Wearing a beard today [laughter] chris wilson is here and he is outnumbered agreed to see you chris i said it would look really bad if i tried to grow i it. Lisa for the record, we endorse senator ted cruzs beard. We are probeard and a bipartisan endorsement, no less. [laughter] melissa thank goodness they come together its perfect. Lisa for the sake of the nation, we did. Harris if senator cruz is anywhere near a tv, hes wondering what the heck [laughter] chris he will hear about this later. At a Christmas Party the other night, it didnt go well. Harris interesting details during this hour. Keep watching. The president and Michael Cohen trading accusations over hush money payments made to two women during the campaign that alleged affairs with the president over a decade ago. This, amid reports of the president was the third person in the room in 2015 during talks between cohen and National Enquirer publisher, david packer, about a plan to purchase the story and avoid publication. The president avoided any wrongdoing during my interview with him yesterday. Come on, during an interview with George Stephanopoulos, pointed the finger back at the president. Watch it. I never directed him to do anything wrong. Whatever he did, he did on his own. He directed me to make the payments. He directed me to become involved in these matters, including the one with mcdougall, which is really between him and david packer. I give loyalty to somebody who truthfully does not deserve loyalty. Harris President Trump also told me yesterday that he be don mike believes cohen pleaded guilty to Campaign Finance violations to embarrass him. Cohen disputes that. Watch. I wasnt his only client, he had other clients. He did some bad things. He made a deal to embarrass me. I didnt do it to embarrass the president. He knows the truth. I know the truth. Many people know the truth. Under no circumstances do i want to embarrass the president of the United States of america. Harris meanwhile, some lawmakers on capitol hill want to get cohen die before their committees as he pleaded guilty to lying to congress. They will have some time to do that. Between now and the beginning of march the sixth, he can sit out. I think he wears a nickel bracelet but i will have to factcheck that. Michael cohen says he knows the truth. I dont think thats a question. I think the question is, does he tell the truth . Chris it is. Doesnt matter, at this point . He has zero credibility. The fact is, you cant plead guilty to long before congress and expect the American Public to believe you. It certainly appears at the president is not concerned about this. Hes the one person who also does know the truth, and if hes not concerned, i think its probably they can make all the charges they want, but who will take them seriously . Melissa the truth about what . He says the president directed them to do it. If thats true, that basically clears the president because he used his own money in order to do this. You are allowed to spend as much money on your campaign as you want. A second point i cant believe that George Stephanopoulos did not ask cohen if he has done this before. I would but the president has paid off other women. In which case, its not necessarily about the campaign. Its sort of a normal course of business. Yes, its horrible and distasteful, but is not illegal by any jessica, i want to bring in one word. Its receipts. Its kind of a colloquial thing right now, if somebody does something, get on your phone, get a receipt. If the federal investigators are looking at this properly, they would be corroborating. They wouldnt need much for Michael Cohen. We need to find out what else. Again, that goes back to mueller. We dont know all that he has. Jessica but the fdny filings and the mueller memo were quite clear about this. Judge napolitano has been on our network talking about this extensively, that they wouldnt have move toward if they didnt have corroborating evidence and didnt actually need Michael Cohen for this. We have a third person in the room, david packer, who offered so cooperation with the mueller probe. As to where the money came from for the payoffs, we knew it would be a Campaign Finance violation. Harris to that point let me a cut in really quickly pray this is coming into fox news through john roberts. The president s attorney, rudy giuliani, said he never says a Campaign Finance issue is not a big crime. He is following back, i guess come on dershowitz and others saying that giuliani described the Campaign Finance violation as not a big crime. If it turns out thats a problem, it would be a big deal. Even giuliani he says that. Lisa he didnt kill anyone. I think everyone in the country can agree that Michael Cohen is a terrible attorney. Clearly, hes the one who if hes breaking the law or not, thats the point of having an attorney. And why President Trump was relying on him to follow the law. In regard to the legal aspect of this, its up for disputes if President Trump broke the law or not. You also have people like former fec commissioner bradley smith, who says he doesnt think there is anything criminal here in what President Trump did. I think that is up for dispute. The bigger issue for President Trump is a political one. Even on that, he has a safeguard in the senate with the 53 republican majority. Even if the house brings impeachment proceedings, the senate is not going to convict him. They would need twothirds, 60 votes, a super majority. With the 53 republican advantage in the senate, thats not going to happen. The way i look at this if you step