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Talk Radio $790.00 k. A.b.c. News at 5 o 2 I'm Steve cumming local health officials are tracking another Los Angeles County resident who has a confirmed case of measles and an additional nonresident measles case who traveled throughout Southern California between April 27th and May 1st that announcement came only hours after it was revealed that a u.c. Irvine graduate student who lives in Long Beach and that infant less the one year old in Orange County also have measles the cases are part of a renewed outbreak of the disease nationally and across the southland a stretch of road you know road in l.a. Near Culver City was renamed yesterday 3 and a half miles of the thoroughfare that intersects with Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard is now called Obama Boulevard in honor of the day and 2007 when then candidate Obama held a rally at nearby Rancho psionic a recreation center Jeffries k. A.b.c. News checking sports and baseball the Astros smothered the halos tend to fall a.b.c. 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It's time for Gerber he's long been a section of long and life with your host injury compensation attorney author and mentor Alan Derby Alan is managing attorney at the law firm of Rowan Gurley and win a worker's compensation law firm who represented injured workers for over 35 years joined today by his co-host radio personality and television host Carrie caisson Carrie brings a fresh real perspective to the intersection of law and law turning Murphy's Law upside down and now here are Ellen groovy and Carrie case I'm. After in Los Angeles and everyone listening all over the world on k.b. Si dot com. Am Alan curvey the managing partner of the law firm of Rowan Girvin and when and today as usual I am here to be the managing partner of your life and thank God thank God What I do and I you have so much of your life that needs managing you know what that's net there is never been interesting that you know managed me I couldn't I could not keep up with you you have more energy than the Energizer Bunny thank God for my vitamin traps you come look like the energizer bunny thank you I've always wanted for puffy cheeks and one for I've wanted a fluffy tail Yeah yeah I thought we said humans would be great if we had big cars just thinking walking down the street when girls get cold they can just wrap themselves with their tail and you know never thought of letting my higher existence and that's scary k. So she's right here live haven't seen you for a while Karen then long I've been traveling I was in trauma I was in Hawaii and now I'm back here just got in last night and had a trial couple days where most of the day you go so confused you know you try to yesterday's when you travel so much you just cannot seem to keep. That time straight it's true and I have to say the last few days not only my boyfriend but myself kept thinking it was Wednesday I keep thinking Thursday and like wait a 2nd it's the weekend if I was like and we have a show that will go by quickly that's one thing that everyone comes into the studio and they go oh what am I going to talk about what am I going to talk about and then within 2 seconds it's over they said how did that go by so quickly it just happens especially with our 1st guest because I know that he is no stranger to a microphone and care you better not tell him how to talk into a microphone because he's been doing it for over 25 years and I'm going to tell you a little bit more about chuck in a moment but I do want to tease the 2nd half of the show which is with Howard Wasserman and he's been on the show before he's professor of law at Florida International University College of Law and he's here to talk about his new book The infield fly rule is in a fact they history and strategy of baseball's most infamous rule it is bizarre he's going to talk about baseball and how it effects the law of comedy all kinds of things that go into this book the infield fly rule so if you're a baseball fan or a legal fan you don't want to miss it and Wayman is sitting by waiting to play some really cool baseball music hit us women. Make you want to go get me that he does because baseball you say we're not what you think this is like Carneys you you are not drinking our 1st truck what who is that that saw it was I know you know the voice of u.c.l.a. Basketball and football is down 25 rows balls at least public address announcer I he's got a historic I'm out of sporting events that he's done he's done other games as well national championship college football games I Rose Ball college basketball March Madness he's done Clipper games and of course he's the void. The popular interactive game e.a.a. Sports n.c.a.a. Football ah well and thank you that's quite as always I'm not finished yet Ok you know your entire resume and he's going to read everything we don't even need to hear his voice because I'm just going to tell everything about him he was a championship golf for it u.c.l.a. Of course everything is usually even it is going to p.g.a. Tour through yes absolutely yes you care you're welcome his golf shoes have u.c.l.a. On them he golf with Corey Pavan and Duffy Waldorf amongst others rule and of course broke with a Tom Watson's record I stand for I did break Tom Watson's record yes I was really cool Mariano also never got to play with Al and I played golf with Al and that is those so cool that is not an honor wait it wasn't happening we have no idea who I don't have these you just happen to be in for something like this they put you in something like that we were in a turn when it was the lawyers turn a meant the Stevens been Del Morial tournaments and we were put together and afforded some cool so it was you guys we're taking and guess who the winners Yeah yeah exactly checking the check led us to