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Were killed. Still at large in connection with that murder is a possible female act comp police. Joining us for the very latest is greg whos been reporting for us all day and night. Reporter the city is breathing a sigh of relief both of these terrible hostage standoffs were resolved but at a price. 25 miles outside of here, the two mange suspects in the Charlie Hebdo shootout on monday, which left 12 people dead, they held one hostage but the police moved in and there was a shootout and they died. They said they wanted to go down as martyrs and they achieved that goal. On the eastern side, the kosher supermarket who took people hostage, he took we thought initially six, but there was a whole lot more, so when the police stormed in there, there was a death toll, four hostages were killed four hostages were injured and, yes, the hostage taker was killed as well. This finally, kimberly as police look hard on the interrelationships between these individuals, they were both on the radar of the police they both had a record, convictions sentencing charges relating to terrorism, both part of a network of jihadyis who went to iraq and to syria for fighting. The question is how did this all happen . Why did it come to this . Thats a question that the french authorities are now asking very seriously, how was there so much a loss of life. Can you take us a bit further through the man hunt that continues at this hour, through certain areas of paris theyre getting intelligence in as to where whereabouts . Reporter exactly, theyre looking for the girlfriend or wife of the suspect who took the hostages at the supermarket. No trace of her at this moment. Its believed she played a role in the killing yesterday of a policewoman officer, there are reports that there was eat gunman involved in that situation, we dont have confirmations of that. Larger concern is the other people that they have been connected with, the individuals were converted shall we say to the cause in jail, they have connections with others here they have connections with organizations, tonight al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, the american cleric they are claiming responsibility isis is trying to get involved in this too, and the associations there outside of france and here in france are numerous. This is another thing, the authorities will be taking a closer look at. This as we stand next to a glittering eiffel tower, but a glittering eiffel tower, which is being guarded right now by french soldiers and we have been watching them march back and forth behind our position in the last several hours. Back to you. Still so much going on and greg you have a question . So the hostage taker terrorist, he was on the loose for about 24 hours, do we have any idea about where he was . And also i assume he was able to be out there because he might have had help . Exactly theres got to be a support network for all of these people. It seems like the two brothers the ones responsible for the newspaper shootout, they were pretty much on their own, they hijacked, they had one car waiting, they hijacked another car, they hijacked a third car, they were going through the forest, being chased by police and these guys were counting on themselves and counting on their own instincts instincts by the way, honed in places like yemen where the older one trained with the forces of acap there, on the other side the gunman who shot and killed the French Police officer, he had actually a conviction on his record from four years ago, trying to break free in a prison, a convicted terrorist there. So he had experience as well too, and has got to believe, as you elewd to contacts as well. Theres been got 1,000 jihad dids who have been fought in iraq as well. Those are the active part pangts and the 18yearold who was the get away driver for the two who were killed at that newspaper office. Its something that france is looking at very hard and a lot of questions are being asked, greg. They knew that these people left france and went to get trained, which means they knew their passports, they brought their pass ports to the airport, they got to an area where they were trained by militants. They said they had them on their radar, if they had them on their radar, how in the world could they have pulled Something Like this off . The. Reporter thats a good question. I think the United States could be seen as more aggressive on that score the younger suspect was in jail for about three years, but from 2005 to 2008, after that, its pretty much free, were trying to be a model worker in some of the menial jobs here in paris, while he schemed on the other side. The older brother spent about two years from our understanding, from 2011 to 2013 and came back pretty fresh from that. They fell through the cracks they fellthrough the cracks of france, and france noted for its aggressiveness against terrorism is a lil red in the face right now. The two, the brothers were holed up in the printing factory simultaneously if the kosher market, the couple took hostages, asking them for the safe passage of the two holed inin the factory can you tell us what people believe the link is, other than the obvious, they may have both had ties to terrorists in the yemen peninsula. Did they know each other . Reporter yeah, they knew each other and they had contact by traces of dna with the two brothers and the individual that was at the supermarket in the same flat. So theres a lot of evidence of connections, they were charged in similar crimes what is being dissected right now as we speak and i just heard