President of the National Press club the former general manager of cbs Radio Networks and executive producer of the report published broadcasting series moderated by todays virtual headliner guest journalist marvin kalb. We are free to accept questions from those tuning in today and i will ask as many as time permits. To submit a question please email headliners at press. Org. For 27 years now ive had the privilege and pleasure of working with and introducing this gentleman for 101 programs here the National Press club. The introduction is always the same. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome the last correspondent personally hired to at cbs news by edward r. Moreau and the Gold Standard broadcast journalism my friend and colleague marvin kalb. Thank you mike. Thats the kindest intro. Please do it again and again. For 17th book just published by the Brookings Press marvin present the second installment of his autobiography entitled assignment russia becoming a Foreign Correspondent in the crucibile of the cold war marvin has described the book as a long letter home after an unforgettable person would venture. It covers the period in his life from his arrival at cbs in 1957 through his ears as correspondent from 1960 to 1963. A love of the country that welcomed oppressed people from around the world with open arms and opportunity. Marvin, once again, welcome back to National Press club. Guest thank you, mike. Its pleasure for me to be here. I thank the press club and you especially for not only being a gracious introducer but also the guy who opened so many doors. Host marvin he called you professor. You called him sir. And he described you to colleagues as our kind of guy. Im speaking of course of he described you as is our kind of guy r numeral. Men charge you an icon to the rest of us. Talk about the beginning of your career at cvs, that is where tho book begins. The book begins with what may strike the people as an odd chapter when they know you have become professionally tell you in late june of 1957, it was certainly not what i had expected. Cbs news a huge newsroom lots of people screaming, reporters are trying to get their copy and as quick as possible. Debtors grooming for copying. Everyone i walked in at midnight on a midnight shift is like there is not a soul there. I walked into an empty newsroom and there is nothing more empty in life for a journalist and empty newsroom. Going for my phdhd at harvard i knew i thought i had her right dissertation. But no one, no one had ever said marvin, you are going to have to write a three minute 552nd radio broadcast. No one told me how to do it. I had not a clue. I walked in, there is nobody there. , and i was terrified. I kept walking for one tickertape to the other looking at news. But the ticker tapes were miraculously silenced. No one was helping me. When got to go into a panic at 3 00 a. M. In the morning when bells they indicated a bullet. Took myself right over too reuters. Ripped a copy off and it read 27 people died when the boat they were in cap sized in the river in india. And my first reaction, i am ashamed to say it, was thank god. And thank god i have a news story. I had something to write about. I finally did write somethingme and i gave it to the editor came in at 4 30 a. M. In the morning. Our bouncy guy with a yankee baseball cap. Teresas lunch with him and a small bag. It said i am your editor. Do you have your copy . I said yes, sir. I gave it to him, doubt and he looked at it. My heart dropped because i wase, hoping there would be a smile on his face. Something ate satisfaction. It was about five minutes until 5 00 oclock he threw my copy side put in the paper into his typewriter and darted out at a ferocious deed, the whole broadcast. I minute to 5a man came in, picked it up when into studio nine, read it. Sounded like my earlier vision of cbs are so well done but i didnt do it. And when the broadcast was over, he came over to me and said he put his arm around me and said marvin, you are really good writer but you do not know how to write a radio newscast. And he explained what it was like in he became one of my great teachers. Quickstart is often a moment in time, marvin, when you can merge what you bring to the next with what you learn on the job. Was it evolutionary for you . Was there a particular moment you felt i got this, i can really do this . This might come as a surprise, but to this day i never feel that ive got it. I always feel that im doing the best i can to convey information to the public. As honestly as i can, as straightforwardly as i can. But i can tell you right now that satisfaction with my own work is never something i have felt. I always have a sense it could be a lot better. And i try harder. I can say to you first time is reported in may of 1960. I did feel a coming together of the knowledge i had accumulated about russia, the language in the history and all of that stuff that i had been picking up in college and graduate school and work at the u. S. Embassy in 1956 and 57. The requirements of taking that knowledge putting it into a minute radio spot. A minute and a half television spots. Somehow or another despite decompression still to convey the reality, the substance, honestly to the American People. So in t a sense that it did come together but never to my total satisfaction. Click select read you something can get your view of it. Our wonderful mutual friend and colleague offered the following description, dick said even now many years later i think of ed murrell and superlatives. A