But welcome to conflict. Thank you very much in november one thousand nine hundred eighty you told a meeting of your party if you know foil that you believe the United Ireland was irresistible you spoke way too soon well i though i thought i said that november night and i did you were carried away by the moment well i think we i still believe United Ireland is happy about just about would be certainly too strong a word to be to be using i think united are in a kind of happened over at a long period. Certainly cant. Its certainly not something thats going to happen in the sharp term medium term in my view and i dont even agree with people who believe that we should use de clause in the agreement to have a bar to poland a short term because it would be divisive wont be held. For you said it was a dangerous game so anybody who wants to play thats a dangerous game certainly said i still and i would apply to the Irish Government at the moment would apply to anybody i think to push a barge pole into short term its not the result because i think i know what the result of be we reject it but it would be the tag and theres some anonymous of the stuff the campaign would generate and everything around that would set things back. When were trying to get things to walk solid think it definitely is not the thing so why is the Irish Government pushing in the nationalists a pushing it well they want to exploit the the weakness of the power sharing agreement which collapsed over a year ago yet nobody exploits the uncertainties and the political drift thats going on at the moment fein are pushing the edge and their line is that they will do it in it in a five year period that start. Line but i have to correct government are not doing it got there is called mint are not portion of twenty sixteen you had the irish Prime Minister enda kenny saying to the e. U. Get ready for a United Ireland what was that if it wasnt massively provocative well i hear if if if he said that his stated position is its a long term project i mean he certainly bode well tend to get ready for a united. Thats like saying. Your days are numbered i have to say if we put it that way its not what is normal. Position its his normal position hes out of my side but id have to defend him i think both the overall and and the kenny had said that they believe in united arent as a long term project the foreign minister got into some difficulties recently when he said that what happened is like time but in fairness to him he switched to do you peak and megaphone diplomacy hes forty six year old soul with the normal life cycle. But what about various things that i think needlessly provocative that you know i think i think the reason is that you know. People like you ask them the questions they ask them the questions are they in favor of a United Ireland are they not some of the you know theres no you certainly know how these answers are going to be you know what theyre saying. If you if you say if you say im not in favor of a United Ireland and i never want to see United Ireland that causes disappointment from the ashes so i think i dont criticize politicians for saying that they believe the aspiration is for united are i think all of us would like to see that but i dont i do not think id have to defend the present i dont think the present government who is taking the view that they think we should have a short term bought a poll and a short term you know you had the current irish Prime Minister saying he understood the certain statements by the nationalists being seen as disrespectful intrusive or interfering as he put it this was not our intention he said we have no hidden agenda have you ever met a politician bertie ahern who didnt have a hidden agenda to many a. Kid like i thought but i think you know in the circumstances of Northern Ireland were without situations for fifteen months and i think the primary issue for us to do now is a cool and had ish position to try and get the institutions back up and running i think thats what both governments should be do not think is what all the power to should be doing. And i think a cool as you like shin feigns where you get the kind of rhetoric from gerry adams to form a champagne leaders and i believe the British Government has no right to be in ireland never had any right to be an island and never will have any right to be and thats going back to the battle it is it is what happened there is i was on a t. V. Program to go to a day with some of the extreme unionists. And they were. Almost question the rights of gerry adams to be in order not in itself and afraid that it doesnt help. It and that kind of language doesnt happen either side but in fairness you have to a lot of had a people in both the unionist and nationalists and this week weve had the loyalists issue in a very positive statement at trying to move away from violence trying to move out not to move away from violence but move away from criminality and the old sort of Freedom Fighters to go to the Fence Association read time commanders so there are people on all sides trying hard to at to build peace build relationships woodsman or work work. Work and some some and i dont think youd argue with some opportunistically using bricks it to try and unpick the union not that well you get the latent attempt to do just that. There are youre certainly right and out there are british politicians tory british politicians who have all the empty and big time like on patterson and elders but im talking about a little im going to talk im talking about the people who are causing problems and what they are theyre being very very unhelpful in trying to say that the good friday agreement is not meaningful anymore that it is not useful that is creating difficulties and that if it wasnt there wed have an easier back but its not just the tory pull its you know it is lazy trimble the foremost the you need its what you know its me its mainly dettori politicians and it is then responded to i think you have to understand who started the. British tory relations british tory politicians on David Trimble because the unit is the one thing that would provoke loyalist paramilitary is the present Irish Government saying silly things about the border and the constitution and david terms a good friend of mine but who. Hes a member of the tory party he left the altar Unionist Party and joined the tory party so im afraid youve made my case does that mutual maybe just just be very like a just because hes a tory does that you know you just made my case is that i deny the right of him no he doesnt but does it make it wrong im just quoting back and unafraid i dont preach or walk into a sorry i dont