give an answer. No matter how many times you ask it, no matter how many times you rephrase it. They can just really dig in. They can. And theres i think, partly theres this sort of fundamental mismatch of what he ran on and what they want to do and what theyre actually doing. And theres no bridge between the two for them to be able to explain themselves. So when you talk to a republican member of congress, you just say, whatever you think of health care, defend the speed with what youre passing this bill. Its a little hard to do. Seth yeah. Especially since they criticized a much longer process. A much, much longer process. And look, there were parts about that process that were worthy of criticism. Seth absolutely. But it was the case that, you know, that bill gets introduced in june or july, it gets voted on in november. Were talking about less than three weeks from bill text to passage in the house for one fifth of the american economy. Thats really fast. Seth thats really fast the fastest. [ light laughter ] so i want to talk about this book, a colony in a nation. This was inspired by 2000 which convention was it . It was 2000. Seth the Democratic Convention . The Republican Convention in philadelphia. Seth philadelphia. And you accidently had weed on you. I did. I my seth like somebody accidently put it there . Yeah. It showed up there. Seth gotcha. No, my fatherinlaw is a reporter in chicago, a guy named andy shaw. And he was covering the convention in philadelphia. My then girlfriend, now wife, and i decided itll be interesting, civically, to go down. And we were going through the multilayered checkpoint, and ive got my bag. And at one point we go through one checkpoint and i think oh, my goodness, ive got 30 worth of weed in an eyeglass case. Seth uhhuh. Which was not i didnt normally carry around weed, but i happened to be at this moment. Seth yeah. And so [ light laughter ] hi, mom. [ laughter ] seth yeah, exactly. And so we go through, you know, these checkpoints. Finally, we get to one. And theres a philly cop, he goes through my bag, he through each compartment, he takes out the eyeglass case, and he shakes it. And he opens it. And he turns around, and im like and i feel this panic. And im so panicked. And i so want to be delivered from the situation, i go up to my future fatherinlaw and i say, uh, andy, the police just found weed in my bag. [ light laughter ] and i was like, why would you bring weed to the convention . And at that very moment, they said, sir, is this your bag . And i am positive im going to grab and get handcuffed. And i take it and i go in the building. And i thought about that moment as i was in the streets of ferguson and in baltimore, covering all this stuff with policing in which theres this moment where things could have gone so differently. Where this sort of mercy was extended to me, partly because i think the Police Officer said this is not dangerous, this persons not dangerous. They extend him the benefit of the doubt. This is going to be a hassle. And that benefit of the doubt, that moment, that judgment, that latitude that was granted to me is so different than the way the system operates on so many other people. Seth so explain what a colony in a nation, where that comes from and where we currently are in this nation as far as our colony and our nation. So richard nixon, 1968, gives this speech, this sort famous law and order speech at the miami Republican Convention. And hes talking about law and order. And at one point, he sort of says as an aside, you know, he says, black people in this country want to be equal and they dont want to be just sort of recipients of state aid. They dont want to be a colony in a nation. And i read that phrase as i was thinking of writing this book, and i had seen in ferguson and seen in baltimore, a relationship between citizens and police that looked much more like the subjects of a colonizing or occupying army, and theyre occupiers. And that phrase stuck in my head that what we have created in many respects is precisely a colony in a nation. Weve created a sort of compartmentalized part of American Life in which the law functions on people the way that occupation does. And its a kind of relationship that our founders themselves rebelled against when they fought the revolution. Seth donald trump talks about himself as a law and order [ applause ] yeah, absolutely. Donald trump talks about himself as a law and order candidate. This feels a lot more you sort of draw the distinction between what law is and what order is and how he is far more order than law. This is to me the key point. That when we hear that phrase law and order, they run together in our head, right . But the law is a complicated thing. And when people say, well, this unauthorized immigrant has broken the law. My response to them always is, have you broken the law . Have you broken the law . And the answer to that question is yes. To everyone sitting in this room and everyone watching at home, the answer is yes. Youve driven over the speed limit. Youve gotten behind the wheel with one too many drinks. Youve maybe stolen a candy bar as a teenager. There are so many ways in which the way we enforce the law is dependent on how we think about the social order and who threatens it. And what law and order functionally does is it maintains a certain kind of social work. 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