Southern ukraine following the collapse of the dam yesterday. Ukraine and russia are accusing each other of being responsible for blowing it up in an act of wartime sabotage. A romanian wartime sabotage. A romanian people trafficker has been jailed for his part in an operation to smuggle dozens of afghan nationals into the uk. Inside a coffin sized wooden boxes, Adrian Constantin was extradited back to the uk to stand trial after fleeing the country. He was sentenced to country. He was sentenced to three years and two months in prison at Birmingham Crown court today, after pleading guilty to conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration , 35 afghans, immigration, 35 afghans, including children as young as two and a person with physical disabilities , were screwed into disabilities, were screwed into purple built hides and smuggled into the uk in the back of vans. And lastly, pope francis is recovering from a three hour long operation on an abdominal hernia. The vatican said there hernia. The vatican said there were no complications during the surgery and that the pontiff will stay in hospital for several days to recover. The 86 year old suffered a number of medical setbacks recently, including spending five days in hospital in march, where the lung infection two years ago, he had surgery on his intestine. Had surgery on his intestine. Youre up to date on tv , online, youre up to date on tv, online, dab radio and the tune in app. This is gb news, britains news. Channel until. Channel. L until the. Channel. Until the oprah. Channel. Until the Oprah Winfrey until the Oprah Winfrey interview. Until the Oprah Winfrey interview. Id. Until the Oprah Winfrey interview. Id never until the Oprah Winfrey interview. Id never heard of the interview. Id never heard of the concept interview. Id never heard of the conceptyour interview. Id never heard of the concept your truth the concept of your truth because the concept of your truth because , you the concept of your truth because , you see, its all come because, you see, its all come from because, you see, its all come from california, because, you see, its all come from california, of because, you see, its all come from california, of course, and harrye from california, of course, and harrye been from california, of course, and harrye been in from california, of course, and harrys been in court for the tee harrys been in court for the last two harrys been in court for the last two days, harrys been in court for the last two days, telling his teeth. Last two days, telling his truth. This last two days, telling his truth. This very concept is based truth. This very concept is based on truth. This very concept is based on feelings rather than objective based on feelings rather than objective facts. Based on feelings rather than objective facts. And when it be objective facts. And when it came to facts, objective facts. And when it came to facts, he wasnt really very came to facts, he wasnt really very good came to facts, he wasnt really very good because came to facts, he wasnt really very good because he said, i ebbb very good because he said, i bebb knew very good because he said, i dont know 18 very good because he said, i dont know 18 times today. He sabb dont know 18 times today. He babe,. Dont know 18 times today. He babe,. Ebbb dont know 18 times today. He said, i dont remember nine times said, i dont remember nine bmee bobby. Said, i dont remember nine times today. You said, i dont remember nine times today. You would have bbebgbb times today. You would have bbebgbb bbe times today. You would have thought the chap might have beemb thought the chap might have beemb bie thought the chap might have learnt his brief, thought the chap might have learnt his brief, but clearly bob. Learnt his brief, but clearly beb bbere learnt his brief, but clearly not. There was learnt his brief, but clearly not. There was a huge amount of sanvaesabanb not. There was a huge amount of conversation around not. There was a huge amount of conversation around chelsy davy, anan anab conversation around chelsy davy, a woman that he conversation around chelsy davy, a woman that he was seeing for yeas ne a woman that he was seeing for seven years. He said the whole thing seven years. He said the whole bnbna was seven years. He said the whole thing was doomed seven years. He said the whole thing was doomed from the start bease thing was doomed from the start bease af thing was doomed from the start because of the thing was doomed from the start because of the tabloid press , because of the tabloid press, ana because of the tabloid press, and. Because of the tabloid press, and i thought because of the tabloid press, and i thought that was a very interesting and i thought that was a very interesting cycle. And i thought that was a very interesting cycle. Erg behind all interesting cycle. Erg behind abb an interesting cycle. Erg behind abb an anab interesting cycle. Erg behind all of that, | interesting cycle. Erg behind all of that, i wonder , though, all of that, i wonder, though, do all of that, i wonder, though, as we all of that, i wonder, though, do we now, after all of that, i wonder, though, do we now, after this humiliation, do we now, after this humiliation, do we sympathise as wran humiliation, do we sympathise as wbn prince humiliation, do we sympathise as with prince harry . Humiliation, do we sympathise as with prince harry . Give me your bbaagnbs. With prince harry . Give me your thoughts. Farage with prince harry . Give me your thoughts. Farage at gb news. Com nave thoughts. Farage at gb news. Com nave ba thoughts. Farage at gb news. Com nave be say thoughts. Farage at gb news. Com nave be say my thoughts. Farage at gb news. Com have to say my views have moved nan have to say my views have moved from an have to say my views have moved from an anger have to say my views have moved from an anger ab have to say my views have moved from um anger at him for bearaybng from um anger at him for betraying everything. His betraying everything. His grandmother, betraying everything. His grandmother, his regiment. But i asbaabby grandmother, his regiment. But i aebaabby ne grandmother, his regiment. But i actually now feel grandmother, his regiment. But i actually now feel rather sorry for actually now feel rather sorry fer nbn. Actually now feel rather sorry fer nbn. Actually now feel rather sorry for him. I feel actually now feel rather sorry for him. I feel after these last awe for him. I feel after these last bye bays for him. I feel after these last bye bays ne for him. I feel after these last two days he looks for him. I feel after these last two days he looks a rather bbbab two days he looks a rather pitiful figure two days he looks a rather pitiful figure because evidence he pitiful figure because evidence be nas pitiful figure because evidence he has produced pitiful figure because evidence he has produced none. And im he has produced none. And im joined he has produced none. And im yebnea by he has produced none. And im yebnea by ben he has produced none. And im joined by tom bower , royal joined by tom bower, royal bbegrabner joined by tom bower, royal biographer and joined by tom bower, royal biographer and author of revenge. Biographer and author of revenge. Meghan harry and the war between revenge. Meghan harry and the war between the revenge. Meghan harry and the war between the windsors and the bebeb war between the windsors and the bebeb prince war between the windsors and the rebel prince tom. War between the windsors and the rebel prince tom. Its not been a great rebel prince tom. Its not been a great twe rebel prince tom. Its not been a great twe bays rebel prince tom. Its not been a great two days for prince harry, a great two days for prince harry, nas a great two days for prince harry, nas tte a great two days for prince harry, has it . Well, no, but it seate harry, has it . Well, no, but it seatt neve harry, has it . Well, no, but it could never have harry, has it . Well, no, but it could never have been, because he could never have been, because be reatty could never have been, because be reatty bas could never have been, because he really has become the vehicle for he really has become the vehicle be bagb he really has become the vehicle ter bagb grant he really has become the vehicle for hugh grant and he really has become the vehicle for hugh grant and the hacked off for hugh grant and the hacked ett greab for hugh grant and the hacked ett greab vbe for hugh grant and the hacked off group who have really captured off group who have really captured him off group who have really captured him and used him to avaae captured him and used him to advance their captured him and used him to advance their cause. His advance their cause. And his ntstertane advance their cause. And his misfortune is advance their cause. And his misfortune is not advance their cause. And his misfortune is not only that he is misfortune is not only that he ts net misfortune is not only that he ts net very misfortune is not only that he is not very intelligent, but he basnt is not very intelligent, but he basnt baa is not very intelligent, but he hasnt had independent legal atvtse hasnt had independent legal aavtse. Vbe hasnt had independent legal advice. Who would warned advice. Who would have warned btn advice. Who would have warned btnbes advice. Who would have warned him hes getting advice. Who would have warned him hes getting into him that what hes getting into is him that what hes getting into ts net him that what hes getting into ts net evastty him that what hes getting into is not exactly what is on the tin presented is not exactly what is on the tin presented by is not exactly what is on the tin presented by hugh grant, but bes tin presented by hugh grant, but bes mate tin presented by hugh grant, but hes made millions with netflix. Bes hes made millions with netflix. Bes mate hes made millions with netflix. Hes made millions with the beet. Hes made millions with the beet. Hes made millions with the beet. Mean. Hes made millions with the book. I mean, its. Hes made millions with the book. I mean, its not as if he basnt book. I mean, its not as if he basnt get book. I mean, its not as if he basnt get tbe book. I mean, its not as if he hasnt got the cash to get independent hasnt got the cash to get independent legal advice. Well, tbats independent legal advice. Well, tbats evastty independent legal advice. Well, thats exactly why independent legal advice. Well, thats exactly why they used him thats exactly why they used him, because thats exactly why they used him, because in thats exactly why they used him, because in the other him, because in all the other caseshacking, him, because in all the other cases hacking, the people cases of hacking, the people bant cases of hacking, the people atantneney cases of hacking, the people didnt money. The risk didnt have the money. The risk of didnt have the money. The risk et tb didnt have the money. The risk et at ntttten didnt have the money. The risk of £1 million fees didnt have the money. The risk of £1 million fees to the case. Bary of £1 million fees to the case. Barry bas of £1 million fees to the case. Barry bas get of £1 million fees to the case. Harry has got the of £1 million fees to the case. Harry has got the money and hes got harry has got the money and hes get tbe harry has got the money and hes get tbe purpose harry has got the money and hes got the purpose. Hes motivated. Se got the purpose. Hes motivated. Se vben got the purpose. Hes motivated. So when sherborne , the lawyer,. So when sherborne, the lawyer, the. So when sherborne, the lawyer, tbe smear. So when sherborne, the lawyer, the smear merchant lawyer, found bary the smear merchant lawyer, found barry tn the smear merchant lawyer, found barry tn tbe the smear merchant lawyer, found harry in the south the smear merchant lawyer, found harry in the south of france , he harry in the south of france, he tabbtng harry in the south of france, he tabbtng at harry in the south of france, he tabbtng at a harry in the south of france, he was tapping at a willing accomplice was tapping at a willing accomplice to was tapping at a willing accomplice to his plan, which atvays accomplice to his plan, which atvays te accomplice to his plan, which was always to attack the media vttb was always to attack the media vttb a was always to attack the media with a famous was always to attack the media with a famous person. So they got with a famous person. So they get bary with a famous person. So they get barry, bat with a famous person. So they got harry, put him into court, ana got harry, put him into court, and rave got harry, put him into court, and bes got harry, put him into court, and now hes exposed himself as senebeay and now hes exposed himself as senebeay vbe and now hes exposed himself as somebody who really doesnt, as you somebody who really doesnt, as yea say, somebody who really doesnt, as yea say, tnev somebody who really doesnt, as you say, know his somebody who really doesnt, as you say, know his own argument. Vett you say, know his own argument. Welt,. You say, know his own argument. Welt,. Mean you say, know his own argument. Well, i mean, there you say, know his own argument. Well, i mean, there were 33 arttstes well, i mean, there were 33 articles that well, i mean, there were 33 articles that the well, i mean, there were 33 articles that the judge had setestea articles that the judge had selected to articles that the judge had selected to be articles that the judge had selected to be discussed. He selected to be discussed. He stearty selected to be discussed. He stearty. Selected to be discussed. He clearly i mean, selected to be discussed. He clearly i mean, im not even bett clearly i mean, im not even beteat clearly i mean, im not even sure hed out articles sure hed read out the articles agatn sure hed read out the articles again, thoroughly sure hed read out the articles again, thoroughly. He seemed to nave again, thoroughly. He seemed to haveknowledge again, thoroughly. He seemed to have knowledge many of have little knowledge of many of tben. Have little knowledge of many of tben. Tbeagbt them. I mean, i thought the vbete them. I mean, i thought the vbete tbtng them. I mean, i thought the whole thing was them. I mean, i thought the whole thing was frankly embarrassing the whole thing was frankly embarrassingthe of embarrassing on the point of betng embarrassing on the point of being humiliate embarrassing on the point of being humiliate , getting the being humiliate, getting the cbetsy being humiliate, getting the cbetsy bavy being humiliate, getting the chelsy davy point that i just nenttenea chelsy davy point that i just mentioned in chelsy davy point that i just mentioned in the introduction, very mentioned in the introduction, very interesting. Mentioned in the introduction, very interesting. Was very interesting. There was a lot very interesting. There was a bet en very interesting. There was a bet en cbetsy very interesting. There was a lot on chelsy davy, his feelings tbat lot on chelsy davy, his feelings tbat bt lot on chelsy davy, his feelings tbat tt vas lot on chelsy davy, his feelings that it was doomed from the start that it was doomed from the start bart that it was doomed from the start bart. That it was doomed from the start part. I dont know. Berbabs start part. I dont know. Eerbabs tn start part. I dont know. Perhaps im getting this wrong. Perhaps im getting this wrong. I perhaps im getting this wrong. Atnest perhaps im getting this wrong. I almost thought perhaps im getting this wrong. I almost thought what he was saytng i almost thought what he was saytng ts i almost thought what he was saytng ts. I almost thought what he was saying is i wish i almost thought what he was saying is i wish id married cbetsy saying is i wish id married cbetsy bavy saying is i wish id married chelsy davy. Well i think the bent chelsy davy. Well i think the bent ts chelsy davy. Well i think the bent ts. Chelsy davy. Well i think the point is , which chelsy davy. Well i think the point is , which i chelsy davy. Well i think the point is , which i wrote about in point is, which i wrote about in my beet point is, which i wrote about in my beet as point is, which i wrote about in my book as well, point is, which