There what's his name Vincent was. Do you like your. Chances that's so sure yeah that's a really big deal and I'm going to cry actually. He just pretended with you Ben why is this a big deal he's 11 don't all 11 year olds pretend Yeah but see the difference here though is that Vincent is severely autistic and he doesn't really speak much and so to his mom on this is this huge step forward he was pretending that the teddy bear was talking and at the end he said Hi My name is Flash teddy bear and so he had his teddy bear over here at the microphone talking and like that's never happened guys so that's a really big deal. Because of Vincent's autism he struggles to for more that he is getting better at that epilepsy so for much of his childhood his had to struggle with multiple seizures and dad and that's why Vincent is a medical marijuana patient he uses it to treat his seizures Michelle also claims though that it's helping with the art as I'm getting rid of it so a few times a day Michelle fills the syringe with cannabis oil and she sweats it and of incense mouth thank you. Notes in all that I told is super and I go back to be given is very easy and that's it and he takes it he knows that he needs it or when he doesn't need it like Earlier I asked you hey do you need your medicine Vince and he says no. Or if he's having a really rough day and he does need to take him I've asked him before feeding major medicine he's like behaviors like just yelling getting help and a bad back you said like Ok dude so given his medicine it's cool. Michelle and Vincent they live here in Colorado so she can take. Card to any dispensary and get his medicine right. Not any dispensary medical marijuana dispensaries are starting to disappear in Colorado with help from my colleague Ben we're going to dig into why this matters. Medical marijuana actually is different from recreational marijuana in some important ways 1st of all it's more potent right specially when it comes to out of bulls and oils and medical marijuana is cheaper stacks of completely different ways so it for people who are on the medical side who are using lots of it that makes a big difference right but most importantly Vincents a minor and this is the only way that he can legally consume these products and the stores that are allowed to carry them are vanishing due to the growing popularity of recreational wheat in Denver Medical store licenses have fallen more than 30 percent since recreational sales began in 2014 and this is playing out in states across the country that have legalized both recreational and medicinal marijuana for Morgan to Washington to Alaska the number of people who are in rolled in medical marijuana programs is shrinking fast. So on today's episode is medical marijuana on the way out and if so what does the future hold for a kid like Vincent. This is on something stories about life after legalization I mean. On this show we talk about people's relationships with weed and today how states that have recreational marijuana may not be looking after their medical marijuana patients. To tell the story let me formally introduce Ben Markus He's our reporter here at Colorado Public Radio and he's covered the cannabis industry for years not just the business side of things either right I was put on the beat after recreational marijuana passed in Colorado in 2012 the day after the editors are like whoa this thing passed we need a reporter's going to cover this thing for the next few years so that was me yes man till I came along so you're going to goodness because I was done with you're buried under way it was really the only be I've ever covered where I smelt like it afterwards. So Ben you and I have been covering marijuana in Colorado for a while and I think it's easy for us to forget how controversial a story like Vincent's can be I mean here's a kid who uses marijuana daily. It's not uncommon to see kids as the face of medical marijuana these days but there are only like 350 kids give or take in Colorado on the medical marijuana registry doesn't sound like a lot so a lot of people but after legalization passed in Colorado for recreational cannabis in 2012 Colorado was in the headlines in newspapers all across the world and people who had kids who were really 6 maybe I should get my medicine there too like Colorado is this open place this phenomenon developed called Marijuana refugee it's people traveling from all over the country to try to see if they can find a driver to possibly help their kids people like Michelle who used to live in Texas . Take me back to the very beginning of what was what was pregnancy and birth like everything seemed perfectly normal us is pretty typical at the beginning you know a little colic restlessness but overall he was pretty healthy when did you 1st notice that something where your isn't quite right. It's hard because when I look back at pictures I can tell but when I was in the throes of it I noticed around 14 to 16 months is when he I noticed that he didn't speak at all he couldn't even direct like if he was hungry or if he was thirsty all he could do was cry and so I told his doctors like I what's going on doctor said nah it's normal to boil talk when he's 2 and I'm like you don't understand and so