skilled tenacious reporter and a brave man. A fine human being. As a boss murrell leg dont know bruceem made no suggestions as o style or content. He demanded only a clear and appropriate colorful presentation of fact. He was scrupulously fair and his colleagues accepted his choices without complaint. He led by example not command. Marranos usually furrowed brow expressed a press pessimistic side perhaps to indulge nationwide audience want to good. Yet when he smiled, it was like a sunrise. He knew his own worth was not there theater is in his stress on this is as well as a plea that often marked his speech. Some physical human tree. His style was serious, long experience at the microphone did not make them casual. He saw his broadcast as a service to the American People an accurate depiction marvin . Absolutely. At this so beautifully stated. Only by somebody who worked with him for a long time which is certainly what they did. It started way back in 1944 in london. He was a young eager reported that spoke german. They were at war with germany. He wanted very much to persuade him who is bureau chief of cbs london. He had doubt about his broadcasting capability. But he eliminated that immediately because he said to a friend he knows what the story is. He knew the story. In the time i met murrell was in may of 1957. Id written an article the librarian came over to me and said marvin, theres a guy on the phone name ed morrow. And he would like to talk too. I turned to the library and where the stupidest sequences in my life since it ed murrell is not calling me, forget about it. Its obviously some quack just hang up on him. I dont know if she actually hung up on him. But late that afternoon she came back to me and said marvin, it is that same man and he still called himself edp murrell. Maybe you want to pick up the phone and talk to him. Though i did not believe he was calling me. But when i heard his voice, that magnificent voice how could i have not picked up the phone the first time . Yi apologize to him repeatedly. He said dont worry about that. Can you come and see me tomorrow morning in new york in my office . I said yes, sir, i will be there. When he answered professor i will see you. And that establish the professors relationship we have with each other. I was there the following mornings secretary said to me as i walked in, mr. Murrell is a very busy person only got about a halff hour. I said absolutely, fine with me. But for three hours. He asked me question after question about the soviet union of the youth, religion, education, when they got married they have an apartment . What was it like with inlaws . He wanted to know everything about the soviet union which was our principal adversary in the midst of the cold, war. And after we spoke for three hours he put his arm on my shoulder as we walked out. He said oh, by the way how would you like to work for cbs . All of three seconds to say yes, sir. Well be here now so he hired me. It is so perfect. He also has an obligation. Conveyed reality to the American People. But is that had to be done. Complete to provide them with the information for they can then use the information as they choose. Asas mentioned you speak russian and our scholar in russian studies wife and madeline. Tell us about the underpinnings of your interest in russian studies and your desire to be in moscow. My mother and father were both products of the czarist empire. It stretched into poland, ukraine, it was a very large empire. My father came here in 1914 just before the outbreak of world war i. My mother in 1913. In this country opened its doors and welcomed these two people who had suffered different forms of religious persecution. They welcomed them to the United States. And they provided them with the opportunity, nothing is guaranteed. Provided the opportunity for personal freedom, religious observance and for economic chance, opportunity. In the bullet off great you dont necessarily pull it off. And i felt right then and there asor a reporter i wanted to pay back, that is ant expression vy special to me. The idea is to pay back this country for what this country has done and done a wonderful things for my mother and father. And then for us as their offerings. This was an opportunity in this book to describe them, to describe my brother, my sister, in a way that gives the reader for understanding payback. Thank you america for what it is you did for my parents and then for us. Was someone who understood that immediately. Couldnt talk to them about this and then because i did not know enough about payback. I do now i feel very strongly that it is important that everybody have an opportunity to pay back the country that gives them the opportunity for religious freedom, political freedom, and economic opportunity. Exit state in moscow now. We have a series of questions your time spent there, your prep before it in your execution of duties there. From former National Press club. You are in moscow during the cuban missile crisis. Did you think war was imminent . What were the signs you arehe seeing . Let me point out, also i did not quite complete my earlier thought. He asked me about getting into moscow. My brother, bernie who is always been extremely influential in my life. Direction and study of correction, the study of the russian language. I then did a great deal of work in the army when i was in the army. Gave me a clearance that allowed me then to work at the u. S. Embassy in moscow. He sends me mckee is the one more than anyone else he made it clear. That