back from a 30,000foot level he doesnt look that bad off here, to be honest. Harris i want to go back to what melissa said. What you were talking about is the actual paying. Michael cohen says he would have paid on his own. Thats not the case with ami, who just cut this immunity deal. Melissa that in and of itself was the Campaign Finance violation. Well, im talking about with relation to Michael Cohen. And another question that George Stephanopoulos missed, which i dont know, maybe have these questions were on the edit room floor. He missed some of the biggest, most obvious ones. Did you tell the president it was a legal . Nobodys asking that question. He said he told him it was wrong. But did you tell him it was a legal . He says he knew it was. Did you tell the president . Argue where his legal counsel. Harris the president said he trusted him to do his job. Melissa he never said he told the president it was illegal. I was the president supposed to know . Harris the president told me yesterday, everything we said was on tape. We can roll it if we want to. He said he trusted, he paid, he pays for services and he trusted that he was getting them. But you ask a very important question when your Attorney Says something is wrong, are we supposed to assume, then, that it is illegal or he wouldnt advise you to do it . Chris he does it for you. Melissa if you ask is that legal . Thats what you have a lawyer for. Is it legal or is that not . 36 he filed his tax returns regardless of that. Harris it comes into import, here. Who directed home . Chris its just if cohen said this is wrong, yet he did it anyway, does that then absolve . And the president would say if its wrong, why did you go do it . You are supposed to give me legal advice, but you do it anyway. Lisa a lot of people out there are saying different things. I think the conversation we are having on the couch proves its ambiguous and how much legal trouble President Trump is in right now. Also, Campaign Finance violations are also typically met with fines, not any sort of criminal action. Campaign finance violations for the prosecutor, there is a very high level of burden of proof for intent. Right now it seems like that is very ambiguous for the president. There seems to be a lot of gray area here, yet democrats are trying to act like its some sort of black and white situation. It certainly doesnt appear to be. Jessica it seems to be blackandwhite for fdny, and they know better than we do. There are many people who think what you think you, but judge napolitano is not on his own here. He made it very clear yesterday lisa i respect them, but theres a lot of different jessica he said, if you direct someone to commit a murder, you are charged equally for having directed that. If its a person who executed i. If he was the one making negotiations, and as harris pointed out, that one was from campaign funding. He did that himself. Then he certainly is in trouble. There is also more to it melissa thats Campaign Finance. Jessica but that is a crime, yes, usually it is fines, but it wasnt in the case it wasnt present obama saying do this thing so i can defraud the maker people so they dont know that i was doing these things. Harris he did not direct Michael Cohen. I want to give you the last word. Chris the bottom line is, Michael Cohen has no credibility. Very few people are going to take what he says and believe that this is something that even the president should be brought to a legal charge, impeached, anything like that. Michael cohen has just been convicted of lying. You have to consider the source. As i said with her interview yesterday, the president did not seem concerned about this issue. Speed went all right, we will move on. A deadline today for the special counsel. I made a bombshell claim for Michael Flynns cap that the fbi pressured him into not bringing a lawyer to the interview with agents. What we can expect. 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Melissa shutdown showdown President Trump keeping up the pressure on Top Democrats to back the 5 billion that he wants for his border wall, as a fiery rhetoric continues days after their tense encounter in the oval office. The president , in a video posted on twitter, calling Top Democrats like Chuck Schumer hypocrites on Border Security. Watch. Speak of the are absolute hypocrites. All along, they have been supporting walls and supporting fences and supporting all sorts of Border Security. Whatever it takes to get Border Security, i will do it. I pledged that a long time ago, and i will pledge it always. We have done a really fantastic job with what we have. We can do it almost perfectly if we have the wall. Melissa the video also includes old clips of schumer, hillary clinton, and former president obama talking up barriers and the need to curb illegal immigration. President trump saying they wont back a wall now because of me. And a schumer budging. I want to be Crystal Clear there will be no additional appropriations to pay for the border wall. Its done. The president repeatedly promised that mexico would pay for his unnecessary and ineffective border wall. In his words, 100 . Melissa meantime, politico reporting that he might back a bipartisan package to avoid a shutdown. The package funds Border Security but not the wall. Jessica, let me ask you from the democrats point of view just looking at the facts, moments cutie said 500 billion will build 200 miles of fence. That Senate Democrats voted for 700 miles. Many more than that 215 of double fence. They can get anything right now. In exchange for this money, for 215 miles of fence. Why not go to the president and say i want and then something outrageous . Jessica there is some digging around the world wall. That has become such a flash flash point. Harris so i dont we call it a fence . Jessica if he had begun that way, it would be more that way about beefing up Border Security. Nancy pelosi, in that meeting, said of course we are for Border Security. And it Chuck Schumer said i have offered you 1. 