a couple months pass I go back and like he still doesn't talk and he said fine you know he placated means at me to a speech therapist and we met with this therapist in about 30 minutes into the. Evaluation and she stops and choose I want you to know that I think your son could have autism I can't diagnose him as such but. That's what it looks like and I'm just like a brick wall I mean it was not even in my realm of possibilities and everyone thought about it. So spent his early years in south Texas where he was born that's right and so shortly after this visit with this speech therapist Vincent gets a formal diagnosis from a doctor who says that he has autism now Michele is determined to keep Vincent and bear in mind that she's a single mom she's doing this on her own and Vincent doesn't just have autism he has all these other things he's got o.c.d. He's got a.d.h. Got sensory processing disorder and these are conditions that co-exist with autism it doesn't make it any easier she's experimenting with different diets and medicines and so let's fast forward a little bit he's 5 years old now he still can't talk but he's actually stable enough she says to go to school so. I get a call from school one day and they say something's going on with Vincent he was shaking I said oh my God he's having a seizure so we need to take into the hospital and he was upright and he was able to you know his cognisant but he had clearly had a physical manifestation of a seizure so at the hospital the doctors discover something disturbing this wasn't Vincent's 1st seizure and there's no way to tell actually how long this has been going on he was seizing about every 10 seconds and we had no idea. He he had something called Absence Seizures and so it would look like he was just ignoring you were just doing his own thing. It is incredible I mean to discover that your kid has been having seizures right in front of you and you have no way of knowing that they just couldn't see it but now they can and now it's a crisis on top of all the other things they have to deal with right now epilepsy is different from some of the other things he's dealing with because this is life threatening now seizures can lead to brain damage that can lead to injuries and so Michelle and her doctors are now adding different medicines to Vincent and there's this one it's an anticonvulsant called Keppra one of the side effects of Capra is something affectionately known as kept rage. Aggression uncontrollable aggression and dad that's what happened he became severely aggressive and his seizures weren't still completely controlled. Ben I'm curious because you have a kid. You were there when Michelle gave a dose of insulin in what was going through your mind when you saw that so when I started this project I thought I have a 5 year old daughter and I talk to these doctors and I thought there is no way that I would give marijuana to my daughter if she was sick because the doctors are saying look we haven't really tested this right you know what the side effects are we don't know what the dosing is but when you meet people like Michelle and Vincent and they're in a desperate situation and this is a kid who is very ill and you realize as a parent you'll do anything to help your child and it's cannabis Let's try and see what happens so it's around this time that Michelle is in touch with other parents with autistic kids and it's almost amazing how these natural groups for around parents and dealing with these issues in this one particular group it's called Mama mother's advancing medic. Marijuana for autism and a few of them suggested that maybe she tried giving cannabis to Vincent I said yeah that's cool thanks for shared and that's as far as it went because Michelle was not taking cannabis seriously as a treatment option for her very sick son until one day not long after Vincent's epilepsy had emerged the head of mom dropped or a line the president kind of popped in my inbox can goes Hey Michelle I know you're going through a lot of really praying for you if you ever want to talk and if you want to talk a little bit more about some options I mean Mike Ok yeah now's the time now we're going to talk so we talked but really that's all Michelle could do she is living in Texas right so the Lone Star State has medical cannabis but it's the Texas version it's far more restrictive Vincent could qualify because the state allows it for epilepsy but it's smaller doses too small to be of any use to Vincent Plus Texas is not exactly brimming with dispensaries like Colorado or California there is one in the whole freaking state of Texas right so Michelle realizes pretty quickly the Texas system is not going to work for Vincent in this so around this time Michelle's boyfriend Scott he became so invested that he would join Michelle things like autism conferences where he heard a doctor speak about cannabis as a possible treatment and got listen to him talk and he walks out he goes Michelle we have to move to Colorado and I'm like What are you talking about we're not moving to Colorado you retired from the Air Force here this is where we are you've been here this is our home no we need to move to Colorado and by the way will you marry me. We got engaged that weekend