a new criminal code that includes banning sex outside marriage. just how serious is the countries more conservative turn? ah, i melissa chant, thanks for joining us. china appears to be easing it's often onerous. covered locked downs and regulations. citizens have been enduring. leadership team's 0 coven goal for nearly 3 years. he had maintained that policy in part to solidify his political power. chinese have been heavily surveilled with apps determining where they can go and what they can do, stretching many people to their limits. ah, used to being consigned to the home for 7 days straight. the desperation became too great to bear. in this heroine video, shanghai residents, a heard screaming from windows during a snap block down in april, going out for a bull or even to buy food, not an option. b, since the start of the pandemic, the government and beijing has enforced snap block downs and mass testing with a message that the virus is too dangerous to act. otherwise, that message was received. the fear of the virus has deep roots and china. why you do go what if the wider have found more decently turn food that may have some effect on the human body shop. but 3 years of bowing to the government sera cove, its strategy have left people exhausted. and when a deadly fire in an apartment building was linked to anti cove, it measures fear of the virus turned to fury. within days, protest is took to the streets of cities across china. some of them openly calling on the government to resign. oh, unprecedented scenes and she didn't pings china and they were followed by actual change for the people. as of this week, people in beijing no longer need a negative test result into supermarkets and offices and commuters, and major cities. and now using public transport without testing, the government has been keen to stress it simply optimizing existing policies. use the answers, we have been adjusting while and improving our coven 19 protocols in light of the development of a situation shooter whom god to do in the capital and elsewhere. citizens have been enjoying the new freedoms and some expressed hope that stringent locked downs are a thing of the past. but with infection numbers that record highs and china officially still pursuing 0 cove at strategy. that freedom could be temporary. the current challenge for china's leadership is to convey a complicated message that it's listening to the grievances of the people, but has the authority to lock them down where and when they deem necessary. funding us as journalist fabi in questionnaire in bay gene fabi. an after more than 2 years of propaganda about covert about how 0 cove it is absolutely necessary as a matter of nationalism. is it going to be possible for the government to pivot and just say well now ko, it's not that bad and we all just have to live with it. well, it will cost a lot of credibility. i mean, the change and propaganda tone is really remarkable until very recently, the dangers of cobra were, in my opinion, highly exaggerated. he and the reporting in china. now what is happening is rather the opposite. the danger of covetous even downplayed. i mean now the party newspaper, they quote, a lot of residents saying that they are not afraid of covenant that it's not dangerous, et cetera. that's a complete change in tone. another example m, yeah, there were, there were, was really a lot of reporting about the dangers of long cove it and how it is really a white spread in the west. and now suddenly the state media says, okay, long covert, that's scientifically not proven. and we're not sure it even exists. so of course they are very, very clear contradictions and if it costs a lot of credibility or of the estate media. but i mean, if it drew my time here in china, i've seen a lot of those remarkable changes in propaganda. and i think the biggest goal of the propaganda apparatus right now is to distract from the fact that, you know, seizing pinks, co op or policy 0 covered the cobra policy has basically a failed. and so now i think that's the biggest goal and they are not really good options in explaining it to the a population, why they're changing it. so i think there they go for whatever they can. now have course is a big country with over a 1000000000 people. so, and it's no surprise there's variation in terms of how some of this is getting changed. but what is your sense of the national mood, or is it possible to sum up the national mood? are people feeling confused? i did a trust in government last well, i think the bigger picture, in my opinion, is that, yeah, actually there is a lot of opening up going on in many cities at the right at the same time. right now, this easing off restrictions, i will give you the example from paging because speaching as a capital and also as the center for political power was always very strict when it came to implementing covered woods. now here in the city, i know several cases where it's allowed to when you infect, that you can cure your symptoms out at home. you can isolate at home, you don't need to be transferred to a current teen center. that is really remarkable. also the city why testing the mentor testing was suspended. you don't need to show your, you know, negative test results when you enter a supermarket. any more am i mean those changes are really quite unbelievable. if you look back just 2 weeks ago we, we wouldn't think this is possible. and in many other cities it's the same. so of course, and this, you know, opening up is not even across the whole nation, but there is a sense of yet. now things are happening and people do feel a little bit more free, but also they feel very uncertain because we will not know what the next week will bring. and so i'm assuming that means that in terms of descent, you're not hearing about any more protests or even anything critical online about the government now. well em online? yes. you do hear a lot of critical