We will ask the chief deputy whip in the house, dan kildee. Historian doris goodekerwin says playing the bigger man often pays big dividends. It worked for john kennedy and Ronald Reagan and might just work for donald trump. All that and home depot cofounder on democrats aiming to tax the heck out of the rich. Isnt that what happened in venezuela and isnt that why secretary of state mike pompeo stepped in today at the u. N. No less to say once and for all, it stops in venezuela. Can you sue the nfl for a botched call . A lot of new Orleans Saints fans sure think so. Meet the lawyer who is arguing their case, but does he even have a prayer . We will ask him because hes here with a promise. Next weeks super bowl, dont think his saints dont still come marching in. Lets get going. Cavuto live starts now. Neil all right. As we enter the second year with this show, its another reminder why its good to be live on saturdays, because as my friend Shepard Smith says, breaking news changes everything and goshdarn it, with the government reopening last night and all the adjustments in place now and some back and forth going on at the United Nations as we speak over the future of venezuela, just what we do about it, it is a good thing we are here to connect all the dots, beginning with this shutdown thats now officially done, but getting back to normal, whatever that is, well, thats anyones guess. We have the latest from the white house. Reporter late yesterday, President Trump signed a bill to reopen the federal government for three weeks, ending the longest shutdown in u. S. History. However, the reason for the shutdown, the reason why we got in this mess to begin with still remains unresolved. This deal does not include new money for a border wall. Instead, there is a promise that those talks, those negotiations will continue, which is almost exactly what democrats had asked the president to do. They had been saying hey, open the federal government first, then we will talk about Border Security. President trump, however, says it is not a concession. President trump tweeting this morning, 21 days ago very quick, 21 days goes very quickly, negotiations with democrats will start immediately, will not be easy to make a deal. Both parties very dug in. Part of the deal here is that democrats and republicans set up a bipartisan Conference Committee to draft an appropriations bill for the department of Homeland Security and discuss funding for the president s proposed border wall. In the rose garden, the president tried to once again make the case for a physical barrier at the u. S. mexico border, focusing heavily on crime and saying the only choice is to build a quote, powerful wall or steel barrier. If we dont get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the United States to address this emergency. Reporter a senior white house official tells me that they believe moderate democrats, democrats who flipped previously republicanheld districts this last election cycle, they say they believe those democrats are willing to fund a border wall but they say the question now is how much pull will those types of democrats have when it comes to this Conference Committee. They say that that is their big question moving forward, exactly who is going to be the key negotiators within this Conference Committee. We have names of people on it but they say the big question is who has really the most say here, and whether or not it will be those moderate democrats or the other members of the party who have said very clearly that they do not support the wall. They say the reason for this, and the president touched on this a little bit yesterday, they say they have heard, the white house claims they have heard from moderate democrats throughout this shutdown, that they are willing to bend on funding the wall and they say they are hoping those are the people who are going to lead the negotiations moving forward. Neil . Neil thank you very, very much. Its not just the moderate democrats who might be more flexible on this. It includes the number two democrat in the house, steny hoyer, House Majority leader, who says a physical barrier might ultimately be part of the solution. Take a look. I think physical barriers are part of the solution. Neil you dont share Nancy Pelosis view that a wall is immoral . Look, i think it depends upon what a wall is used for, whether its moral or immoral. If its protecting people, its moral. If its imprisoning people, it may well be immoral. Neil all right. That was the first hint that theres more give and take on this issue behind the scenes than in front of the scenes than you think. Republican congressman mark meadows, thanks for coming in. Good to see you. Good to see you, its great to be back with you. Neil where do we stand right now, three weeks, it can go by like seconds, and the president is confident and said that he hopes to see some sort of wall funding by that time. Do you . Well, he is hopeful. I can tell you that thats based on a number of republicans and democrats having private conversations over the last 48 hours, even today there will be additional conversation in a bicameral and bipartisan way. But really, you cant look at this situation and believe that it will be easy. Obviously the shutdown of the last 35 days would indicate that, but i do believe that highranking democrats, not just those swing state new freshmen, but highranking democrats, are willing to look at strategic fencing and border barriers as part of it, and i think what we need to do is take our Border Patrol chiefs, let them talk about what is important for really operational control in their sections and hopefully, we will be able to see that in the coming days. Neil a lot of people say the president caved. Im sure you might have taken a gander at the cover of the new york daily news. Variation of that theme even in the conservative media, congressman. Breitbart, government open, border, no border. Ann coulter. On and on. What did you make of it . I have read all the headlines. Heres one of the things that a lot of those press releases fail to remember. If you remember back when he signed the big omnibus, he said i will never do that again, sign a big full funding of the government without border barrier funding and i can tell you that hes remained true to that. Now, we can criticize neil i think the criticism at the time was just the sheer size of it but it did provide funding for the military, which he wanted. Thats why he winced but signed it. This one just seemed to catch him off guard. I dont think he anticipated this. But what does he do now . Well, i think that what hes doing is putting it back on congresss plate, but also taking democrats at their word. You know, the one thing that is not being covered here this morning, neil, is that the fact that the president of the United States said okay, democrats, im going to take you at your word, im going to trust that youre really willing to negotiate, you got three weeks to get it done, and if not, we are going to be back in the same situation, but i think neil what does same situation mean, sir . Does that mean he does declare a National Emergency or would he risk shutting down the government again . What . Well, i think theres always a risk of shutting it down, although i dont think that thats the highest risk at this particular point. I know you made that point yesterday, neil. I think that he in fact, i know he has three or four different operations that are at his disposal that are legal, some that are in statute already. Listen, if president obama can send 1. 8 billion to the iranians, i can tell you, i didnt appropriate that, certainly finding a few billion dollars for Border Security on our southern border is something that this president can do legally and without a challenge. Neil all right. Well, article iv of the constitution does give him some wide moves here. He could require the federal government to protect states that might be in danger of an invasion from these caravans but that would likely, from what legal analysts tell me, that would likely be struck down by a court and we would be back to where we are. Do you anticipate that . So i dont anticipate necessarily that one being used. Lets look at 10usc sections 274284. Neil im so glad you brought those up. Heres what it does. It says the dod can help protect our borders for the drug corridors, build fencing, build walls, provide lighting neil you can allocate money appropriated to other areas and shift them to these areas. Many tell me you cant do that. Nancy pelosi is already on record saying dont even try that. But the Supreme Courts are on the executive branchs side of this because they have what they call chevron deference that says if its ambiguous, the executive branch gets to interpret it. The last time i checked, nancy pelosi is not a Supreme Court justice and if we are going to have the fight, lets do it. But i think that where we really need to be is make congress do their job over the next three weeks. We are going to take the democrats at their word, they said open it up, we will negotiate in good faith. We will see very quickly. Neil so just so i understand, the democrats as part of their word, did that include the possibility of including in the debate funding for a wall . I have heard from some democrats who say that was never talked about. Was it . Yeah, so i think that where we are on this particular thing, if you are using the word wall and a concrete barrier, i dont think most democrats will support that. If youre looking at strategic fencing and barriers and border barriers similar to what steny hoyer just said, hopefully what you will hear from mr. Kildee coming up here in just a minute, i think most democrats see that there are areas of our border that have no fencing, no barriers, and you can just walk across and that doesnt mean just walking across for a stroll. It means drugs and Human Trafficking and all the bad things that can happen. So hopefully, we will see that. I can tell you, ive had very good conversations with a lot of my democrat colleagues in private. Im optimistic that we can get there. Neil all right. Well see. Thank you very, very much. The congressman sort of tipped our hand, dan kildee, the deputy whip will be responding to this and whether there were sort of promises made that we would indeed, the democrats, be open to talking about a wall. Well see. Hes up a little bit later on in the program. Meanwhile, a deal to temporarily fund the government should get us around all these grounded flights and delays and long lines at the nations airports, right . Not necessarily. After this. Oh really . Thank you clients . Well jd power did just rank them highest in Investor Satisfaction with full Service Brokerage firms. Again. And online equity trades are only 4. 