and then we said All right we're moving to Colorado. They became medical marijuana refugees like we mentioned earlier the 1st they have to visit Colorado and find a place to live. After that they have to see maybe events and will even respond to medical marijuana and so the whole family goes looking for houses the fall of 2017 and while they're here they buy some cannabis legally and they decide to give a little bit of it to him so it's like lunch time the weather's nice and Michelle and Scott decide to administer the 1st dose of cannabis to Vincent on the outdoor patio of this restaurant where do you expect decency which that matter is. That the aggression would go away and that maybe it would unlock the living person on the inside and not the person that we saw on the outside that was was the result of the pharmaceuticals and we got it in spades I mean when he took his 1st dose he suddenly wanted to hug with us and he gave golden and he became very happy and it was obvious that it wasn't a high that it was a completely different kind of effect on him and that it just it really did unlock the person on the inside and it led us I remember Michelle said it she said it was like meeting her son for the 1st time or imagine for a 2nd album or feel that is right feeling like you've met your sobbing for the 1st time so as big as it sounds to move from Texas to Colorado the family has decided that this is the right move for them. Then I think it's important that we offer some kind of disclaimer here right so I talked to several doctors who are specialists and these fields of epilepsy and autism and doctors tell me that there is some promise in terms of research for marijuana as a fact of best for epilepsy when it comes to autism it's pretty thin but as one doctor told me quote It's not going to set your kid on fire unquote And so if you have somebody who is a tough case it's not the end of the world to give it a try Michelle and Scott thought they found some kind of miracle but that isn't the end of their story. 2 years ago Michelle and Scott now married moved from Texas to Colorado so they can get access to medical marijuana for Vincent but nowadays it's not as accessible as it once was this is a problem on the business end of things so when we sent you out to find someone who could explain exactly what's changed so I want to introduce you to Tim Cullen he owns Colorado Harvest Company he's become kind of a marijuana mogul and the years that I've been interviewing him on this beat He's tall he's in his mid forty's and he lets us into his house and I have to admit I was a little shocked hamdu Yes please. Explain that this fee you know what are your views of the front range there's this really cool art on the walls and this salt water fish tank that kind of stops you in your tracks because like living part to watch the 1st walk down here when it gets dark I thought if I could figure out how this house could be my house I'm going to try to figure that out and it all worked out wow this is the house that legal weed built right but it all started with medical cannabis Tim's interest in weed it actually goes back to his childhood in Colorado his dad was a Vietnam veteran now he didn't openly smoke in front of his children but he didn't really hide it either my father just on my brother and I on Saturdays one of the jobs that he always gave us was cleaning his cars and so. When they were cleaning out one of cars and we found about a half a joint and we decided we're going to put it in the garage in a place where if you asked for it we could we could find it again but if he didn't ask for it we were going to wait for a while and see if that thing couldn't disappear. So yeah that was the 1st time that I ever took myself and lo and behold he never asked for it so that was also the 1st time. So that's when we had was mostly about for 10 minutes that. They realize they have Crohn's disease which is this kind of. We're not going to get into all of the details right but from I understand it's a condition that involves a lot of pain and this is not the 1st time I've heard people using marijuana to treat that pain marijuana helps him says he sees an opportunity here both him and his dad are using it maybe he can help other people so this is the mid 2000 Colorado we've legalized medical cannabis a few years before and the law allows homeowners to kind of grow plants for other people and so Tim starts to put together these different patients and grow for them and around this time Tim's kind of unsatisfied with his job as a high school biology teacher ways the show about a high school science teacher makes. Is really popular Breaking Bad bad cereal Breaking Bad jokes but he starts experimenting with growing medical marijuana he was already an avid gardeners parents were both gardeners and so he goes out to get some starter plants to get some grow lights and he fills the basement with weed something his wife isn't exactly thrilled with at 1st but at the same time to explain to her you know she she knew I had that I was dealing with the trends thing she knew my father was dealing with it also so I just sort of was what it was it was it was more like it's more like a craft your hobby that someone might have in their basement and like something that you're thinking about like it wasn't too breaking bad at that point I was just dabbling a little bit dabbling a little bit is an understatement Tim becomes an expert in growing cannabis and over time he starts to think I can do more than just help people with this I might be able to make some money off of it and since his life really changed on this one kind of really busy fateful day as a day never forget I woke up early in the morning with my letter of resignation so tim is all and now it's 2000. 