to that i assume is what you are saying is if zelenskyy and the ukrainian government said in order to stop the bloodshed in order to stop the bombing of the cities will come to some deal with putin. otherwise we want the russians out. it seems to make a putin occupies part of ukraine at the end of us, that is something of a victory for him. >> again, paul, i think is going to be hard for russian forces other than probably the area there's a little more of a pro- russia population pretty think of a hard time based on what you seen so far occupation ukrainian character the baby something on the table ukrainians are willing to live with when it comes to some kind of neutral status where they don't become members of nato. but they have to be willing to live with that. spin it all right seth a johnson thanks so much appreciate the insight. as we come back resin by defense's decision not to send polish fighter jets to ukraine.
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