victory Well Al and you had a couple 900 yards he shot what is an arrow there was another good golfer Forrest Blake who with chalk really had a great golf round so you guys won you know we won it was a cool that's a really awesome I never won anything up on your like what was your score how many on the end without a lot on the way or par every hole we birdie you because of some of the law I know because they have you like right like in the women we playing up in the women's team. Back tees man a real Rubio totally Yalom with sensational no thanks left and right so you know they play best ball so they then used my balls they used his. Was true anyway chalk Welcome to you went on or to have you with this great great background in sports you're also the senior vice president of beneficial State Bank Yes I am very self. And here thank you multi serious thinker and I'm sure a lot of people like to ask you questions about banking but we're going to start by asking you some questions about u.c.l.a. And off by the way speaking of golf I saw a picture of you I think was from 1908 and you were the spitting image of a young Jack Nicklaus Well thank you yes I had hair that Allen was a tremendous nice guy and he does look like Jack that's not to me let me do this is this is extremely dated material Larry it really is that really him that is me Yeah actually you do look like Jack Nicklaus like you tell the hair just perfectly how you let Dorothy Hamill ish But that's Ok Well exactly Dorothy Hamill was she was also very good skater Yes you sensational or you go but no you really do look like Jack Nicklaus that's very that's very funny Ok here we go any further chalk we're going to put you to work here because we do want to talk about u.c.l.a. Sports has some new developments with McCrone and becoming a bad coach of the u.c.l.a. Basketball team and we can get your opinion on Chip Kelly and how that's going to go a big season coming up for Chip and the u.c.l.a. Bruins in their rebuilding program before we get to that in order for you to be on this program for us to do the show I need to have an introduction Kerry needs to have an introduction because this is something as they were going here what a voice and Kerry will use her in turn to use it to open the show every single time so I'm going to be good chap or old boy or use it in one of your you know marketing ploys you know whatever on your website or you know you think is a marketing ploy you know it's just. Like in the Syrian ambassador there even no one better Kerry case I'm sorry I'm a filibustering a little bit here actually give us an idea of what you have so I'm going to be running on the field in the Rose Ball I'm Number 8 I'm quarterback Yes There you go ladies and gentlemen your attention please sat quarterback for your u.c.l.a. Bruins ladies and gentlemen Alan Girvin and Larry. There he is right there there is where the applause went yes here we go thank you women Thank you very much but it doesn't sound like a football team it sounds like an opera house or sometimes it is all right now and what a good one what is this you know you're going to play Kerry. At running back now now I want to tell you I am well you do have to tell you that to be the punter over good I mean the paper now ladies and gentlemen and punt formation president at 5 foot 11126 pounds dripping away here she is ladies and gentlemen Ms Kerry case oh wow you know it's incredible 53 yards on the park and over and still catch cold 4 by case of it's so good thank you I you know I want people if they have if they need to get a face for this voice you've been in several movies Yes and I do remember you you swingers and there was there was a movie I don't know if it was swingers or Sling Blade possibly scream but you did some really live these and your face is very recognizable like you very much very wreck because I want to make Ah yeah it's you know life is strange in l.a. I mean Angeleno Yeah and it takes you on some strange adventures and this is one of the adventures of getting into film and you know for some reason people like this face I once played an f.b.i. Agent and all of her Stone film stuff what does it do the the one about World Trade Center. With Nicholas Cage and Michael pants right you have this word cool I mean just all sorts of weird stuff pops up in our world in l.a. Do people out and say I know you yeah I get a lot of that yeah you know I know you I know you and I can use you somewhere yeah you know yeah yeah you know what I love it when people hear him speak and they say wow you've got a great voice you should do announce a while exactly correctly and you're like where have you been to the Rose Ball Have you heard my voice of polypropylene exactly or the thing I get interactive games like kids play interactive t.v. Ad and in the early days of Electronic Arts e.a. Sports or. Are putting out this game college football n.c.a.a. Football now and they were looking for an announcer they said Chuck you want to do this thing I said Sure sure and I still get requests Chuck how do I get into that dynamic mode how do I go to the next level and the guy is no clue you know my you know why he's there or it's like what you know I just I'm just the voice you know 2nd out of 5 ball on the 35 yard line Jew or should Lee do that taped or did you do that one you ever hear saying Sorry I mean you're like on the cover of obviates sports every year well it's kind of a religious thing you know but no but the script is like 3 you know just they actually have to look at every single option available into a game it's unbelievable and then voice matching to each play it's pretty common as it changes every year do you have different players that you're not exact No if we have the same thing so the stuff is in the can which is really nice and it's really cool so I mean the game itself has been