produced. now recently there are some rulings against president trump, including a ruling involving don mcgann. mr. chairman, i testified in front of you a few months ago. if you recall, we had an exchange, and i encouraged you to bring those actions. i said that i thought you would win. and you did. and i think it was an important win for this committee. because i do not agree with president trump's argument in that case. but that is an example of what can happen if you actually subpoena witnesses and go to court. then you have an obstruction case. because the court issues an order. and unless they stay that order by a higher court, you have obstruction. but i can't emphasize this enough. i will say it just one more time. if you impeach a president, if you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the
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