another take on that is communications today there were between these two situations, it is believed possibly there was texting maybe even calling and even triggering. One thing thats been put out now is that this all ended is because both of the gunman groups decided to move first and take the police a bit by surprise, so there was coordination on the terrorist side, there was coordination on the police side as well. The police could not let the situation to the outside of paris go down and let the situation in paris continue for fear that all of the hostages would have been killed. Dana . Greg, i wonder since youre there in paris, if you can tell us about the mood there are there additional warnings for the citizens . Are they scared or defiant . Unified . I was wondering if you could give us a taste of that. Its a combination of things, dana, i have lived in paris for several years and they can be quite reserved they do not show their emotions too much, but i have been speaking with parisian parisians for two days and they have been shocked, they were emotional, they were eyeing frankly in all my years here i have never seen such an outpouring of emotion from them. Theyre a pretty steely group too, they dont show their nerves but they have to have shown it today, when their city basically showed that it was under siege like al qaeda was attacking one of the major metropolises of the world. And visually, as we stand here there are uniform eded military soldiers marching back and forth with guns, we had a scare a couple of hours ago, the area that faces the eiffel tower, bbc and sky television, two notable media organizations said there was a gunman on the last there, and we were tracking that down, thavrngs thanks to the world of twitter, things can be blown out of proportion more than they should be. The city of paris continues to be under siege as a man hunt is under way at this hour. We have this man hunt going on. What we know is these individuals were on a french watch list, and in fact on a nofly list for the United States. They were aware that these individuals perhaps radicalized, perhaps made trips to the arabian peninsula, and they were able to pull off what looks like a well known operation working in concert even today. And this woman that was working at the terrorists at the kosh kosher market there was pictures of her using a cross bow in a burqa. And shes probably very very dangerous as well. But the question is is that it, though . Are we going to wake up tomorrow and see another one which is they may probably try and see if they can keep this thing going its a scary place right now in paris. And dana, theres some coming out esaying this is just the beginningalso videos and things that have come out and said specifically that those were going to be the precursors do the ongoing jihad against the uk against the u. S. , against those who have been cooperative and work in concert with the u. S. Led coalition. So a lot of attempts over the years, including one if you remember, in britain where you had several jihadists who wanted to try to bring down air liners and thankfully they were caught before hand there were several women who were willing to blow up their children in purr cute of this martyr. Com come that they seek. Its reported here that french authorities have a force of about 90,000 working on this, 90,000 people to try to finding four or more jihadists, i dont know how you deal with that in the long run, if there are 2 hung jihadists that have come back from iraq and syria back into france and it looks to be at least theyre somewhat coordinated and in communication, thats the key on the skbelintel, is the communication between all of them. Theyre able to talk and text, social media et cetera to be able to encourage them becoming more radicalized, like we see these individuals saying we want to and coordinated attacks. And they were looking today to try and finding his brothers. You have 1,000 foreign fighters, greg, that have gone over from france to the arraignabian peninsula to try and learn how to fight. The key phrase here is texting, we would like to say nsa, were sorry please come home this is the only way were going to be able to deal with this. These guys go over there and they train, they come back and they become needless in a haystack. Its interesting to me that everybody knew how bad these guys were, did nothing. I think a lot of this has to do with the political ramifications of it. And you dont want to look like youre raceistracist, or profiling. There are people that bring up this negotiation of internment camps, like you cant do this because its going to become this, we can actually do this we can deport and incarcerate monsters without making it steam like the japanese in world war ii. The last thing i thought was a really good point, to the ace of spades the bloggers what the killers of those magazine editors died in a printing plant. If nelson from the simpsons were around, he would go ha, ha. The thing that bothers me most about this is why did they allow these people back into the country . If these guys, they knew that they had jihadist pasts, they had these relationships they went to yemen to get trained, or at least one of them did. Why in the world is that not sufficient to hold somebody when they come back in. I dont understand its. I think somewhere along the line that French Security people lost track of these guys and thats a dangerous thing to do. Also, think about this, we had these guys on a nofly list if it were up to the aclu, we wouldnt. Because they believe that the nofly list is unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. And dont revoke anybodys passport even though they have been radicalized. Next, were going to go live to fox newss katrina richb harris with more details on the terrorists and their ties to the terrorist network. Stay tuned. Hello. Im an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. So my buddy here is going to help me find it. Here we go. Woo who, woah, woah, woah. 