want to do i mean you walk into a you said that or other politicians but the very politician you quoted was an altar unions politician thats how to pronounce that harkened im saying what im saying if you want if you want an argument ill give it to you and i when so i just want to tell you that what we need is can good head of politicians to try to make the good friday agreement work and what im saying to you is that toward politicians who are using breakfast because you asked the question are creation the difficulty those of us im not a politician longer but those of us who are trying to keep things calm and keeping saying are saying today that is the wrong thing to do we must Work Together to get a solution that makes it work if thats what the british want and thats what they voted for and we i except but cool and and and clever to keep harking on about the fact that fifty six percent of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the you and if they would only unite with ireland their membership of the e. U. Would be assured is it cool and clever to keep on with this delight at the parliaments vote last year to give Northern Ireland special e. U. Status this is sheer hypocrisy from from the Irish Government. And im sorry the the British Parliament did not for the last year to give special. Time to them of the. Last year to e. U. Part. Parliament are not the negotiators as you know and it probably was the larger the better ripping quote you know and we have to walk to the. Bottom we went to like what were delighted with is that the european negotiator is are are saying in doubt and the border in ireland would be if a few just a fantasy so. Were delighted which everybody has said havent been here you have the tories have said that the government has said thats why the e. U. Has said i think i was government said so so why me into this disaster it doesnt have to be done no no if. Others seem to delight in warning that this is the end of the word politics that taken to light a tall i mean i guess im im just worried for the british people i think of the british people stay in the culture of union it solves the british problem solve the irish problem i cant understand why the British Public would want to. Support to close and uniting people like ken clarke and a former you know. Foreign leader of the tories and me that they have made sense of both issues start to stand closer viewing is the right thing to do and i think in the end it wont be called the close in june and i think theresa may will probably try to maneuver a party to staying the course im hearing as well or some part of the earth but you seem to blow hot and cold on this issue because one moment you say take the reason mayor to would you told the irish times last november shes confidently said she doesnt want to physical border the you dont want a physical border Irish Government dont and then you say in a recent interview youve got to play hardball with the brits now what a different thing oh i guess id like to know ill explain to you why theresa may said on the fifteenth of december i had to choose. He was quite happy to have a backstop. Would make sure there was no border at lest and train months later she said no british Prime Minister could agree backstop the chief agree ten to fifteen to december so meant to praise somebody for taking a different position in ten weeks if theresa may is consistent i would be the first supporter but you. Didnt washington last month saying the u. K. Remain committed to protecting north south cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard but what he said at last yeah well i mean lets see if they stick to that but if they stick to a consistent position which we do in ireland and i think you understand better than most weve had eight hundred two years of british misrule that we dont trust them very well and we never did weve got to good friday agreement which we want to implement as so when the British Government Say Something we like to see it dont we dont go around. After eight hundred years very easy so what happened to all this fine talk over the last couple of weeks about the trust surrounding the good friday agreement and all the northsouth institutional bodies and all this youre saying theres no trust that well we dont have the institutions open raanan you know integration twenty years we know you signed an agreement dont paved the way for we dont have now were going to not have the last eighty now and that and thats and thats why were raising the. Back and not on the mistrust is back but we have. Had three hundred years of misrule eight hundred years of bad mis rules and. No no were not going to get the brits out have are that we bang that drum set so i mean what you need to do is spend some more time in our information on the standards because. If you dont mind me saying but no we work very closely with the British Government but we dont love the consistency of the brits. Government i mean we we want to say. That works for us if it works for britain as well thats fine we want to see bodies to work well we want to see the east west relationship work well and i think its a pity and thats we were loose the contact we presently have with british politicians after the twenty ninth of march next and weve had very good relations here for british politician for forty five years and youre going to britain leaves the you know what that ends on forty one do when they leave to you we wont have regular contact of our very we can every month of basing them now i think if we get the institutions back up and running again we can use to get a governmental conference of the good friday agreement to actually do that and i think theres a solution in good friday agreement. To deal with he u. K. Been noted he and i think that will work for both of us but you heard looking back over the good friday process the problem as being more reconciliation and peace as little there would come and piece of the mill it been a lack of political will among the politicians to make reconciliation work im thinking of education out of more than eleven hundred schools in Northern Ireland just sixty five to grade yes its very upsetting because theres a very small proportion of very very very small proportion there isnt in the will on either side i think to reconcile it daily with some communities they have made enormous progress in order areas very little progress integrated education is certainly one of those problems theres no doubt about that and you have to blame the politicians who were put into power by the good friday. Dont know its the politicians dont decide what schools children go to parents the science Public Schools