95. I mean you cant have low cost and be full service. Its impossible. Its like having your cake and eating it too. Ask your broker if they offer awardwinning full service and low costs. How am i going to explain this . If you dont like their answer, ask again at schwab. Schwab, a modern approach to wealth management. Neil all right. If the government is back in business, it should be business as usual if youre flying anywhere in this country. The lines will be gone, all the problems will be gone. Not necessarily and not so fast. Jonathan serrie, at hartsfieldjackson airport, where concerns have been a delay, whats going on there . Reporter even though the Government Shutdown has ended, it is having a lingering effect on federal transportation workers who have already missed two paychecks. This morning, at hartsfieldjackson Atlanta International airport, a local food bank is dropping off donati donations at the airport. Yesterday a credit union offered tsa employees free gas at two service stations near the airport. Nationwide, many federal airport workers view the temporary end to the shutdown as just that, temporary. They want to try to do in three weeks what they couldnt do in five weeks, so any one of us thats asking what do you think is going to happen, they are going to shut down the government again. Thats what we all think. They are going to do it again. Reporter the trade Group Airlines for america issued a statement on the agreement on the Government Shutdown saying this measure will allow the federal employees who protect and maintain our nations Aviation System to be paid for the critical work they do. We appreciate the men and women who have been going to work every day to ensure the safety and security of the traveling and shipping public, even though they missed two paychecks. Throughout the shutdown, federal agencies say they have been consolidating resources to continue providing Services Without compromising passenger safety, but yesterdays staffing shortages at faa control centers along the east coast caused major flight delays at new Yorks Laguardia airport, which of course has a Ripple Effect throughout the entire system. Coming back to our live shot here at the airport in atlanta, they are estimating the wait times in the tsa lines, about 15 minutes, which is what you would expect on a normal saturday morning. Neil . Neil next week it could be very different, with the super bowl and Everything Else. Reporter absolutely. City officials are saying this shutdown ended just in time. Neil yeah. I would imagine they would be saying that. All right, jonathan, thank you very, very much. Great job. Meanwhile, the president of the National Air Traffic controllers association, paul ronaldi, you wanted to see this day come and so it has. But it did open up a couple reminders how vulnerable we are if only a few people leave their desks or dont show up for work. Any lessons from any of this . It certainly showed our staffing crisis that we have throughout the system. 30year low on fully certified controllers and what we saw yesterday was, you know, a handful of controllers in a building that has about 400 controllers not show up and they couldnt open all the positions. So i think what we have to really focus on hiring air Traffic Controllers. Our academy has been closed for the last 35 days. We are working on getting that going, we are making plans with the faa to get it going as quickly as possible because we have to hire more air Traffic Controllers and train them. It takes three to six years, depending on the facility theyre going to, to train them so they can work on their own. Neil you know, much has been raised of the fact, and everyone understands pressures of the job, especially when youre not getting paid for that job. But when 1 out of 10 tsa workers, for example, i dont know the exact numbers for flight controllers, dont show up, they cant do that, its against the law, but will there be any punishment meted out for those who did that . Well, we have tracked sick leave since the first day, with the secretary of transportation and the faa administrator. Our sick leave in the air Traffic Control unit was actually less than it was in a normal operation. And we stress that this is not who we are and thats not who we are. We are highly skilled, highly trained professionals and take the safety of the flying public very sacred. Neil so what happens if the three weeks, were back, doing this again and shutting down, then what . I think the immediate relief were seeing is that the controllers are expecting to get their paycheck tuesday or wednesday next week, some money to start paying some bills. So that stress that they were dealing with is out of the work environment, which helps tremendously. Now, yes, we certainly hope we never see this again. Its really not a smart move by either party or the white house. I saw it cost 90 million a day to have federal employees stay home. Thats absurd. They should come to work, they should get paid and they should do the work for the american public. Neil do you think this whole episode has given bad guys ideas, seeing the vulnerabilities in our air traffic system that we might regret . I think we really have to start to put the pieces together, the puzzle back together, over the last 35 days and make sure there are no vul vesh vulnerabilities and make sure any risk that entered into the system, we mitigate it immediately. Neil thank you very, very much. I appreciate it. The guy who heads up the National Air Traffic controllers association. I want to take you to the United Nations right now. They are working there. You dont often see that on a saturday. But at issue is what collectively the world is going to do about venezuela, where technically, we have two men claiming to be president of that country. Juan guaido is the one we recognize, the interim president. Much of the western world. But Nicholas Maduro, the incumbent, is not leaving. Hes got the backing of russia and china and cuba. So hes saying hes not going anywhere. More crucially, hes got the backing, maduro, of the nations military. You know how that goes. Whoever has the military generally has the edge on power. For now, maduro does. What happens next . Thats what they are trying to decide. Good luck with that. Is is a ver. Failure is not an option. More than half of employees across the country bring Financial Stress to work. If youre stressed out financially at home, youre going to be too worried to be able to do a good job. I want to be able to offer all of the benefits that keep them satisfied. It is the people that is really the only asset that you have. Put your employees on a path to Financial Wellness with prudential. Bring your challenges. And the army taught me a lot about commitment. Which i apply to my life and my work. At comcast were commited to delivering the best experience possible, by being on time everytime. And if we are ever late, well give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. My name is antonio and im a technician at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. The system that allows billionaires to exist when there are parts of alabama where people are still getting ringworm because they dont have access to Public Health is wrong. Neil this populist pitch does resonate with a lot of folks. How do you defend that as a rich guy, that the systems just fine . Well, i like to not think of me as a rich guy. I grew up in a tenement in newark, new jersey. Neil i understand, but you are quite rich now. Im rich today because i broke my back getting there, neil. And you know what . Everybody in america should have the opportunity to get to where i am. Neil the great thing about Bernie Marcus is only in america can someone who is not remotely handy come up with a store like home depot and become a millionaire. This is america. Welcome back. Obviously this backandforth comes amid a clarion call on the part of Many Democrats who have taken over the house to remind folks there theres a new sheriff in town and that sheriff is looking to go after the rich, not necessarily congresswoman cortezs route, taxing them as much as 70 , but to, like Elizabeth Warren, put a percentage on their wealth and tax that, raise overall taxes, which they are contemplating in the house. The Budget Committee chairman talked about upping the Corporate Tax from 21 to 28 . There is a pattern here. Pretty much expressed by all the president ial candidates announced thus far. Lets go to susan li. We have lindsey bell. Lindsey, what do you think of this trend . I think it goes against everything that america was built on. America has had the success weve had, we are a 20 trillion economy, the largest economy in the world, because of capitalism. And the American Dream, just like your guest said, if you crush the American Dream by punishing people for financial success, there will be economic implications. Thats going to be coming in the face of stymieing innovation, productivity, Wealth Creation. Its all going to be lost and the whole World Economic order can be changed. Neil a lot of them go back to the 50s and 60s when rates were about what they are talking about now and jonas, it worked. We were doing fine. Yeah, we didnt collect those rates. That was i dont know if they actually really want to squeeze 70 out of people, because thats where you start to have problems. The actual percentage of income tax collecting, it hasnt really changed that much, believe it or not, over the years. I think neil the fact the onus is put on fewer and fewer americans has changed. No, in fact whats changed, this is the part, my biggest criticism because i think shes done a very good job of dominating the left wing field and shes much better than Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders even of selling these far left socialist ideas. I think shes a very dangerous candidate going forward. I think shes going to win a lot of stuff. That said, the problem here is just that, is they dont understand how things work in sweden where incidentally, they have a lot of billionaires, sweden has always had a lot of billionaires. More than venezuela, which they need to remember. They actually tax everybody. They dont just soak the rich, because there wouldnt be any in sweden, either. They have very high taxation that goes across the board down to like 40,000, 50,000, 60,000 income. Neil everyone has skin in the game. Thats how they pay for all these social programs. The European Countries have a lot of billionaires all across europe, have a huge social contract. The government is like twice the size of ours in gdp terms. Yet its not soaking these handful of billionaires or they wouldnt be there. Thats why they are getting rid of the wealth tax in most European Countries in favors of other kinds of taxation. Neil they also gave us abba. Ikea. Great companies. Neil what do you make of this trend . I would argue if you take a look at soaking the rich and taxes, take a look at the carter era going into the reagan eesra. Reagan cutting taxes, deregulating. Thats where you create more jobs, an economy growing at 3. 