6 billion. There is a semantics issue here, but nancy pelosi has made it clear she doesnt want to be in the business of trading dreamers, for instance. Harris she is saying you have to come through me before you go to the senate. And the president is saying i dont need to do that, because ive got the votes. And they go around and around about that. Melissa thats what negotiating is. You have to give to get. Everybody who has studied negotiation or bought a house or a car knows, you give to get to. Thats a get it done. Let me ask you real quick what would you put out there as the offer . He wants to make a deal. He loves to make a deal. He would give democrats something. What is the deal that could get done . Chris its a good question. Theres a lot that can be done around Border Security, but i think hes having a hard time getting around or beyond the fact that under obama in 13, they voted to extend the border wall. Now that he is the president come he cant get it through. I dont know that you are going to get he is going to put a hard and fast line in the sand on building a wall. He has to to be able to run for reelection in 2020, because it was such a big platform for his original initial election. I think we are probably moving to a shutdown, here. The fact is, for the past shutdowns, we have democrat president s. They lost out. This is the first time the democrats are being overreached, and they will pay a price for i it. Lisa i say shut it down. It will likely be a partial government shutdown, also the 2020 election is so far away. Literally, a month from now people will forget. Shut it down, who cares . I think the wall is a noble cause. To jessicas point i want to address a couple points that you made democrats arent against striking some sort of deal. They tried to do it with the schumer shutdown regarding spending. Nancy pelosi is a little full of it on that. Second, you basically proved the point that this is all politics, all semantics, over the term wall. Essentially, all democrats are interested in is denying President Trump that campaign promise, his preeminent promise, on the campaign trail. Thats what this is solely about. The idea that anybody would be against some sort of physical barrier was already disproven by democrats voting on the 2006 secure fence act. Even people like Dianne Feinstein who previously said democrats were totally for Border Security where are they now . Harris can add to that point, they were looking at caravans at that time. In 2012 they used tear gas in the vicinity of families and children, as well. Border patrol has told me that. You can look at dhs statistics on the point and what happened. This issue is not even fresh in the news. This is an issue that it looks like democrats wanted to solve. What happened . What changed . Why dont they want to solve it now . Jessica i dont think thats fair. I do think they want to solve it, i dont think they like or approve of Donald Trumps approach to curbing illegal immigration. This goes back to the rhetoric that was used on the campaign trail, where he came down the golden escalator and started talking about criminals and rapists and the life he made about who is coming to his country, going after people on suspicion of crimes. People being separated from their families, kids in cages, all that. Its very emotional and its important. That doesnt mean democrats dont care about border securit security. Lisa to be fair, president obama also had a policy of family separation for a period of time. Thats the whole reason it came into play with obama as well melissa hate on , do you get the sense he would give Something Big and exceed for the wall . Isnt it a golden opportunity for democrats . Harris unfortunately we didnt get to that topic because we were all over the Michael Cohen i said at the end, mr. President , i want to come back. And he said yes. Based on what we know, to this point and you made a point, chris, that the pictures of the children and cages were from 2014. Chris yes, they werent from jessica it wasnt an administration policy. Its emotional because of how many thousands of kids separated from their chris its emotion created by the media showing the pictures today. Jessica last week, reported yesterday. Melissa james comey due back on capitol hill monday to face questioning after revealing that normal procedure was not followed. He chuckled as he talked about that. 