going on forever when we 1st did it nobody knew about it like what is an interactive game and we recorded in Santa Monica and I remember the day fondly or because I check in and Isabella Rossellini in front of me as I don't know where his way happened when was this this was like 1997 she was there a space of like was it yeah or separation you know that's a lot or yes yes and I'm just little Carrie I'm just a lowly p.a. Announcer and I walk into this office and it's like there she has oh my goodness and how I recognize her I just look down and there are these purple shoes on my goodness gracious I'm signing into the front desk and you're looking at her shoes you know well what the heck I'm signing in there when I mean what the heck what else of a Good so you know and I'm like oh my gosh it's oh boy there she has wow she's you know a woman incredible gorgeous and she's very kind she just lit up and she says Hello Chuck or something or say because she saw my name I was like wow my gosh this is I got to remember this one shot you seem to be impressed by her Are you impressed by other people I mean you're in the small island world yes so you're rubbing shoulders like I was just some of the greatest We don't I should say some athletes that. Become great athletes because a lot of times their announcers around now know the true yeah right. Yeah who golly yes the great thing is you go in so many times you have a really amazing amazing guy southpaw goal for a left handed goal for and a very very good golfer have evolved with him I never have but I've met him on the putting green before playing and he goes off playing but you know if I'm looking at people who I really love this Monday I just happen to be at a golf thing and I was fortunate to meet Brooks kept Oh you in the ice all seeing eye rolls on the picture was that tweeted out of yeah as you and Brooks Yes Like he said he was on the radar this cow did you say that he was the greatest golfer right now just by if you were with him or we sucking up to him or not or you really believe that you know that's another story but you know he no he is the dude and if you're going to u.s. Opens of Master 2nd place in the Masters or the p.g.a. Championship this guy's unbelievable what do you think of Tiger's comeback it's incredible it's unbelievable it isn't I mean doesn't make sense and I love that yeah 40 something years old coming back from all the injuries all the prevail that's one on it's everything we love as Americans I really believe that you know that we just love that a comeback story he's able to overcome all of these obstacles and barriers perhaps that he created and or not created have and there is I care you're not offended by any of his past activities oh no I don't think you know it I don't know many why lucky kind of change the man could be a new man I don't know I always give people 2nd and 3rd chance people always act like you know we're not perfect beings and I've made tons of mistakes he did it very publicly and he did it a lot and I've you know hopefully things have changed them I hope he's happy and I hope they get maybe he lives a little bit more of an ethical life but I'm very happy it was a very I'm sure he well I have a strange story Eleanor Tiger back in 79 when I was playing at u.c.l.a. Corey Pavan was my teammate and we were going down to San Diego for a golf tournament. We stopped at a driving range in Orange County and we went to did some balls the 4 or 5 Freeway was jammed there was nothing going on you know so we said well we just let's just go his golf ball so we go to this range and we look at this at the end of the range and this is a little kid golf balls and his dad is standing behind him and we start laughing Cory and I start laughing and going you've got to be kidding me a 5 year old kid here hidden golf balls it was Tiger it was Tiger Wow I had no idea and you know no clue so how did you put 2 and 2 together after all it was pretty easy to see there was Earl behind Oh right right watching him you know very seriously very stoically but he was so cool to see a young Tiger Woods in just hitting it beautifully very thin little kid but beautiful swing but we thought the whole thing was so crazy a 5 year old kid 6 years old hitting balls really well what the heck that's the way it was now it's kind of commonplace totally Satterlee very rarely are we going to take a break we could talk about Tiger for a while but I just want everyone to know that we have history here on Kirby's lot today because we've had a lot of people associated with u.c.l.a. On the show and Chuck White has just eclipsed all of them. And notably that includes Lavar ball who is one of the bad gas now and we had this crazy yeah when Lavar was on his show but and he is associated in some degree with u.c.l.a. And then of course we've had professors Adam Winkler Professor Volokh Professor I think all of the law school u.c.l.a. Law schools but today it's chalk white all on a all the time 21 we're going to want to force it shock why you're no Lavar ball chalk Yes I do but we're enjoying it nevertheless Yeah you're listening to right here on Talk Radio 798 b.c. . I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit how long until it gets. There. Now I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. That believe that could save you 15 percent or more on car insurance. 