5 . I think thats a lesson we should take away. You want to tax the rich at 70 , you wont get the Economic Growth and by the way, the Wealth Creation for everybody you saw during the reagan era, right . Neil you know, with the shutdown now over, i hope over, what happens next three weeks is anyones guess, but you know, the market soared through this. We are showing the dow, nasdaq, s p 500, russell 2000, all up double digits. Yeah. It wasnt fazed even as things got more heated. Neil why . You look back at history, at shutdowns over time, the market isnt really fazed by neil this was a long one. Usually the deepest down is 1 , and it comes back up 1 . Neil why . They dont care . No, because they know its going to be resolved. You cant operate with the government shut down for years on end, right . Neil but the last 35 days, tell a market person that. I still think the market wouldnt have reacted. There are other factors at play as well. The federal reserve, that was probably the main cause of concern in december. Thats when we dropped to 20 lows but now, the fed, its like a turnaround in rhetoric, saying weve got your back, we will hold on to more treasuries. Neil they are less inclined definitely so. Theres more money flowing through the economy as well. The manufacturing crisis including the tariff war has led the fed to be more aggressive raising rates. The whole problem started with rates going up too early, with them rolling off the debt earlier. That led to 20 decline which was a deal, now that rates are lower. As far as the shutdown specifically, i mean, it was bad for employees, obviously, right away but it only was a few days where it was really starting to hurt the economy, where you were seeing flights not coming in. That was right at the breaking point. Thats why i think it is a shortterm thing where you would start to have an Economic Impact that would affect the stock market. It never got to that level. Thats why investors are still buying. Thats the key. There was no major Economic Impact. The economy and markets are two different things. If it went on for a long period of time, you would have seen the market react to the Economic Impact. Neil in three weeks, if we revisit this, it might happen. True. I think theres a longterm drag from it. Now it will cost a lot to hire employees to work in the government because its a job that has income interruption as part of the job description. I dont think people want to work there. Neil people are working and they are back to work. We work every weekend, as you know. Apparently were not alone. The United Nations is working overtime today. The issue is venezuela. Right now, technically they have two president s, two men claiming that they are leading that country. Mike pompeo is saying only one should be recognized and its not the guy named maduro. Hes about to address reporters. When he does, we are there. All Money Managers might seem the same, but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. Fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. 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I believe this is a politically motivated investigation. There is no circumstance whatsoever under which i will bear false witness against the president , nor will i make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. Neil all right. I think that is roger stones way of saying hell, no, i will not go after being indicted, arrested on friday under the mueller probe. Seven counts that include everything from obstruction of justice to witness tampering, that hes not going anywhere. Former assistant u. S. Attorney Andrew Mccarthy with us now. Andrew, what did you make of his arrest and the way it was done . The only guy who was treated this way in this entire mueller probe. Well, neil, i thought it was overkill. The reason i hesitate is i dont think it was actually the only guy or he was the only guy, stone, that is, who was treated this way. I think manafort, if im remembering right, they raided his home neil youre right about that. So, by the way, Michael Cohen. The arrest and bringing him in to be fingerprinted and all of that stuff, that was an extra courtesy, whatever, allowed for him. I dont know why. What do we make of this . This essentially comes down to lying to congress but obviously theres more to it. What is the significance of his indictment . Well, i think the significance of his indictment is that actually what is not in the indictment, which is hes not charged with conspiring with the closest thing that we have to the collusion narrative and thats wikileaks. What the indictment, this long narrative that leads up to the eventual charges, what it lays out, neil, is that he is scrounging around trying to find out what wikileaks has under the belief which is informed by the fact that wikileaks has already put out these dnc emails, that they must have information thats very damaging to the Hillary Clinton campaign, and he spends a lot of time trying to press sources who have more ties to wikileaks than he does to find out exactly what they have and when they will put it out, but the important thing is hes not involved enough or entangled enough with wikileaks itself, hes not informed enough about their operations, to be in a conspiracy with them and much less are the people in the Trump Campaign who are dealing with stone aware of what wikileaks is doing. And the reason for laying that out in that somewhat laborious way, is this is a very long way from where we started, which was the allegation that the Trump Campaign is in an espionage conspiracy with russia. It turns out that the Trump Campaign, in addition to apparently not having any involvement with russias hacking activities, has no awareness of what wikileaks is doing and that is important because the way neil i just want to get a handle on, the allegations that have been brought up, when we talk about collusion with the russians, most of the ones who have been fingered, including cohen and manafort and stone, most of them have been focused on lying. Youre lying to congress, lying to investigators, thats it. Im wondering if it has veered off course. I dont think it ever had a course, neil. Thats the problem. We talked about this before. I think it was given the fbi took it as a Counter Intelligence investigation and thats the way mueller inherited it. The problem with a Counter Intelligence investigation is unlike a criminal investigation, it doesnt have a crime as a target. Its really just an information gathering exercise. So it never really had a linear course to begin with. The narrative we were given was that it was about the fact that russia had this espionage operation against the campaign or against the election and that the Trump Campaign may have coordinated with it. It appears to me that that was based on that suspicion was primarily based on the steele dossier which has not been verified and what you have at the end as you point out is a bunch of process crimes, people who lied to investigators, who were investigating something that wasnt a crime. Neil all right. Its confusing to me. Thank you very much. Andrew mccarthy. Glad i was able to clear that up. Neil you do, all the time. I appreciate that. We are going to go right now to mike pompeo, secretary of state, who just wrapped up a u. N. Security Council Meeting on whats going on in venezuela. Lets listen. Happy to take a couple questions. Reporter thank you, mr. Secretary. Michel Michelle Nichols from reuters. The ambassador had a direct question for you about the u. S. Taking military action. If you would like to answer that here, feel free. What economic measures does the u. S. Plan to impose on venezuela, and do you think the venezuelan opposition should assume the u. N. Seat here, and does the u. S. Plan to draft a General Assembly resolution to make that happen . I will take two of those three questions. First, this is the first step of what we hope will be Real Progress here at the United Nations. We think every member of the United Nations ought to join in support of the venezuelan people so we will continue to work to get more and more support. We are already a great deal along the way and we do think there will be appropriate resolutions when the time is right and we will certainly support those. They wont come just from us. They will come from other nations who care deeply about the venezuelan people as well. The other two questions involve what the United States will do next. Im not going to speculate or hypothesize. I know only this. We are determined to support the venezuelan people so they can ultimately have the Democratic Institutions they deserve and they can return this once vibrant, wealthy, wonderful nation to its rightful place. Reporter thank you, secretary. So what exactly are you prepared to do for the venezuelan people . You had announced 20 million in humanitarian aid and also today, you said something in your speech, it is time for every nation to pick its fight. Will the u. S. Consider secondary actions against countries