9 the height of the recession he cashes out his teacher retirement savings about $80000.00 and he plows into this new business venture he had been teaching for 8 years in high school he shows up one day hands in his letter of resignation and then he goes straight from there to leasing out this kind of moldy warehouse in southwest done for you have to remember also that that was the the recession was going on at that point too in this building it's out vacant for a while so landlords had some incentive to rent to some people maybe they otherwise wouldn't have not that I was shady but in the business was was a little shady in terms of not being heavily regulated then once he signs the lease it's official old career as high school biology teacher is over new career as fledgling marijuana business owner had started and then it was time to actually break the news to his parents over lunch this is all happening in the same day my mom just about fell off the high top barstool that we were having lunch on and they were really concerned about like the safety aspects of it and what what what does this mean what are you really doing with this and I don't have a lot of answers because we just hadn't done it yet I don't have the answers that a mom is going to want to hear the answers to when you tell her something like that despite the concerns from Mom Tim is on his way to becoming a marijuana business owner he grows lots of plants he opens his medical dispensaries when the 1st open in the city of Denver and he sells lots of marijuana to medical patients and when recreational sales started in 2014 that's when things really took off. Because the customer base in the medical system was 100000 registered patients more or less they had to be state residents they had to find a doctor to give them a recommendation but with recreational marijuana suddenly anyone in the world $21.00 and over are potential customers so after rack becomes legal Tim is one of the. Well that jumps on it and this is what starts to cause this kind of shrinkage in the medical market right fewer customers fewer people. To be blunt not faking it anymore. All those people who didn't really need it for medical reasons they can just buy it on the recreational side it's just a lot easier and so lines for recreationally just snaking out the door for months after the 1st sale starred Tim becomes very successful and within a few years he was on the cover of 50 to 80 magazine. Like a local magazine style kind of thing now he's the face of Colorado's cannabis industry and his mom spots in the checkout line at the grocery store and that was a legitimate to her like that was made it nothing nothing you have to worry about here I'm 50 to 80 magazine. Now I call the house plants. The irony of this is that I don't grow cannabis. Back to Michelle and Scott and Vincent they have this nice house south of Denver Vincent likes to hang out on the big couch in the living room there's lots of my son Mike there Michelle keeps a lot of house plants in the windows nearby I have 90 house plants and not one of them is cannabis why not because I don't feel knowledgeable enough yet to do that. There are you know their signals and whatnot and there's also a legal issues too that is funny because as a med card holder Michelle could grow a certain number of plants at home if she wanted to but she's right it can get really complicated Ideally you just go to the dispensary right and she does Michelle and Scott say the Vincents autism epilepsy has improved dramatically while using cannabis he speaks a little more and has fewer seizures he generally takes fewer medications which means fewer side effects some of those side effects like we said could be really nasty he was attacking me every day he was pulling my hair he was choking me he was punching me and it was beyond his control he wanted to stop he couldn't Here's Michelle recently at the state capitol in Denver testifying in support of this bill that would allow for medical marijuana as a treatment for autism we moved here and our lives changed forever my son doesn't attack me anymore he's taught himself to read we have to do puppies which we never could have had to be clear Vincent was able to qualify for medical marijuana because he had epilepsy not for his autism because it wasn't allowed yet Michelle thinks that's not enough she wants this to be available for kids who have just autism and that's a big reason why she's thrown herself into activism since she moved to Colorado we have the opportunity to change these family's lives and I ask you I ask you to please be a part of this and please help me change these. Children's lives. That bill eventually became law earlier this year but despite