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The thing about these organizations is they do not take credit where credit is not due. In the past hour, the Counter Terrorism as well as a video tape they released called the blessed raid in paris, i viewed the videotape, its about four minutes in length in arabic. But theres more dots to keblg today. One of the brothers cherif couachi, that during the takedown in that industrial plant is that he had been recruit anwar he was the leeder of this digital jihad and he was in charge of being a talent spotter for operatives to carry out operations outside of the middle east, he was the one who tapped in 2009 umar farouk to take that bomb on that flight over to detroit on christmas day. We have that from the mouth of sharif couachi. Given your expertise in this area of terrorism. The tsarnaev brothers carried out the boston bombing, is there come connection between brothers working together in families. Have you come across that before. This is an excellent question. What i would argue in both circumstances, just based on the information thats available in to the open source press reporting is that the brothers felt isolated and alien natured and they were looking for a place to belong. What is emerging today based on our confirmed information is this idea that the couachi brothers who had former training from a formal it was kind of reupped if you will by travel to syria, thats not clear, but that seems to have been the case. One of the misconceptions about the boston bombers is they just made those bombs and all those explosives based off instructions on the skbrer net. Internet. And i have seen an intelligence assessment that which cleel states that the Pressure Cooker bomb in boston is similar to whats found in the online bomb making instructions, and this really speaks to the idea that he also had training overseas. Remember he traveled to dagastan in the years before the Boston Marathon bombing. What im concerned about at this hour is the fact that theres obviously a well financed and well run Terror Network thats operating within france that they were able to supply these individuals with a large number of ammunition, body armor, weapons that were used, the whole thing, there has to be some kind of concern right now in france that theres groups that are well supplied just like these brothers. Its a pipeline and what we sometimes forget and this time blor borrowing a phrase from the Homeland Security secretary, tom bridge theyre willing to wait years to launch these attacks and from our reporting at fox news is good we know that the older brother saeed kouachi went to yemen and trained alongside al qaeda three years ago. Thats a long time to wait to launch an operation. We first reported here at fox news, almost two days ago about a series of tweets that came out within an hour of the paris massacre and that was from a twitter account with known ties in yemen. Superimposed on top were the american cleric and that second american who was really the driving force ebehind the prop propaganda that was where they called for the assassination of the cartoonist as well as the editor of the magazine, so thats a lot of data pointing in one direction. You brought up inspire magazine. And as a former editor why cant they find out where inspire magazine is made . Is there an actual physical place . Well, inspire magazine is an online magazine a virtual magazine if you will. Its kind of a Martha Stewart living for jihadists, because its a lifestyle magazine, its very accessibles. The argument is whether theyre better to take it down. Or whether to leave it up as bait to see who looks and reads this. Okay. Catherine. This guy trained in yemen, he was supposed to be on their radar. How in the world could they organize what seems to be a fairly complex operation without the Police Intelligence in paris or france knowing about it . The simple answer is that when you have a small cell which is what this appears to be two to three maybe four individuals, very hard to infiltrate and given the number of foreign fighters that are in for instance, i mean its just a numbers game its impossible to provide that kind of surveillance on a 24hour basis. All right well leave itthere. Excellent reporting. Well go to the white house with reaction from president obama, well see if he conv see if he con zems the attacks by radical islam, thats next. So ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts . Thats right. Its just that im worried about you know hidden things. Ok, whys that . No hidden fees from the bank where no branches equals great rates. [container door opening] what makes it an suv is what you can get into it. [container door closing] what makes it an nx is what you can get out of it. Introducing the firstever lexus nx turbo and hybrid. 