who recognize the rogue regime Like Washington did in iran . The administration has already done a great deal for the venezuelan people. We will continue to do that. You mentioned the initial money, 20 million to ensure that food and medicine and we can get some level of order to begin to be restored. There will be much more to do. We will call upon other nations, we will join with them to create development and humanitarian assistance projects that actually deliver for the venezuelan people. Those are all part of what will come when we get the democratic changes that were working towards achieving. You had a second question, too . Reporter about secondary sanctions. Im not going to speculate on what other processes the United States might undertake, but know that we think now that the National Assembly is the rightful governing body that chose interim president juan guaido to represent them. We think the resources that belong to the venezuelan people ought to go to the leaders that they have, under their constitution, duly elected. Reporter will you sanction anybody that will do business with them . Im not going to speculate on what we will do next. Reporter mr. Secretary, pamela faulk from cbs. How concerned are you about the military to military contact between russia and the deliveries of equipment last month to venezuela, and have you had any contact with the military of venezuela . Thank you. I spoke this morning about Cuban Security and russian influence, russian interference. We want the venezuelan people to have their say. So the russians have chosen to support the maduro regime. I hope they will change their way. I hope they will come to see that the rightful people to run this country are those that the venezuelan people chose, so we will have conversations with every country including the russians. We will talk with the chinese. We will talk with everyone. We think the whole world ought to get behind what it is that the venezuelan people have demanded for their country. Thank you. Thank you all. Neil all right. You have been listening to mike pompeo. This debate is still going on within the United Nations Security Council. Venezuela is a mess, total confusion. Im not talking about the economy, ten million plus percent inflation, im not even talking about the three million venezuelans who have already left the country and more expected to leave in the coming year because of everything thats transpired there. You have two men who are competing to lead the country, including Nicholas Maduro, the incumbent, backed by the russians and the chinese, and juan guaido, the interim president , who has been calling for immediate elections. We are standing by, guaido saying hes the duly elected as Opposition Leader man of the people, recognized by the people of venezuela as their duly elected leader. Jacqui heinrich is at the United Nations. One of the things i heard from this debate is the russians [ inaudible ] by our moves here or the fact we might do something militarily to support guaido here. What are you hearing . Reporter so neil, this morning, russia tried to block the talks that the u. S. Requested. They were trying the u. S. Was trying to encourage other countries to support guaido as the interim president. Russia called for something which was a procedural vote. It would require 9 of the 15 members of the Security Council to vote yes in order for the talks to even move forward. They attempted to block this from even happening this morning. Exactly nine Member States voted yes, and the talks did move forward. They are under way right now. The Trump Administration has been pushing for other nations to support and recognize juan guaido as the interim president after president Nicholas Maduro won reelection last may in what the u. N. And eu ruled as a rigged election. Maduro is an autocratic president who has packed the venezuelan Supreme Court with loyalists, suspended elections for provincial governors, consolidated his own power and at one point moved to dissolve the legislature. People have fled the country and there is widespread starvation and riots. Russia attempted fwlto block th call to action the u. S. Requested, calling it an abuse of power. Secretary of state mike pompeo fired back, saying the time to act is right now. We dont have that sound bite for you. We will bring it to you shortly. The United States and some 14 other countries have recognized guaido as the interim president but former president maduro still has support from several countries, russia, china, cuba, syria and iran. Secretary pompeo said it is noteworthy that the countries that are supporting maduro dont uphold the values of democracy within their own borders. This is still continuing this morning. We are following the developments for you. Neil thank you very, very much. With friends like that, who needs enemies. Vanessa newman, where is this going . Well, hopefully to maduro getting on an airplane and getting out of there. I want to be very clear. Guaido is the constitutional president. Hes not he has the law on his side. Hes the constitutional president according to the constitution written by these guys. Maduro neil how is he the constitutional president . Because according to the constitution that chavez drafted, hugo chavez drafted, when the presidency is vacant, then the president of the National Assembly, like speaker of the house, becomes president. The presidency is vacant because the elections of may 20 were not supposed to be in may, elections are in december. Second of all, they didnt abide by any test of free and fair elections. They were not recognized. They were condemned. The National Assembly, which is the legitimate body, says thats not an election. So did the international community. If there was no election, theres no presidency. So neil the military doesnt seem to care. No, of course not. Neil the military guys want maduro. No, of course not, because theyre criminals. Lets be clear. Maduro is the worlds biggest drug cartel. It is the biggest Drug Trafficking organization. It is the biggest transit point for cocaine from colombia into central america, into the u. S. And into europe. It uses military aircraft, okay . And government infrastructure. And the oil Company Appears to be laundering money. Neil is that why mexicos newly inaugurated president is not joining this western hemisphere theres room to speculate on that. I dont want to go that far and make that statement. Neil what do you think happens next . Well, i think what happens next is the military has been offered amnesty. They need to take that seriously and support the constitution and get maduro and his guys on a plane out. Otherwise, they are going to fa face, as their legitimacy erodes they face Drug Trafficking charges, Money Laundering charges and terrorist financing, not just from the u. S. Plenty of countries have been facing the ill effects of the maduro regimes criminal activities. Neil including the rank and file military guys. The generals, thats where theres a split. Exactly. Correct. From the level of Lieutenant Colonel on down, basically they are going home to starving children, hungry, you know, angry wives, dying children from a lack of medication. They are suffering everything venezuelan people are as well, which is why the offer of amnesty is on the table and they should take it. Now, what happens is further on down the line, as more and more people recognize guaido as the legitimate president , the question becomes who owns the government assets, who owns the Government Bank accounts and all of that. Neil chinese or the russians . China, i think thats interesting because china is not going to get in a proxy fight with the u. S. China is going to try and protect its equities. If they think this is going to flip, they are going to try and make a deal. Neil all right. We will watch it closely. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Neil putting it into perspective. A lot more coming up, including the government open for business again here, but for how long . D , we know that theyre always going to take care of us. It was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. Were the tenneys and were usaa members for life. Call usaa to start saving on insurance today. Neil all right. Welcome back, everybody. Im neil cavuto. The government is opened up for business again. Technically its coming in fits and starts, but it is back in business, and the longest shutdown in American History officially ended last night when the president signed an order to get everyone back. Now the question is in this socalled threeweek coolingoff period where they try to come up with a deal, can they avoid another shutdown . We have already heard from a top republican, weve got democrats the democratic chief deputy whip in the house, congressman dan kildee. Good to have you. Thanks for having me back. Neil what is your sense of what happened now . Can they cobble together, both parties, through this Conference Committee, a deal that will avoid yet another shutdown . I think so. I believe in this process. I think its good that were getting to what we would call in washington regular order, using a Conference Committee, democrats and republicans, house and senate, sitting across the table. I think we can work this out. I think theres been a bit of a misunderstanding of our position. We certainly support Border Security. I think the bigger problem that we have is that we cant use the politics or the tool of shutdown any longer in order to get what were not willing to commit to the legislative process. Democrats and republicans have to commit to this. So my hope is that we can send a signal to the country that we can get this together, we can take a step forward. It might not be everything everyone wants, but thats the nature of our system. Neil all right. When you say both sides have to work at this, congressman, i just want to be clear. Are you open to funding for a wall . Well, you can call it what you want. Were open and continue to support effective Border Security, which would include fencing and barriers where appropriate, but also, hopefully, will focus much more attention on those issues that relate to our ports of entry. Neil youre not of the viewpoint that nancy pelosi was and is that a wall is immoral . Or are you . I think a wall from sea to shining sea would be. I dont think we are talking about that. Neil no. The president isnt talking about that. But you would be open for some border funding if it came to that . Sure. We supported that in the past. Yes. Neil so what is your sense about what democrats would offer . We know what the administration wants, 5. 