happened. it's kind of hard to explain to a u.s. audience, but in ukraine and in the former soviet union more broadly, including in russia, the justice system -- whether it's cops on the beat, whether it's investigators, whether it's prosecutors, whether it's judges -- are used as a tool of the political system to be used against your political adversaries. i think, going back to your question about burisma and zlochevsky, my understanding -- this was, as i told you earlier, in the previous deposition, this did not loom large when i arrived. i arrived in 2016, august 2016. but over time my understanding was that the case was basically sort of on a pause.