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I want the people of france to know that the United States stands with you today, stands with you tomorrow and the streets of paris, the world seeing once again, what terrorists ss stand for e they have nothing to offer but hate and suffering, and we stand for hope and the dignity of all human beings and thats what the city of paris rents to the world and that spirit will endure forever, long after the scourge of terrorism is banned from this world. Is there anything else going on behind the scenes that you can tell us . Theres a lot going on behind the scenes in terms of the president being briefed on the threat matrix right now for the United States. What i found fascinating is that were not hearing a lot of that in public you have been here before and you understand that theres a certain amount of the threat stream thats being passed around the intelligence community, in terms of whether this was just a start of a wave of attacks across western europe potentially making its way to the u. S. In the future as well. Is president has been very forceful in seeing that were going to stand what specific steps hes going to protect it, dana. What hes waiting for in dallas, not new york or paris. He has not directly connected to islamic terror. What i specifically said was that i think hes been forceful in saying were standing with france, and then i said that hes been much more tentative in terms of explaining what hes doing to protect the homeland. In terms of islamic terror he hasnt directly tied it to that. This is not happening in a vacuum, this is after the attacks in canada, australia and that coffee shop. I mean our allies are being hit, thankfully, we have not been recently obviously the Boston Marathon bombing, ft. Hood, theres been terror attacks in recent years, the fact of the matter is that the president has not tied it directly to islamic terror, and again, not just with france, but this whole string of events, its falling out before our eyes. I remind you and mr. Bolling that either the head of they said this is directly a terrorist attack. I think you can defeat an enemy by calling them the enemy. Do we think theres a possibility that the heads of state here are taking into account that they do have islamic communities, theyre worried about it. Look, i think this president has been very clear as president bush was as president obama was, when people are use its got to be called out. To your point bob, im certainly not suggesting this president could not have prevented what happened in paris, i these what is a bigger question but it is a start as you heard from British Intelligence officials, but on the record, suggesting this is just the start. This is the main concern are we going to learn from this . Are we going to strategize about this . Do we know that individuals have had contacts or affiliations with those who have been radicalized or attended. Mosques that have been known to have radicalized speech. All the intel and the chatter that you u see is that the u. S. And the uk are next. Right. And i think whats also significant is the nafgs is the intelligence suggesting that at least some of these terrorists were on u. S. No fly lists, they were on the radar, but nonetheless, they still got through the cracks some of that may be owing in fairness not just the u. S. Officials, but to the french officials there on the ground. You cant stop everything, they are doing their best, here, france britain, all around the world. But in australia, they couldnt stop the coffee shop attack. In canada horrific attacks there just a couple of months ago. And so youre right kimberly, you try to go through it the you can, but nobodys perfect. But the problem in france is there are certain communities that are no go, that police wont go in there, but you have we want to handle our own situation, so how are you going to get active intelligence intelligence no doubt and im not denieding, theyre going to have to infiltrate those communities but thats obviously something the french government is going to point out. And thats something i suspect president obama will stay out of, but certainly youre also right, but theres a fear if you dont stop it there, its going to be spreading very soon. Greg this is he doesnt expand on their back grounds and what theyre going to do next, he just simply exterminates them. I want to ask you about how the media transforms this into a spectacle, how we cover these acts of terror, by looking at beliefs, by looking at intent. I think the rise in terror actually parallels the rise of the media and the media helps expand their media across all places, we were actually talking more about them, we were paralyzed by their fear. And were playing into their ma match nations. Bottom line is i think that yes, the media always struggles with this to kind of bury our heads in the stand, youre not but theres a fine line there, we shouldnt panic people, we shouldnt carescare them with the addition of social media, its going all around the world very quickly in getting that information out. Yes, it can be used business the terrorists, but on the other hand, its free flow of information. This is no different from a spree killer who goes into a school. 