0 honesty of the obama administration of the irs and subpoena of records. 18 percent. >> they have 0 tolerance. it has been demonstrated through out the presidency. >> the real scandal of washington is quickly becoming the most unprotect tive congress of the history of the united states. >> an international manhunt who leaked classified information about nsa surveillance programs. in washington another hunt. these are straight answers from the obama administration. >> they are afraid of what the government is doing. it's under the guise of people keeping us safe. >> don't trust federal judges. >> does the nsa collect any data at snul>> not wittingly. there are cases where they inadvertently perhaps collect but not wittingly. >> is it okay for him to lie? had there not been a leak they would have known. >> they have said correctly in my view that strong congressional oversight is absolutely essential in that area. it is not possible for congress to do the kind of vigorous over site what the president spoke about if you can't get straight answers. >> when are you going to stop beating your wife? it isn't able to be a yes or no. i answered in the most truthful manner and said no. >> in your statement you said that you gave his office a chance to amend it. what did he do? >> sent down a question ahead of time. we indicated to them afterwards there would be an opportunity to amend it. >> what did they do? did they respond? >> the answer was never commended. >> the most truthful or the least untruthful answer. this isn't a question of whether he is a nice guy or whether he served well. >> i think the senator's question, in fairness he advised he was going to ask the question. knowing that is pretty hard to say the answer wasn't prau joer have a problem that has to be ex plagued. i don't kw where he had accomplices where he is picking up information for people on the hill. i find it hard to believe he had access to everything or everything he said he had access to. that is contributed to the hysteria. >> he is in hong kong, at least we think he is. >> i don't know that we know enough to say how he is itch indicated with china. more about his motives emerge as he leaks information that has nothing to do with america's privacy telling the chinese what may or may not be accurate information about our cyber warfare against them. i thought they committed treason before. i think if that is true i think that caps, too, that it is treason. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >> is the obama administration keeping congress out of the loop? they suggest only intel committee knew about prison, though. the republican councilman billy law does not agree with president obama. >> i have no notice we checked our e-mail. i think it is a fiction everybody in congress knows. we have our intel committee that get briefed but the full congress does not. >> most nemembers of congress we not aware of how broad this thing was. it probably suggests we need to have additional over site. >> it has been said every member of congress knew about the program. the ones i have spoken to were not aware of this program. we were lied to about the existence of this program. >> director rick klein joins us next. >> between your tweets with congressman long it seems a lot of people are not on the same page. >> the president is mistaken if he thinks everybody knew about this. they are mistaken if they think they had no way of knowing about this. everybody had access to this information if they had gone to classified briefings. the catch is not a lot of the members knew what was going on in the briefings. they didn't know it was going to be an important one they didn't know it was going to be cast the same way as the information last inside the class and say i don't think this is a good idea i like to have dialogue among themselves to sort of say well i couldn't talk about it so i didn't bother to go. now i don't know anything. >> that's true. we didn't have an example from the bush administration they were so concerned about something he wrote about it yhe had to write it in his own hand he filed it away and nothing he could do about it. the fact is unless the committee chairman on the intelligence committee or majority of the intelligence committee members are opposed to something when they hear about it it will continue. that's why the range and file member has no say in it. a real public debate is a fallacy. >> does this go away or does it get bigger? >> the president said he wanted a debate he is getting the debate we are having it for the first time we are having more call for public accountability and the nsa classified some of the programs learned about more of it that way. they are not happy about learning about it with the press. >> how do you escape this one? >> i think they have bipartisan support. there are plenty of members of congress far left and far right who need to have information about this one. >> lawmakers they are not the only ones who may be fed up. many americans have in enough about the government am's cloak and dagger routine even surveillance after the secret. is the fight of the court just a rubber stamp? we asked former u.s. attorney general michael mukasey. >> let me ask you about the court. when i looked at some of these numbers in 2013 -- 2012 according to a letter sent to harry reid the government made 1,789 applications for authorities to conduct electronic sur ray lens. they went through one and 1,788 were granted. that means every single won the government asked for was granted. it looks like a rubber stamp to me. >> it's not. it means two things number won the national security division always has been, was when i was there and i am sure still is very, very cautious about what they apply for, because the one thing they have going for them is credibility. secondly those statistics don't tell you what changes were made before they were granted whether the courts pushed back as it sometimes does and asks in the applications. that often happens. >> let me ask you this. in terms of the wash shoes nature we see the best of the best seeking the warrant to grab james rosen's information that was anything but cautious. that was reckless. >> that was not the national security division. that was the u.s. attorney's office and the district of columbia that submitted an affidavit that would have been bounced by anybody with a law degree and should have been. >> and it was not. that's the thing that scares me. the one thing is there was no challenge to the government. everything was on national security and submit the car rants in front of the judges they go up to the judge. there are no such things as check and balances. ombudsman speak to the people saying maybe there should be pull back on this application. >> greta, you are mixes up two things. the rosen affidavit was not by the court. >> i know that. >> but it was -- the federal court, i understand that. these are experienced members of the bench. that wasn't a new magistrate or a federal judge. >> he signed off on that affidavit. i know he never would have signed off on it even if he was woken up in the middle of the night. he was signed off by a judge who was an appointed official not confirmed by the senate. >> he was respected. >> he may have been respected before this but if you read the affidavit there is no way that warrant should be granted. >> there is no checks or balances and the judges who sit on the court come off of the district court. this is an extra assignment they have. we have no way to know what they are doing. >> of course we have no way to know what they are doing. they are involved in an intelligence gathering which is a sensitive progress. you are saying there's no room for secrecy in the government. we have no checks and balances in the manhattan project either. >> we ought to have some representative make sure they recreate the support someone who says nothing but yes, sir, yes, sir everything the government does. >> you don't know what's what they are doing. >> when they get 100 percent of the applications i have to admit i am suspicious. >> you may be suspicious but they may be doing less than what they should be doing going in on the safe cases. ray kelly over precisely that. he said the percentage was too high because they weren't going far enough. >> what is all of the snooping doing to the credibility of the government. we are going to talk about that with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. lets you connect up to 25 devices on one easy to manage plan. that means your smartphone, her blackberry, his laptop, mark's smartphone... but i'm still on vacation... ...stilln the plan. nice! so is his tablet, that guy's hotspot, thentern's tablet. the intern gets a tablet? 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