with ukraine in terms of cooperation on criminal matters talk about trump the disruptor and election interference but yet he always listens to you with ukraine we know happened. and you would tell him what you felt but that's the person i'm by the way, when did we start going about foreign countries interfering in our known for over 25 years, elections? do you think the president's misunderstood? the same interference detailedry >> i do think he's misunderstood. i can tell you from the by political, january 11th, first day to the last day that i worked for the president, he 2017, detailed how a real dnc always listened, he was always conscious of hearing other voices, allowing people to debate out the issues and then he made his decision. operative working with ukrainian embassy trying to dig up dirt to he is a disruptor and this is smear donald trump and his the time in our country where we associates come up altering the needed a disrupter but there wasn't a time where i called him clinton campaign. by the way, that was a court and said, look, i think we that actually happened. decision on ukraine that should look at this another way actually upheld that story as well. where he didn't say, well, how the real collusion, just like the real clinton bought and paid do you see that playing out and for russian dossier, the real we had a great discussion over it. i still consider him a friend today and i will tell you that that is what has been so hard. russian interference, and now we see ukraine interference to help they've been trying to impeach him since the second he was hillary. for good measure,uk inaugurated and i think that if president trump is planning now to release the transcript of you look at the results of what another call with ukraine, whicu this president has done, you are i think is a great idea and seeing record unemployment, you
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