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Believe that Geico could save you 15 percent or more on car insurance. When you feel heart burn up in your throat you'll do anything for faster leave you my child milk directly from the source Ok Go easy for you might slip down that entire slush in a single breath. That didn't help don't try just anything try new Rolaids heartburn soothers the only an acid that melts to leave a cooling sensation while it starts working as fast as now to relieve heartburn Oh that's better soothe the burn with new late heartburn soothers is directed at the beginning of coming 2nd see him 7 and be a baby see you're listening to Gervase law the intersection of law and life on Talk Radio 790 k b c. There we go. Check Point Have you ever heard the song before a couple times just going through and sounds that Oh and I So all those those you are just joining us tech why it is a public address announcer for and the voice of the u.c.l.a. Basketball and football team the Bruins been doing it for 25 years of called a number of amazing games I wish we had all day to talk about some of those memorable games but this is a law show serious law I don't worry serious I don't want to get into the sports but tell me it during the break we were talking about who I had mentioned i.e. Said he's a nice guy he used to come by and talk to you when you're sitting at the Booth Yeah you know I'm always flabbergasted when I see him you know doing these strange things because from my u.c.l.a. Experience he was very quiet and he was very astute about the game he studied the game he loved. Watching his son every game he was at Paulie a lot of the big Lorenzo and big baller Brandon the whole thing go on but we really knew that things were really going wild when dozens and dozens of students were lining up to get a selfie with Lavar it was like out of control and the whole Lonzo thing was just wild you know it was showtime was kind of a mini Showtime for u.c.l.a. Is it more so then John Wooden For instance I would think so and this is sad commentary how yeah John Wooden was incredible you know told different deal go off court and he was coach man he was the coach very simple man and he was there every game and and still we have an empty seat behind the bench I don't know if you notice him Paulie for him now and it's a gold seat and it's right there and he's always there with us we just kind of think coaches there you know you're hot if you see l A's team continues on its path you might want to sell that because they probably need the revenue Oh I had no sound was a nice Ok did you get to know John at all yes yes in fact well in my younger days he actually invited our entire golf team to listen to him talk about the pyramid and excess this was very cool so we sat for 2 and half hours listening to coach talk about the pyramid of success we had no idea what he was talking about really here so here you have any idea what do you know now I know you know so little I gave Brian Kramer one of the associates mobsters a big John one fan a big picture with the pyramid of success on it which I love and what is your take from the parents' excess obviously worked exactly surgically carry you know it's truth it's a very simple truth on how to be the best you can be not only on the basketball court but in life and how to be a good ethical person and coach really walk the walk he was the guy it wasn't about money it never was about money with Coach is about becoming a better person being more intelligent having greater knowledge of very simple things kind of Midwestern thought but very cool stuff now fast forwarding to 2000. 19 u.c.l.a. Hires a new coach after an exhaustive search where there were a lot of controversies about who they were going to hire and whether one of the coaches turned you know them down or couldn't get out of his contract for a stance but it's Mick Cronin How do you see it because he was the coach University of Cincinnati I went to what 9 straight and say tournaments never got past the 6 sweet 16 I which is something he's going to need to do with u.c.l.a. To be successful cuz of all the brighter that apparently is on the coach how do you see him playing out in terms of recruiting in terms of putting together I think he'll probably take a different tack and perhaps the past no question is have no question I personally as a fan I am so excited about Mick I think this is the correct tire for u.c.l.a. You know the world is always to right here in l.a. What he did at Cincinnati if you know Cincinnati basketball they were struggling with here right now and he cleaned that thing up and got that thing going and I love the way he coaches he's very tenacious very fierce and gets to and he likes to win and there's nothing wrong with winning you know it's like it's Ok to win let's win some ballgame to have some fun so you have somebody who are winning I got to ask you this chalk because I know you have an opinion on this does he proceed with a one and done type of strategy or looking at players like he had at Cincinnati that you know hang around for a few years and become seniors and and mesh together a team it's a great question Allen you know I mean I'm just a p a announcer but I can't say. I'm a draft guy but no I really believe that this one and done thing is crazy and it's actually doing a disservice to the young players there who need to grow up a little bit you know they're they're getting into these large bodies and they need to get a little bit bigger a little bit stronger and why wouldn't you enjoy the time playing college basketball while you're learning the game learning all facets of the game and it's so sad to see them leaving and. It's like it is an empty cabinet but I think that's going to change I think that's going to change inevitably you know I hope for the best because college basketball I believe is the most exciting it's just wild you know so exciting to watch you know it's a very emotional game when the most exciting thing you've seen what's the most exciting call you've made well you know it's not a u.c.i. Game actually it's a u.s.c. Game I found the u.s.c. Texas game football at the Rose Bowl you know remember in 2006 and some say the greatest college football game ever played unbelievable you know watching Mad Leinert and Reggie Bush and Vince Young you know