i wrote about in my book as well, she was an taeat my book as well, she was an ideal woman my book as well, she was an ideal woman for my book as well, she was an ideal woman for him. She was young ideal woman for him. She was yeang, very ideal woman for him. She was yeang, very pretty ideal woman for him. She was young, very pretty english, bvtng young, very pretty english, ttvtng tn young, very pretty english, living in southern africa, but stttt living in southern africa, but stttt very living in southern africa, but still very much living in southern africa, but still very much british. And tbey still very much british. And tbey bat still very much british. And tbey bag a still very much british. And they had a lot still very much british. And they had a lot of fun together. But they had a lot of fun together. But bt they had a lot of fun together. But tt atvays they had a lot of fun together. But it always understood that sne but it always understood that sbe trea but it always understood that sbe ttret et but it always understood that she tired of him but it always understood that she tired of him because hes a man she tired of him because hes a manic depressive. She tired of him because hes a manic depressive. He was very be manic depressive. He was very insecure. He was manic depressive. He was very insecure. He was very moody, and tberetere insecure. He was very moody, and therefore thats insecure. He was very moody, and therefore thats why insecure. He was very moody, and therefore thats why they had therefore thats why they had tbe tbat therefore thats why they had the trial separations and things like the trial separations and things ttte tbat. The trial separations and things ttte tbat. Se the trial separations and things like that. So he the trial separations and things like that. So he may look back on like that. So he may look back en bt like that. So he may look back en t ant like that. So he may look back on it and think like that. So he may look back on it and think that would have been on it and think that would have been an on it and think that would have been an easy on it and think that would have been an easy option. But i think bes been an easy option. But i think bes babby been an easy option. But i think bes babby tn been an easy option. But i think hes happy in california and nysett. Hes happy in california and nysett. Be hes happy in california and myself. He likes hes happy in california and myself. He likes paddling in the pants. Pacific. It would have been at beast pacific. It would have been at teast sbe pacific. It would have been at least she would pacific. It would have been at least she would have fitted in. Sbe least she would have fitted in. Sbenave least she would have fitted in. Shehave been least she would have fitted in. She have been very, very she would have been very, very happy she would have been very, very baggybasbess she would have been very, very happyduchess of happy to be the duchess of sassev. Happy to be the duchess of sussex. Would happy to be the duchess of sussex. Would not have sussex. She would not have caused sussex. She would not have causedendless sussex. She would not have caused endless problems that caused the endless problems that tbegban seagbtl caused the endless problems thati meghan sought to meghan has caused and sought to sort meghan has caused and sought to seat et meghan has caused and sought to sort of sabotage meghan has caused and sought to sort of sabotage royal sort of sabotage the royal tabby sort of sabotage the royal family what family for her own purpose. What he family for her own purpose. What beanabte family for her own purpose. What beanabte te family for her own purpose. What heunable to do family for her own purpose. What he unable to do was to he was unable to do was to breaase he was unable to do was to breaase any he was unable to do was to produce any real he was unable to do was to produce any real factual evtenae produce any real factual evidence, any produce any real factual evidence, any killer blow of any nnt evidence, any killer blow of any btnt at evidence, any killer blow of any btnt at at. Evidence, any killer blow of any kind at all. It evidence, any killer blow of any kind at all. It started in the batter kind at all. It started in the batter bart kind at all. It started in the latter part of kind at all. It started in the latter part of today. It will go on latter part of today. It will go en tbreagb latter part of today. It will go on through tomorrow and maybe the on through tomorrow and maybe tbe bay on through tomorrow and maybe tbe aay atter. On through tomorrow and maybe the day after. And on through tomorrow and maybe the day after. And this, of course, is sherborne, who you nenttenet course, is sherborne, who you mentioned earlier, mr sherborne, course, is sherborne, who you men is ned earlier, mr sherborne, course, is sherborne, who you men is the earlier, mr sherborne, course, is sherborne, who you men is the barrister ir sherborne, who is the barrister representing harry. Does he who is the barrister representing harry. Does he have anytbtng representing harry. Does he have anytbtng ab representing harry. Does he have anytbtng ab bts representing harry. Does he have anything up his sleeve, do you tbtnb anything up his sleeve, do you gay, tbat anything up his sleeve, do you think, that will anything up his sleeve, do you think, that will embarrass the ereabe think, that will embarrass the mirror group . No, this is the vby mirror group . No, this is the reason why the mirror group . No, this is the reason why the mirror group is ttgbttng reason why the mirror group is| ttgbttng tbey fighting the case because they tent fighting the case because they dontsherborne fighting the case because they dont sherborne got fighting the case because they don ammunition. Iorne got fighting the case because they donammunition. Thats got fighting the case because they don ammunition. Thats why t fighting the case because they don ammunition. Thats why they the ammunition. Thats why they batt the ammunition. Thats why they bate eat the ammunition. Thats why they bate eat te the ammunition. Thats why they bate eat te att the ammunition. Thats why they paid out to all the the ammunition. Thats why they paid out to all the other people paid out to all the other people. Because the other people tent people. Because the other people tent tbrev people. Because the other people tent tbrev tt people. Because the other people dont throw it in. People. Because the other people dont throw it in. But they tent dont throw it in. But they tent vant dont throw it in. But they dont want on dont throw it in. But they dont want on harry. No but his vbete dont want on harry. No but his vbetebts dont want on harry. No but his wholeits all whole point is its all inference. Whole point is its all inference. How could have inference. How could you have gotinformation inference. 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Well, the point is, see the british judges is, you see the british judges nave is, you see the british judges bave atvays is, you see the british judges have always found in favour of the have always found in favour of tbe teyat have always found in favour of the royal family have always found in favour of the royal family where, as they did the royal family where, as they ate vttb the royal family where, as they did with meghan, the royal family where, as they did with meghan, it was eatrageeas did with meghan, it was outrageous that meghan , against outrageous that meghan, against the outrageous that meghan, against tbe natt outrageous that meghan, against tbe matt was outrageous that meghan, against the mail was able outrageous that meghan, against the mail was able to win, attbeagb the mail was able to win, although she the mail was able to win, although she had signed an naccaate although she had signed an inaccurate statement and it bant inaccurate statement and it bant even inaccurate statement and it didnt even go inaccurate statement and it didnt even go to trial. They gave didnt even go to trial. They gave tt didnt even go to trial. They gave tt te didnt even go to trial. They gave it to meghan without a tbat. Gave it to meghan without a tbat. Tbe gave it to meghan without a trial. The three gave it to meghan without a trial. The three judges in the abbeat trial. The three judges in the abbeat ceart trial. The three judges in the appeal court now they may. He may. Appeal court now they may. He may. Vett appeal court now they may. He rnay. War, bets appeal court now they may. He may. Well, lets just say decree. May. Well, lets just say decide. Im may. Well, lets just say decide. Im going to give it agatn decide. Im going to give it agatn te decide. Im going to give it agatn te tbe decide. Im going to give it again to the royal family. Im notembarrass again to the royal family. Im not embarrass them. But not going to embarrass them. But beve not going to embarrass them. But nevebecaase not going to embarrass them. But how . Because the not going to embarrass them. But how . Because the idea that how . Well, because the idea that the how . Well, because the idea that tbetbe how . Well, because the idea that tbetbe tratb how . Well, because the idea that the the truth both the facts and the truth both aneantect the facts and the truth both aneantect la the facts and the truth both amounted a judge is equally amounted to a judge is equally btzarre. Amounted to a judge is equally btzarre. Vett amounted to a judge is equally bizarre. Well i amounted to a judge is equally bizarre. Well i think we i think we bizarre. Well i think we i think ve tenant bizarre. Well i think we i think we demand vr bizarre. Well i think we i think we demand vr or bizarre. Well i think we i think we demand vr or were into were tnte we demand vr or were into were tnte ance we demand vr or were into were tnte abce tn we demand vr or were into were into alice in wonderland. We into alice in wonderland. 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I mean, he cannot understand that there is a babbc cannot understand that there is a Public Interest cannot understand that there is a Public Interest as the lawyer for a Public Interest as the lawyer ter tbe a Public Interest as the lawyer for the mirror a Public Interest as the lawyer for the mirror said to him , if for the mirror said to him, if he for the mirror said to him, if be teesnt for the mirror said to him, if he doesnt pass for the mirror said to him, if he doesnt pass the exam, it stttt he doesnt pass the exam, it stttt gets he doesnt pass the exam, it still gets into he doesnt pass the exam, it still gets into sandhurst. But still gets into sandhurst. But he still gets into sandhurst. But be teesnt still gets into sandhurst. But he doesnt think still gets into sandhurst. But he doesnt think the public sbeata he doesnt think the public should know he doesnt think the public should know that because he sbeata should know that because he should protect should know that because he should protect his own privacy. Ant should protect his own privacy. Ana en should protect his own privacy. Ana en tbe should protect his own privacy. And on the other should protect his own privacy. And on the other hand, earn nttttens and on the other hand, earn nttttens by and on the other hand, earn millions by invading other beebtes millions by invading other peoples privacy. Final peoples privacy. Final contradiction. Final thought, ten contradiction. Final thought, tern bever contradiction. Final thought, tern bever. Contradiction. Final thought, tom bower. Do contradiction. Final thought, tom bower. Do you sympathise vttb tom bower. Do you sympathise vttb bary tom bower. Do you sympathise vttb barry at tom bower. Do you sympathise with harry at all . Tom bower. Do you sympathise with harry at all . Not at all. Bet with harry at all . Not at all. Bet at with harry at all . Not at all. Bet at at. With harry at all . Not at all. Not at all. Here with harry at all . Not at all. Not at all. Here is a man of unbelievable not at all. Here is a man of unbelievable privilege , of unbelievable privilege, of unbelievable unbelievable privilege, of unbelievable good fortune of bavtng unbelievable good fortune of bavtng been unbelievable good fortune of having been a unbelievable good fortune of having been a prince, never had to having been a prince, never had te verry having been a prince, never had te verry abeat having been a prince, never had to worry about money and all the rest to worry about money and all the rest et to worry about money and all the rest et rt. To worry about money and all the rest et tt. Ana to worry about money and all the rest of it. And yet to worry about money and all the rest of it. And yet his mother abet. Rest of it. And yet his mother abet. Bat, rest of it. And yet his mother abet. Bat, yea rest of it. And yet his mother died. But, you know, millions of ana died. But, you know, millions of men and women died. But, you know, millions of men and women have gone through life men and women have gone through ttte vttb men and women have gone through life with endless men and women have gone through life with endless complications ana life with endless complications and better life with endless complications and Horror Stories. Life with endless complications and Horror Stories. So, yes, and Horror Stories. And so, yes, it and Horror Stories. And so, yes, ttteagb and Horror Stories. And so, yes, ttteagb ter and Horror Stories. And so, yes, ittough for him. And Horror Stories. And so, yes, it tough for him. But he is it was tough for him. But he is ss it was tough for him. But he is ss be it was tough for him. But he is now 38. He should grown up. And now 38. He should grown up. And i now 38. He should grown up. And tbe now 38. He should grown up. And tbe ts now 38. He should grown up. And tbe ts tast now 38. He should grown up. And tbe ts tast an now 38. He should grown up. And i he is just an utterly i think he is just an utterly sbettt i think he is just an utterly spoiltfrankly i think he is just an utterly spoiltfrankly. I think he is just an utterly spoilt frankly. Tom bower, spoilt brat, frankly. Tom bower, tbant spoilt brat, frankly. Tom bower, tbant yea spoilt brat, frankly. Tom bower, tbant yea. Spoilt brat, frankly. Tom bower, thank you. Well, spoilt brat, frankly. Tom bower, thank you. Well, that was hard, thank you. Well, that was hard, man. Bower absolutely no ntstattng man. Bower absolutely no mistaking his man. Bower absolutely no mistaking his words that he beets mistaking his words that he teets ne mistaking his words that he feels no sympathy for harry whatsoever. Feels no sympathy for harry whatsoever. I feels no sympathy for harry whatsoever. I just think the vbete whatsoever. I just think the vbete tbtng whatsoever. I just think the whole thing is whatsoever. I just think the whole thing is very , very sad. I whole thing is very, very sad. I tbtnt whole thing is very, very sad. I tbtnt bes whole thing is very, very sad. I think hes really whole thing is very, very sad. I think hes really humiliated btnsett think hes really humiliated himself over think hes really humiliated himself over the course of the tast himself over the course of the tast ceabte himself over the course of the last couple of himself over the course of the last couple of days. And forever atten last couple of days. And forever atter. Vea last couple of days. And forever after. You know, last couple of days. And forever after. You know, he last couple of days. And forever after. You know, he said he atvays after. You know, he said he always hated after. You know, he said he always hated being called the tbtcte always hated being called the thicko prince. Always hated being called the thicko prince. And tom referred tbere thicko prince. And tom referred tbere te thicko prince. And tom referred there to perhaps thicko prince. And tom referred there to perhaps he got into santbarst there to perhaps he got into sandhurst on there to perhaps he got into sandhurst on terms that others beatent. Sandhurst on terms that others wouldnt. Weve sandhurst on terms that others wouldnt. Weve heard he had spectat wouldnt. Weve heard he had sbectat netb wouldnt. Weve heard he had special help at wouldnt. Weve heard he had special help at eton said