>> look, i think you nailed it. i do believe that the way we work and how much we work and how we work has been changed probably forever in terms of this virus. my goodness i used to see you every other week. i haven't seen you in person in 16 or 17 months. you don't have the interpersonal reaction. i did see sandra this week, though. great to see her. >> bill: my big point it's a psychological analysis. we need somebody like krauthammer to explain it to us. one point i want to make. joe manchin, "wall street journal" midday yesterday. why i won't support spending another $3.5 trillion. it is a big deal. something we'll talk about well into september. gentlemen, i'm out of time. thank you for yours. >> i loved that piece, go joe, go, fight the 3 1/2 trillion. >> bill: thanks, guys. >> sandra: crews making some progress as they battle a