Caller good afternoon. A caller talked about the right wing conspiracy but the up political machine so talk about Rupert Murdoch and of the Koch Brothers and with that propaganda medium machine media machine with of pledged to stick to the constitution but the Koch Brothers control the political structure structure. Host lets talk to somebody who is bent in theal political system for many years to get his perspective and if individual or group can control another group of people like that. Has answered the earlier question byword conspiracy sounds as if they have come together to conspire to isin overthetop but a thinked for t those that you list before their political orientationo a c have to, to a conclusion that is similar but whether they colluded idol cd evidence of that. I believe the way in ourli democracy that you respond to a point of view is not to try to shut them down but provide alternatives and in america the Owners Manual is the example has done that and hear and florida, there is a county of antidiscrimination ordinance that did not include gays or lesbians or other transgendered individuals. Plg bt q Community Came together with the Business Community instead of this to be exclusively that humanrights issue but the combination of human rights plus to failure to provide protection to that segment of the population terms of lost jobs were lost economicco growth but that coalition which came together from ato different perspective the with the same objective could get the county to reconsider what only the expanded humanrights program that preceded the gave marriage constitutional steps taken by the federal court for chromosome for those that dont share your opinion for whatever reason. Host irene in connecticut you are on with senator graham. Caller my question is d. C. In the future any changes to the Electoral College . Couple of our president s have not been our president but elected by the Electoral College so do you see any changes of that possibility . Guest pragmatically, and no. Electoral college is a considerable benefit to the smaller states and that is why it was adopted in 1787 as part of the great compromise that led to the constitution. One of the contending issues in a number of various including the representaon in the big states say we have most of the people but the small states save the system is tilted and then we are disadvantaged. Theyre all types of compromises and this is one of them. But today it is unlikely that the states which are small in population therefore have a disproportionate influence on the selection of the president will not give that up to require 347 states to vote for the constitutional amendment for them to do so. I dont think that is likely to happen. Host the last call comes from washington. Caller senator graham i am worried are many people are worried that President Trump will pull out of the up paris accords and nine men involved with these issues and what do you think about this and how can we assume that President Trump and his staff will consider he does not believe and Climate Change . I believe in Climate Change it is hard not to in south florida of because we see on a consistent basis the effects of Climate Change. To be associated with high tide toward the sea water isng p coming up through the storm pipes rather than the surface water going down. We have seen a consistent pattern that every year it is warmer than the preceding year that is warmer than the year before and i really believe if you are a conservative which says lets dont take unnecessary chances, the consequences of Global Warming being a non reality which are minimal, is that we have a more sustainable energy. The consequences is disastrous. So if person who abides by true conservative principles listee with the problemences because the consequences of failure are so enormous. Of those arguments could be persuasive he understood what would be necessary for him to be elected president so now lets give them a chance to function. Tical that is not theoretical or rhetorical but will have an effect on the 315 million americans. Host here is the book america the Owners Manual you cannot fight city hallsenato you can fight city hall and win. Guest tanks for the opportunity. Host the Washington Post reporter here is his book they cannot kill us alland in real will take calls from him as well. After that youll hear from Jane Alexander author and actress of thirsty and johnson best seller we will also take your calls even senator Bernice Sanders today as well that is comingat up you can find it on our web site with the entire schedule. Rg. We will be right back author wesley lowery. 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Former Senate Majority leader George Mitchell explores the potential for peace between israel and palestine. Harvard Business School professor explores the motivation of white collar criminals and this weekend, Washington Post columnist Sebastian Maltby talks about the career of former federal but what i call it is it is basic is new york that is focused to create that aggregate data which had not existed. So that creation of data is the best quality data but not modeling are taking that for granted with those logical connections afterwards, airs on book tv saturday and sunday at 9 p. M. Eastern, you can watch all previous afterward programs on our website, book tv. Org. Am and book tv is live at th host we are live that the Miami Book Fair for the 33rd year the festival has then held at Miami Dade College north of downtown miami were now joined on the set whisky author of the book they cannot control assault. Us all that is a long title. It comes from a video after the Fatal