that it's actually getting harder for Vincent to find cannabis when they arrived here 2 years ago medical marijuana was everywhere it was pretty easy had to a dispensary that sells medical products find what you need and go but over time when I would go into my you know kind of regular spots and they wouldn't have these typical products you know I would get a typical soul that I would like or an edible and they would have them in they had less and less and less and the shelves were literally barren and that's when I really started to realize now that medical dispensaries are shutting down to become just recreational it's more apparent than ever. You might be thinking So what can't they get would Vincent needs on the recreational side right so medical marijuana isn't exactly the same thing as recreational marijuana 1st under 21 so he can't access the recreational market legally at all so he loses access altogether for medical goes away and medical products legally have a higher potency limit so a gummy from the med side can be a lot more powerful than me from the wreck site Michelle told us about this time when Scott accidently took one of for instance edibles knocked him out for an entire day. And then of course there's this money issue medical patients pay a much lower taxes on medical marijuana products it's sort of makes up for the fact that you are health insurance is not going to pay for the stuff so the thing that's going on here is this economic death spiral in medical cannabis Colorado regulations so you can only grow so many Plants vs how many patients you have so fewer patients means fewer plants which means fewer products on the shelves which creates hassles for people like Venter who actually rely on marijuana. As a medicine which is a little crazy when you think about it Colorado voters approved medical marijuana as a constitutional amendment which required it to be legal and available to those who need it in theory that should be ironclad So this is a good time to get back to Temko And earlier this year he ran these ads for medical cannabis basically half price like this is the cheapest you can buy cannabis on the medical side and crickets nothing nobody came to take him up on it and I said I can't sell it for less than I have to change like we're either going to stop paying for the licenses and just not sell it or we're going to find something else that we can do and that's when it felt to me like there was just no hope in trying to stay as a medical cannabis company so earlier this year Tim decided to get out of the medical business a very difficult decision for him when I visited they were still switching things or this is where medical has all is traditionally been or near the medical counter what once was the medical counter is now the connoisseur corner this is for people who like handmade Gore may weed products so medical marijuana is gone and a Colorado harvest company even though it helped build the business. And even though 10 use this as a medicine himself for his crones disease he kept his medical red card still pays to renew it every year it's bittersweet for him I don't think that we would lose it so quickly but at the same time it's a volved into something different that's given a lot more access to a lot more people. Now to be clear Michele and Vincent were never customers at Tim's store but here is where their stories intersect at least philosophically Tim actually thinks that this is the natural evolution of the business Michelle looks at this and her son Vincent though other families. In medical registry she sees what she thinks is a life threatening trend I'm afraid of cannabis becoming even more out of reach financially for those who need it most. These are the patients these are the citizens of Colorado that are the most vulnerable and only having access to retail cannabis means that they may not be able to. Get it. And that puts us behind that takes us back to the Dark Ages and cannabis times and people are going to go without their medicine. I mean that is exactly the kind of story that tugs on my heartstrings I mean that those are the legitimate concerns those are the people who will suffer by lack of availability so I think those are real concerns. I would also venture to say that there is going to be some light at the end of the tunnel like this is a sticky area for her at this moment right now but I think there will be enough changes that it will happen so basically he's saying that med patients like Vincent can really only bank on the model eventually changing like is he putting everything on the slow pace and regulatory change kind of but here's what he thinks he thinks that Colorado like a lot of states has this weird system right where the medical and the recreational side of the canvas they're both live and the same spot sometimes on the same countered just separated on opposite ends he says it's like combining a pharmacy and a liquor store in the same spot that does seem kind of weird when you put it that way but it sounds like he's hoping for regulators to just sort all of that out at some point in the future right to start to treat it a little bit more like an actual medicine and so according to Tim it's not letting medical marijuana die off