always rightly concerned about the long history of corruption in ukraine and the president was also concerned about this idea that european countries aren't doing as much as the united states is doing to help ukraine deal with the challenges they face. so those are the two key things. like i said before, when you look at special envoy ambassador volker what he said in his interview and opening statements that have been released from the other we interviewed it's clear. no quid pro quo as mulvaney said. no linkage between security assistance dollars for ukraine and any type of investigation. >> jon: you said the american people will see through this impeachment inquiry. when you look at the headlines in the major papers they're constantly screaming about impeachment and so forth. do you really think that the folks back home are going to reject the idea that impeachment is warranted here? >> i do. i was back home in ohio on friday speaking to a group of