12 p.m. eastern. brian: perry went to the inauguration zelensky. we haven't heard much from him since. >> he was fired up. rick perry told me in his first real comments on this, look, i don't know what ambassador sondland is talking about. i never heard the word burisma come up either from rudy giuliani or the president. i was in general, he was there for in ukraine as you say. he said there was no there there and so he pushed back hard. now democrats are going to say he should come in under oath. you should say that the white house doesn't believe that this is a serious, fair investigation. so they are not sending the cabinet secretaries up there. a big picture. rick perry was so forceful in saying this president will not be removed from office. why is this modern? rick perry ran against the president in 2016. in 2015 i reminded him that he had said that donald trump was a cancer on conservatism. he said, ed, rereminds me of this all the time. this president never let's me forget that i have seen him upclose. he has done great things for