was in may of 1968. The cuban missile crisis in october of 62, by that time i was an experienced moscow correspondent. I sort of felt that i knew the russians were trying to say to the americans as well as to their own people. And the question about whether i thought we would have war, yes that possibility certainly ran through my mind. But i did not feel ever to the cuban missile crisis that we were going into war. I felt this wasnt effort by khrushchev to solve b the berlin crisis, which was described as a bone in my throat. He wanted to end that crisis by frightening the United States into striking a deal that would lead to russian control of allte of berlin in the United States from west berlin. So i saw this as diplomacy very dangerous diplomacy. But its diplomacy and not a step toward war. And of course that made it easy for me. But my boss in new york, a wonderful man named blair clark asked me whether i wanted to send maybe my wife off to shopping in scandinavia to get her out of moscow. Because he feared there very well could be anou attack. I did not agree. Theres a question during the cold war americans tend to think of ordinary russian as a kind of mysterious other about who they knew little. Could you share some stories of russians you met and how they impressed you . Let me tell you russians come in many different shapes and sizes. They are not of a standard form. There are russian intellectuals with whom any harvard professor could feel very comfortable spending an entire day, week, month, year with them. First rate scholarship, wonderful people. And also people who run the country and there are many bureaucrats in between. And russian history there has been truly a sense that the russian people require a strong leader. Somebody who will tell them what to do and they do it. And for many, many years that was indeed the case. But what struck me as a fascinating and the first time i was there, khrushchev as the leader of the soviet union wanted to initiate a program of policy of reform throughout the entire country. He did some of that but he got into trouble doing that with a lot of conservatives. Said this far and no further. In fact, get back. And so in 1956 he delivered a historic speech denouncing stalin and saying in effect lets open the door to a little bit of activity. The door was shut. And that happened after khrushchev with a brush enough the whole country just kind of stopped. And then corporate shift arrived he open the doors once again. There was a possibility that democracy under this success could actually happen and modernday russia. The peoplepe would be able to travel, talk, open up. Two things that are exciting. At this particular time we are in an earlier. With putin cracking down. And where we are unfortunately is at a moment when the doors are being shut on russian talent. Si think back to the russian writers, the musicians, the composers. You cannot be at a concert without bumping into a piece of russian music. Place. E all over the so it is there, it is there. But there is heavy hand of oppression sitting on it. Is a followup from sam about something you just mentioned. Hows the russian concept of democracy different from the west, american particular . First of all they dont know if they can ever get it really. And what they have in mind is something that is not quite a western style of democracy. I think they have an exaggerated sense of democracy. In much the same way by the way i go back now a little bit will came to this country in 1914 he felt, before he got here he felt this country was in english translated golden paradise. There would be money and baskets on every Street Corner for people just to dip into. Nd he totally hyped exaggeration of freedom and democracy. I think the russian people today have essentially that same idea is that people are trying to paint the west and american democracy is bad stuff. As poisonous. Them. Im to draw a distinction between us and them. And i have to quickly add a distinction that Many American politicians who call themselves extreme conservatives, trumped followers, try to say essentially the same thing. That a tweet against them, the bad guys. Russians are saying essentially the same thing. Is a question from bilt mccarran the executive director of the National Press club. Can you discuss the process you used to meet with russian sources . Did any of these come into danger because of contact with you Esther Mccarty feel about that . Well, i was talking to somebody else today and trying to explain. Honestly, what would it be like for an american journalist working in russia today as opposed to when you were there . One of the points they were trying to, make was in my time, things were so tight in the middle of the cold war communism in its heyday, if i went over and talked to a russian citizen on the street, asked him a question where is red square . It is likely, not certain but likely that some kgb person, some Police Person would go over too that russian citizen and begin to question him about what it is that foreigner wanted from youer . In other words, and asking the simplest question of a russian then you get that russian into a lot of trouble. And if i got information from a russian source, i have to be very clear about this, they did not come dangling like fruit from a tree in springtime. They were very rare indeed. Because everyone lives in a frightening environment, tight environment. But those that i did know and those who did talk to me, they took huge risks. At i took a risk to and possibly opening them