he reatty special help at eton said he reatty bated special help at eton said he really hated being called tbtcte really hated being called tbtcte. Really hated being called thicko. I do really hated being called thicko. I do wonder, michael cae thicko. I do wonder, michael cole, former thicko. I do wonder, michael cole, former bbc thicko. I do wonder, michael cole, former bbc royal correspondent, whether he hasnt berbabs correspondent, whether he hasnt perhaps confirmed correspondent, whether he hasnt perhaps confirmed it over the course of the perhaps confirmed it over the course of the last perhaps confirmed it over the course of the last two days. It seants course of the last two days. It sounds harsh, course of the last two days. It sounds harsh, but course of the last two days. It sounds harsh, but if we can revert sounds harsh, but if we can rework an old sounds harsh, but if we can rework an old wartime phrase , rework an old wartime phrase, bts rework an old wartime phrase, bts tearney rework an old wartime phrase, was his journey really necessary 7 was his journey really necessary e venat was his journey really necessary e vtbat ts was his journey really necessary . What is what was his journey really necessary . What is what what was his journey really necessary . What is what what has he achieved . If the purpose was to achieved . If the purpose was to come here and prove that there was criminality at the daily mirror, a respected and well established 100 years Old Newspaper company , and that its newspaper company, and that its journalists and its editors and maybe even its proprietors were guilty of criminality , felonies, guilty of criminality, felonies, which would send them to jail for considerable amount of time. Then youve got to have evidence for that. Theres none. No, for that. Theres none. No, there are. 31 story were cited. There are. 31 story were cited. And between 12 and 26 years ago , which harry has maintained were brought about by illicit means , by legal means. His means, by legal means. His privacy was invaded and it was illegal. It was a criminal act. Well when youre going into the colosseum, into the arena , yeah, colosseum, into the arena, yeah, youve got to go well armed because youre accusing men and women who probably feel that theyre good citizens in a well established trade , which is established trade, which is important to the democracy of this country, who pay their taxes, who are nice to their children an and who live a god fearing life. And youre accusing them of criminal motty its serious business. No, it is. It is. And if youre going to say that, youre going to have to be sure of yourself. And at the end of an ordeal and it was an ordeal, a different sort of ordeal than sitting in the front seat of an apache, a attack helicopter. But it was an ordeal for eight hours. His barrister said to him, you know how did you feel about it . Meaning im going to stop you there, okay . Im going to stop you there, okay . Im going to stop yea tbere. There, okay . Im going to stop you there. Theres there, okay . Im going to stop you there. Theres a g� tzrtz; , im going to stop you there. Theres a reason. Tberes you there. Theres a reason. Tberes a you there. Theres a reason. Theres a good you there. Theres a reason. Theres a good reason because as ban theres a good reason because as ban vveetten theres a good reason because as dan wootton tonight is going to go dan wootton tonight is going to ge tnte dan wootton tonight is going to ge tnte tbts dan wootton tonight is going to ge tnte tbts tn dan wootton tonight is going to go into this in depth and hes got go into this in depth and hes getlacter go into this in depth and hes getlacterlbtay go into this in depth and hes got actor play prince got an actor to play prince tarry. Got an actor to play prince barry. Se got an actor to play prince barry. Se. Got an actor to play prince harry. So i want got an actor to play prince harry. So i want you to watch ban harry. So i want you to watch ban vveetten harry. So i want you to watch dan wootton tonight and the very, dan wootton tonight and the very, very dan wootton tonight and the very, very bent, dan wootton tonight and the very, very point, very, very very, very point, the very, very bent very, very point, the very, very betnt tbat very, very point, the very, very point thatcole very, very point, the very, very point that cole just point that michael cole just mate, point that michael cole just magwhar point that michael cole just made, what youll see made, this is what youll see tater made, this is what youll see taterlvttb made, this is what youll see laterwith dan made, this is what youll see later with dan wootton. Later on with dan wootton. Teave later on with dan wootton. Teave been later on with dan wootton. Youve been sat later on with dan wootton. Youve been sat in later on with dan wootton. Youve been sat in the later on with dan wootton. Youve been sat in the witness box for over a day and a half. Youve had to go through these articles answer questions youve had to go through these aiverys answer questions youve had to go through these aivery publicinswer questions youve had to go through these aivery public courtroom,. Tions youve had to go through these aivery public courtroom, knowing a very public courtroom, knowing the media is watching how was that made you feel . Its a lot. That made you feel . Its a lot. So he was he was emotionally cbetet so he was he was emotionally cbetet ab so he was he was emotionally cbetet ab. So he was he was emotionally choked up. Was so he was he was emotionally choked up. Was he or was it all choked up. Was he or was it all pre choked up. Was he or was it all be nanaget choked up. Was he or was it all pre managed and choked up. Was he or was it all pre managed and staged . Pre managed and staged . Interesting. Pre managed and staged . Interesting. Pre managed and staged . Interesting. Rzr interesting. Come on. I well, come on, the princes trust. You think hes pulling pulling the you think hes pulling pulling tbe vect you think hes pulling pulling the wool over you think hes pulling pulling the wool over my eyes . I mean, bes the wool over my eyes . I mean, bes been the wool over my eyes . I mean, hes been through the wool over my eyes . I mean, hes been through hes been tbreagb hes been through hes been tbreagb etgbt hes been through hes been through eight hours of interrogation. He then his interrogation. He then gets his own barrister interrogation. He then gets his own barrister to interrogation. He then gets his own barrister to come on for the tast own barrister to come on for the tast bttte own barrister to come on for the last little bit own barrister to come on for the last little bit that own barrister to come on for the last little bit that questions teet last little bit that questions teet ab last little bit that questions teet an ant last little bit that questions teed up and he last little bit that questions teed up and he starts blubbing. I teed up and he starts blubbing. Mean teed up and he starts blubbing. Bts teed up and he starts blubbing. I mean, its all teed up and he starts blubbing. I mean, its all its teed up and he starts blubbing. I mean, its all its all the vbete i mean, its all its all the vbete tbtng i mean, its all its all the whole thing is i mean, its all its all the whole thing is a i mean, its all its all the whole thing is a complete sham. Vett whole thing is a complete sham. Web. Bets whole thing is a complete sham. Web. Bets tast whole thing is a complete sham. Well, lets just take whole thing is a complete sham. Well, lets just take one whole thing is a complete sham. Well, lets just take one little nugget of this. The thing that i thought was most interesting today, because it did involve him, it it was said or he said that he discovered a tracking device on the car of chelsy davy , his long time girlfriend. And another one on a car of a friend of his who was close to him. And in that testimony , he he named in that testimony, he he named the person who put those bugs on those cars. Im not going to name them because although its privileged and the man may be entirely innocent and i dont want to libel him in that sense, although it wouldnt be liable because its privileged. But lets keep of it. Now, lets keep him out of it. Now, if youre going to make that allegation, how can you not then go on and prove that it was the mirror that procured that act . Mirror that procured that act . Thats a criminal act. On the face of it, its a criminal act. So where is the connection between the mirror, that action and a story that appeared in the paper now , supposition on paper now, supposition on suspicion , allegation, suspicion, allegation, accusation , action. None of accusation, action. None of these are proof. And this is a case which will turn on the proof, the evidence that is laid before the judge. Its a civil case. Its decided on the balance of probabilities. Was it balance of probabilities. Was it more likely or was it less likely that this happened . But likely that this happened . But and im sure mrjustice fancourt will bend over backwards to make sure he gets an absolutely fair ride, as he should do , but he ride, as he should do, but he can only act. The judge on the evidence thats been adduced. Evidence thats been adduced. Yeah, thats what i think. And a ttnat yeah, thats what i think. And a ttnat tbeagbtr yeah, thats what i think. And a final thought, michael cole, do you final thought, michael cole, do yea teet final thought, michael cole, do yea teet any final thought, michael cole, do you feel any sympathy for prince barrye you feel any sympathy for prince barrye. You feel any sympathy for prince barrye. Te you feel any sympathy for prince barrye. Te. You feel any sympathy for prince barrye t te. You feel any sympathy for prince harry . I do. I do. You feel any sympathy for prince harry . I do. I do. I you feel any sympathy for prince harry . I do. Cast harry . I do. I do. I tell you why . Because about 200 yards in that direction is the lindo wing of saint marys church. Saint marys hospital hospital. And he came out of that as a newborn baby. His mother looking very beautiful with her hair down and all dressed in red. Maybe that was a clue , his red hair and so was a clue, his red hair and so on. And was a clue, his red hair and so on. And hes been under scrutiny his whole life. He didnt enjoy it as a child. He let his emotions show and his mother was taken from him in the most terrible and cruel circumstances when he was 12 years old. Hes covering that with him. Hes never shed it. He he covering that with him. Hes never shed it. He he is prey to that that anger and that anxiety and that fury. Its all genuine in of course, the hurt is raw andifs in of course, the hurt is raw and its real. And i know what tom said at 38 years old, hes got to grow up and be mature. But some people are better at coping with with misfortune and tragedy than than others. I wouldnt condemn him for that. But i do think very, very strongly that he should have taken proper and good advice. Really do. Because if youre going to say this thing, i get the feeling and i and i regret it, that he hasnt been well prepared or he hasnt been well advised. Well well, yes. But he is 38. And if tom advised. Well well, yes. But he is 38. And if tom is advised. Well well, yes. But he is 38. And if tom is right at labial gilt . But he is 38. And if tom is right that bagb is 38. And if tom is right that bagb crants is 38. And if tom is right that hugh grants sort is 38. And if tom is right that hugh grants sort of talked him tnte hugh grants sort of talked him tnte g, hugh grants sort of talked him tnte g,. Hugh grants sort of talked him into it, i dont hugh grants sort of talked him into it, i dont know. Its all into it, i dont know. Its all tast into it, i dont know. Its all tast very into it, i dont know. Its all tast very sat into it, i dont know. Its all tast very sat. Into it, i dont know. Its all just very sad. Michael cole, just very sad. Michael cole, tbant just very sad. Michael cole, tbant yea just very sad. Michael cole, tbant yea very just very sad. Michael cole, thank you very much indeed. I vant thank you very much indeed. I want te thank you very much indeed. I want te knew thank you very much indeed. I want to know your thoughts, tetts want to know your thoughts, tetts. Want to know your thoughts, tetts. Be want to know your thoughts, tetts. Be yea want to know your thoughts, folks. Do you have some sympathy folks. Do you have some sympathy for folks. Do you have some sympathy ter trtnce folks. Do you have some sympathy ter trtnce tarry folks. Do you have some sympathy for prince harry farage at cbnnews. Com for prince harry farage at cbnnews. Com in a moment, a big regga cbnnews. Com in a moment, a big rebert, a cbnnews. Com in a moment, a big rebert, a btg cbnnews. Com in a moment, a big rebert, a btg sarvey cbnnews. Com in a moment, a big report, a big survey 75 years on tren report, a big survey 75 years on from windrush, report, a big survey 75 years on from windrush, which says the etbntc from windrush, which says the ethnic minorities from windrush, which says the ethnic minorities living in brttatn ethnic minorities living in britain believe this is by far tbe britain believe this is by far tbe best britain believe this is by far the best and britain believe this is by far the best and most tolerant ceantry the best and most tolerant ceantry tn the best and most tolerant country in the the best and most tolerant country in the whole of the western country in the whole of the western world. Country in the whole of the western world. And why do we keep western world. And why do we keep beattng western world. And why do we keep beating ourselves up . All of keep beating ourselves up . All et tbat keep beating ourselves up . All et tbat tn keep beating ourselves up . All et tbat tn a keep beating ourselves up . All of that in a couple of minutes. Of that in a couple of minutes. Centng of that in a couple of minutes. Centng ab. Of that in a couple of minutes. Coming up. Brace of that in a couple of minutes. Coming up. Brace yourself for day coming up. Brace yourself for tay twe coming up. Brace yourself for tay tve et coming up. Brace yourself for day two of harrys high court testtneny day two of harrys high court testtneny as day two of harrys high Court Testimony as we day two of harrys high Court Testimony as we continue our ecatsve testimony as we continue our exclusive coverage of his assaatt exclusive coverage of his assaatt en exclusive coverage of his assault on the exclusive coverage of his assault on the british free tress assault on the british free press. Expect assault on the british free press. , tztbz; assault on the british free press. Expect more bombshells like this using zahawi, the first to face may have come from a voicemail. Thats how ive atvays a voicemail. Thats how ive atvays see a voicemail. Thats how ive always seen him. A voicemail. Thats how ive always seen him. Ive tact . L thats how ive always seen him. Ive never snetet always seen him. Ive never snetet a always seen him. Ive never snetet ayetnt always seen him. Ive never smoked a joint in that pub or in my tatbers smoked a joint in that pub or in my fathers house. Smoked a joint in that pub or in my fathers house. So join me. Sanantba my fathers house. So join me. Samantha markle, my fathers house. So join me. Samantha markle, lady my fathers house. So join me. Samantha markle, Lady Colin Campbell and jim davidson for harrys evidence. The verdict day two coming up on dan wootton tonight, 9 pm. To 11 pm. Only on listening to gb news radio. I listening to gb news radio. |. Ascet listening to gb news radio. I. Astet yea. Listening to gb news radio. I i asked you, do listening to gb news radio. I i asked you, do we listening to gb news radio. I asked you, do we sympathise with prince harry . L says. Absolutely yes. The press absolutely yes. The press influenced minds with no regard for respecting privacy. They happily lie and then print a tiny apology. Well, ive got to tell you, there is some truth in that. Tell you, there is some truth in that. Yes, you get a big front that. Yes, you get a big front page story thats not right. And then the apology is in the bottom page two, its bottom of page two, and its about that big. That is true. But to live but thats what you have to live with as a public figure. And a free press, im afraid. And its always been that, always been like that, ryan says. Not slightest. Says. Not in the slightest. I sympathise with the judge who has suffer harrys woke has to suffer harrys woke droning voice. Thats a bit rough, ryan. And one viewer says, im actually fed up with heanng says, im actually fed up with hearing about harry. There must be important things to be more important things to report on which are actually relevant to our lives. All relevant to our lives. All right. On that point, im going to introduce Femi Nylander , to introduce Femi Nylander, political campaigner and activist. Welcome activist. Welcome to the programme. British future think tank report out today. Programme. British future think tank report out today. A survey tank report out today. A survey of ethnic minorities in britain and 80 said theyd rather live in the united kingdom. They in the united kingdom. They thought it was the best place to live of all western countries. And i just thought, isnt that on the face of it, a bit of good news . Imean, on the face of it, a bit of good news . I mean, not necessarily tbe news . I mean, not necessarily ttte ttrstty news . I mean, not necessarily ttte ttrstty. News . I mean, not necessarily ttte ttrstty ,. News . 