6 billion for a wall or something close to it. Would it be just a lesser figure, a smaller amount of wall space, something coupled with daca, what . I think there are a couple variables. One is how much money. Secondly, for what . And i think that will be the more difficult conversation. How much should be devoted to physical barriers, how much to electronic surveillance, drone technology, drugsniffing technology, and then this other question that you just introduced, which hopefully will become part of the conversation. What other improvements can we make to our Border Security and our immigration system that gets us where we want to go. Hopefully, by submitting this to a really diverse Conference Committee, we are going to be able to deal with all those questions. But again, as i said, i also believe, i had a conversation with the speaker about this yesterday, that we need to take a look at legislation that will essentially deweaponize the use of shutdowns where we have a standoff over a policy question. I hope that we can put legislation sometime in the near future on the floor that will essentially eliminate that tool from the toolbox. Neil do you think the president caved . Well, we are right back where we were 35 days ago. He did not get really anything that he was asking for. I dont know going into these negotiations that we want to overcharacterize where the president stands because we need to have some good will going into these negotiations. But i dont think theres any doubt that as between the position that Speaker Pelosi took and the one that President Trump took, speaker position clearly prevailed. Neil all right. Any word on the state of the union and when that might take place . I dont believe just logistically its going to be possible for it to happen tuesday. Thats not going to be my decision, obviously, but for example, members havent even submitted their guests to be vetted for that process. There are logistical considerations. I do think obviously we can now move forward on a state of the union address, but i will leave it to the president and the speaker to figure out the details. Neil while youre weighing in on that, youre big cheese in the house. Thats what my mom thinks. Neil let me get your sense, im the market guy here at fox, i. E. The nerd, congressman, and i notice that the market throughout the shutdown went up, double digits, it went up. There are a lot of reasons for that, there are other factors, but by and large, to a man and woman, this was a nonevent, this goes on all the time, we shrug our shoulders and move on, do important things, and they didnt deem this to be something to worry about. What did you think of that reaction . Well, i have long been of the view that people here in washington overstate our importance when it comes to how we move markets. There are a few positions in this country, certainly the president and a few others, that by their words can move markets, but i think generally speaking, the market takes a longer view. The blips that we go through can have an impact. I dont know that they are on a daily basis. Obviously we all want to have a strong market so whenever we i was glad to see that. And many in your party, including those who want to run for president. Have been keen on raising taxes for the wealthy. I just want to understand that the house deputy whip, where you stand on this . Well, i dont support the recent tax bill that went through and i think this proportionally benefitted the corporate and wealthy individuals. Neither do i believe we should throw it in reverse to repeal. And there were benefits from the tax bill and i think we need to look at corporate rates. I think theres sharing of the burden. Im not advocating a particular rate and thats the not question. Neil when you say particular rate, 70 espoused by congresswoman cortez and others . I dont think its productive for them to signal where we should end up. Im a member of the ways and means committee, something we need to take up. We need to be careful about this. Neil and all of the people in favor of assets, could be north of 25 to 50 billion dollars, a moving target depending on the candidate, where do you stand on that. I think we need a more Fair Distribution of the responsibilities which will mean some people who are extraordinarily wealthy may have to make a greater contribution. Honestly, i would take a look at where we are on Social Security. This is the most successful social Insurance Program in the history of the world. There is a tax element to that in terms of Social Security tax. If were going to open the door right now on tax policy, i think our first obligation is to take whatever steps are necessary to stabilize the Social Security. Thats going to take a conversation about the revenue side of the question, id prefer to start there. Neil you know, congressman, a lot of rich folks and not so rich folks say why is it always us who have to pay the bill for this when its a smaller and smaller slice of the pie paying for the pie, and that could we widen the tax base out not to tax everybody at the same rate or keep it a progressive system. But its now to the point that half the eligible taxpayers in this country dont pay any federal income taxes at all. Many pay fica and the rest. Is there something wrong with that part of the equation . Well, i think whats wrong, really, is the distribution of wealth in this country. One of the reasons that so many people fall below the level where they pay significant income tax is that they dont have significant income. We have a problem that the tax system is an example of or result of, but i think the fundamental problem is that we have a problem, real serious problem with the way the incredible wealth is generated in this country is apportioned across the population. Neil if you have 2 or 3 of the population paying well over half the taxes, thats a bad mix . Well, i think, when you think about the 2 or 3 of the population that were talking about and how they got to that place, of course, many of them can take great pride in the work that theyve done, but theyve also benefitted from a system that allows them to generate that kind of wealth. So i dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with them paying a much larger share of their wealth or their income. I think it has to be fair. It has to be reasonable and structured so that people who do well are encouraged to continue to innovate. If we hit that sweet spot, i think well have a tax system that works for everyone. Neil do you think the wealthy should get medicare and Social Security . I do. Because i think its a really important social contract that we have that if everybody contributes, everybody should benefit and if we go down the path of breaking that promise, then theres always going to be an argument about where we draw the line and its going to be much more difficult to ask those individuals to make contributions to this, i think, very fundamental part of our economy. Social security and medicare are successful programs because everybodys involved in it. Neil finally, congressman, id like to get your take on shutdowns and weve got a lot of them. This was a record one. Do you think the problem is budgets are never submitted on time, spending measures are never submitted on time, this is by both parties and there ought to be a law against that . I do, i do. In fact, my predecessor in congress who happened to be my uncle introduced legislation long ago that would essentially take away the shutdown tool and basically say that there would be by operation of law an automatic continuing resolution. Much the way, back in 2011, they set this sequestration structure in place, which is done by operation of law. Neil right. I think we could do this. And it may take away some of the incentives for people of both parties, from time to time, to drag their feet in getting the budgets done. My view is, we get this Problem Solved right now, the moment that were in, but then we have to absolutely act to try to prevent this from ever happening again. This is a great country, but its pretty embarrassing across the globe when we have to shut down elements of our government because we have a disagreement. Neil dan killdee nice talking to you. The house deputy whip, a lot of good ideas, common sense ideas. Lets get the read on the shutdown just finished and my next guest hopes we dont revisit it in three weeks. Its Cape May Brewing Company ceo directly affected by the shutdown. Were so focused on the federal workers, and we forget about them and getting brews approved. Explain how youre affected. We have to go through the t it tb. And whats, ttb is the tax bureau, we have to get the approval feel and make sure were not putting out false claims and Health Benefits and that sort of things to protect consumers. Neil i like to think when it comes to beer there are benefits. There are social benefits. Neil go on. We need their approval and normal timeline its two weeks. That and process we build into the release calendar for release of beers. And crucial for breweries is release of new beers. And at cape may, we need label approval. And when they shut down, our calendar and what we worked hard on into a tailspin . Now what, you have the three week workout period i guess theyre calling it, what happens if it happens again . Well release beers weve done in the past and go to a beer festival in boston, and we had a special beer we made for the festival and we had to use a name we had registered a generic name called beer name, thats the name, its a unique beer that we spent a year working on. Neil thats pretty good. What do you think then, i dont care what it is, democrat or republican, conservative or liberal, it is silly, isnt it . Its a shame, a lot of unintended consequences and great people that are affected. Neil did you have to lay off anyone . No, we have 80 employees and proud of them, living wages and full benefits. We think it a its a great place to work and were prepared and contingency planned, but 7,000 other breweries in the u. S. Direct had i affected by this. If it continues, its a scary thing for some people and could affect jobs. Neil are you making contingency plans in case in three weeks, they dont come to a deal . Absolutely. Were several months in advance of what were trying to do. We have to order cans directed by the aluminum and were hit by all of these facts. Neil amazing. We dont think about that, and Cape May Brewing Company, the big cheese there. Well follow that and also follow whats going on with roger stone. If he looked worried about getting cut up in this mueller mess and facing potentially the rest of his life behind bars, i dont know if you saw him yesterday at the florida courthouse, with the nixon, you know, arms in the air kind of thing, even had the nixon tatoo. He didnt seem panicked. Ill get the read from the former counsel after this. Carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee . Like schwab does. Guarantee . Carl, can you remind me what youve invested my money in. Its complicated. Are you asking enough questions about how your wealth is being managed . If not, talk to schwab. 