to a kgb correct out on them and their family. So itt was always on your mind s a reporter, it should have been. You can get these people in trouble, so be careful. An interesting followup from bill mccarron. Said the russians ever try to recruit you whenik you are ther . And what was that like if so . And did you report it . Thanks im sorry to disappoint you, to the best of my knowledge, maybe they tried and i was not aware of it. But to the best of my knowledge nobody ever tried to recruit me as such but we did get into conversations tried to persuade their governments better than yours. That was effort to win me over to the point of view. I am not aware of any serious professional effort to look me into their system. Much you shared in your first autobiographical book of peter the great, what you share in the assignment russia, we learn more about krista the soviet premier in europe most interesting relationship with him and his relationship with you beginning with the title of your first book. Talk about that relationship . Stories. Do it in two the first story takes us back to july 4 , 56 at the u. S. Embassy. Actually the bouncers residence. Arrived with the entire period that was a big deal it indicated he wanted to be friends with us. And at the embassy at that time there only for four people who spoke russian. There is the ambassador, to senior officers, and me. And i was a kid on the block. Herb or mimi i had no authority drink nothing of any real importance. I was the translator. I was interpreter trained junior press officer. But ambassador bowl and i was to look after with the defense minister. And they love to drink. I did not. And i was there while he socked back eight and when the party was going he kind of that up after cruise jeff and said, i was drinking by the way water. He went over to cruise and said i have finally found a Young American who couldnt drink like a russian. Cruise jeff burst into laughter and said how tall are you . I said 3 centimeters shorter than peter the great. He loved that line. Ovto this day i have not a clue about the thought or afterthought. But it did and i said it. He has then always associated me with peter the great. Econd stort big story, which was in paris, may, 1960, there was a summit the summit meeting, this supposedly devoted to berlin after the division of berlin and the danger of berlin and two weeks before that summit, are spy plane was shot down over russia. Sue and we arrived interest because ofis the summit, and was my first big story. My responsibility was to cover it so i knew him from this experience in several experiences similar to that in 1956. And so my Foreign Editor asked, what more are you going to do covering him and i said that i know that he normally goes out in the morning for a walk, a brief walk. Let me prove at 6 00 a. M. And up in front of the Russian Embassy in becomes out, maybe i can get an interview. And he was reluctant the following day was there, the cbs group sets up and it was absolutely quite as can be and at 630 comes around and the cameraman said, are you sure i said are not sure of anything but he often comes out and it is 7 00 oclock in the large iron door to the embassy open up, and he emerges with two bodyguards card and at him and i was thrilled and we and the crew and i rush towards himim and he lood to me, and he said, wow, here comes peter the great. [laughter] and he said in the eight the way, is to bodyguards immediately reached into their jackets to pull out what i assume was a weapon. And he said no no no no, he is okay is peter the great. And then we walked down the block and there was a trench 75 morning producing the most magnificent croissants and the aroma filled the air. I looked at him and he looked at me and he said, have you ever had those eyes and oh yes, they are wonderful and he said, do you think that i would like an end i and i said im sure this would any said i would like it and i went into the bakery, and bought a bunch of croissants and give him a bunch for he and his two bodyguards, me and my crew and he ate it and the minute i saw his face, it just erupted into epic. He loved it. He said oh delicious, he loved it in a new that i had a terrific exclusive. And then i asked him questions about berlin and woody show up forul the summit and woody insit on certain things of eisenhower hundred eisenhower others it was a terrific interview and it was exclusive and cbs had it pretty and their Evening Program and that was by opening to being a correspondent and it was exciting. More questions and covering the soviet government has been described as reading signed by who appeared in the lineup of leaders atde the top and soon during official events. Is that what you found and how hard was it to get any kind of contact within the government. Extremely difficult to get in contact within the government and less it was set up in advance by somebody in the government who wanted or needed to win m you over to make you me sympathetic pretty take about hero earlier to make an effort o win you over completely but it was always there decision to try to reach out to you and so that you would have an opportunity to talk to the people in the government to, but that was rare. It was pretty will set upe. In advance pretty is very difficult for you t to meet a Government Official on your own. Whendidnt happen that way they lined up on the lennon muzzling him at a a very. [inaudible]. Tourist holiday and the person who stood in front of the microphone to speak, you knew was the single most important person