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All of these dark parts of the tarebean all of these dark parts of the european history all of these dark parts of the european history which have led to european history which have led te attttates european history which have led to attitudes of european history which have led to attitudes of racism and bretattce to attitudes of racism and prejudice xenophobia of prejudice and xenophobia of atrtcan prejudice and xenophobia of african history prejudice and xenophobia of african history as well, arent tbeye african history as well, arent tbeye tbere african history as well, arent they . There are african history as well, arent they . There are dark african history as well, arent they . Cat f. They . There are dark parts of africa. There were plenty of african slave traders actually selling the slaves. There were some africans slaves. No, no, no. I mean, i mean, this is no. I mean, so i mean, this is there were also like this is also a bad argument at the end of day. Well, hang on. If of the day. Well, hang on. If you of the day. Well, hang on. If yea vant of the day. Well, hang on. If yea vant te of the day. Well, hang on. If you want to have car well, hang on. If you want to have that argument, if you want to have that argument, tttt you want to have that argument, tttt yea you want to have that argument, tttt yea gtve you want to have that argument, tttt yea gtve ne you want to have that argument, if if you give me your son if you if you give me your son on if you if you give me your son en a rebate if you if you give me your son en a rebate ant if you if you give me your son on a plate and i if you if you give me your son on a plate and i do something dodgy on a plate and i do something tetgytben on a plate and i do somethingi dodgythencant dodgy with him, then you cant tetent dodgy with him, then you cant defend yourself dodgy with him, then you cant defend yourself saying, oh, vett defend yourself saying, oh, wag,. Defend yourself saying, oh, well, i barbary defend yourself saying, oh, well, i barbary pirates. The barbary well, i barbary pirates. The barbaryet well, i barbary pirates. The barbaryof north well, i barbary pirates. The barbary of north africa barbary pirates of north africa took nearly a million white slaves coast. How slaves from the west coast. How many how black slaves from the west coast. How. Many how black were many how many black slaves were all many how many black slaves were attacress many how many black slaves were attacress tbe all trafficked across the atlantic . All trafficked across the atlantic . Two all trafficked across the atlantic . 3 all trafficked across the atlantic . G all trafficked across the atlantic . Two wrongs make a right. You . But this report right. Are you . But this report is about where are today. Is about where we are today. Right . But this report is a survey. I mean, do we know survey. I mean, do we know anytbtng survey. I mean, do we know anything about at; i mean, do we know anything about this think tank . Can anything about this think tank . Can yea anything about this think tank . Can yea tett anything about this think tank . Can you tell me anything about this think tank . Can you tell me anything about tbts can you tell me anything about tbstanke can you tell me anything about thistank . There this think tank . There are pretty this think tank . There are pretty neutral this think tank . There are pretty neutral think tank, brtttsb pretty neutral think tank, british future. A; bi british future. Theyre not. Theyre not left. Theyre not. Whats that background . Theyre looking attitudes. Whats that background . Theyre lookingtheir attitudes. Whats that background . Theyre lookingtheir background . Es. Whats that background . Theyre lookingtheir background . What whats their background . What gtves whats their background . What givescredibility . Whats their background . What gives credibility . Gives them any credibility . Web. Gives them any credibility . Web. Bts gives them any credibility . Vtett. Tts a gives them any credibility . Well, its a poll gives them any credibility . Well, its a poll conducted by focaldata, are a member of focaldata, who are a member of the british polling council. All right. So thats the point. To get the point to hoist on board is has been done by a is this has been done by a legitimate polling company. Now what is that what the poll also says is that many members ethnic many members of the ethnic communities believe is communities believe there is some discrimination some form of discrimination happenin some form of discrimination happen in country today. Some form of discrimination happen in country today. And happen in the country today. And so, you know, im being balanced with thats what they say. With this. Thats what they say. All im saying to you , femi, is all im saying to you, femi, is i just get this narrative to too often that somehow i think our schools are teaching it, that somehow this country is uniquely evil and actually its not uniquely evil. Europe europe has a btstery uniquely evil. Europe europe has abtstery. Teet uniquely evil. Europe europe has a history. Look at a. Caclr l Europe Europe has a history. Look at germany, alternative a history. Look at germany, alternative for a history. Look at germany, alternative for deutschland becentng alternative for deutschland becoming the alternative for deutschland becoming the second biggest part party becoming the second biggest part barty tn becoming the second biggest part barty tn tbe becoming the second biggest part party in the country. Look at teet party in the country. Look at beet at party in the country. Look at look at france party in the country. Look at look at france and marine le ten. Look at france and marine le ten. Tarebe look at france and marine le een. Tarebe as look at france and marine le pen. Europe as a look at france and marine le pen. Europe as a as a continent bas pen. Europe as a as a continent baslvery pen. Europe as a as a continent baslvery tart pen. Europe as a as a continent has very dark relationship to has a very dark relationship to etber has a very dark relationship to etber parts has a very dark relationship to etber barts et has a very dark relationship to other parts of the has a very dark relationship to other parts of the world because tarebe other parts of the world because tarebe betng other parts of the world because europe being one other parts of the world because europe being one of the wealthier europe being one of the wealthier parts of the world and you wealthier parts of the world and yea nenttenet wealthier parts of the world and you mentioned the west as an entry you mentioned the west as an enttty tbat you mentioned the west as an entity that includes the United States entity that includes the United States, includes entity that includes the United States, includes australia entity that includes the United States zealand. Ludes australia entity that includes the United States zealand. Lude we istralia entity that includes the United States zealand. Lude we talklia entity that includes the United States zealand. Lude we talk about , new zealand. But we talk about ntgratten , new zealand. But we talk about ntgratten bere , new zealand. But we talk about migration here. We , new zealand. But we talk about migration here. We talk about senttng migration here. We talk about senttnget migration here. We talk about sending of the migration here. We talk about sending of the people, sending back all of the people, ttgbtt sending back all of the people, right . Indigenous sending back all of the people, right . Indigenous people right . Are the Indigenous People we tatt right . Are the Indigenous People we talk about. Right . Are the Indigenous People we talk about. The right . Are the Indigenous People we talk about. The indigenous bats we talk about. The indigenousi brtts beebte brits are the Indigenous People of brits are the Indigenous People et vvby brits are the Indigenous People et vvby are brits are the Indigenous People et vvby tbel of new zealand. Why are the tnttgeneas of new zealand. Why are the Indigenous People of america vbtte Indigenous People of america vbtte n0, Indigenous People of America White no, because they travel aeant white no, because they travel aeant tbe white no, because they travel around the and white no, because they travel around the and they set up around the world and they set up etber around the world and they set up etber btaces around the world and they set up other places and around the world and they set up other places and people move and at tbe other places and people move and at tbe ent other places and people move and at tbe ent et other places and people move and at the end of the other places and people move and at the end of the day, if we bave at the end of the day, if we bave tt at the end of the day, if we bave b we at the end of the day, if we have if we have at the end of the day, if we have if we have this concept of tbe have if we have this concept of tbe vvest have if we have this concept of tbe vvest et have if we have this concept of the west of course have if we have this concept of the west of course there are going the west of course there are getng te the west of course there are getng te be the west of course there are going to be people in britain vbe going to be people in britain vbe say going to be people in britain vbe say tbat going to be people in britain who say that its going to be people in britain who say that its nicer to be in brttatn who say that its nicer to be in brttatn tban who say that its nicer to be in britain than in who say that its nicer to be in britain than in france or in cernany britain than in france or in cernany, bat britain than in france or in germany, but its not necessarily germany, but its not necessarily a good thing to say veretban necessarily a good thing to say were than another were better than another ceantry were better than another ceantryabse were better than another country also has racist country that also has racist attttates country that also has racist| attitudes. Than attitudes. Were better than etber other countries. But also, are you other countries. But also, are yea saggesttng other countries. But also, are you suggesting better than you suggesting were better than anetber you suggesting were better than another country . You suggesting were better than another country . Are you also yea another country . Are you also are you suggesting that the afd, are you suggesting that the afd, are tbe are you suggesting that the nattenat are you suggesting that the National Rally are you suggesting that the National Rally france, are National Rally in france, are you National Rally in france, are yea tbel National Rally in france, are you the brothers National Rally in france, are yo italy, the brothers National Rally in france, are yo italy,youthe brothers National Rally in france, are yo italy, you suggestingthers of italy, are you suggesting tbese of italy, are you suggesting tbese ae of italy, are you suggesting these are all of italy, are you suggesting these are all racist parties . On, these are all racist parties . Eblcearse. These are all racist parties . Oh,. Course. I these are all racist parties . Oh, course. I mean, these oh, of course. I mean, these barttes oh, of course. I mean, these eantestbe parties generally, the xenophobic xenophobic parties, theyre barttes xenophobic parties, theyre barttesteny xenophobic parties, theyre parties deny, deny the parties that deny, deny the btstery parties that deny, deny the btstery et parties that deny, deny the history of their parties that deny, deny the history of their own countries ant history of their own countries ant teny history of their own countries ant teny tbe history of their own countries and deny the relationship that tbetr and deny the relationship that their countries and deny the relationship that their countries have to other parts their countries have to other parts et their countries have to other parts et tbe their countries have to other parts of the world in terms of colonialism, parts of the world in terms of colonialism, l parts of the world in terms of. Colonialism, | dont colonialism, in terms of i dont tbtnt colonialism, in terms of i dont thinkgerman colonialism, in terms of i dont think German Political Party think any German Political Party tentes think any German Political Party tentes bts think any German Political Party denies its awful think any German Political Party denies its awful history. Oh,. G,rhgy denies its awful history. Oh, no,they dont denies its awful history. Oh, no, they dont deny denies its awful history. Oh, no,they dont deny the no, they do. They dont deny the holocaust, no, they do. They dont deny the holocaust, which no, they do. They dont deny the holocaust, which happened in tabbe holocaust, which happened in tareeetben holocaust, which happened in. Europe. Themhave europe. Most of them would have netbtng europe. Most of them would have netbtnglte europe. Most of them would have nothingdo with europe. Most of them would have nothing do with talking about nothing to do with talking about bantbta nothing to do with talking about bantbtatbe nothing to do with talking about namibia the herero massacre namibia and the herero massacre in namibia and the herero massacre tn bantbta namibia and the herero massacre in namibia. Parts namibia and the herero massacre in namibia. Parts of it there. Vteatt in namibia. Parts of it there. Vteattttte in namibia. Parts of it there. Wouldlikelsee in namibia. Parts of it there. I wouldlikelsee happen . In namibia. Parts of it there. Wouldlikelsee happen . Would you like to see happen . The is one dark part the holocaust is one dark part of the holocaust is one dark part etbtstery. The holocaust is one dark parti ofhistory. Would of german history. What would you of german history. What would yeaseet of german history. What would yeaseer ene of german history. What would yousee . One dark of german history. What would you see . One dark part you like to see . One dark part of you like to see . One dark part et cernany. You like to see . One dark part of germany. What you like to see . One dark part of germany. What would you like to of germany. What would you like te see of germany. What would you like te babbene of germany. What would you like to see happen . What would i like to see happen . What would i like to across europe to see happen across europe or in to see happen across europe or tnbt to see happen across europe or tnbt er to see happen across europe or tnbt er tn to see happen across europe or in uk or in general . In the in the uk or in general . In the ace in the uk or in general . In the atett in the uk or in general . In the ateltt tbe in the uk or in general . In the uk . Id like to in the uk or in general . In the uk . Id like to see in the uk or in general . In the uk . Id like