he was a man playing amongst kids he just took the game it just went Well here I go I'm just going to take it literally all and carry it was like watching the stadium come off its foundation it was like surreal watching what was going on and people who were there they know. It was talked about so much totally in I'm not a big college football person but I heard about that game and I that's where you knew Reggie Bush that's where you knew everybody now and that's how you got to know some of these players that are in the n.f.l. Because of that game. And you called say you called or did you have a hole that you know I was just surreal you know the whole thing was incredible with all due respect I do disagree with your analysis of the one and done because I think it's more for. The lawyer you know I think maybe it's something that ought to be done but when you look at the success of some of the teams this year when you look at Duke even though it didn't have the ultimate success I mean that's the epitome of one and done and Lester seems like they're going to continue down that path and to be able to compete with the other teams u.c.l.a. May have to look at some of these like players who are off the charts going into the n.b.a. In 2 years well perhaps So you know it's mixed team now that's so easy I want you know what are you. Really are going to like each and favor of Mr. Yes Thank you ladies and gentlemen live safely Good evening if you. Lose your football really quickly Chip Kelly Yeah wow what a job he has to do to bring the u.c.l.a. Looking to where it should be and what do you think is going to happen I mean is he washed up or do you know that he's got a plan and it's just got to be put in play what I look at when I hear that there are statistics I like to see stats and I like to see what's real what's really going on under Coach more we had we've suffered from penalties penalties penalties a lot some mistakes the team was making a lot of errors unforced errors like you've sent tennis but totally cleaned up last year people don't notice this but it's a big deal so suddenly there's a certain form of control and discipline being put in and I like that I like to see that we know chips got to have time to put his system in his players in and get it rotating it could takes a little bit of time it's a whole different deal but he knows how to coach there's no question in my mind coach Kelly he's a good good football now but what about recruiting I mean in college it's all about recruiting in general you know he was brought in to do some recruiting troop train Chip Kelly do that even though I agree with you he knows how to coach Yeah you know he if you look at him historically other than Mariota and some of the other great players you had at Oregon he recruited 3 and 4 star players he was not always recruiting the 5 star guys and he made those 3 zone for stronger and better and more united as a team and that's what we're looking for to u.c.l.a. It's more of a u.c.l.a. Play you know we like the team play where you know itself coordinate and it works beautifully it's like ballet or something it just plays perfectly Wow what a homer here I'm a total homer and you know I brought the Kool-Aid a long time ago you're just saying are you going to stick around as long as Vin Scully did I hope so I you know I love it so much a it's just it's a passion you know just going in and watching games and especially college athletes you. No it's not as jaded there's course you know the pro game is unbelievable and I've done many pro games yeah it's cool you know as you know guys know it's the greatest of the great but it's a little cold it's a little you know you know mechanical pro thing you have fun with it yes the one thing that I know a lot of the only fans really enjoy thank you is the personality that put it because if you had to be the announcer for the Dodgers for instance yeah I would never do that you know well batting 3rd or 2nd baseman I think the voice ab out here he does a great but but there's not enough time there's not enough air and space to do that right as you know but didn't basketball or football we have plenty of time you know let's go let's spread it out and it's almost like if you enjoy sound which I really do and I know you guys do too I always like the Wall of Sound The idea of a wall of sound and if you hear that it's like that's part of the whole experience whether it's the voice of the p.a. Announcer or whether it's the voice of the the music the whole thing you just kind of take it in on a sensory basis it's really cool you know and at halftime you have some time to have some fun told to tell us about the you know the guy whose goal is to use us see or how you slam them at a house. And you know a basket we we started to thing shot contest many years ago and you have to make 3 or 4 baskets you want a car something it's a great kids when these cars it's unbelievable how and I've So I've given that responsibility to a game show host who goes out and does that to kick butt in the day we always refer to them as the lonely Trojan all star who can't even make a lay up he gets absolutely nothing not I got to turn it around and we do have some u.s.c. Fans who listened to the show a 1000000 a minute last very adequate school tell us. Tell us the great work that you're doing and an official state bank oh my gosh I love this bank and let you know it was started by Tom Styer and Kat Taylor about 1011 years ago in Oakland . And the whole idea is to bank those with the least bargaining power and we're located in East Los Angeles and I just love doing it you know where all of our profits our net profits of the bank go to a nonprofit foundation and then we push the money back out into the society in the form of help that's awesome which is really cool never been done before really on a large scale is it is your nonprofit something that is picked every year or is it the same one same nonprofit it's Tom Styer uncapped Taylor's nonprofit Pac and usually we will help our clients whether they're in the non-profits themselves here in l.a. San Francisco Portland Oregon we're in we're in Oregon as well as Washington State so it's really never been done before it's really kind of cool I love that I was very very cold we got to take a quick break after the break we're going to welcome to the show Howard Wasserman professor of law there is a legal connection there at Florida International University College of Law to talk about his baseball book Imagine as to what he's a lot faster it's Ok You're listening to right here on Talk Radio 790 k b c. Talk Radio 790 k. A.b.c. 