it's just divorcing it from the recreational side of the business just like in other things you would you would pick up from your doctor prescribed to you at a pharmacy whereas I think recreational marijuana is going to continue to look like it does right now and it probably follows this like a liquor store model and that would mean that recreational stores can just focus on making money better way and there'd be more tightly regulated medical industry that acts more like you know pharmacies so it sounds like this maybe is a job for the regulators that's the only way I can think of this happening but right now marijuana is still a Schedule One drug so it doesn't seem like those changes can even happen until the Fed. Will government make some changes too. Most people in the industry are not banking on the federal government making any significant change anytime soon but Tim believes this would solve another problem I actually hadn't even considered and he didn't bring it up until we arrived at his dispensary to come back to that I'm still troubled that that woman is so concerned about about running out of oil that is also trouble it is for me though when I have when I have to work with people like that who are asking me questions that they should be asking their doctor like how much of this should my kid take how frequently should they take it how how many milligrams of t.h.c. Should they be ingesting How about c.b.d. But those are questions doctors should be answering not dispensary owners so I feel like that transition is right all the way around. Can you tell me what your medicine Mohsen does it help you feel better don't feel bad a yes or no yes. We've spent a lot of time on this 1st season of on something exploring how legalization of facts people's lives and I think this is one of our clearest examples 33 states have signed on to medical marijuana a completely unprecedented experiment and public health think about it 33 states have signed on to allow people access to a medicine that they can't get at a pharmacy that their insurance won't pay for and now the availability of that medicine depends on businesses businesses who can't make money off of this thing anymore this is a big glaring unintended consequence of the way that we legalized and now states that are considering jumping on the medical marijuana bandwagon states like Wisconsin or Indiana or Kentucky they are all going to have to reckon with this as well. Well and Isma show would tell you that's why a growing number of people in this country will determine where they live based on whether or not they can access medical marijuana. Do you want to go back to Texas. Can you say it do you want to go back to Texas no taxes now no taxes we want to talk about taxes anymore. They can also she doesn't email at humans at something dot org And the on something newsletter will keep on trucking to be sure to subscribe at something dot org on something is a labor of love often a headache for those who have to report and write it like myself but Marcus Brad Turner and Marie Awad produced and mixed by Brad Turner and Rebecca Romberg our editor is Curtis Fox News it by Brad Turner as well and Daniel masher our executive producers are Rachel Estabrook and Kevin Dale boss on something is made possible by lots of talented people like Francis Wade lawyer came when Dave Burdick Alison Borden met hers Iris Gottlieb and Kendall Smith This program is made possible in part by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting a private corporation funded by the American people this podcast is also made possible by Colorado Public Radio members. With. And with. Men and men with. Men. And men with. Each fall the edge of way tribes of northern Minnesota harvest wild rice by hand is a long process that begins with families in canoes venturing into the tall grasses where the rice is pulled and gently brushed into the bed of the canoe they Kitchen Sisters journey to the rice lakes of White Earth Reservation to investigate. They call it the rising moon a name of the month really the rising moon it's like naming it September or shelter the Wild Rice making no Medicaid pieces got a lot of rice on this reservation so tall grass grows up you know all over our lakes got 47 lakes and who lives up here Ojibways and ducks money was well known I live and work on the white or through savation in northern Minnesota and I direct the White Earth land recovery project which is working to protect our wild rice This is like one of the biggest times in our community soon as it starts coming up there's bantering under which Lakes will cool where they're going to go right see. These guys they're excited over there to get advice for their family and they're going to get to sell that Rice this cosmic in a couple grand from when you got maybe 60 percent unemployment that's a lot of money going to say easy money because it's not easy money Subash money going to school clothes and my kids because it's that part of the year. And bronchial whiter than a covered project. Booked this afternoon you should try talking to people on the night before the canoe being tied on is a sign of honor. If your canoe falls off the car on the way to ricing it's really a shave and you know if it