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This, after the bombshell claimed by flinns attorneys that the fbi pressured him into talking without an attorney present. We are also awaiting the governments response to requests from his lawyers that he get no prison time when he is sentenced next week. The president addressed the flynn case during my interview yesterday. Watch it. They took a man who is a general and a respected person, and a nice man, and i dont even know what he said about me. Maybe they scared him enough that he will make up a story. I think its a great thing that the judge is looking into that situation. Its an honor for a lot of terrific people. Harris meanwhile, former fbi director james comey is expected back on capitol hill on monday and will likely face questions about the flynn case after revealing recently that normal procedure was not followed when he ordered fbi agents to question flynn. Something i probably wouldnt have done or may be gotten away with in a more organized investigation, a more organized administration in the george w. Bush administration, for example, or the Obama Administration. If the fbi wanted to send agents into the white house itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the white House Counsel and they would be discussions and approvals and who would be ther there. I thought its early enough, lets just send a couple guys over. Harris it sounds surreptitious. What is your response . Chris its unbelievable, really prayed the fact that he sits there laughing flippantly about it as though it something we cannot joke about now. You know its disturbing to me about this . Im not a conspiratorial person, in the deep state contract to take over the world. It does appear to me and this is someone who ran a campaign, was involved in running a campaign that went against donald trump 42 times in primaries. Its as if that affirmative justice and the fbi and figures with power inside there have been how to get him. Doing things like this i would be disturbed about it no matter who it was. If this was done to members of the Obama Administration, i would find a complete be inappropriate. He laughs like its no big deal. I find it its not right on any level. Harris jessica . Jessica weve discussed this before. Im not a tremendous fan of jim comey. I wish he wasnt becoming as partisan as he is now. I dont think its helpful. We both know that both sides would have fired him. Immediately, when they took office. Whoever one. What he is saying, when he clarified and said this is administration, i would have gotten away with it. He was talking about how disorganized it administration is that they didnt put counsel in there with mike flynn. Not that 90 mccabe was misbehaving. When mueller releases his findings, we will see what he fix it. It seems to me that what happens now is that republicans are trying to make Michael Flynn the story. For us to feel that he is the victim and all of this, to move away from whats going on with Michael Cohen and with the mueller probe. More generally. I think Michael Flynn, nobody made him lie prayed he decided to do that to the fbi and to mike pence. Melissa i disagree with that, because if you look at what is supposed to be turned over today the 302, which, by the way, i dont know how we are reading reports about what is in this 302 when it suppose to be turned over today. How is it being leaked . Thats one question. He writes that, clearly, flynn thought the fbi agents were allies. And that they went over and had to how they were going to they had discussed how they were going to try and trap him in a lie, and that there was no one in the room. This is all coming from mccabe, hes the one writing this. He is the one who was later found by the ig to have lied to fbi agents and to have lied to call me, and to have lied to congress. Chris perjury. Harris it was the ig who found that. Why, if mccabe was proven by the ig to have lied to all these people why isnt he the one that is behind bars . And they even wrote in the 302 that when they left, they didnt believe flynn had lied. Chris that was filed nine months after the fact. It should be done minutes after. Melissa if he lied, they didnt think he was lying. Lisa hold on just a second there are two big points everyone should be concerned about, republican or democrat. The first, sci shouldnt have interviewed him to begin with. The fact that he filed the logan act as the joke. Its a 218yearold law, nobody has ever been prosecuted. That should disturb people that he was interviewed to begin wit with. The other think people should be concerned about is that you dont have to let a person know that there are criminal things underlying peer thats the biggest problem in all of this. The investigation into the trunk people, as well as russia, was a counterintelligence probe. Also, the special counsel probe his his a counterintelligence probe. The problem with that is that it protects them. One, its classified. Submitter have to disclose information to the quote dome at court. It gives them a Broader Authority to go on on a fishing exhalation prayed they dont have to establish it from the beginning. Its me i want to give chris the last word. This piece a good step for me to disagree with any of that. Theres a lot more to be concerned about. The cavalier way in which its been handled, the fact that its just its almost like theyre trying to destroy people slides for support. Thats what i take away from it. The filings are supposed be done minutes after. Harris do you think he gets prison time . Chris no, i dont. Harris we will move on. Challenge accepted during my interview yesterday, the president dared a couple of g. O. P. Critics to challenge him in 2020. Now, a response from the outgoing Ohio Governor john kasich. The warning from his advisor, and what it could mean for the g. O. P. Heading into the 2020 year. We will debate it, next. When your blankets freshness fades before the bingewatching begins. Thats when you know, its halfwashed. Next time, add downy fabric conditioner for up to 7 days of downy freshness. Downy and its done. You might or joints. Hing for your heart. