this is an incredible amount of crime that l.a. is dealing with. you've got major economic repercussions of that, people are choosing to not just flee l.a. but the state because of what is happening there, so john, a lot of answering to this spike in crime. >> john: and reflecting back on the segment with howard safer as well, it's clear if you engage in comprehensive policing strategies, that crime, even in a crime-ridden big city like new york, which back in the late 1980s and 1990s was a place where you had a lot of areas of the city you didn't want to go, and we saw overall crime go down nearly 50%, murders down nearly 70%, it is possible to do it if you approach it correctly. flip side of that coin, if you don't approach it correctly, the city goes to hell in a handbag. >> sandra: villanueva saying the two numbers he looked at, the homicide rate jumping and also grand theft auto, increased 59%,
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