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Yes You know I don't even want to finish this show but now that I hear this song I feel like I just have to have a harder time ripping Islands yet through it I didn't do it and we're going to talk about one of my favorite subjects right now and it's not lost no baseball my life of baseball and so thrilling to have with us now a professor of law talking about baseball and law of course it's been on our show before Howard Watson is professor of law at Florida International University College of Law and he had a great book called Understanding civil rights litigation came out in 2013 I think 2018 as well but this is the book that I'm really excited about just came out come on infield fly rule is in effect the history and strategy of baseball's most infamous rule it's published by McFarlane and company Howard Wasserman Welcome back to Gervase law. Where are you. Can you get a better place we can even hear yes it sounds like there's a little I'm going to have to call the infield fly rule you're going to be out in a minute let me say a little better. There you are who wasn't wait quite you know Howard this is Chuck White the voice of u.c.l.a. Bruins Nice to meet you Professor nice to meet you now we can hear you it's is out that I was going to that's Ok You're doing great now it's really important that we can hear you because a lot of people want to hear about this new book that you have called infield fly rule is in effect it's interesting because I saw a wicked p.d. Article on the Common Law origins of the infield fly rule and it talked about an article by William Stephens published in 1075 University of Pennsylvania Law Review that has become such an intriguing part of the law how do the 2 mash and real quick can I guess for people that don't know what this rule is can you give them a little history. And it sure so with the Hill why Will says is that or what it generally means is that when the batting team has runners on 1st and 2nd or the bases loaded with less than 2 out and the batter hits a fair fly ball that is playable in a field or with ordinary effort they can easily be caught by an infielder batter is called out regardless of whether the fielder catches the ball and if the end then the base runners can run at their own risk of what all is is not caught they are free to advance but it's no longer a force like the rule of their miles in one form or another since the early to 8090 and the 'd purpose behind the rule is Q keep the defense or to take away the opportunity of the fence you intentionally not catch that bad a ball and get a double play off the base for it when you have to have why it's such an easy double play if you were to drop the ball because of course if you catch the ball in your off the bag and you throw it to the bag it's going to be a double play so people are going to hold up a soon as it's popped up in the infield the runners are going to go back to their bases it would be a really easy double if not triple play if you dropped the ball because you could throw it that makes sense because the runner has to run from Yeah Ok home plate to 1st so that would force the other 2 runners to go on you get him out. I'm just wondering professor what's the problem with that I mean why why would you allow that I mean who cares what the game you're saying why did you write a book that's right excuse me answer so the idea. I mean there were 2 things the right the explanation was it seemed like a cheap double play it was unsporting to make a claim like that the art. Given that I've developed is. Basically that we want certain amount of equity a certain amount of fairness within a play within any one given play every deal on game situation in baseball or in any other sport where. He can intentionally do the opposite of what we usually expect and get an overwhelming and it inapplicable example so the expected play in the situation is the infield or catches the ball that's what we expect writers to do is to catch about it Ball and this is a situation where if the infield doesn't do that if the infield are intentionally doesn't catch the ball they're going to be significantly better off than they would be if they caught it and then the cats of all they get worn out if they don't catch the ball at the interval doesn't catch the ball they get 2 maybe 3 outs and it's a situation the ostensive team is powerless to counter for the reason that you just described at the baserunners have to stay close to their base they can't lead to far so then if the ball isn't caught the got too far to run there's no way they're going to beat the throws to the next base to beat the double play and it's they try to cheat and take off early the infield or will that just catch the ball and double that off at their at their previous base so they're kind of they're kind of stuck there's nothing they can do there's a $911.00 tape or article talking about it and to baserunners or how to treat is how they describe it in your early 20th century America that's basically the idea so what the rule does is it takes