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in Clinical Trials to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. dealing with Psoriatic Arthritis pain was so frustrating. My skin. It was embarrassing. My joints. They hurt. The pain and swelling. The tenderness. 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Melissa the New York Times reporting that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met earlier this week in speculation that each will one for president , according to two democrats briefed on their discussion prad only the two senators were present, and they stated what has become clear to many that they are both seriously considering seeking the democratic nomination in 2020. They reportedly did not seek to coordinate their ambitions or to try and talk the other out of running. All this, as missouri democrat Claire Mccaskill says that she is not sure anyone from her partys progressive wing could win her state in 2020. In an interview with msnbc, mccaskill who lost her seat this fall was asked whether warren, sanders, or senator Kamala Harris stood a chance in missouri. Watch. I do believe that, as a party, what we need to do is make sure that we are nominating someone who is inspirational, and who can convince the American People that they can make things change. Its very hard to make things change if you are hanging out at the end of the spectrum. If you are on opposite sides of the room. Melissa chris, what do you think . Who stands the best chance . Chris [laughs] i think her staff is trying to get her out of the race because they know she has no chance. She knows the least about Foreign Policy and own heritage. [laughter] you got people around her apologizing for the way in which she has acted. She hasnt even announced her campaign and its already falling apart. You got a poll out of massachusetts that show that democrats dont even think she should run. Efficacy is a nonstarter. I cant point to i dont know how many there are 40 or 50 people on the democratic side. They lost, unfortunately. I was looking for to this trump and Michael Avenatti debates. It might still happen. [laughter] chris i hope so who cares at this point . I dont know who the democrats would put forward that could win missouri. They wont win. The question is whether they go back and win pennsylvania and michigan. Those are the ones they have to worry about. Melissa that you are nodding. Who do you think is the best . Jessica joe biden is the best. Melissa he wasnt in the meeting jessica but that was the progressive meeting. Whats very clear out of the meeting is that they wanted everybody to know that no one is bullying anyone out of running. After what happened in 2016, when the narrative was that the dnc worked for hillary, to somehow get her those extra 4 million votes, that bernie was bullied out of nomination and they could go with he would have one harris there was a lot going on. Jessica there was, but we dont want that want that narrative again. You see the work that they are doing for Bernie Sanders already. Everyone should take their time and decide what they want to do. We will see who actually goes for demand. We know that harris between those two, who would you support . Jessica i would vote for roberts on the ticket, but thats not my side of the party. Harris that was dodged like dodgeball. Jessica i think thats what any moderate democrat would say. Whatever is the nominee, i would support. Talk about this before, i think sharon brown should be involved for sure. Amy klobuchar is great. I think Kamala Harris, sharon brown harris i had one on my show today. A moderate democrat. Chris he couldnt win his own state. You cant nominate a moderate democrat. They will nominate whoever is as far left as possible. Lisa we have to think about the dynamics, too come about with the primary field will look like for democrats. I think it will be similar to what they it republicans had in 2016. A crowded primary field. When you have that, you could potentially have somebody whos not even in this conversation, not even thought of right now, that is able to break through. Honestly, its probably the more established people. Even if its more established progressives, that will end up not making it through. In that sort of it dynamic, its probably somebody new and fresh. Not somebody like donald trump. Chris four years ago he wasnt even being talked about. Lisa to think you want to roll out this campaign added in this whole elaborate rule out to tell america that you are less native american than the average u. S. White person. I mean, shes never going to be president. Thats bad. Jessica chris that was unbelievable. Jessica President Trump during harris interview yesterday, essentially during republicans to run against him in 2020. This, amid reports that Ohio Governor john kasich and arizona senator jeff flake may be considering that. Take a listen. Im going to bring up John Kasich John kasich and arizona senator jeff flake. Because they say they may run against you in 2020. I hope so. Harris thank you. The five and a direct response from kay siks strategist, john weaver. Single buckle be careful what you wish for. He admits he probably wont beat trump if it was today, but hes not taking the run off the table. Watch. Harris all my options are on the table and live to see how things develop. I dont want to be doing something that doesnt make sense, where it would be impactful. I dont know how thats all going to be decided yet. We are being prepared. Jessica we can all agree, that chair is not a fabulous look for the governor. What do you make of this . Do you think trump feeds off of a primary and its good for him, or do you think it would cost him a