to see a huge uk . Or id like to see a huge sbttt uk . Or id like to see a huge sbttt tn uk . Or id like to see a huge sbttt tn ea uk . Or id like to see a huge shift in our understanding of our shift in our understanding of bast shift in our understanding of bast. Ter shift in our understanding of our past. For one, id be proud tbat our past. For one, id be proud tbatstabbet our past. For one, id be proud that stamped slavery. That we stamped out slavery. Vea that we stamped out slavery. Teabe that we stamped out slavery. Teabe breat that we stamped out slavery. Yoube proud that that we stamped out slavery. Yoube proud that we. You mean be proud that we stamped slavery . And we did. Stamped out slavery . And we did. Jemmy stamped out slavery . And we did. Yenny sabe stamped out slavery . And we did. Jemmy savile, stop, stamped out slavery . And we did. Jemmy savile, stop, stop, 3th q . And we did. Jemmy savile, stop, stop, stop. Of jemmy savile, stop, stop, stop. Et tetng of himself doing doing kidley ttttttng sayl fiddling. Did you get to say tbat fiddling. Did you get to say tbatnever fiddling. Did you get to say thatnever did fiddling. Did you get to say that never did it in the that he never did it in the basta that he never did it in the paste bet that he never did it in the paste bet te that he never did it in the past . Not do you not acknowledge that past . Not do you not acknowledge tbat stavery past . Not do you not acknowledge that slavery,first past . Not do you not acknowledge that slavery, first country that slavery, the first country to that slavery, the first country testavery that slavery, the first country to slavery, was to get rid of slavery, was battt. To get rid of slavery, was battt. Ant to get rid of slavery, was haiti. And know to get rid of slavery, was haiti. Andknow did haiti. And you know how they did it. Haiti. And you know how they did t. Be haiti. And you know how they did tt. Bebnev haiti. And you know how they did it. Doknow how haiti. And you know how they did it. Do know how they did it . It. Do you know how they did it . Do it. Do you know how they did it . Be yea it. Do you know how they did it . Be yea bneve it. Do you know how they did it . Do you know . Do it. Do you know how they did it . Do you know . Do you how do you know . Do you know how tbey. Do you know . Do you know how tbey. Ittea do you know . Do you know how they. Idea. Have do you know . Do you know how they. Idea. Have no do you know . Do you know how they. Idea. Have no idea they. No idea. You have no idea abeat they. No idea. You have no idea abeat tbat they. No idea. You have no idea about that history they. No idea. You have no idea about that history about haiti. Ttterary about that history about haiti. Ttterary expert about that history about haiti. Literary expert on about that history about haiti. Literary expert on haiti literary expert on haiti literally having a revolution literary expert on haiti literchoppingg a revolution literary expert on haiti literchopping g a the lution literary expert on haiti literchopping g a the slave] and chopping off the slave masters they were masters heads because they were enslaving them and was enslaving them and there was a violent revolution to rid violent revolution to get rid of slavery haiti. And there was slavery in haiti. And there was arevetatten slavery in haiti. And there was arevolution to slavery in haiti. And there was a revolution to get slavery in haiti. And there was arevolution to get rid. A violent revolution to get rid of a violent revolution to get rid et stavery a violent revolution to get rid et stavery. Vea a violent revolution to get rid of slavery. You acknowledge bttttan of slavery. You acknowledge William Wilberforce coming along and William Wilberforce coming along ant trace William Wilberforce coming along ant cracelneti William Wilberforce coming along andfirst. Grace. Not| William Wilberforce coming along andfirst. Do grace not William Wilberforce coming along andfirst. Do you grace not William Wilberforce coming along andfirst. Do you acknowledge not the first. Do you acknowledge getet the first. Do you acknowledge get of acknowledge get rid of do you acknowledge the get rid of do you acknowledge tbetratee get rid of do you acknowledge thetrade . Do get rid of do you acknowledge thetrade . Do you the slave trade . Do you acknowledge the role of the royal navy decades in royal navy over decades in stamping out slave trade . Royal navy over decades in stanthis] out slave trade . Royal navy over decades in stanthis affected slave trade . Royal navy over decades in stanthis affected slave traof. and this affected millions of. Let tell you a bit about it. Let me tell you a bit about it. First of all, they got rid of tbe first of all, they got rid of tbe stave first of all, they got rid of the slave trade. First of all, they got rid of the slave trade. They didnt get rid the slave trade. They didnt get rtt ttrstty the slave trade. They didnt get rid firstly they rid of slavery. Firstly they tntttaby yeai initially initially. No, you let me initially initially. No, you let eya initially initially. No, you let. Ne yearstrnbte me respond to your very simple to me respond to your very simple te year me respond to your very simple to your question. Me respond to your very simple to your question. � ftt� tz; bi to your question. Were out of time. Do you acknowledge do i acknowledge extraordinary acknowledge the extraordinary role . No. The royal navy role . No. That the royal navy played in stamping slavery, played in stamping out slavery, that slavery was that the ending of slavery was largely economic decision in largely an economic decision in terms no, terms of the uk also . No, i think they terms of the uk also . No, i thinkthey abolished. Terms of the uk also . No, ii thinkthey abolished the think that they abolished the stave think that they abolished the stavetbey think that they abolished the slave theyevenj slave trade. They didnt even abettsb slave trade. They didnt even abolish slavery slave trade. They didnt even abolish slavery. A slave trade. They didnt even abolish slavery a while. We abolish slavery for a while. We veent abolish slavery for a while. We werent allowed abolish slavery for a while. We werent allowed sail the werent allowed to sail on the ates werent allowed to sail on the ates bts werent allowed to sail on the waters. Its not werent allowed to sail on the waters. Its not licence. Isnt it waters. Its not licence. Isnt tt ter waters. Its not licence. Isnt tt ter ne waters. Its not licence. Isnt tt ter me te waters. Its not licence. Isnt it for me to say waters. Its not licence. Isnt it for me to say that i have stebbet it for me to say that i have stebbet tetng it for me to say that i have stopped doing something and i sbeatt stopped doing something and i sbeatt be stopped doing something and i should be proud stopped doing something and i should be proud of it. When i tet should be proud of it. When i bet ee should be proud of it. When i led onemost should be proud of it. When i led one most barbarous, led one of the most barbarous, we led one of the most barbarous, ve tben led one of the most barbarous, ve tben ee led one of the most barbarous, we then one of led one of the most barbarous, we then one of the led one of the most barbarous, we then one of the most barbareas we then one of the most barbarous stopped barbarous and we then stopped etbers barbarous and we then stopped etbers tetng barbarous and we then stopped others doing one barbarous and we then stopped others doing one of the most barbareas others doing one of the most barbarous human barbarous things in human btstery. Barbarous things in human. Btstery stave history. Do you like the slave tratee history. Do you like the slave tratee be history. Do you like the slave tratee be t history. Do you like the slave trade . Do i like history. Do you like the slave trade . Do i like britain . Oh, i beve trade . Do i like britain . Oh, i teveet trade . Do i like britain . Oh, i loveof britain, trade . Do i like britain . Oh, i love of britain, loads of love loads of britain, loads of parts love loads of britain, loads of parts et love loads of britain, loads of parts of britain. Love loads of britain, loads of parts of britain. Do you like tbts parts of britain. Do you like tbts ceantrye parts of britain. Do you like this country . Loads part of this country . Loads of part of brttatn. This country . Loads of part of britainlike. This country . Loads of part of britain. Like. Youi britain. I dont like. Do you tbe britain. I dont like. Do you likecountry . Britain. I dont like. Do you likecountry . L britain. I dont like. Do you like country . I like like this country . Do i like tbts like this country . Do i like this country . Like this country . Do i like this country . I like this country . Do i like this country . I like parts of brttatn. This country . I like parts of brttatn. T this country . I like parts of britain. I like this country . I like parts of britain. I like britain as a raging, britain. I like britain as a thriving, bubbling, multicultural of Multicultural Centre of creattvtty Multicultural Centre of creativity of Multicultural Centre of creativity of diversity. I creativity and of diversity. I tent creativity and of diversity. I tent tbe creativity and of diversity. I dont like the creativity and of diversity. I dont like the parts of britain tbat dont like the parts of britain tbat ae dont like the parts of britain that are reactionary , that are reactionary, xenophobic, anti migrant , anti xenophobic, anti migrant, anti beebte xenophobic, anti migrant, anti beebte ant xenophobic, anti migrant, anti people and completely delusional abeat people and completely delusional abeat brtttsb people and completely delusional about british past. People and completely delusional about british past. And you tent about british past. And you tent tbe about british past. And you dont like completely delusional abeat dont like completely delusional abeat yea dont like completely delusional about you dont dont like completely delusional about you dont like our btstery. About you dont like our btstery. Ob. About you dont like our history. Oh, i about you dont like our history. O l history. Oh, i like parts of british history. I dont like nest british history. I dont like nest et british history. I dont like most of british a bait i dont like most of british history. Tberes most of british history. Tberes ne most of british history. Theres no country most of british history. Theres no country in the world where youd like all the history. Oh, no, no, no. All i would say to you at the conclusion of this is i think its disappointing. Yes, there are problems. Yes of course. Our history with everybody else is far perfect. Its far from perfect. Its disappointing far from perfect. Its disappointingcountry disappointing every country in the disappointing every country in tbe an disappointing every country in tbe an enbtre disappointing every country in the an empire that the world have an empire that sbannet the world have an empire that sbannet batt the world have an empire that spanned half of the world have an empire that spanned half of the globe. And you spanned half of the globe. And yea empre spanned half of the globe. And yea enbtre. Spanned half of the globe. Andj you empire. And spanned half of the globe. And you empire. And the you name me an empire. And the btstery you name me an empire. And the btstery et you name me an empire. And the history of humankind that has now commonwealth of now formed a commonwealth of over commonwealth, over 50 commonwealth, commonwealth over 50 commonwealth, commocommonwealth. Theyre joining commonwealth. Theyre leaving. Jamaica wants g theyre leaving. Jamaica wants leave. Leaving. Jamaica wants to leave. No leaving. Jamaica wants to leave. Bena, leaving. Jamaica wants to leave. Nono, no. Theyre no no, no, no, no. Theyre teavtng no no, no, no, no. Theyre leaving want leaving because they dont want cbartes leaving because they dont want charles their leaving because they dont want charles their king leaving because they dont want charles their king because charles to be their king because tbeyve charles to be their king because tbeyve. Netbtng charles to be their king because theyve nothing with theyve got nothing to do with theyve got nothing to do with tbe tab. Theyve got nothing to do with tbe bb. Tbey theyve got nothing to do with the uk. They are theyve got nothing to do with the uk. They are not apart from the uk. They are not apart from tbe tact the uk. They are not apart from tbe tacttbe the uk. They are not apart from the factthe uk the uk. They are not apart from the fact the uk were their the fact that the uk were their cetentat the fact that the uk were their colonialactually the fact that the uk were their colonial actually they colonial overlord, actually they are colonial overlord, actually they teavtng colonial overlord, actually they are leaving. They colonial overlord, actually they are leaving. They dont want cbartes are leaving. They dont want charlesfive are leaving. They dont want charles five countries. Charles on their five countries. T hey charles on their five countries. Tbey en charles on their five countries. Tbey en tbetr they dont want charles on their tenbtes. Vant temples. They dont want you anymore learn anymore. You might learn commonwealth you commonwealth doesnt want you anynere commonwealth doesnt want youi anynere tbat anymore like mozambique. That veatt anymore like mozambique. That veatt never anymore like mozambique. That would never even anymore like mozambique. That would never evenof anymore like mozambique. That would never evenof the. Would never even part of the british now joining british empire. Are now joining the commonwealth. Non fact nonsense. In a moment. Rishi sunakis nonsense. In a moment. Rishi sunak is over the usa. He sunak is over in the usa. He says he wants to forge an Economic Alliance with joe biden. But i wonder, can he really achieve that . Because joe biden doesnt like the uk either britains watching, britains watching. Were proud to be gb beas watching. Were proud to be gb bevs. Watching. Were proud to be gb news. Channel watching. Were proud to be gb news. Channel us , 3 were proud to be gb news. Channel us rishi sunak is news. Channel us rishi sunak is in news. Channel us rishi sunak is tn basbtngten news. Channel us rishi sunak is in washington. News. Channel us rishi sunak is in washington. Ti; a� ti;ti; in washington. Hes there, of course, to meet the us president , joe biden. He wants to forge a closer Economic Alliance. Well, im joined down alliance. Well, im joined down the line from washington dc by Nigel Gardiner , former aide to Nigel Gardiner, former aide to Margaret Thatcher and director of the Margaret Thatcher centre for freedom at the heritage foundation. Nigel its great to have you today. You guys have been trying to take prince harry. Hes been in court here, but youve been taking him to task in america because you want to see what he said on his visa form, how are you getting on with the american Legal Process . Well, nigel, thanks very much for . Well, nigel, thanks very much ter bavtng . Well, nigel, thanks very much ter bavtng ne . Well, nigel, thanks very much for having me on 7 well, nigel, thanks very much for having me on the show today. Its for having me on the show today. Tts te for having me on the show today. Tts te great for having me on the show today. Tts te great see for having me on the show today. Its to great see you. And as you its to great see you. And as you mentioned, its to great see you. And as you mentioned, we have basically taken you mentioned, we have basically taben tbe you mentioned, we have basically taken the department of homeland secartty taken the department of homeland secartty tn taken the department of homeland secartty tn tbe taken the department of Homeland Security in the United States to teterat security in the United States to teterat agar, security in the United States to federal court, to security in the United States to federal court, to release the tnntgratten federal court, to release the immigration records of prince harry. Immigration records of prince harry be immigration records of prince harry. We believe theres a streng harry. We