and it's good to have rest. that doesn't mean you should be resting all the time or not putting effort into things that you care about. but i think one of those. >> jesse: what do you think is a good work day? how many hours is, you know, a solid work day in your ideal society? >> sure, i mean, i think as much as people want. i personally work. i have like a 20, 25 hour workweek which i think is fairly good. so i would like less work hours. >> what do you do, doreen? >> i'm a dog walker. >> jesse: a dog walker. >> yeah. so. >> jesse: how old are you, if you don't mind me asking? >> sure, i'm 30. >> jesse: you are 30, okay. is there something you want to do besides being a dog walker? do you aspire anything more than dog-walking or is that your pinnacle? >> i love working with dogs. if i had to do this the rest of my life, i wouldn't be super complaining, dogs are wonderful animals but i would love to