falls off some will see. You drive out there when your partner unload you can do when you drag it down there you know it's already worked out. So I can be on you know a lot more sedentary these days and although you know what a lot of these guys are pretty buff look at the farther back that are. Going into the race we get out there on the lake and that's it's Miss. So it's just this beautiful like sun. On the lake it's all white There's nothing so for them birds. One guy stands in the back and he has a pole stall right in front of him sits this person who's going to knock and I have these 2 long cedar sticks known as knockers. Ball you going to so they're called but every just called the knockouts and then they laugh you know where you are so bear in the pool your nice across your lap and then you run the 2nd knocker kind of diagonally class. And you hear the rice fall into your canoe and it's just like that. And you don't want to get it too hard on you not to hedge and. You know if some fall in the lake there that's better your receding away. Go back and forth and back and forth to kind of try to keep some rhythm. Which cockcrow but right you know it is some looks like the coast feed some looks like a bottlebrush and they're both ends of different Toms they go and they start trying to domesticate Fridays they would right then at the same time but they are not diverse they're monochrome and they put them in die twice patties a lot of times they're using fungus Saud's and chemicals and they go in and harvest it with a combo. That is different than 2 Indians in a canal. They're trying to call it was rice but that's not wild rice we call that tame it's and it doesn't taste the same arise taste like a lake. It tastes like a lake. And ends at them when I was growing up the whole community would get together to go Wall to racing North Carolina and everybody just come right totally can help each other get in their boats and there's something to see the young Hope the new old and old teaching the young holiday doing the thing the whole process of gathering and Harvey Steven. 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I cook on average 800 pounds a day and I can pretty much tell by the way to write down in the barrel when it's almost done it makes like a sizzling here saying I almost want to get close I just want to stand by the barrel and I listen to the right we sell a lot to some food crops and we saw a lot more than harvesting food parched need of Wahlberg's. Buffalo meat and jams made with honey in a community that's got the poorest counties in the state of Minnesota I don't want to try to bring in some factory on my reservation they always are training and retraining our people training for a job that doesn't exist you know and then he goes tries to work at a border town he can't get hired. You make them feel like they're not going to be any good and what we decide to do is say what we've got is something that we're good at and what we're really good at is racing instead of trying to make up some economy that makes no sense to us or I do pretty much anything and everything I guess for maple syrup and in the spring. Planting the fields we build wind generators and the greenhouses and solar panels. And centerpiece of our culture but what we're talking about here is how you get healthy you know your body and your community and they're all related and it's not something that you can go by you know at the store your culture you have to live in. That hidden kitchen which produced by The Kitchen Sisters Davy and Nelson and Nikki Silva and mixed by Jim McKee. You're listening to n.p.r. X. Remains. READY to you. 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This past Thanksgiving my sister Molly and her boyfriend Andrew who asked me to pet said figures there moon Joey Joey fish so while mommy and Andrew were vacationing in the Bahamas I was staying in their apartment I'd watch pets in the past I drive over spend 25 minutes walking Maxwell I felt was food and water bowls this was not the case with fingers require constant attention. When I 1st arrived figures to seem unhappy here is just a sack with flags and I'm out and didn't seem to move much so fingers is kind of floating with the current of the tank right now I've seen him before where he was pulsing more regularly. I think he's bored. Fish keep a strict diet they only meat but a certain kind of mean a type of Brian tram that you may know as the sea monkey see monkey is very easy for giant fish to trap and digest in the ocean but they don't occur naturally in a tank in my sister's apartment in Oklahoma so I had to prepare them. And serve them alive. I had to maintain an entire ecosystem. To snails and the same. Meaghan Andor had back me very specific instructions to care for fingers when this was for feeding. We have to bring these things. For him to. Bring to life. Where how did you what kind of package did the sea monkeys come in that's my friend Abby she came over to meet fingers show you. What is in the fridge . And orange Yeah that one I know and yeah. They're going their eggs right. Yet this is going to be a very unscientific procedure so. I take a pinch of gangs and some of them get like caught like in my they kind of thing on