believe theres a streng babbc harry. We believe theres a strong Public Interest in the reeaset strong Public Interest in the reeaset et strong Public Interest in the release of those strong Public Interest in the release of those records, esbectaby release of those records, especially in release of those records, especially in light of harrys atntssten especially in light of harrys admission of especially in light of harrys admission of widespread illegal trag admission of widespread illegal trag ase admission of widespread illegal trag tn admission of widespread illegal drug use. In his admission of widespread illegal drug use. In his book spur. And so drug use. In his book spur. And se we want te drug use. In his book spur. And so we want to establish whether or so we want to establish whether er net so we want to establish whether er net bary so we want to establish whether er net barry vas so we want to establish whether or not harry was honest in terms of or not harry was honest in terms et bts or not harry was honest in terms of his application or not harry was honest in terms of his application and also vbetber of his application and also vbetber be of his application and also whether he was of his application and also whether he was given any preferential whether he was given any preferential treatment. There was a Court Hearing yesterday in the was a Court Hearing yesterday in tbe btstrtct was a Court Hearing yesterday in the district of was a Court Hearing yesterday in the district of columbia, teterat the district of columbia, federal court the district of columbia, federal court presided over by teterat federal court presided over by teterat judge federal court presided over by federal judge. He federal court presided over by federal judge. He has ordered the Department Federal judge. He has ordered the department of homeland secartty the department of homeland secartty te the department of Homeland Security to issue the department of Homeland Security to issue a decision by tuc security to issue a decision by tbc next security to issue a decision by tuc next week security to issue a decision by tuc next week on security to issue a decision by tuc next week on whether or not tbey tuc next week on whether or not tbey vbt tuc next week on whether or not they will release tuc next week on whether or not they will release the record. They will release the record. Ant they will release the record. Ant tt they will release the record. Ant tt tbey they will release the record. And if they do they will release the record. And if they do not release the recerst and if they do not release the records , then and if they do not release the records , then there will likely records, then there will likely be tartber records, then there will likely be further hearings and ultimately be further hearings and ultimately a be further hearings and ultimately a federal judge will tectte ultimately a federal judge will tectte en ultimately a federal judge will decide on whether or not those recerst decide on whether or not those ecerst vbt decide on whether or not those records will be decide on whether or not those records will be released. But i tbtnb records will be released. But i tbtnb a records will be released. But i tbtnb a very records will be released. But i think a very positive hearing yestertay think a very positive hearing yestertay. Think a very positive hearing yesterday. Were fighting to win yesterday. Were fighting to win this yesterday. Were fighting to win tbts tbts yesterday. Were fighting to win this this legal yesterday. Were fighting to win this this legal case. Were ttgbttng this this legal case. Were ttgbttng te this this legal case. Were fighting to hold the Biden Administration to account here. Tn administration to account here. Tn cabtng administration to account here. Tn catttng ter administration to account here. Im calling for transparency and accountability. Im calling for transparency and accountability. Yeah cite sq accountability. Yeah okay. Be very accountability. Yeah okay. Be very interesting to see what the outcome of it is. And a very Big Initiative from the heritage foundation. Now bannau rishi sunak has gone to meet what i think is perhaps the most anti british us president in many, many years to talk about forging a close Economic Alliance. But in the absence of alliance. But in the absence of a free trade agreement, which the Biden Administration seems hell bent on not doing is on the economics of this rishi, frankly, wasting his time. Uh, frankly, wasting his time. Uh, well , its actually emerged, well, its actually emerged, i think, over the last hour or so here in washington that rishi sunakis here in washington that rishi sunak is not going to be pushing the issue of a us uk trade deal and that is in large part because joe bidens been very hostile towards britain in, as you say, he has been, i think, the most anti british us president in modern times here. Biden is no friend of great brttatn biden is no friend of great brttatn. Biden is no friend of great brttatn. Be biden is no friend of great britain. He has biden is no friend of great britain. He has treated britain britain. He has treated britain in britain. He has treated britain tn an britain. He has treated britain tn an abbabtng britain. He has treated britain in an appalling fashion. Bidens ant breat in an appalling fashion. Bidens anti brexit is in an appalling fashion. Bidens anti brexit is pro in an appalling fashion. Bidens anti brexit is pro eu. He is in an appalling fashion. Bidens anti brexit is pro eu. He is a sneertng anti brexit is pro eu. He is a sneertng ant anti brexit is pro eu. He is a sneering and arrogant left wing bresttent sneering and arrogant left wing president actually who has undermined president actually who has undermined the us uk special retattensbtb undermined the us uk special retattensbtb. Undermined the us uk special relationship. I undermined the us uk special relationship. I do undermined the us uk special relationship. I do think, though relationship. I do think, though its relationship. I do think, though tts a relationship. I do think, though tts a bage relationship. I do think, though its a huge shame relationship. I do think, though its a huge shame that sunak is not its a huge shame that sunak is net basbtng its a huge shame that sunak is not pushing forward actually vttb not pushing forward actually vttb a not pushing forward actually with a us uk not pushing forward actually with a us uk trade deal because many with a us uk trade deal because many ebes with a us uk trade deal because many members of with a us uk trade deal because many members of congress, many us many members of congress, many as seates many members of congress, many us senators fully many members of congress, many us senators fully support a tate us senators fully support a trate teat us senators fully support a trade deal with us senators fully support a trade deal with the united btngten trade deal with the united kingdom. Rishi sunak should be stanttng kingdom. Rishi sunak should be stanttng ab kingdom. Rishi sunak should be stanttng ab te kingdom. Rishi sunak should be standing up to joe biden. He sbeattnt standing up to joe biden. He shouldnt be standing up to joe biden. He shouldnt be demonstrating any stgn shouldnt be demonstrating any stgn et shouldnt be demonstrating any sign of weakness. Shouldnt be demonstrating any sign of weakness. He shouldnt be bevtev sign of weakness. He shouldnt be kowtow bowing to the biden bbtte be kowtow bowing to the biden bbtte bease be kowtow bowing to the Biden White House here, the prime btntster white house here, the Prime Minister should white house here, the Prime Minister should be standing up for minister should be standing up ter brttatn minister should be standing up for britain on minister should be standing up for britain on the minister should be standing up for britain on the world stage. Bts for britain on the world stage. Tts tn for britain on the world stage. Its in britains for britain on the world stage. Its in britains interest to bave its in britains interest to bave a its in britains interest to have a trade its in britains interest to have a trade deal with the bnttet have a trade deal with the United States. Have a trade deal with the United States. Theres tremendous United States. Theres tremendous support in the us cengress. Tremendous support in the us. Cengress. Tbe congress. Sunak should raise the tssaelt congress. Sunak should raise the tssaelt areeg congress. Sunak should raise the issue, i agree. According to issue, but i agree. According to reberts issue, but i agree. According to reberts bere issue, but i agree. According to reports here,hes issue, but i agree. According to reports here, hes dropped issue, but i agree. According to replidea. Ere, hes dropped issue, but i agree. According to replidea. Now hes dropped issue, but i agree. According to replidea. Now es dropped issue, but i agree. According to replidea. Now arbt impact of this on ghana is devastating. And direct quotes and reports from Health Officials in ghana saying that because of a lack of nurses, more people in ghana are dying. More people in ghana are dying. So rather than saying, isnt it wonderful that we take nurses and doctors from much poorer parts of the world, maybe we should think we could do those parts of the world a favour by training more of our own people. Now, Frankie Boyle, left wing comedian , did a show on channel comedian, did a show on channel 4. It was very much anti royal. But i think it went too far. Take a listen to this. And it was just before the coronation i dont make any jokes when the eaeen i dont make any jokes when the eaeen gag, i dont make any jokes when the eaeen gag, t i dont make any jokes when the queen died, i maintained a strtct queen died, i maintained a strict silence queen died, i maintained a strict silence as queen died, i maintained a strict silence as i tried to sneak strict silence as i tried to sneak back strict silence as i tried to sneak back out strict silence as i tried to sneak back out of her bedroom. Oatsbeben sneak back out of her bedroom. Outspoken comedian sneak back out of her bedroom. Outspoken comedian Frankie Boyle isnt the greatest fan of the british monarchy. Henry the etgbtb british monarchy. Henry the etgbtb vas british monarchy. Henry the etgbtb a british monarchy. Henry the eighth was a keen a by henry the eighth was a keen hunter, and judging eighth was a keen hunter, and judging tren eighth was a keen hunter, and judging from his eighth was a keen hunter, and judging from his portraits, he natnty judging from his portraits, he mainly hunted judging from his portraits, he mainly hunted cheese and in his very mainly hunted cheese and in his very antgae mainly hunted cheese and in his own very unique way , the british own very unique way, the british nenarcby own very unique way, the british nenarcby appear own very unique way, the british monarchy appear like animals in a tbats monarchy appear like animals in a zoo thats fallen monarchy appear like animals in a zoo thats fallen on hard ttnes. A zoo thats fallen on hard ttnes. Bes a zoo thats fallen on hard times. Hesto a zoo thats fallen on hardi times. Hesto show a zoo thats fallen on hard times. Hesto show us why times. Hes going to show us why hed like to say farewell to them once for and all to find out about the future of the monarchy. We must look back at tbetr monarchy. We must look back at tbetrse monarchy. We must look back at tbetrse bets monarchy. We must look back at theirso lets getin their past. So lets get out in tbe their past. So lets get out in tbe streets their past. So lets get out in the streetsraise their past. So lets get out in the streetsraise a their past. So lets get out in the streets raise a bottle the streets and raise a bottle to the streets and raise a bottle tettbet the streets and raise a bottle tofilled with the streets and raise a bottle to filled with petrol and to them filled with petrol and a barntng to them filled with petrol and a barntng rag. To them filled with petrol and a burning rag. Well, to them filled with petrol and a burning rag. Well, i think tbats burning rag. Well, i think thats absolutely disgusting. Ant thats absolutely disgusting. Ant yea thats absolutely disgusting. Antyeatabe thats absolutely disgusting. And you. Takemickeyl thats absolutely disgusting. I and you. Takemickey out and you can take the mickey out of Queen Victoria you want of Queen Victoria if you want to. Part to. Although its all part i think anti british think of that anti british narrative that i was discussing just a few moments ago with femi. But to suggest, you know, let us effectively get a petrol bomb and bomb the monarchy , i bomb and bomb the monarchy, i think its absolutely way out of order. I think its absolutely way out of order. I think its insightful. I think if anybody on gb news said it, they would as opposed to channel 4, theyd be total and utter uproar. To channel 4, theyd be total and utter uproar. And yet ofcom and utter uproar. And yet ofcom are regulated for have decided that its okay and i dont often criticise the regulator but i repeat the point. Had that been repeat the point. Had that been said by anybody here at gb news, there would have been hell to pay there would have been hell to pay. In a moment we will talk about dangerous dogs and killer attacks because theyre on the increase rapidly and significantly. And since the pandemic, many more of us own dogs and ill be joined live in the studio by a rhodesian ridgeback well the dog attacks are on the rise. Some of them, of course, fatal. And even today , as we fatal. And even today, as we speak out on the newswires , a speak out on the newswires, a woman in east london attacked and dragged to the ground by three dogs, screaming, terrified shes going to be okay. Wayne davis mp has described an epidemic of killing by dogs. That was that was said last night. And according to the all Party Parliamentary dog advisory welfare group, eight people have died in dog attacks since 2021. I mean , that genuinely is an i mean, that genuinely is an alarming figure. There were 20 arrests made last year of people because they had dangerous dogs and the number of arrests is up. The number of attacks is up , the the number of attacks is up, the number of deaths is up. And of course, the number of dogs is up. And course, the number of dogs is up. And the daily mirror have launched a Campaign Time for action on dangerous dogs. And this is on the back of jack ellis, who was murdered by a dog at the age of ten. Its reached the level where we actually have to have a proper conversation and take this seriously. And work out what is happening now. Work out what is happening now. Ive got two guests with me in the studio. Ive got Paula Osullivan , a canine osullivan, a canine behaviourist, and ive got tilly, i got tilly , the tilly, i got tilly, the rhodesian ridgeback, who at the moment is being incredibly well behaved. Moment is being incredibly well behaved. Of course, paula, thank behaved. Of course, paula, thank you for joining behaved. Of course, paula, thank you forjoining us. Thank you. You for joining us. Thank you. Of course, there have always been problems over the years , been problems over the years, but it is this rate of increase thatis but it is this rate of increase that is disturbing. Looking at the numbers, basically since the pandemic, the number of dogs in the old days, we had dog licences. There was a register of dogs. It was seven and six in old money, but there was a register of dogs and we knew exactly how many dogs there were and how they were categorised, and how they were categorised, and anymore. And that doesnt exist anymore. So many dogs are so knowing how many dogs are owned by families the country owned by families in the country is more difficult. But its certainly gone up 1,015 since the beginning of the pandemic. And i sort of do begin to wonder whether perhaps there are quite a few people whove taken dogs dunng a few people whove taken dogs during lockdown who perhaps dont quite know what theyre doing. Well absolutely. 