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>> tucker: it never is. if you want to to make population radical and distrustful and conspiracy minded if you want to destroy the bonds that hold people to go this is exactly what you would do. i appreciate your coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: so here's an interesting story. for two years we have talked about the numbers. what are the numbers? it turns out we don't really know what the numbers are because there's too much lying. this was obtained in december 2020 email chain between cdc officials, the deputy chief of staff. at the time. email top officials to ask why covid was listed as a cause of death for nearly 30,000 cases of sepsis. n784 hiv cases, many drug overdoses. somebody struck by lightning. those didn't seem like covid deaths to him, but the officials defended the policy of marking the deaths as covid deaths even though they didn't make sense. bob anderson, head of the cdc's mortality statistics branch said

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