as able, as successful as president trump. and he's -- he's having a difficult time keeping his footing right now. it seems to be like a disconnect about who's going to be electable when they have to think about who this -- whoever the nominee is, who they're going to end up facing in the general election. what is it that could be going on in their mind that makes them think that joe biden could have an impact on or compete with president trump? >> well, i think they thought he would appeal to those blue collar workers that president trump appeals to so well.ke but as we just heard in that sound bite, it sounds like he's already throwing them under the bus. so joe biden is trying to walk this fine line of being this moderate voice that maybe the democratic establishment will support, blue collar workers will support and the far left woke people will support. but obviously, because obama's staffers or people who supported obama are going for elizabeth warren, he's not getting those people either.