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He was released on a quarter Million Dollar bail yesterday and showing the world hes in a fighting mood. I will not bend. I will not bear false witness against the president. I intent to fight because this indictment is fabricated. This indictment is thin as can be. The president reacting this morning with a new tweet, deflecting attention from his longtime friend saying if roger stone was indicted for lying to congress, what about the lying done by comey, brennan, clapper, lisa page and baker and so many others . What about hillary to fbi and 30,000 deleted emails . What about lisa peters deleted texts and weiners lab top and much more . And the white house echoing the message theres nothing nothing. Im not an attorney, i havent read the document. I know this has nothing to do with the president , nothing to do with the white house. But the speaker of the house is sticking to the old addage, you can tell a lot about people by their friends. The kind of people that the president of the United States has surrounded himself with. This connection to the indid he go integrity of the elections we have to get the truth about. And charges that hes lied to congress and obstruction, and the special counsel has indicted or guilty pleas from 34 people including the president s former attorney, National Security advisor and campaign chairman, neil. Neil thank you, nice reporting there. What does it mean in the ongoing probe that never seems to end . Former white house independent counsel robert wray. Good morning. Neil straightening out messes like this. What did you think of the stone arrest and the way it was handled, Everything Else . Well, roger stone is unrepentent, i guess thats the safest word to use. Neil all, but telegraphs is. Always an argument that the fbi is heavy handed in doing an Early Morning arrest for someone willing to surrender. But in charges of obstruction of justice, a concern about potentially further impeding the investigation or further destroying evidence and that would obviously give them cause, the fbi cause to do a search warrant in the morning, incident to arrest, which would be something obviously inconsistent with a voluntary surrender. So, thats why what was done was done. Theres no escaping the fact, i dont want to give excuses for violating the law and making false statements under oath, lying to congress, obstruction of justice and again these are process crimes. While theres obviously a concern about what it is he was lying about, the argument from the democrats that, well, these are all the friends that the president associates himself with is a little akin to saying that being merely present when a crime is committed means youre complicit in the crime and as everyone knows, every prosecutor knows, thats not the law. Neil so he indicated both yesterday and outside the courthouse and with tucker carlson, hes not one to blab or snitch on the president nor does he feels he should because he doesnt think that the president did anything wrong. Few people have the fortitude to stand up to the full weight and authority of the United States government and go to trial, but i think hes probably reached an age where he doesnt really care. He probably or does he think hes going to be pardoned . Well, thats obviously something that any of these individuals caught up in this have thought about. Neil did you deal with that when you sure. Neil when you were investigating the clintons, did you worry about that . I knew at the end of the rainbow for some people there would be the prospect of a pardon and indeed it did happen. I was part of two independent counsel investigations with are they got sprinkled over both investigations, but some people who thought they could count on them didnt receive them. Web hubble thought he would be pardoned and he wasnt pardoned. You dont go to the bank saying to yourself im a defendant and ill go to trial, even if i lose, the president will pardon me in the end. You never know what happens in politics, its a political judgment and depend when the pardon comes up whether someone would be surrendering to jail. Ask scooter libby. All of these people who think dont worry im going to be taken care of on the back end. Neil and that led to a rift between the vicepresident at the time dick cheney and and these were repercussion. Neil does that explain Paul Manafort not turning on the president , and Michael Cohen turning on the president. If you were a lawyer you would certainly be providing proper legal advice to a client, dont count on it. Neil i dont know what is provable collusion. The individuals indicted or already heading off to prison, more have to do with lying or lying to investigators, lying to the fbi, lying to congress. Right. Neil lying about business dealings and the rest. Thats where these investigations start. The question is do they ultimately heed to what it was they were lying about and is what they were lying about provebly a crime. Neil or ask collusion specifically with the russians or what is from that . I think we should be cautious about that. It seems to me that you know, what this indictment doesnt say, it doesnt say that theres proof that anybody within the campaign knew that the russians were behind this before the acts of, for example, illegally obtaining email from the dnc or from the there were over 100 types of kinds of contacts leading up to the inauguration, robert. Well, contact, thats not enough. Thats part of the way in which you get at the truth, but youd have to be able to prove that the people who were involved and who were the actors in this on the campaign side of things were actively involved and knew that what wikileaks was doing and in turn shall the russians were doing was actively illegal and that they were nonetheless participating and aiding them. Neil the question, is sharing the wikileaks material with either a russian operative or passing it along to a trump operative a crime. I dont think on its own is enough. It may be unseemly and weve seen enough to know unseemly and unsavory when we see it, but i think that bob mueller was appropriately cautious enough in the language of the roger stone indictment not to suggest those activities on their own would constitute illegality. Whether he has it or not, we dont know, but im just saying based on the face of the document. What you dont see lurking behind that is an allegation that that underlying activity was criminal. Neil all right. Youve mentioned bob mueller rarely talks to the press or leaks information out, but for his office to get involved in this buzzfeed story and rumor that the president had directed Michael Cohen to lie to congress, well, his staff did not say, specifically was a lie. They said generally the story was wrong, that would seem like the charge itself was wrong. What did you get from that . It was an extraordinary moment and its a different time that we are living in. I think bob muellers office probably appropriately reacted to complaints from the president s legal team, including rudy guiliani, that this was unfair and untrue. And i think, you know, given how the rest of the press got carried away with that story, aha, a gotcha moment and we now have the president , the office took it, took action. Neil and comments in the middle after press report, you felt were so wrong, you had to Say Something . I did, maybe not quite as serious as that. There were occasions along the way leaks to the media you say to yourself hate, wait a second. Neil did you make a Public Comment on that, or your staff. I had to. There was a situation in which it was actually leaked by a judge on the special division about the fact that there was a grand jury investigation pending against the president , a politically sensitive time when al gore acceptance speech for the democratic domination and i ended up unavoidably forced to come forward and comment on something i would not have otherwise done, i had to comment to the fact that the leak did not come from our office. Its difficult to do and not something that prosecutors ordinarily do, but were living in new times and now the Media Attention is heightened. Some stories you can let go and this i couldnt. And thats when the office of special counsel decided they need to correct. Neil walter ray, former whitewater counsel. And the president wants the border wall and some democrats are not inclined to go along with that. But the mainstream medias push that he caved or blinked, some kind according to a wellknown historian that can work in their favor. Doris kearnes goodwin after this. Our goals and needs. Some only call when they have something to sell. Fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. And while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. Fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other Money Managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. We live like no ones watching, laugh like theres no tomorrow. And welcome you. To do the same. The United States virgin islands. The company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100 online. 