your finger. This is a great point guys right here. Step want. To water to every sense of the country whose position a very doesn't want 2 to 3 centimeters from large number. On this plant. You turn on the air. And say now here why. We have oxygen. And I assume our kids are going to hire. You and have to store it on. That. Step to use Turkey rooster to remove approximately 30 known leaders of from order solution from margarine were Ok so I'm going to get in on my turkey based. On no water should be somewhere or interim color from for. Step 3 or move to wait until your spill shrimp into underside of fingerstyle. This is really delicate and to feed. You promote the turkey based. In the water and you'll see him start to pole sit in. What you really don't want to do is accidently suck fingers into the turkey that's it that would be like when people say like make sure my dog doesn't eat chocolate or something like make your fingers just get sucked into the turkey based or. The sea monkeys hit the water and scatter giant jellyfish legs fingers pulse hysterical leg and with a powerful tightly controlled scooping motion you suck up to see a monkey's into a spell. After you I did change his water which involves siphoning the water out of the tank I think I found out a way to siphon it without trying to actually suck it out but I don't actually put my mouth on that too but I. Kind of like. Suck on it like that and it's so disgusting because I know it has ammonia and it has ammonia and nitrites whatever those are fingers was hovering near the bottom away from where I was siphoning in the new water maybe he was scared or something I figured this was normal but when I finished he wasn't pulsing he was drifting down words and then he fell face down on the rocks at the bottom of the tank. And you have me these water testing strips beside the tank you stick the strips in the tank you hold them there for 30 seconds and they're supposed to reveal imbalances with fun colorful chemical readers I've been using them compulsively all night and the chemical readings in seem just fine fuchsias and greens I looked on Pecos website but there is no god to further explain my results all I saw were angry reviews from other customers figures still wasn't moving the lied to his tank were flashing in disco mode and I was getting paranoid I didn't trust the testing strips I didn't trust the internet and I didn't trust fingers. Maybe the problem was me with my face constantly pressed up against. So I went to bed. The next morning I went straight ended check on him. Ok and just woke up. And I came over and I looked at the tank. In fingers is doing fine he is alive it's all saying. He's like rolling around the tank. Snails is kind of partying with an above the top of the tank. It's busting really happy. Things went all right for the rest of the week I fed him on schedule and I changed his water and he never died or even pretended to be dead and in fact when Molly and Andrew came back from the wreck cation they said fingers looked like a grown. Since then I've been thinking of myself as figures Godfather sort of a father figure to jellyfish everywhere which is why when figures died for the end of December I was really pretty devastated because of his dad. And grandma I now have 2 hamsters they're going back to the Bahamas for spring break. And you've been listening to the press production today's podcast was produced by. That's me but how do you want all that's me and. The toast with us to the memory of finger it's. Very good jellyfish. The be. In. To. The band BUSY BUSY. This is our remake. 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It's so creamy and it's just I think it's so good because you know that was just freshly made about her. How long have you been making your own ice cream packed audience ice cream freezer the 1st Christmas we were married and that's been 53 years and we always make strawberry banana that's Pat's favorite we used to tubs of frozen strawberries 3 bananas pureed I can of mail not. Quarter cream 3 eggs of sugar and a little Bonilla and that's it just whip it up in the mixing bowl dump it into the canister and then pan takes over and. I think. The best thing about Pat's ice cream is not only this moving us of a creaminess of it but also the process of making it and you just don't see that I would see my own. Number not from St Joseph Missouri what I do I put a gallon jug start the ice cream halfway through the process I stop but open it up became Mr and mirror come in and put it back are over again take the ice cream and so you actually have it makes for a much better with. If you ever have it you understand. That. You are in there and. You know it is maybe the best ice cream I've ever had anywhere anyplace it is fresh it's fruity it's kind of you know. There's just no taste like that but there's something about his ice cream that you look forward to all year it's good. All in the big rock. This is 99 percent Invisible I'm Dylan hall filling in for Roman Mars. Maybe for to story like this how once upon a time on the outskirts of the town where someone grew up or where they went to school on the edge of the woods there was a scary old asylum.
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