at the soviet union in my time in the 50s and 60s, it was. [inaudible]. And then as you went down on him in the picture, and the same looking about him. And you knew it was the second most important person in the soviet union and that was the kremlin, you read the signs and pictures and newspapers who is covered and who is not an given positive coverage and he was ignored and that was criminology and it was exciting and it was fun. Beverly was it was an interesting challenge that you had to meet if you were to be a successful journalist in russia to how challenging was it to get a report on russia when youre filing for whether it was on rar cbs evening news on television and if you e ever have w to write in some code in order to that your messages and your stories would be understood. Yes, until april 1961, there was direct censorship of file copies for respondent as they would have to find a way of saying something that would convey reality and somehow get the words through the sensor then i can give you one illustration one that was very funny to me, the russians in one point wanted to prove to the rest of the world, that they were interested and wanted to show the red army was being disarmed and they took a group of reporters me included, to base outside and when we arrived there there was smallone small attachment and they raised their rifles in the air and threw them down to the ground and shouted, cease and then they were saying what was happening, he said were interested in peace and were giving up her weapons broadcast that evening was a group of western respondents taken for a ride today, and this time they were told they were watching, the disarmament of the red army and i was saying exactly what was happening and i did not put any fancy words and in the phrase was taken for a ride inme the american near would pick upd know instantly, what wasg going on. But that sensor in russia did not know that phrase so i was able to getd away with it. That was a test in the battle that you had the sensor every time you wantedng to get somethg across and it was always, what kind of phrase could you use that the american audience would understand it but the russian sensor would not. There is a daily challenge and is also great fun. Thank you and another question, tell us about your contacts with the dissidents particularly the jewish and did you have a special affinity for them and how did you cover that issue. I wouldve had special affinity for them but they were not when i was there live they become a story later in there 1970s. I was there in the 50s and 60s and i returned many times to the soviet union but briefly, maybe for two or three days and i was out and i did not have an opportunity to cover the which other did and people who were by the 1970s, fed up with this oppressive communist system and had the guts to stand up and join others actually express the discontent and disapproval of their political system and they were refusing and a number of them who were jewish had wanted to go to is him and tried very hard to get out of the soviet union and most of the time, they failed but when the russians wanted to make a point, they sent thousands of russian jews to islam to make a diplomatic point. It was not be nice to be juice it was making it diplomatic point so they can assist get rid of those people they didnt like. A couple of then and now questions that are coming, do you see the current russian this Information Campaign as an extension of the propaganda that you saw there or something entirely s new, theres some followups with the audience different in your day. It was to make the rest of the world out america and now it seems to be designed to pit them against ourselves. That is a very good question tin the first part of the answer is that the russian have been engaged in this time strata propaganda for many many many decades, they arer very good at taking ideas and twisting them and putting it out pretty. What they are doing now is using this old technique and pinning it to modern technology and aiming it after the tour enter the target the emerging political system but whats amazing to me is how could so many people in this country, raise an atmosphere of freedom, where youree supposed to be aware of truth and of the difference between truth and a lie. I and obviously tens of millions of american citizens, led into the russian propaganda system. That is astounding to me to this day i dont quite understand how could beat but there is no doubt that it is an tens of millions of americans are prepared to accept russian version of reality than they are to accept an american version and that is astounding. It is interesting because it brings us back to journalism. Without an end and of a country weve spent the better part of the last five years or so with journalistur being called the enemy of the people by former President Donald Trump and it was the title of a book that you would published during the Trump Administration and it seems that the role of the journalist today has become a much more important as well as perhaps dangerous, talk about that. Theres no question, that it is a danger for a number of points of view. When the president of the United States links free american journalists to enemies of the state and enemies of the people, was he aware that expression was one of the favorite expressions of Joseph Stalin and the soviet union and china in the selena initially in other words, the dictators. I can be communist or fascist dictators in an american president , uses kind of expression to define an american journalist, found horrible and why wanted to write enemy of the people, the book. And even more terrifying than that, the president used that expression very effectively and many many, again, tens of millions of american citizens believed him. There is already out out that many people in this country, pu60 percent of the people in te Republican Party according to recent polls, do not believe the joe biden one the election fairly. 