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And not a dime for the border wall that he desperately wanted so they more or less are pouncing at the nation he failed. Our Political Panel with us, attorney jenna ellis, fox news contributor, and kat, he failed is what theyre saying, he caved. Did he . He sort of caved. I think if theres a middle ground between caving and not caving, hes right there because we are right back where we started. He didnt get anything he wanted and the government is open in that sense it is a cave, but at the same time he has options. I wouldnt be surprised to see that he shuts down the government again after the few weeks are over or trying to go the emergency route and tries to do that instead, so he would have done that prior, right . Its interesting that he didnt. Im actually surprised he didnt, but i think that some of the pushback that shes seen from people that have influence over him, such as funny enough, ann coulter seems to have influence over him and and she said after george h. W. Bush has long been the biggest wimp to serve the country and now essentially its donald trump. Shes very, very upset. Very upset. And another tweet and ann said maybe the issue isnt the deporting illegals and one Jared Kushner and a lot of the president s supporters for the border wall first and foremost have been pinning this on Jared Kushner and ivanka in this space and saying, these the advocate for amnesty here and how we got backed into the corner and if he goes for the shutdown. Neil hes not going to do it. Its politically impossible for him to do that if he wants any chance of being elected. And the caucus would be up in arms. The meeting with Mitch Mcconnell and mike pence, where mitt romney and others were shouting things. Why did you do this to us and mcconnell says i didnt want to. They said youre the leader, youve got to sort this out. We need to look at the Bigger Picture overall here, this is about President Trump saying, okay, i understand that now the house is in control of the democrats, and looking the a genuinely serving conservatives and the American People and so three key words yesterday were country over party. And he is reaching out and saying, okay, i am willing to be the adult to come to the table to talk about this, because this isnt just he was the adult to start. This was not just about Border Security, this is also about religious liberty, this is about sanctity of human life, about all conservative priorities, as we look to 2020 we need to realize conservative priorities are preserving and protecting the rights of all americans. Neil and do you think that shutting down the government and i think he will and i think he was very clear that hes still looking at the National Emergency act. We have precedent for that from reagan, from bush as well. Neil article 4, section 4. Absolutely. Neil weve learned about. There you go. Neil and you know whats interesting, nell theyll avoid this, i could be very wrong, but its how the die is cast for the next couple of years, nothing is going to get done. No, i dont think theres going to be a wall, a lot of his supporters will be very, very upset. A lot of people really want this wall. Ann coulter and friends really want this wall, but the democrats are not going to budge. , but the president has budged on the notion of a wall, first of all, 2,000 miles, no. Does it have to be cement. No, it could be steel slats. From your interview with steny hoyer. He didnt think the wall was immoral like nancy pelosi. And that was this year, it feels like, couldnt be physical barriers and some are looking at a proposal for Smart Technology that has people and drones and not physical barrier. Neil theyre more in agreement than these issues. They are. Neil its like professional wrestling. Everyone has a scripted part and throwing chairs, a then theyre highfiving. We have to stop with the two parties warring at each other. Thats not congress. Weve agreed in the past that Border Security and a case for nations is genuinely congress is the know only constitutionally responsible for, but morally. Neil and people call it the wall, cottage cheese. Curtains. , but we have to also, important to what youre saying earlier here, take the role that the f. A. A. Played in all of this and thats what robert rice turned it, if the airports are shut down and i traveled all last week and the tsa agents were incredibly kind and appreciative of that. Neil did you travel commercial . I did. But he took away my military plane so i had no option. Neil thought so. But when laguardia shut down for an hour. Neil i think that tipped it. And the exlabor secretary was advocating for it on twitter. He says it will go down with the airports. You must call out sick to end this and its what happened. So if he tries this again, they will do the same thing, the government youre crediting robert rice and his twitter feed for ending this. A lot people retweeted him. Theres an extension for three weeks and thats a very, very important piece here. Neil ladies, thank you all very, very much. The bottom line, the president has been humbled. Not the first president to be humbled, not the first president to have to step back and see if he can make lemonade out of lemons. These two gentlemen, john f. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan did. What happened after they did. Doris kearnes goodwin after this. More than half of employees across the country bring Financial Stress to work. If youre stressed out financially at home, youre going to be too worried to be able to do a good job. I want to be able to offer all of the benefits that keep them satisfied. It is the people that is really the only asset that you have. Put your employees on a path to Financial Wellness with prudential. Bring your challenges. Well, if its deemed that the president caved and the democrats got the better of the deal. A reminder from president ial historian Doris Kearnes goodwin, theres a way to come out of this and make both sides look good. Some of our president s in the crisis have paid careful attention even in victory they didnt make the other sides look like loser. She joins us with her multiple best seller book is still on this list, leadership in turbulent times. Thank you, neil. Neil what did you think of the way this went down. Clearly shall the question is now what goes forward. Everyone had their say and this could have happened 35 days ago, the big thing you lose is time. It hurts for the federal employees. Its time for your agenda, the state of the union, time for moving op infrastructure and final is something that you can never get back. I think thats the biggest loss in this thing for the white house. Neil im reminded of the president s who have scored big victories that even come through defeat, but cognizant of the fact that whatever they wanted they wanted to make sure they looked like the other side got something, too. Could you give me examples of that. Saving face is such an important thing. I mean, think about Ronald Reagan early on going strong against Social Security and it was a mistake because the public approval was too great for the big changes he wanted to make. So he sits down with tip oneill. Why can we not have that in this day and age and they come up with a commission, Alan Greenspan is the head of the commission and come up with changes to Social Security, the cost of living. And they increased the retirement age and both agreed on it, it was bipartisan and Ronald Reagan stood up and said this is the nations iron clad guarantee to Social Security. And at this point oneill, what a great day for the nation. Thats when you see the art of compromise. Neil and john f. Kennedy with the cuban missile crisis to resolve that even though it was a big victory for him to get khrunichev to back down. He didnt want to rub the russians, the soviets at the time in the dirt. What did he do . He did two things, in his public declaration even as the soviet union was saying were taking the missiles out, he said we will not invade cuba. That was the worry that the cubans m and a secret declaration that khrunichev could tell people about, that he was going to remove our missiles from turkey almost as if he was doing something to save chew khrunichev, and reached such a paint of scariness scarines scariness, that it worked and save face. Thats what Teddy Roosevelt did, he was winning the coal strike, six months of people without hospitaand there not be a commission without a labor person on it. They wanted a business guy and a judge and the strike was going on and on and Teddy Roosevelt, okay you dont want a labor person labeled as a labor person and what if we call him a socialologist and put a labor person in there and they said, yeah, thats fine. And it was ridiculous we could have gone on a strike for months and instead we called tweedled tweedledee tweedledum, and both sides can save face. Neil and i would call it cottage cheese. And there was a disagreement between the democrats. Steny hoyer, he didnt find the concept of the wall immoral or a problem with the president giving his speech. You can argue whether hes right or nancy pelosi was right there was more common ground. Ive said it before, doris, i get a feeling today, Politics Today is like professional wrestling. They all have their roles. And im in washington, and theyre laughing, back slapping, and see me with the cameras and its im going to and needless. And when theyre facetoface talking with each other, what can we do to increase Border Security that both sides will agree on. Its much more likely than when weve got their sides in the boxing match and talking to the cameras. I suspect something will come up. I certainly hope it doesnt end up being a declaration of National Emergency, thats a real power that a president has and it has to be used wisely and in limited form. If it becomes a tool when theres a policy disagreement, then the next side is going to use it in the next time. And i wonder with this president will hes exhausted and you lose that, you dont get it back. No, and in fact, fdr declared a National Emergency in 1941 in the spring. Because he argued that our security was dependent on what was happening in europe Many Americans were isolationists and only england standing alone against the nazis, and he said we have to do something