away that opportunity for that inequitable double play because the batter never becomes a runner because he's caught he's out on the call and then the base runners are not forced they can't run. And every so often you'll see a double play because of a sort of do something stupid but it's no longer a forced play. Is fielding he wrote about if he rather now has control over the play so if you have a batter that's going up and the bases are loaded or there's 2 people on the base and you have somebody that's not necessarily good maybe it's the pitcher who's hit and I don't know which league that isn't sorry and they're not catching a national thank you i can they purposely hit a fly ball is it easy enough to do that you know to let Ok so send somebody that couldn't come in behind him and kind of clean it up yeah Michael Brown is a pretty tough usually when it happens is is that. A player gets pulled off the pitch and either yeah and hits it off it. Or you know hit the tacit off the end of the bat Howard let's be honest about this I used to play a lot of ball and if that happened to me that thing I would do after popping it up would be slam my bat at home plate because I missed some incredible opportunities for Sarabia thinks I'm actually. Going so what's what is the definition of the infield here now how far does it go out to suggest go out to the dirt the end of the dirt there in the infield or if one guy's foot is in the outfield and one is in the dirt question what is the deal man I don't know massa lawyers questions well this is groovy on the Law Man I'm just they were so the rule is it will actually have this film or it should not be called the infield fly rule that should be called the in fielder being. The the what the rule says is the ball has to be playable flying in fielder with ordinary effort it has to be. For the average in fielder so that will go pretty far into the outfield and there is a commentary to ghoul that is explicitly. The umpire should not be guided by artificial lines like the foul line or the infield grass or the outfield grass or the dirt so the ball could go pretty far out in the outfield and in fact the play that everybody remembers there's a relief to the Infield Fly play that everybody remembers and frankly the one that started this project 7 years ago was the high call in the 2012 National League wild ride game between the Braves and the Cardinals and the Infield Fly was called 'd on a ball that was hit pretty far out in the outfield and was not caught because the fielders this communicated with the umpire and the rule so the baserunners defense as they can but the batter was Paul that. For people who didn't who don't really understand the rule it seemed like a lot of press call you had to call and say Why of all that hit that. And the break . Up on the field in the late game by about 20 minutes so how do you stop that might get you where is a day that's kind of just the hey I'm going to call this the rule right now just because I feel like yeah I guess my good how do I even work. On what is playful what is playable by ordinary effort or they look for certain signs the ability whether the infielder has stopped running and is settled under the ball and is waiting for him to come down and you can tell that by by watching by watching the field or in that sort of fits very well because the when the fielder set is when he has a chance to if the rule wasn't there to intentionally not catch it and sort of manipulate sort of manipulate the play The umpire was also a. Or. Whether explicitly or not they are somewhat guided by the purpose of the rule and that's everybody recognizes the purpose is to eliminate that double play so in a lot of cases the umpire will take into account well Ok if the infield there is this ball hit so far in the outfield that if the infielder didn't catch it could he get he did he would he not be able to get a double play is it too far away that there's no way they could double get a double play on multiple base rush and it is as far into the outfield that a double play is impossible then the umpire will not in our sort of taking the purpose of rule of a subjective call the subject of the empire's have to. Prove Well not everything if you hit the ball out of the park it's not subjective and so if it's a homerun but you know the umpires do have to make the call like a fair catch they people have to know the players have to know what's going on and that's what's happening we're talking to Howard washerman professor of law at Florida International University College of Law on his new book infield fly rule is in effect it's gotten some really great reviews Howard Mitchell Burma for University of Pennsylvania Law School said in this thoroughly researched and rigorously reasoned owed to the infield fly rule Howard Wasserman demonstrates in clear and inviting pros that careful attention to this one seemingly oddball rule can illuminate a deep truths about baseball about people about sport and perhaps even about law a fascinating read tell us how a word about people score and perhaps even law and how it impacts this book infield fly rule Oh so you mentioned one Stevens article back in the day and that was an example. Kind of turning a legal I and I have to go with Alice this too. Baseball rule and that was sort of what I was trying to do here I was very interested in following that play in 2012 there were a lot of people not only criticizing the play but criticizing the infield fly rule in general and calling for its repeal so I wanted to try to put together a defense of the rule and that's what set me down this down this test and one of the things that I was responding to was a lot of people who argued well why do we have to play in this situation in baseball when we don't why do we have a rule in this situation in baseball when we don't for all these other