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So going back to licencing and registration, going back to licencing and registration, so going back to licencing and registration, so do you think we sbeatt registration, so do you think we sbeatt ge registration, so do you think we should go back registration, so do you think we should go back to registration, so do you think we should go back to that 100 . Reab should go back to that 100 . Beab t should go back to that 100 . 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Its unusual for me, but i think it does make sense. Then, of course, the debate moves on to breeds. Now we already have a ban on the Breeding Sale and exchange of pit bull terriers. Exchange of pit bull terriers. Japanese tosas. There are 3 or 4 japanese tosas. There are 3 or 4 breeds of dogs that weve just decided are simply too dangerous. I think part of this is because of the pounds per square inch that they can bite the size and the power. Yeah, the size ant and the power. Yeah, the size ant tbe and the power. Yeah, the size ant tbe bever and the power. Yeah, the size and the power as and the power. Yeah, the size and the power as well bt� t yeah, the size and the power as well. But i and the power as well. But i tt and the power as well. But i mean, id like and the power as well. But i mean, id like to and the power as well. 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I mean, beart thinking about this. I mean, weve heard all thinking about this. I mean, weve heard all sorts of Horror Stories about puppy farms. Weve heard all sorts of Horror Stories about puppy farms. Weve stories about puppy farms. Weve heard i mean, lots of stuff. Heard i mean, lots of stuff. Weve heard about the dog trade. Thats been pretty unsavoury. Thats been pretty unsavoury. Would registration stop all of that . Im would registration stop all of that . Im glad it wouldnt be my job to put in all the legend. You know, im a clinical behaviourist you know, im a clinical behaviourist that that, that. Bat behaviourist that that, that. Bat tt behaviourist that that, that. Bat b be behaviourist that that, that. But if we were behaviourist that that, that. 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So how do we enforce responsible breeding. They so how do we enforce responsible breeding. They should be breeding. They should be bcencet breeding. They should be licenced. They 3 they should be licenced. They should be bcencet licenced. They should be licenced yes, licenced. They should be licenced yes, absolutely. Actuate. Licenced yes, absolutely. Actually, actually licenced yes, absolutely. Actually, actually , licenced yes, absolutely. Actually, actually , the truth is actually, actually, the truth is its even more important that anybody breeding and selling dogsis anybody breeding and selling dogs is licenced than those owning them. Absolutely yes. So it should be the breeders g yes. So it should be the breeders that are licenced it should be the breeders that are licenced and it should be the breeders that are licenced and registered. And tben are licenced and registered. And tben tbat are licenced and registered. And then that gives are licenced and registered. And then that gives them the betenttat then that gives them the potential to then that gives them the potential to vet potential owners and potential to vet potential owners and also raise education ant owners and also raise education and awareness on owners and also raise education and awareness on responsible evnersbtb and awareness on responsible evnersbtb ter and awareness on responsible ownership for anyone that takes any et ownership for anyone that takes any et tbetr ownership for anyone that takes any of their dogs ownership for anyone that takes any of their dogs. \ttijt� tb ownership for anyone that takes any of their dogs. Vita any of their dogs. Now, weve got tilly in the studio. Yes and tilly is being too well behaved. Shes very relaxed now. Tilly is. Shes very relaxed now. Tilly ts a. Shes very relaxed now. Tilly is a rhodesian. Shes very relaxed now. Tilly is a rhodesian ridgeback. Shes very relaxed now. Tilly is a rhodesian ridgeback. Yes. Is a rhodesian ridgeback. 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Well, with tilly, for example, we with tilly, for example, we startet with tilly, for example, we startet etb with tilly, for example, we started off with with tilly, for example, we started off with puppy school, vbtcb started off with puppy school, vbtcbgeet started off with puppy school, which good socialisation started off with puppy school, wienvironment od socialisation started off with puppy school, wienvironment events,alisation started off with puppy school, wienvironment events, people, to environment events, people, btaces to environment events, people, btaces ant to environment events, people, places and other to environment events, people, places and other dogs. Right places and other dogs. Right tren places and other dogs. Right tren tbat places and other dogs. 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Now theres a lot of online puppy training going on, enbne online puppy training going on, Online Training online puppy training going on, Online Training resources, and beebte Online Training resources, and beebte ae Online Training resources, and people are opting for that as an easy people are opting for that as an easy ebtten people are opting for that as an easy option rather people are opting for that as an easy option rather than going to puppy easy option rather than going to puppy schoolb easy option rather than going to puppy schoolsv for easy option rather than going to puppy schools, for example , puppy schools, for example, vbete puppy schools, for example, vbere bts puppy schools, for example, where its really puppy schools, for example, where its really important. Tbe where its really important. The socialisation where its really important. The socialisation really where its really important. The socialisation really is important very, very important. But not just during that crtttcat but not just during that critical stage but not just during that critical stage of development, becaase critical stage of development, because. Should critical stage of development, because should be because it should also be egaaby because it should also be egaatty as because it should also be equally as important throughout ateescencet equally as important throughout adolescence younger adolescence and their younger yeas adolescence and their younger yearsbat adolescence and their younger years. But critically, in years. Right but critically, in tbese years. Right but critically, in tbese ttrst years. Right but critically, in those first 16 years. Right but critically, in those first 16 weeks. Yes okay. Na those first 16 weeks. Yes okay. Be. Bsten those first 16 weeks. Yes okay. No, listen, thats those first 16 weeks. Yes okay. No, listen, thats a valuable conversation. Paula osullivan, conversation. Paula osullivan, thank you for coming tilly thank you for coming in. Tilly thank coming in. Youve thank you for coming in. Youve behaved much. I mean, of course, i didnt want tilly to go completely mad, but tilly completely mad, but. But tilly has been amazingly good and thanks for the chat. And yeah, i thanks for the chat. And yeah, i have to say , this increase, you have to say, this increase, you know, we dont need hysteria in terms of legislation. But i do think what paula is saying, particularly about the breeders being licenced, i think does make a huge amount of sense. Now ive got time for a barrage. The farage leah in bradford has a question for me. Hi, nigel. Question for me. Hi, nigel. Tntty question for me. Hi, nigel. Emily mayfield question for me. Hi, nigel. Emily mayfield ive hi, nigel. Emily mayfield ive been street atnest Emily Mayfield ive been street atnest ter Emily Mayfield ive been street atnest ter a Emily Mayfield ive been street almost for a long Emily Mayfield ive been street almost for a long time and tberes almost for a long time and tberes a almost for a long time and theres a lot almost for a long time and theres a lot of almost for a long time and theres a lot of people will be dying theres a lot of people will be tytng en theres a lot of people will be tytng en tbe theres a lot of people will be dying on the streets. Can you etease dying on the streets. Can you please explain dying on the streets. Can you please explain what everybodys tetng please explain what everybodys tetng abeat please explain what everybodys tetng abeat tt please explain what everybodys doing about it . Please explain what everybodys doing about it . Lattice doing about it . Well, the question there of homelessness and of people dying on the streets, look, there are more and more people, im afraid, being made homeless. The higher rents become, the fewer rental houses are the market. Houses there are on the market. And frankly, the lack of social housing is a massive problem. And im not going to take a cheap shot at this. But you know, we are actually housing a huge number of people who are coming into this country illegally. And maybe we should illegally. And maybe we should think about our own poor just a little bit more. Ive got time little bit more. Ive got time for one more question from ben. For one more question from ben. Hi nigel. Im ben. Ijust wanted to hi nigel. Im ben. Ijust wanted te asb hi nigel. Im ben. Ijust wanted te asb abeat hi nigel. Im ben. Ijust wanted to ask about what hi nigel. Im ben. Ijust wanted to ask about what your b gill im ben. Ijust wanted to ask about what your opinion is to ask about what your opinion ts en to ask about what your opinion ts en btaas to ask about what your opinion is on klaus schwab, the great beset is on klaus schwab, the great beset ant is on klaus schwab, the great reset and the is on klaus schwab, the great reset and the World Economic tetan reset and the World Economic teran reaby reset and the World Economic forum really not reset and the World Economic forum really not really heard nacb forum really not really heard nacb abeat forum really not really heard much about it forum really not really heard much about it on forum really not really heard much about it on gb news. Lattice much about it on gb news. Well, the much about it on gb news. Well, tbe bett much about it on gb news. Well, the World Economic much about it on gb news. Well, the World Economic forum , look, the World Economic forum, look, of course, the World Economic forum exists just as bilderberg groups and other things existed before. And yes, they do aggressive pursue a globalist agenda. And of course theyre right behind brussels and the European Union. They seem to care very little for the liberty of the individual. Theyre right behind the who. Pandemic treaty. And yeah, frank , i think treaty. And yeah, frank, i think they are, as the americans would say, bad dudes. But we have some good eggs at gb news is one of them, of course. Is jacob rees mogg. And i wonder , jacob, rees mogg. And i wonder, jacob, what have you got coming up for us today . Hey, were going to start us today . Hey, were going to start attb us today . Hey, were going to start with the us today . Hey, were going to start with the prime 3 hey, were going to start with the Prime Ministers vtstt start with the Prime Ministers vtstt te start with the Prime Ministers vtstt te tbe start with the Prime Ministers visit to the us start with the Prime Ministers visit to the us to start with the Prime Ministers visit to the us to see the tresttent visit to the us to see the President Biden, who doesnt nacb ant President Biden, who doesnt. Much and whether President Biden, who doesnt much and whether he much like the uk and whether he veattnt much like the uk and whether he veattnt be much like the uk and whether he wouldnt be better much like the uk and whether he wouldnt be better off staying at bene wouldnt be better off staying at home, dealing wouldnt be better off staying at home, dealing with lots of tbe at home, dealing with lots of tbetbat at home, dealing with lots ofi the thatcountry the problems that the country races the problems that the country taces at the problems that the country taces at tbe the problems that the country faces at the moment. And pm eetes faces at the moment. And pm sometimes find faces at the moment. And pm sometimes find the world stage is sometimes find the world stage ts great sometimes find the world stage ts great tan sometimes find the world stage is great fun when sometimes find the world stage is great fun when the opinion bebs is great fun when the opinion bebs ae is great fun when the opinion polls are difficult at home and tben polls are difficult at home and tbencatcb polls are difficult at home and tbencatcb ab polls are difficult at home and then catch up with the then well catch up with the babe then well catch up with the babeant then well catch up with the dukeandbeen duke of sussex and whats been going duke of sussex and whats been going extraordinary going on in that extraordinary earty going on in that extraordinary earty trtat. Going on in that extraordinary early trial. Fascinating information early trial. Fascinating information thats coming out of it. Information thats coming out of t. Beab. Information thats coming out of t. Beab. T information thats coming out of it. Yeah. I mean, information thats coming out of it. Yeah. I mean, he information thats coming out of it. Yeah. tirbtllyr information thats coming out of it. Yeah. tirbtllyr it. Yeah. I mean, he really you know, its interesting , isnt know, its interesting, isnt it . This sort of concept, my truth , its all about how he truth, its all about how he feels and hes got every right to be aggrieved. I mean, his mother died when he was 12. An awful circumstance , his. But it awful circumstance, his. But it almost feels me, jacob, were almost feels to me, jacob, were moving a world where how moving into a world where how you feel seems to matter more than objective facts. And that cant be than objective facts. And that cant be ttgbt than objective facts. And that cant be right. And than objective facts. And that cant be right. And it are . , and that cant be right. And it mustnt abset cant be right. And it mustnt abset tbe cant be right. And it mustnt upset the constitution. I think the upset the constitution. I think tbe bey upset the constitution. I think tbe bey tbtng upset the constitution. I think the key thing is upset the constitution. I think the key thing is we defend treeten the key thing is we defend treeten et the key thing is we defend freedom of the the key thing is we defend freedom of the press. And this caselab freedom of the press. And this caseall about freedom of the press. And this case all about limiting, case is all about limiting, tetbertng case is all about limiting, tethering the case is all about limiting, tethering the press, making it more subservient to the rich and taneas more subservient to the rich and taneas ant more subservient to the rich and famous. And thats more subservient to the rich and famous. And thats very bad constitutional famous. And thats very bad constitutional territory. 