Shooting of martin one of the first Fatal Shootings after the grand jury decision not to charge the officers in ferguson. So we stuck with that because we capture the feeling of those who hadan taken the streets last few years is seems like it is happening every day that we will all rushed into the streets because there is power in the numbers. One of of demonstrators that night there was the few dozen protesters from but i remember seeing that that day capture the feeling. Host what was yourom experience in ferguson wet cement todays after Michael Brown was killed i was for the post covering politics. A very different beat i had to be freed i had a backpack digest a back from a trip to cover a senate race we were having a conversation about misery and the Coverage Plan leges we offered to call those congressional representatives and finally be editor said go. I got on a plane i went late on the 11th that i thought would be a two day a assignment may be getting a feature story and be back on sunday football at home but instead i was there for almost three months almost ane whole time at the bureau. But as i was there myself and another reporter was arrested during the coverage of the protest we were the first to over dozens that overtime were taken intoe custody day after day of demonstrations, at times indiscriminately or witht cause we were in that wod went and ias one of the figures of the story. Ho our guest for our conversation. We will talk with them about the issues surrounding ferguson and black lives matter and the racial issues the country has faced in the last couple of years. 01 for is this a blackandwhite issue or is this black and blue . I think it is both because this because of our historic blackandwhite issue we know that was founded with the originals sent to build its that racial inequity into the fabric of our nation. Although some would argue didnt trying to stop your very happy that way but since that time we have tried to undo that but w because of that there is a historic with the ship between black communities and lawenforcement. There is zero ways the historic relationship of the former Chicago Police talked about so many of the policies whether jim crow or enforcing jim crow that for all of American History have been the face. So sometimes we talk about how do we rebuild the relationship . But in reality we need to create a new relationship. Host leslie, a Cleveland Ferguson baltimore new york charleston we have a black president during that time. Is there a connection greg. A think there is providing that comes from two directions. Ink first is coincident that we have seen unrest and Police Shootings every year of modern history. This is going on during the clinton years remain not n talk about it or covered at the same way but the issues have always insisted. But the presidency of barack obama activated a level of activism and political anxiety and had not existed prior to a first agda book i tried to profile as an activist to become the faces of the protestovement so many have eir entry in politics thrgh barack obama they voted for him peon i talked about 20something. I think very often because needys understanding of the limitations but he was elected on a mandate to change washington to bring us together. We are at the united states. Not red or blue but hete wasnt capable himself to bridge this divide and we know this. And if not even more so. Because of that so many voters especially those young black people the hope for a different world that would not be defined by racetedh but that were not coming that. But that we were still having these conversationscultur with with those diversity issues. I will never forget that activist from misery touring the town hall that was encouraging the protest and activism but she said duty to register to vote and what we often hear of how people should politically engagedpoliti in saying i voted for barack obama twice. But somehow just that existence could not erase the history or reality. Wesley is our guest and National Reporter with the Washington Post and lets take some calls. From sedona arizona. Caller i have a couple of comments. Ke. Thanks for writing your book and standing up for the people. I am a White American if it was a black america i would have been dead i have been denied health care for preexisting condition i have been locked in prison for something that is no legal for a car was fired from my job because of the economy. I tried to be the best american i can possibly be and now i suffer from other conditions that i also have pooa the and poorly cared for in this country that we live in. Go back 40 1 5 years ago when then and indians and black americans. Host anything we have threepoint is there a larger picture we can draw from your book to try to experience. Guest of course,. I am sorry which sounds with the difficult set of circumstances that we canth empathize but what we have seen over the last eight years is so large protest Movement Born out of political frustration. Rty ag but as they take the senate but the movement for black lives, very often rewind to set up the juxtaposition. But that type of sense . I do see some democratic duty and in many ways to interact with our government the ways that the country was founded. And what is surprising to me m that the obama years and nowel the trump years have been marred by the street activism and protest at the time to be described robb he was campaigning a time when gridlock has suffered and people are frustrated why isnt the economy more turned around . Health care . Those who feel they have done everything right most people in ferguson had made it out and had done everything right they still cannot