situations that baseball why do we have a rule for this situation in baseball we don't have a rule for similar situations in other sports so what I set out to do is try to come up with a. Framework that explained what it was about the Infield Fly situation that justify this pool and then to look at other situations in baseball and in other sports to think about Ok Are these situation similar to the infield fly rule already Infield Fly situation or are they different and if they are the same do they have a special rule and if they're not in what way are they are they different and I looked not only at Old whole lot of situations baseball but I looked at a number of other sports basketball and football and track and field and just looked at some of the rules in a lot of those in a lot of those scores Professor how how would that go in basketball for example what would would be you know the infield fly rule in basketball that's really the one that everybody's pointed to the the there's a one I that I addressed in the book that a lot of people have pointed to was rules governing intentional fouling with using tensional foul a just like intentionally not catching a flight. And ultimately I concluded No it's not because it's not truly a comparable situation and the difference is there is a counter to the intentional about let the other team 1000 the counter is make your free throws and you're not really put it a disadvantage sounds fair in data all the base runners don't have that that advantage the the situation that was suggested to me unfortunately after the book came out and I hadn't thought of this myself was flopping in basketball and soccer so pretending to get fouled or or pretending to get run over or to try to fool the referee and that actually would would be a comparable 'd situation because like the and still fly you're pretending to get thousands not what you ordinarily want to do and there's nothing that a team can do to counter that play the existing about flopping is we haven't yet come up with who'll 'd that would stop flopping in the same way that the infield fly rule stops infielders from intentionally in my hockey they get a penalty so if you're going to flop you're sitting in the sin bin I think there's a whole answer to all this gentleman here I think there really is because since the lady hundreds baseball has always been called a gentlemen's game you don't hear that was basketball you do not hear that with hockey and you do not hear that with the n.f.l. At all so to me there are gentlemen rules and this thing seems like one of them that's just my theory maybe I should write the book you know. Yeah you know how to sing it the thing is I think that would. Be the explanation that a lot of people came up with the thing is everybody kind of knows that it was nonsense they were nothing. Like. What does that exactly what is going to Saturday was ready to shoot us to having. Right everybody was trying to having fight for. The so you know it's never been and became is always been about deception we've always sort of welcome deception in the game we encourage deception in the game and so the argument was if the infield fly rule is about for that King deception Well that really does it it really doesn't work if it's about sportsmanship it really doesn't mean that we're I was sort of that was the angle that I was sort of coming from there's got to be some other acts you know Howard so interesting I wish we could talk about this for another hour very as one of my favorite subjects and and like I said the reviews have been great it's called infield fly rule is in effect the history and strategy of baseball's most infamous rule you can get it on Amazon right yes and all booksellers I don't know if people go to bookstores anymore I do but I love them a great story for baseball fans and for just fans of life Howard Washington I want to thank you for being on our show again we always enjoy having you thank you for having me and I take care wow yeah very Yeah Chuck that was so cool I told you that the hour was going to go I see clearly just like that I think of you like we were just introducing Chuck and he was saying I'm here thank you thank you snack bars open. I'm going to get you know 1st of all before I say you know thank you for being here we it's been really a pleasure and and I'm sure if I'm not here some day Chuck will be happy as I came into the you know he sat in my chair and I asked that is that true I don't know why you you know you'd sack you know he does this to all it's like wait a 2nd I just feel to have you know did you did take a step toward my chair let's say and it was like when I you know when the fly ball went off the air you know. Infield fly rule don't move your missions that's true you know as far as you're like your lane that's to let you set that Man City if your base. Thank you so much for being here will you know appreciator all of that it's been fun I would like you to take us out because you know usually I'm just farm laying around I'm using sports terms or I fumble the ball when we're trying to say goodbye because we only have like 30 seconds left I say Kerry it's been great We'll see you next week I tell you can I try I try. Try Try things you tried but then you just get by so let's do it properly Yes Chuck White the voice of u.c.l.a. Basketball football e.a. Sports golf for extraordinary is going to say goodbye to everyone from. Ladies and gentlemen on behalf of Carrie and thank you drive safely and good evening. I love it. The. Film is by rolling Irving in winning. The home of Ben Shapiro a d.c. To live. And 62 Los Angeles killer season. Ok b.b.c. Los Angeles Orange County. Continuous 62 Los Angeles. Kenya station. 3 Now you can take number one morning news the k.t.l.a. 5 Morning News with you in your car. 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