debate, but this is more, you know, some people think the easing of restrictions doesn't go far enough. they want more, you know, for example, they want more gates opened of residential compounds. they want more of a roots released, et cetera. others are fear that in the opening up will go to fire. i mean, the, those kind of debates you have, but those big anti locked on protests, or even the political protests, or in my, to my awareness or not on going right now. but i mean, the political protests were basically repressed by heavy police presence and a lot of arrests and a campaign of intimidation. so i think that is the main reason for the political protests to have stopped, or at least they're suspended no farther in cash mer. thank you so much. turning now to indonesia, where the parliament has passed sweeping reforms to the country's criminal code, including jail time for extra marital facts. and there's a ban on insulting the president and on religious blasphemy. and the prior penal code dated back to dutch colonial rule critics have slammed the slammed rather than new laws as moral policing. but indonesia, as human rights minister, defended the parliament's efforts. but in the govern from a it's not easy for a multi cultural and multi ethnic country to make a criminal law code that can accommodate all interests. lockwood law, expert beverages and he joins us from jakarta. thanks for coming on the program. a bid re key was this decision a surprise or was this expected given the rise of religious conservatism in indonesia? i will said it is actually unfortunately expected as effect even the rice off the really get conservatism indonesia. so there are many articles in the code that we can we can see clearly how the. busy issue of morality going into our legal system and critic say this is a setback for civil liberties in the country. the policing of private human decisions. can you just elaborate a little bit more on that? yeah, there are at least 18 articles that are criticized. and i, we mention out one of them that was that the morality issue, the extra marital sexual relationship. but we also have, for example, the article about the in south to the president and vice president. so that it's all your be a really 8 will be very challenging bar to go to say at the to criticize the work of the government because there's not a clear explanation. what is actually an insult and what is pretty them. and in the elimination of the article, it even say that creepy, ve the means that you have to come up with solution it with you know, policy recommendation, which is actually not repeating the mass we understand. and also we have our mission regarding what we call leaping, all article with which basically faith that local laws in all over indonesia can be recognized as a crime or as long as it is recognized as you know, still alive, image society. and that will also cause uncertainty because as we all know, indonesia is huge and the causes of many ethnic groups, many regions. and there are already, ah, research reports saying that there are many local english instead are actually discriminatory against women, especially because of really just go to therapy them. so this is also our concern and also articles about am, for example, a less than me, which means you have in this be no code. not now, but lawmakers are saying that they're doing all this because they have to comp from eyes. and you're talking about the government and a closet, is that make it a little difficult or unclear in terms of what would be considered an insult right out? what does this say about president yoko widows administration yeah . or the government always they that they have to buy in the middle way between different opinions but only have to see it in a different way. we have quite a tuition which when things are very of actually very good human rights permissions. so in my opinion, the, the task of the government is not to find the meter away between the pros and cons, but the door uphold the constitution. so of course they can think when we go through this province in one, really harsh of, of a sanction florida while at the issue is that it is probably people who don't want that. but this is not the way the government works. right. bbt says anti thank you so much for joining us. and here i melissa chan. thanks for watching and good bye. ah, with miss tina a saxophone operator, who wrote her master's thesis on put potato raring to read a, not the turn on. well, it gets more ridiculous from their d w that are true list to german ministry the world cup in to talk about exactly the important tim phone conversion included because we are here for you with report and background information about football figures. everything you need about the 2022 world cut on d, w ah, a visit a charged with high hopes. germany's economy minister visits namibia, a country that could play a vital and green role in germany's attempts to secure future energy. energy sources will get more from our correspondence also coming up the u ones, pollution stemming from the transport sector to come down and is now not only looking at what's coming out of exhaust pipes. and moldova has a proud history of making wind, but war on his doorstep and, and economic downturn mean. these are tricky times for the countries vinyati. i'm chris cobra. welcome to the program. could so in africa, be part of the solution to germany's energy woes. that is the hope of economy, mister robert harbours, as he visits 2 countries in the region, both of which are are looking toward green hydrogen production. mister hubig was in the movie on monday to support a $10000000000.00 hydrogen project from a german firm. today he landed in south africa, the worn ukraine, and the resulting loss of russia. natural gas imports has sent havoc and the german government scrambling for alternatives.
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