0 won't make significant changes. one delay after another. a lot of it is lawless. i don't think he has the right to issue edicts and change provisions of the law the way he has. what else is available for those of us who like to see the law eliminated? >> we voted more than 40 times to eliminate, delay it. the sad reality is it's people's health care. they are going to suffer and president obama will be the leading candidate to win this award next year when people get sticker shock and understand they are t not going to be saving on average, as he said, $2500 per family per year. that, too, was a perpetuation of untruth and it will be shocking to people. it affects real americans. we laugh and joke about this because the president puts up these characters out there to try to perpetuate this thing called obama care and get people to sign up for it. but it is real people's health care. >> real people, real lives, real cancellation letters, you can't keep your doctor and real shock in terms of deductibles. a real problem. i was surprised, congressman chaffetz. you voted for the ryan-murray budget. why did you vote for that? >> that's not the way i would have crafted it. doing nothing would have been worse. keep in mind, under sequestration you didn't have cuts to other spending programs. you had cuts in defense spending. look at what's going on in china right now. i voted to cut defense in the past. there comes a point where the only thing this president is willing to cut is defense. yonk we can keep doing it that well. we have to move this country forwa forward. >> more spending in 2014-15 you don't get until years nine and ten you get a potential savings. you and i both no future congress won't be beholden to those cuts down the road and this is just more spending. isn't that what will happen? >> i think what we did, new future federal employees have to contribute nor their retirement. that adds up by the tens of billions of dollars and that will continue on in per ppetuit. it was the right thing to do. we have to change elections. that's the bottom line here. i think paul ryan was absolutely spotton this. we are in divided government. we have to win elections. that's the best i think we can do and i think doing nothing was worse. >> let's say we take the senate and you have to refer to your colleague as senator, which i want to happen. you have the house and the senate and obama is still president. and you have to win the presidency first. now the earliest we can deal with record deficits, $25 trillion in debt. $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities is, what, january of 2017? remember the budget is a ceiling. now we get to have the 13 appropriation bills. doesn't mean we have to go up to the budget. we will be offering striking amendments on the floor of the house and i hope we come in under budget. >> when does that happen? >> we never had a budget framework that we could get the democrats to agree to. >> just the way the bureaucracy is working it seems to me the same old, same old. maybe what i'm looking for is a republican party to offer a plan to balance the budget and be bold and explain to the american people how dire things can be in the future. congressman cotton, you voted against the deal. why did you vote against it? >> well, sean, like you i have skepticism that the long term will ever arrive in washington. we see more short-term spending for long-term spending reductions but the long term never seems to arrive. i have friends and allies like jason and paul ryan in whom i have enormous respect. jason highlighted some good mesh measures in the package like increased military spending and the contributions from federal civilian employees. overall the increase in short-term spending as well as, in my opinion, the unfair way military retirees were treated versus civilian retirees meant the cost of the package outweighed benefits. as you say, the real problem lies in the senate, not the house. that's one reason why i'm running for the senate so we can have budgets that do balance that control spending. we can send them to the president and force tough decisions. >> i don't think there is any evidence in the five years he's been president he has any desire to move away from his rigid ideology. period. >> sean, look what happened last month with the insurance cancellations. for several weeks the president and his aides called it the wild west substandard. when political pressure got too intense they did a 180 flip-flop saying you can keep your unregulated wild west substandard policy. don't be surprised if obama care continues to unfold if they continue to back pedal. starting january 2015 when the republicans control the senate they will start to back pedal on claims of increased spending or desires for higher taxes. >> thanks for joining us. merry christmas. >> merry christmas. >> up next the man responsible for the controversial times square bill board. who needs christ during christmas? that guy. the president of the american atheists is here in studio and will defend that billboard in time square. and a math teacher behind bars for third years for sexually abusing a child. that's not stopping his teacher's union from fighting for his $10,000 severance package. and we investigate more trouble for nbc news. their host, ed schultz, why is he secretly receiving mountains of money from big labor?

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