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border issues are going to continue. >> laura: ron, yet today, we had montgomery county, maryland, starting to back away a little bit from their sanctuary policies, and yet, tucson had a ballot initiative to have sanctuary policies, in the city of tucson, arizona, come a big election coming up next year, mcsally versus -- we see what is happening on the southern border, and we have a choice next year. how do we see this playing out? >> i urge the folks in tucson to consider the ballot initiative. having sanctuaries to protect people in the country illegally and then go on and commit other crimes is a mistake. >> laura: we just got news, breaking news, it failed in tucson. there is some hope. but we are seeing how it is playing out, right at the doorstep of the nation's capit capital. >> people who live on the border, tucson is close enough, people who live along the

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