about it, increased the army and november and factories to push war production ahead of cars and a big thing. He prepared to speech for five days and he spoke for 44 minutes over the radio, and he changed public opinion. He educated the country as to why our security did depend on what was happening with hitler and the polls changed. He got the mobilization going and it was critical because we had those seven, eight, months before pearl harbor to get ready before we actually got in had the war. So if the president is going to declare a National Emergency, it cant just be thrown together. It has to be a major speech. Thats what hes going to have to do. Neil all right. Doris, all fun having you. Good luck to your patriots even though they cheat every single year. Oh, no im im proud that boston is now hated by the country for the red sox and patriots. We are what the yankees used to be. Neil oh, that was a long time ago. All right, Doris Kearnes goodwin, thank you very, very much. Just kidding about the patriots. Very well. Neil well see. The new Orleans Saints theyre furious theyre not in the super bowl so theyre suing and their lawyer is here because they think theyve gotten the shaft. Now, what will come of that suit . Well ask them. I used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was always a catch. Like somehow you wind up getting less. But now that i book at hilton. Com, and i get all these great perks. I got to select my room from the floor plan. Very nice. I know, im good at picking stuff. Free wifi. Laptop by the pool is a bold choice. And the price match guarantee. How do you know all of this . Are you like some magical hilton fairy . Its just here on the hilton app. Just available to the public, so. Book at hilton. Com and get the hilton price match guarantee. If you find a lower rate, we match it and give you 25 off that stay. Well, its hard to let go. The new Orleans Saints fans are suing the nfl over the controversial nocall last weekends nfc championship match. They said without that, they would have been in the super bowl. But theyre not. That could change as this next guy has his way. Dont know its likely to happen. The lawyer behind the case, frank. Good to have you. Thank you for having me. Neil explain what this suit is about. Youre suing the nfl over a botched call and asking what . Well, its a little more than that. Were suing the nfl on whats called a rit of mandamus. In louisiana there are two kinds of rit of mandamus, one against a public official to follow the rules of public office. The other is against corporations to enforce the rules of the corporation. And in this case, its the bylaws of the nfl, which constitute the rules of the game. Neil all right. And what kind of damage relief would you seek . Well, this isnt a suit for money damages. Neil i understand that, but, corrected and make it right. What would you be pushing to make it right . Yeah, rule 17 gives the commissioner plenary powers. He can do whatever he deems necessary to remedy the situation. First what he has to do. He has to ask two questions, is this the kind of thing thats so extraordinary or unfair that it impacted the outcome of the game . Once he makes that determination, rule 17 says, he must conduct hearings, he must review videos. He must make all of this available, and he must do whatever is necessary to remedy the situation. In this situation, the commissioners doing nothing. Crickets. Hes avoiding the media. Hes not answering why he isnt using his powers under rule 17 to correct this obvious travesty. Neil all right. Now there has been a push to sort of replay the last 90 minutes not 90 seconds, two minutes. Game where this came into play. How do you feel about that . Well, rule specifically says, the commissioner has the authority to reverse the outcome of the game, order the game be replayed in its entirety or go back in time to the spot of the foul, enforce the penalty, put 1 41 seconds back on the clock, and play the game first and goal with the saints having the ball and the rams having one timeout. Neil none of thats going to happen. Well, you say its not going to happen thats because the commissioner isnt taking action. This lawsuit is going to require the commissioner to follow the rule. We cannot tell the commissioner what remedy to employ. Thats certainly one spelled out in the rule and he could do so if he deems necessary. But if he doesnt do it. Neil if every game was replayed in part or whole because of a botched call, there are many and youre quite right to point out that this is a botched call. Wed be revisiting countless games, right . Yeah, ive heard that argument before and it rings hollow. Were not asking the commissioner to review every botched call. The rule is very clear, was the rule so extraordinary was the call so extraordinary or unfair. Why did the referees deliberately not to make the call. And he was going to throw the flag and the side judge says, no. They look to the referee and crew chief for guidance and he says no. The question is, why . Its so obvious and so blatant, and cassidy said before the senate, this is the most blatant and consequential nocall in nfl history. Its cast a cloud over the nfl, which questions the integrity and the fairness of the game. And the commissioner is silent. His silence speaks volumes and it only adds to the suspicion. Neil all right. Well watch what happens. Keep us posted, frank. Very much. The attorney suing the nfl. We did put a call out to the nfl. I dont believe that we heard back. Right . Okay. We will have more after this. Im a veteran and the army taught me a lot about commitment. Which i apply to my life and my work. At comcast were commited to delivering the best experience possible, by being on time everytime. And if we are ever late, well give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. My name is antonio and im a technician at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. And the army taught me a lot about commitment. Which i apply to my life and my work. At comcast were commited to delivering the best experience possible, by being on time everytime. And if we are ever late, well give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. My name is antonio and im a technician at comcast. Were working to make things simple, easy and awesome. All right, welcome back, im neil cavuto. Are you completely honest with your significant other . Turns out, this is according to credit card. Com did a Financial Survey of folks and found out that one in five, 29 million americans are hiding a bank account and or credit card account or Something Else from their significant other, which is called being deceiving with the other person. Ive got susan lee back here. Jonas max ferris and lindsey. I was startled, thats a big number. I wouldnt be upset that he had a separate account or credit card, but concerned what theyre using that money for, where is that going . Thats right. Thats concern to me, is it premeditated . Yes. I would be more concerned about debt than what actual assets. Neil susan, would you feel better if was illegal and you didnt know if the police game . What was he hiding. Oh, stop it. And we have a life together. All right, lindsey, what do you make of this . If i found my husband had some secret credit cards id be more upset than secret bank account or Checking Account assets. Because debt to me is no good, its bad, its negative and its a big secret. Again, what are they spending on and whats the purpose of this. Neil when its pretty clever, the bills are going to the post office or and thats a layer upon layer of deceit, too. And its all about the deceit, too. I dont know, i think the survey said that most people wouldnt divorce their spouse if they had one of these secret accounts, but i dont know. A lot of debt, it just drives me crazy. Neil but if you establish a pattern of deceit on any level, its deceit, right . It could lead to other things. I agree and thats the thing. I mean, money is hard enough to talk about with your spouse anyway. Right. Because you dont want them thinking youre judging them, its a tough topic. Neil this is more common in twoearner couples, which makes sense. But there was a time when joint accounts and Everything Else, but thats gone. Yes, thats right. So, we just, we were talking to jessica whos parents always had a joint account. In 2019, as a woman were taught to have a separate account. Joint account to pay out rent and expenses and you should independently manage your own money as well. Neil did jessica say her parents now changed that policy . We dont know. Back in the day thats how its done. Neil im sure that theyve got a washington rally protest on it, Something Like that, kidding, kidding, kidding. It does Say Something in this day and age that its rampant. I dont want to rip the survey apart. Theyre including spouses and just liveins. Okay, not oh, no. You sound defensive. Theres a difference if youre not telling your spouse about an account and telling your girlfriend who is living with you. That seems relatively normal. Youre sharing space, and sharing sharing space and sharing your assets are different things. Youd be married, right . And look, theres also the issue of youre saying that marry and would the number when youre coming home today, whats that . And theres a i would say spouses who dont work should actually have a run away fund is what some people call it you dont want to feel trapped necessarily in a bad situation where you dont have money for a few months, its not necessarily. I mean, youre having a hedge account for a divorce. A lot of marriages end in divorce and if their house burns down. Neil well, yours is looking pretty shaky now. Put a ring on it, max. Neil all right. Guys. Thank you very, very much. Poor jonas gets home today. Its going to be a long day. That will do it for us. Were keeping track of the ongoing government opening up after the shutdown and what happens, three weeks to decide this and three weeks goes by fast right around valentines day and well, forget about who is paying for what, right . Go ahead, ask it a question. Tecky, can you offer low costs and awardwinning full service with a satisfaction guarantee, like schwab . Sorry. Tecky cant do that. Schwabbb calling schwab. 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