understand why they were treated this way. Erican so i think his call fits into the defense and said it is calling from st. Louis. Caller thanks for reading the book but i have one question with the industry share with donald trump to sit this thing is he is notorious for, that. How will they deal with the industry shin whiff of policing of winery communities and immigrants and what does the Community Need to do . I have black children and white children and hispanicnt children and immigrant children in my extended family. Guest thanks for thee call and that is an important question i am reporting a lot about now. But what weve seen very often in times of unrest between minority communitiesars and police we very often see anthe lawandorder backlash now arguably the donald trump election. The obama illustration has been very specific to use the department of justice. So with that said it this questionable the Obama Administration has done more than any other presidency to investigate or attempt to provide Community Policing resources and require the information from Police Departments meaning how many were shocked that that is what the federal governmentil does not keep but donald trump has stated that we dont believe the federal government should require the local governments we do not want to harass them and has stated many times he wants to restore at the porter but to rebuild the relationships to sound like he wants to be critical. And what we know about the senator Jeff Sessions who also had a long streak so it does seem unlikely that those attempts to Reform Police will be continued but most likely those that want to see change there will be a need to search and need to work at there. That report on Police Shootings . Where is the best place to find that it was i comprehensive. Guest it may be easier to google allow Washington Post project is on the siteice. Were still working on this. Two ye and to track fatal Police Shootings 990 last year i dont know the number bute abou were at the fatal Police Shootings. But there is the plaintive you as a reporter put your view. Gabelli fin honesty and fairness. But what was difficult but one thing that was present at one point i became part of it but also i was a young black man right thing about black men. Or young black women. Men. I think sometimes we lie to ourselves that there is an objective of that to exist so we all bring our experiences into what stories or how hard we worked for that extra interview. It is important to knowledge who we are. Ne host from they can kill us all 24 unarmed black people have been shot by police or black men andd women just make up 12 of the population percodan accounted nearly 25 percent of those who were shot and killed by the police. , you are on with leslie lowery. Caller i take dead different view on all of this. Why are young black mene constantly involved with the police in terms of police g altercations . Igo back to rodney king. On the tenth anniversary anniversary, interviewed hime and he says i was on parole at the time and i knew my only chance was to put up a fight which is what he did so then he became the victim but as the parole or robber at the time and he knew he would go to jail illness he put typifies so why are there so many altercations . Why do people resist arrest with they can settle the i issues in those court room . Of course,. That is a fair question i do get a lot from readers so why so much scrutiny of the police and less of the criminals . Eight think that is the fair post i dont think they should not be fighting with police officers. Led an but we have seen many cases of that but it is hard to explain why people who break the law, break the law but there is something to be said for the undoing of the Police Legitimacy that one of the reasons if you think of our criminaljustice system can only work if the majority of the people follow the law. If we all decided to rob a bank to marco but the system only works when they see a deterrent. So those things that break down legitimacy is the historical reality so ongoing questions for those that many people see as discriminatory so on homicide clearance rate so in many of these communitiesthe they are not able to solve their crime all of the time to the delegitimizing meeting to comply with officers. So when we analyze, while i do think there are fair questions but it is our jobed to hold up the difference standard in any action is done in our name. Every bullet to the back of walter scott is done in the name of the taxpayers so were need to require accountability with a thfferent standard off breaking the allah. Host you are on booktv, ray,y with leslie lowry. A thing he has a very myopic view the problem with black lives matter is there was no white People Killed and the black people that are attacking the police but then this killed justifiably paul of the others that should not so the white people would join up with you to have a movement to take care of some of this. vel we also had a police van who has not done right and treated as wrong but the problem more often does the black people are resisting arrest and running from the police. Host i think we got the, i th point. Guest i appreciate the call that is the point i a here very often but alsost before the p. Status similar project we literally did not know. So the majority shot and killed the officers are white but also the officers are white so look at the populations as 6 of the population is 24 this speaks to a potential disparity. But the point is interesting that it isnt made very often butted is more broadly a police use of force than double they should play broadly and will say we have run the numbers and look at the