children go take another push into a day when they know fairness and lot of politicians are trying to do that but a parents the saw. I to follow their denominational grounds and politicians cant force them but in a poll last month commissioned by the integrated education found people blamed political leaders for doing little or nothing to bring about integrated education nearly eighty percent they wanted Cross Community merges of schools but they blamed politicians and incidentally the churches as well for holding up the process but you know its not my job tireder defend politicians in the north or the churches but if people. If people want to force. People into into a great education i could take this example of if i was to force the large more Muslim Population now in dublin to join or push integration education would you and others be saying to that. You know so we can choose for if youre working with a particular history in new york you are going to turn your current force and its because of that history i would like to see more integrated education i think would certainly help with had future generations but you cant force parents at the pole away from what they like and want to convert but where you can promote it and my point is you know i think there is that weve been promoting it look at look at housing look at social housing for instance ninety percent of social Housing Estates are still single identity single religion but in fairness to politicians on all sides they are trying hard to do that they are and i do try to get the peace walls the socalled peace walls down the barriers between i harvest them in catholic communities you know well that i mean there are third more of them than there were times the good friday agreement affectively open and people are moving cross but back and forward have too much difficulty i think the politicians in the north would would certainly improve the situation if they were working together indian situations. To promote more reconciliation theres no doubt about that does no doubt about that but they it can only be done in the context of the order in arlington its history and the division and a divided society it can only be done slowly and in the meantime i think we have to very much support and promote the kind of peace programmes and cross bar aCross Community programs that hard there are many politicians in the north working very hard with communities and i have been in the shanksville where ive and the falls for ive seen catholic kids play the lamb bag ive seen protestant kids play the fiddle. Ive seen them trying to promote harding so there are lots of people you know trying trying to do these things are not a concern a little bit fast enough no are they concerned enough about the violence because if you look at the ten years to april twenty sixth there were eleven hundred bombings and shootings almost eight hundred socalled punishment attacks and four thousand people who were pushed out of their homes or in Northern Ireland when in the ten years to april twenty sixth he wasnt. These are figures compiled from belfast detailed data website a well theres hardly any part of some Police Prison or court not a record its hardly been a bombing theres hardly been a bombing in Northern Ireland since to go home a bombing last year according to the Police Service no than the one hundred in one shootings and beatings up from just sixty four. But most adults have not been political theres been more people i give you one for you know concerned about this one i dont know i know i tell you theres been a feud between two gangs in dublin in the last three years more people have been killed in that than an ordinary in the last fifteen years. The figures the Bombing Campaign in oregon arent. The last significant bombing or very very very little political shootings in order in ireland and a lot of third step criminality but im afraid to criminality is what happens in every city. Criminality will not end on the political solution but as far as Political Violence and order in ireland little or no on our has and has been that on the shootings and beatings are ok now the shootings and beatings are happening everywhere and we shooting them and i was watching the television go today and the crisis to huge crisis in nandan but we have been right there in the north and i was in particular i can tell you theres less crime in Northern Ireland at practice practically and you complacent about nice not to paste in the top but i have to say youre figures are from cloud cuckoo land well these are figures as i said in the. Detail data webs and the must mean late at night when they gave them but i mean there is little or no shootings in Northern Ireland and little or no there is criminal activity criminal activity and which which were always worried about we have that in this city here where we are you and i see it and theres been about ten borders in the line and the last two years around just around this area has nothing to do Political Violence. Its to do with criminals and drugs bertie ahern in that in the years since the good friday agreement your own fortunes have been mixed in two thousand and twelve you resigned from your party after a Public Inquiry said you lied about the source of substantial sums of money that youve received you said youre going to clear your name did you clearly and yes i did and quite happy occurred when then because the tribunal never reversed its decision no other media tribunals or tribunals gave its views at a tribunal gave if you said you were truthful now they gave they gave its views and i gave my evidence and i gave my evidence and i was very happy with my evidence and i was very happy with the situation that that i gave under tribunals over and report you understand why they thought yeah you know like i do ive dealt. With that issue and im not saying any more about that issue ive dealt with it comprehend finance minister without i dont count i have dealt with all those issues comprehensive they are not dealing with them again youre somebody who wants to come back maybe as president these are issues that are really a public debate for another day be for another day for a senior politician who was always to avoid not only impropriety but the appearance ive given him my total views and on his show and im not going to add to them let me talk about the the crash the economic crash yes the tribunals and you can i just for you just explain for a minute. Why you dont want to talk about you know i want to take agree to meet you on the good friday agreement weve done that so were finished thank you very much. 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