415 . Constitutional territory. Yeah, i constitutional territory. Yeah, t mean. Constitutional territory. Yeah, t bts constitutional territory. Yeah, i mean, its interesting. Tom bower earlier on was saying effectively he thought prince harry was doing the bidding of hugh grant and that group that want you know, weve had leveson, but they wanted even more controls. Jacob is going to be you in just a moment. Be with you in just a moment. Now, tomorrow im going to be with you from the you may think this is very appropriate from the brewing capital of the country. Im going to be in burton on trent tomorrow evening doing a farage at large. I might just get a chance to visit a brewery before we go on air. And im hoping that the Weather Forecast is going to say itll be a nice day. Good evening. Bev be a nice day. Good evening. Bev beatn be a nice day. Good evening. Alex deakin here ttti; tirbt good evening. Alex deakin here with your tatest alex deakin here with your latest weather alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the bet latest weather update from the bet etttce latest weather update from the met office for latest weather update from the met office for gb latest weather update from the met office for gb news. Changes are met office for gb news. Changes en tbe met office for gb news. Changes en tbebat met office for gb news. Changes are on the but tomorrow is are on the way, but tomorrow is going are on the way, but tomorrow is getng te are on the way, but tomorrow is getng te be are on the way, but tomorrow is getng te be neve are on the way, but tomorrow is going to be more of the same. It starts going to be more of the same. It starts a going to be more of the same. It starts a bbt going to be more of the same. It starts a bit dull going to be more of the same. It starts a bit dull and eventually it starts a bit dull and eventually tt tarns starts a bit dull and eventually tt tarns sanny starts a bit dull and eventually it turns sunny for starts a bit dull and eventually it turns sunny for most with the ste it turns sunny for most with the ste stte it turns sunny for most with the eastern side again it turns sunny for most with the eastern side again likely to beep eastern side again likely to keep a eastern side again likely to keep a tet eastern side again likely to keep a bet et eastern side again likely to keep a lot of cloud down to the seatbvest. Keep a lot of cloud down to the southwest. Low keep a lot of cloud down to the southwest. Low pressure is brevtng southwest. Low pressure is brewing that southwest. Low pressure is brewing that will create a bit of brewing that will create a bit et a brewing that will create a bit et a cbange brewing that will create a bit of a change in brewing that will create a bit of a change in the outlook, but fort of a change in the outlook, but tea as of a change in the outlook, but tea as t of a change in the outlook, but tea as t say, of a change in the outlook, but for, as i say, tonight and tomorrow, its for, as i say, tonight and tomorrow, its more the same. Tomorrow, its more of the same. So tomorrow, its more of the same. Secteat tomorrow, its more of the same. Socloud thats tomorrow, its more of the same. So cloud thats been so the cloud thats been lurking in so the cloud thats been lurking tntast so the cloud thats been lurking tntast tntt so the cloud thats been lurking in just drift back in the east just drift back tartber in the east just drift back further inland in the east just drift back further inland as we go through the further inland as we go through tbese further inland as we go through tbese a further inland as we go through tbese a tne further inland as we go through theso a fine , further inland as we go through the so a fine , warm the night. So a fine, warm eventng the night. So a fine, warm eventng ter the night. So a fine, warm evening for many, but the cloudy and evening for many, but the cloudy ant ceeetr evening for many, but the cloudy and cooler conditions in the east and cooler conditions in the east sbeat and cooler conditions in the east spread back to most areas tbreagb east spread back to most areas tbreagb tbe east spread back to most areas through the night. Temperatures betttng through the night. Temperatures betttnglat through the night. Temperatures betttnglat 8 through the night. Temperatures holdingat 8 to through the night. Temperatures holding. At 8 to 10 through the night. Temperatures holding at 8 to 10 celsius, a holding up at 8 to 10 celsius, a bit holding up at 8 to 10 celsius, a btt warmer holding up at 8 to 10 celsius, a bit warmer than holding up at 8 to 10 celsius, a bit warmer than that in the seatb vest bit warmer than that in the south west where its going to get garte south west where its going to get gatte vtnty south west where its going to get quite windy, actually. A btastery get quite windy, actually. A blustery night get quite windy, actually. A blustery night across the far seatb vest blustery night across the far South West England and parts south west of england and parts of south west of england and parts etceast south west of england and parts ofcoastiwales. Of the south coast of wales. As web. Of the south coast of wales. As weblab of the south coast of wales. As well. Will. Windy of the south coast of wales. As well. Will windy too, well. It will be windy too, bere well. It will be windy too, here,thursday. Well. It will be windy too, here,thursday. Most, here, during thursday. For most, its here, during thursday. For most, tts a here, during thursday. For most, tts a grey here, during thursday. For most, tts a grey start here, during thursday. For most, its a grey start tomorrow, but tbe its a grey start tomorrow, but tbe cteat its a grey start tomorrow, but the cloudbreak its a grey start tomorrow, but the cloud break up in the cloud should break up in nest the cloud should break up in mostlocations most locally locations from ntt nerntng most locally locations from mid morning onwards. Again, parts mid morning onwards. Again, barts et mid morning onwards. Again, barts et tbe mid morning onwards. Again, parts of the east mid morning onwards. Again, parts of the east coast looking tabby parts of the east coast looking tatrty gab, parts of the east coast looking fairly glum, much parts of the east coast looking fairly glum, much of northern scettant fairly glum, much of northern scettant as fairly glum, much of northern scotland as well. Fairly glum, much of northern scotland as well. But perhaps a tay scotland as well. But perhaps a sunnier day across scotland as well. But perhaps a sunnier day across parts of east angba sunnier day across parts of east bngba, maybe sunnier day across parts of east bngba, maybe a sunnier day across parts of east anglia, maybe a touch warmer, attbeagb be although there will still be tbat although there will still be tbat cett although there will still be that cold coming in from that cold wind coming in from the that cold wind coming in from tbe nertb that cold wind coming in from the north highest the north sea. Highest temperatures the north sea. Highest. Temperatures the temperatures down to the seatb vest temperatures down to the south west could get up to 25 tegrees south west could get up to 25 degreesthursday south west could get up to 25 degrees thursday afternoon. Degrees come thursday afternoon. But degrees come thursday afternoon. Bat tevn degrees come thursday afternoon. Bat tevn te degrees come thursday afternoon. But down to the degrees come thursday afternoon. But down to the south west as web but down to the south west as vett as but down to the south west as vett as tbe but down to the south west as well as the winds but down to the south west as well as the winds picking up the cteat well as the winds picking up the cloud increasing. Well as the winds picking up the cloud increasing. And look at tbts cloud increasing. And look at tbts. |bavent cloud increasing. And look at this. Havent much of this. I havent seen much of tbts this. I havent seen much of this recently. This. I havent seen much of this recently. Rain in the form of this recently. Rain in the form et sbees this recently. Rain in the form of showers, which this recently. Rain in the form of showers, which are more ttbety of showers, which are more ttbety tartng of showers, which are more likely during friday in the south west. Likely during friday in the south west. Hit and miss not everyvbere south west. Hit and miss not everywhere seeing them, but tbere everywhere seeing them, but tbere vbt everywhere seeing them, but there will be everywhere seeing them, but there will be some around etsevbere there will be some around elsewhere on there will be some around elsewhere on friday. Its a stnbar elsewhere on friday. Its a similarstarts elsewhere on friday. Its a similarstarts a elsewhere on friday. Its a. Similarstarts a. Drab similar story starts a bit drab tast similar story starts a bit drab tast ceast similar story starts a bit drab east coast stays similar story starts a bit drab east coast stays cool and quite marty east coast stays cool and quite narby. East coast stays cool and quite narby , bat east coast stays cool and quite natty , bat ter east coast stays cool and quite murky , but for many it will be murky, but for many it will be anetber murky, but for many it will be another sunny murky, but for many it will be another sunny day on friday. And agatn another sunny day on friday. And agatn. Another sunny day on friday. And agatn , best another sunny day on friday. And again , west will another sunny day on friday. And again , west will be best for again, west will be best for tbese again, west will be best for those temperatures getting into the those temperatures getting into tbe ntt those temperatures getting into tbe ntt zes those temperatures getting into the mid 20s. But. Those temperatures getting into the mid 20s. But the the low, maybe mid 20s. But the bantttty the low, maybe mid 20s. But the bantttty vbt the low, maybe mid 20s. But the humidity willto the low, maybe mid 20s. But the humidity will to rise in humidity will start to rise in tbe humidity will start to rise in the south west humidity will start to rise in the south west with the threat of the south west with the threat etsbevers the south west with the threat of showers coming along of those showers coming along ant of those showers coming along and increasing of those showers coming along and increasing risk of seeing tbese and increasing risk of seeing tbesesbeat and increasing risk of seeing those spread northwards those showers spread northwards tartng those showers spread northwards tartng tbe those showers spread northwards during the weekend, going during the weekend, its going to during the weekend, its going tebtt during the weekend, its going tobit hotter. During the weekend, its going to bit hotter. Humidity to turn a bit hotter. Humidity vbt to turn a bit hotter. Humidity vttt ase to turn a bit hotter. Humidity vttt an to turn a bit hotter. Humidity will rise. An increasing chance of will rise. An increasing chance et see will rise. An increasing chance of some showers will rise. An increasing chance of some showers and thunderstorms as. Good a good evening. With gb news good good evening. With gb news and good good evening. With gb news ant ea good good evening. With gb news ant tee good good evening. With gb news ant teb stery good good evening. With gb news and our top story all a good evening. With gb news and our top story all day today, the and our top story all day today, tbe babe and our top story all day today, tbe babe et and our top story all day today, the duke of sussex and our top story all day today, the duke of sussex was at the btgb the duke of sussex was at the btgb ceart the duke of sussex was at the btgb ceart tn the duke of sussex was at the high court in london today for his high court in london today for bts secent high court in london today for his second day, high court in london today for his second day, giving evidence in his second day, giving evidence tn bts his second day, giving evidence tn bts brtvacy his second day, giving evidence in his privacy case his second day, giving evidence in his privacy case against the brrer in his privacy case against the btrrer greab in his privacy case against the btrrer greab et in his privacy case against the mirror group of newspapers. Trtnce mirror group of newspapers. Trtnce bary mirror group of newspapers. Prince harry stood in court and tett prince harry stood in court and tett tben prince harry stood in court and tett tben be prince harry stood in court and told them he believes journalists told them he believes journalists used unlawful tecbntgaes journalists used unlawful techniques to journalists used unlawful techniques to get stories about him techniques to get stories about btn, tnctattng techniques to get stories about him, including placing a tracbtng him, including placing a tracking device on the car of bts tracking device on the car of his ex girlfriend, chelsy davy. His ex girlfriend, chelsy davy. He his ex girlfriend, chelsy davy. Be abse his ex girlfriend, chelsy davy. He also claimed his ex girlfriend, chelsy davy. He also claimed they went to etree he also claimed they went to extreme lengths he also claimed they went to extreme lengths to cover up tbetr extreme lengths to cover up their alleged extreme lengths to cover up their alleged phone hacking. The babbsber their alleged phone hacking. The publisher denies their alleged phone hacking. The publisher denies any wrongdoing. The publisher denies any wrongdoing. Tbe case publisher denies any wrongdoing. The case continues publisher denies any wrongdoing. The case continues tomorrow vttbeat the case continues tomorrow without prince the case continues tomorrow without prince harry. In other tetay without prince harry. In other news today, the without prince harry. In other news today, the white house has tescrtbet news today, the white house has tescrtbet tbe news today, the white house has described the usas alliance vttb described the usas alliance vttb tbe described the usas alliance vttb tbe bb described the usas alliance with the uk as described the usas alliance with the uk as our closest relationship with the uk as our closest relationship. With the uk as our closest relationship. Ahead of rishi relationship. Ahead of rishi sanab relationship. Ahead of rishi sunak meeting relationship. Ahead of rishi sunak meeting with president btten sunak meeting with President Biden tomorrow. Sunak meeting with President Biden tomorrow. Earlier the evtne biden tomorrow. Earlier the Prime Minister biden tomorrow. Earlier the Prime Minister met with senators , tnctattng Prime Minister met with senators , including former Prime Minister met with senators , including former republican bresttenttat , including former republican president ial candidate mitt benney president ial candidate mitt benney. President ial candidate mitt romney. Rishi president ial candidate mitt romney. Rishi sunak also president ial candidate mitt romney. Rishi sunak also visited romney. Rishi sunak also visited the romney. Rishi sunak also visited tbe arttngten romney. Rishi sunak also visited the Arlington National cemetery in the Arlington National cemetery tn vtrgtnta the Arlington National cemetery tn vtrgtnta te the Arlington National cemetery in virginia to lay the Arlington National cemetery in virginia to lay a wreath at tbe in virginia to lay a wreath at tbe tenb in virginia to lay a wreath at tbe tenb et in virginia to lay a wreath at the tomb of the in virginia to lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and the tomb of the unknown soldier ant bett the tomb of the unknown soldier and held talks the tomb of the unknown soldier and held talks in the tomb of the unknown soldier and held talks in congress with bease and held talks in congress with House Speaker and held talks in congress with House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy tartng House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy tartng bts House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy during his meeting with joe btten during his meeting with joe biden. Rishi during his meeting with joe biden. Rishi sunak is expected to biden. Rishi sunak is expected te ttscass biden. Rishi sunak is expected to discuss support for ukraine, the to discuss support for ukraine, tbe grevtng to discuss support for ukraine, the growing threat from china, cbnate the growing threat from china, Climate Change the growing threat from china, Climate Change and the regatatten Climate Change and the regulation of Climate Change and the regulation of ai. The president regulation of al. The president of regulation of al. The president et bbratne regulation of al. The president of ukraine says regulation of al. The president of ukraine says its impossible to of ukraine says its impossible te tett of ukraine says its impossible te tett bev of ukraine says its impossible to tell how many of ukraine says its impossible to tell how many people may die arter to tell how many people may die atter tbe to tell how many people may die after the destruction of the babbevba after the destruction of the kakhovka dam after the destruction of the kakhovka dam in southern bbratne kakhovka dam in southern ukraine. But kakhovka dam in southern ukraine. But Vladimir Zelenskyy is ukraine. But Vladimir Zelenskyy ts crtttctstng ukraine. But Vladimir Zelenskyy is criticising International Aid agenctes is criticising International Aid agenctes ter is criticising International Aid agenctes ter a
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