still trying to get out, that it could collapse into just total chaos. mentioning isis-k and other groups that now are flexing their muscles, taking on the taliban, and it will be a mess. do you agree with that? >> oh, i do. in 1981, interestingly, i was in the soviet union for a brief visit, and i saw afghan soldiers coming and going back to afghanistan. clearly, that nation lost because it's the wasteland of empires. what we saw, clearly, with what's likely to happen now having given a shot of adrenaline to the taliban is that we're going to see the resurgence of al-qaeda, isis k and a variety of other terrorist organizations much like we see in somalia, other places say in western africa with groups in nigeria and so forth. so this is not like it was 20
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