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The world is filled with air and anoro is helping people with copd breath air better. Get your first prescription free at anoro. Com. Continuing cover rajs of the terror in paris, its good to see all these vocal free speech reporters, i suppose you only express solidarity when its cool and theres a neat hash tag, but one aides terror by blocking speech through the fabrication of offense. We must fight evil but what happens if the fight is bigoted by the media, the campus or the leaders . Then terror wins. Christian ammanpour calls terrorists activists. These activists found their targets and their targets were the media whose and editors worry more about right wing reaction to terror than terror itself. I think that they should have been more offensive. We have to be really, r respond to the intolerance of these jihadis with their own intolerance. We have to be aware of the nationalists, from right wingers, who have sought to deprive this wedge as we saw earlier to drive this wedge between the Islamic Community and the main stream count communities. Howard dean was right, this is a cult, a cult of apologists. This is right when he said, this is not a religious issue, which means if i dont see islam when i fight terror, then you cannot see islamo phobia when i fight it. One doesnt need understanding, just eradication. It would be nice for radical muslims to help. Just step aside, finally where and our modern cult of hate speech activists who see lang as vishlgsolence, creating speech codes seeing activists silence. All right, k. G. , is it time to retire the phrase islamophobia . Its inp herntly meaningless. Is there a fear of religious belief . Its a nonstarter, its not helping forward the intelligence were gathering its not helping the understanding of what terror really is the problem is we are the biggest enemy, the liberal apologists the people that are more concerned about offending terrorists than they are in eradicating them that makes us weak and therefore makes them strong. That is a big problem that has to be addressed. Those are all clips that were being played across the country today. Afraid to call them terrorists, call them activists. They were all clips that we picked on this show. Theres not been a conservative member in europe who has raised their voice against this, the conservatives have been mute on this. Show me what Mitch Mcconnell has said on this. You did read that flasy letter you sent. Yes, i can go on forever. Do you mean Mitch Mcconnells floor speech from the senate floor yesterday . Yes, i did. I didnt hear the word islamic terrorists. Bob, right now the left is leading the charge against free speech on campuses, through speech codes and hate speempx its not republicans, and you have liberal comedians, are all talking about this, right wingers are not coming up with the hate speech. Eric, it seems like only theres a backlash is when the tolerance freaks go after the victims of attacks, its like theyre worried about the attackers. And you hit on it david brooks hit on it earlier today. The people who at brandice university. The people who have killed people who have been disinvited to speeches they were going to have on their campuses. Aline more with the hold on, hold on, bob, im not talking about you. Im talking about the left. Go ahead, and then these same people want to go ahead and wear these pins and tweets tweets, i am charlie, youre not, youre more al qaeda than you are charlie. Bob, you take on muslims, but where are the people in charge. You didnt really mean that. Im talking about the people who kill free speech. To have them thrown off campus rather than hearing the First Amendment free speech that they have to deliver. Okay. I was just trying to prevent backlash. Backlash . Yes. Let me get dana in here, a, christian ammanpour referred to terrorists as activists. Which i cant believe but cnn reporter chris cuomo referred to the black french terrorists as africanamerican. Is this what happens when Political Correctness is so ingrained in your head that you make idiotic remember they have a Huge International audience. I cant hear a darn thing. I have tgif as my last word. Next one very powerful voice in the heart of the muslim world is actually doing something positive to help stop the violence. Introducing the new Philips Norelco shaver series 9000 with Contour Detect Technology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. Go to philips. Com new to save up to 40. Innovation and you. Philips norelco. The 12 People Killed in paris at the hands of extremist muslims. While those attacks may be rare, confirm mags is rare. All right, in my view this may be the most important speech and its equivalent will be Martin Luther kings i have a dream speech. They called them out for having their religion hijacked by a bunch of right wing islamic terrorists. Yeah im assuming he has more body guards than the body hair at this point. He has whoa, whoa, why where you calling them right wing islamic terrorists . Because i want to. Where is your basis for fact to say that . Right wing islamic terrorists . Did you just make that up . Can we just focus on what this brave man said . So, bob, do you think thats fantastic, thats gutsy and a hero but god for fidbid i say the president should be the same. I think every other leader would be the same. In Eastern Europe in western europe, anybody say anything . Yeah yeah,. Why does somebody that kind of speech calling on the Muslim Community to stand up. 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As the hour approaches midnight in paris, a city under siege where a man hunt continues to be under way to find those responsible for the horrible terror acts that were committed. As we are now trying to learn from this, to see what we can do in the United States. Stay tuned approximate for continuing coverage of todays breaking news in paris on special report thats next. This is a fox news alert. The hunt is on right now in france for a woman believed to be an accomplice of the terror attack in paris. It comes at the end of a dramatic day that saw three terrorists and four more innocent civilians killed. Ed henry is at the white house. Catherine herridge, with a chilling warn from a british spy master that more attacks are coming. We begin live in paris tonight, hello, greg. Hey bret. Frances Worst Nightmare came