headache or two . Chris i think it depends. John kasich is irrelevant. If we want to quote somebody, why dont we find somebody who has won a primary or elected a president . When john kasich was tailormade to men in hampshire and coming only a 15 there. He only got 5 in South Carolina and about it. Parade in arizona he finished behind marco rubio, who had already dropped out. Hes relevant in the 2020 conversation. Some could get in and be relevant, but hes not one of them. Right now, probably nobody because donald trump is going to be the nominee. I think depending on what happens moving forward, youve had people who have decided at this point to the presidency. You dont have to accomplish what i want to accomplish. Right now i think its a silly conversation have. For anybody to making comments like be careful what you wish for, they are in search a camera. Melissa i think he loves it. Harris could tell us better because she was right there. He would love a fight. Harris i think its an opportunity for him to go down his checklist of things that he has accomplished. I also think and i asked him i know i took a lot of criticism for this, but this was the baseline interview to me. It is my first time with him. Lisa i think you did a great job. Harris thank you. I interviewed bill clinton in the past, when he came through missouri as a swing state. I asked several questions about why they want or love the job they were about to do or had the opportunity to do. Because their toughest days look nothing like our toughest days. Im always carries about that, because you got to be able to hang in the room. Where i saw him get the most excited yesterday was the idea of running again. We will see. I had a lot of other things i wanted to ask him about. Maybe they would have been some excitement about immigration and the wall, equal to but i sort of got a bring it on sort of attitude from him. We will see, theres a lot to happen between now and then. Jessica what do you think, lisa . Lisa look how much he was on the campaign trail. He loves getting out there, talking to people he thrives on it. I dont know if a sitting president has ever done more for the party in terms of the sheer amount of events and rallies that they have attended. Spew on we talked about that, that energy. Lisa he clearly loves it. Regarding john kasich, i think is just a fraud and thats his biggest problem. He tries to say hes this happy warrior, but you see he so ornery and angry. Thats contradictory to the image hes trying to have. Harris these are not comets you are making based on what youve seen. Chris i do it with him, it was yeah. Jessica in terms of think hes followed through on, he said he has worked with the other side and he has done that in ohio, expanding medicaid. Chris in other words, he voted with democrats. Harris but so does jeff flake. Lisa i think hes an unhappy warrior. Chris is there warrior part of this . [laughter] harris the president says he loves what he does because he gets to boxcheck. He gets to say i did this, i tried this. Jessica the senate is currently delivering two rebukes to saudi arabia, and they also rebukes of the trump administration. How they could affect relations with a key middle eastern ally. We will debate it, coming up next. Newday va home loan for veterans. 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Melissa speed two more are n just a moment. Lets check in with harris and see whats coming up on outnumbered overtime a few moments away. Harris thank you, melissa. Heres what we are working on. In their interview yesterday, President Trump said he never directed his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to do anything wrong. Today cohen is think of the president did direct them to make hush money payments. Does come in, a proven liar, have any credibility customer gave former prosecutor will join me to break down. Plus, former fbi director james comey is due back on capitol hill on monday prayed one of the congressmen who will him on capital capitol hill jo. A public and matt gaetz of florida, on what he needs to hear from comey about the meal or investigation. Watch it, top of the hour. Outnumbered overtime. Back to you, melissa. Melissa thanks. Lisa the Senate Passing to nonbinding resolutions that standing start contrast to saudi arabia. One introduced by bob corker of condemns the saudi prince for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi in turkey. President trump has yet to endorse the cias reported confidence that the crown prince was involved. The other said resolution will end u. S. Military support for the saudiled war on iranbacked rebels in yemen. Its the first time they have use the powers granted under the 1973 war powers act. A few of the cosponsors, Bernie Sanders and mike lee. Is not just the murder of one journalist. It is the starvation of 85,000 children and imminent starvation of millions more. Do we really want to be a part of that process . I speak for myself, for my role as a United States senator. That is jealously guarding the power that is lodged in the legislative branch of government to declare war. That is significant, and that fight is worth fighting. Lisa that resolution goes to the house, which is not expected to take it up by the end of the air. The outgoing ambassador for the u. N. , nikki haley, calling out iran in all of this. The worlds worst humanitarian crisis demands more than hope from the Security Council that peace will come to yemen. It demands that we take action to hold all the warring parties accountable. It demands that we address the iranian aggression at the root of the crisis. Lisa chris, you deal in the world of optics and polling. How does the public receive all this . Chris i think its are markable, lisa. This is the first time weve seen them take a hard break with President Trump on something. As you know, senator lee is a client and a very good friend. In communicating with him and whats going on, if you are going to take a stand on something, this is the right place to take a stand. On both levels on the fact that it is wrong, what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. Its wrong what is going on in yemen. It has to be balanced against saudi arabia is an important ally to us in the fight against iran and this situation. It is a tough balancing act. I take pride in what my friend, mike lee, did here. The fact that they are doing this for the First Time Since 1973. I also have great concern about how we move forward in this situation, because its not an easy balancing act. I appreciate the role that nikki haley plays, and im concerned for her when she leaves. I hope we have somebody with that level of strength and resoluteness about it. There are children dying in yemen, and it should break all of their hearts. Lisa obviously come with the objective of the senate and congress is to try and put pressure on President Trump to change his perspective in the wy that hes working with saudi arabia. But will it work you . Melissa i dont know, i dont even give them that. I have so little respect for what they are doing. This set up there and vote on a nonbinding resolution quest in markets like the u. N. Passing one of these resolutions that has no teeth in it. So you stand up a new hoot and holler, and then you do there is nothing backing it up at all. If they really want to make a difference, they should do something else. To me, its such a hollow action it just reminds me of so much that congress does. Totally hollow, out there making speeches, who cares . Lisa my question to you is, clearly this is a bipartisan effort. No denying that. My question, for the supporters of the iran deal, not doing business with countries that have egregious human rights records but then why were democrats supportive of the iran deal . Jessica they thought it was our best option to make sure iran didnt end up with nuclear weapons. There are a lot of people who would attest to that, we will see what comes out of it now that its you know, we have added administration hostile to it. Democrats know as well as republicans that you have to do business with people that you dont want to. And who are human rights abusers and all that. The Obama Administration, in good faith, thought that iran going into the steel was good to make us all safer. I love to see bipartisanship, especially with people like michael he and Bernie Sanders. Those are the polar opposites of the spectrum, and its a wonderful thing. We also glossed over this yemen has been going on for years, and we woke up to it because of the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. It was a terrible thing, we should have been more concerned three years ago. Lisa jessica, didnt you just prove what the perspective is in working with saudi arabia . That he feels is in our strategic interest in the region to continue doing business in saudi arabia. You just essentially said thats why obama hold on, chris, what do you think about that . Chris i would say that over iran the president did what i thought over the weekend of thanksgiving he did a pretty phenomenal job of laying out the reasoning. I think he did more of this as to why it was important for the United States to continue a relationship with saudi arabia. I think a lot of people right now are questioning the significance of that. I would submit for the same reasons that jessica pointed out although they are different in terms of our conclusion that the Obama Administration continue to work with and grant billions of dollars to iran. It was a lot of money. Well yeah, but melissa can i say simply, the reason to continue the relationship is for the sake of israel. We need to have Strategic Partners in the area against iran, who is trying to obliterate israel off the face of the earth. If you have to do business with saudi arabia to help to that end, because they are the enemy of my enemy, thats who they are battling in yemen. Iran. It is a humanitarian crisis, there must be more that we could do to stop it or to help it. Jessica but you could also sanction, something that you are saying. They only respond to money. 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Ask your Diabetes Care specialist about tresiba®. Melissa think you to chris wilson. Any final thoughts . I kind of sprung that on you. Chris its good to be in newark for christmas. Melissa look how crowded it is behind is we are going to lets go to fifth avenue. Go to fifth avenue. Its fun. Im going to drive you over there. Jessica that was an elitist comment melissa we are back at noon eastern on monday. For now, heres harris. Harris we begin with this news. Michael cohen heading back at his former client and his first interview since he was sentenced to prison paid im harris faulkner. Youre watching outnumbered overtime. The president s personal attorney speaking out just days after he was sentenced to three years in prison. He told good morning america, President Trump directed hush money payments to help us campaign. At the special counsel has evidence to corroborate his story prayed here it is. He directed me to make the payments. He directed me to become involved in these