52 percent of the republicans believe that the press deliberately distorted result of the american president ial campaign. Why would they believe that. Because donald trump said so and then a lot of people who represent part of the American Press corps, simply feel that it is in their interest im not quite sure, maybe financial and i hope not political, the interest to propaganda this idea. So it is dangerous to the country and democracy. And its dangerous for journalism very dangerous forca the American People but i sincerely hope that more and more of them will understand that there is a distinction between the free press and across that is married to a particular point of view. This past year has been has been her for all of us from the pandemic and the politics, the protests of the president ial election, the field insurrection in the u. S. Capitol and the security inauguration of friends and President Biden and Vice President harrison at the same time, we have found in record timeec effective vaccines to combat the coronavirus and we appear to be in the cost of a recovery. Based on your experiences including those articulated in these two graphical volumes on what is your view of the state of our democracy today in the state of the world. Fragile. Fragile. I think that our democracy today is demonstrated the fragility that perhaps many of us did not appreciate. Not quite appreciate until it was challenged so dramatically during the trump era. As i said before, the facts became weapons of war and denounced as weapons and not accept this truth. We are at a point now that if i myself in absolute agreement with President Biden he describes the political atmosphere in the United States today is a war between democracy on the one side and on in othr words, the democrats who believe in truth and can accept truth and others who believe they control truth and can impose truth on the american able. That battle is being fought right in front of us. Anybody pics of the newspaper or watch as the evening news sees it, it is right there. Would they do with it. Are they with a single political view that they cannot accept a wider judgment of reality. That . Is very much in my mind and i think theres the American People in the face today. Hell want to allow the hour, we have to given to andy, without offering you an opportunity to talk a little under a little bit about some of the people that are so important in your life and who are critical players in your book and so if we can engage in a lightning round here, i will ask you to offer some thoughts about some very important people and let start with natalie. We have been married for 62 years. S, i can only say that i feel for her the moment i saw her. And she remains just as beautiful in my eyes today and she has been with me all of the way, my closest buddy advisor. In your big brother bernard. Enormously influential iny my life. I think more than anyone else, stooping the direction of turussian studies to pick up the language and he thought all languages were incredibly important in the journalist can going to direct but with russia and the mortgage or a journalist can go inn speaking russian and imagine how the advantages you have as opposed to going into russia and finding yourself in the russian interpreter. An average russian is not going to speak through interpreters of the language was essential and bernie pointed me in the right direction. I do not have an opportunity to know your parents, but it get to know your sister and of the time that we first met 27 years ago, your fatherinlaw will rain was living in your home and talk about your parents and her parents. Will liquor is by far was born in a small textile town and he was my craft, a taylor. He came to this country in 1914. Within a brief period of time became a great fan country. And really ended up believing that we could probably do no wrong however, i stressed earlier the country gave him the opportunity to flourish. Economically, he did not, quite the contrary predict but he was given the opportunity and he never forgot that any thought that was the key and what you do with the opportunities that are given to you and my mother was born in the capitol of ukraine came here in 1913, was sort of a mixing up of genders here but kind of ther kingpin of her family and she was always the brightest, the most sensible, the most responsible, and a terrific person. I speak with authority on that. My inlaws rose and built green, rose one of the smartest and most sensitive intellectual people i have ever met, also a fabulous cook. And bill green was a stock analyst, had a marvelous sense of humor and died at the tender age of 96. And even as he went out, he was cracking jokes. Into professional colleagues, both for cronkite and bill small. Both are cronkite was the greatest increment i ever worked with. They sort of just knew when you did a story and how to lead into the story. His kindness, i thought was outstanding and bill small, was the for cvs in washington. One of the toughest guys ive ever and ever had to deal with and one of the most fair and disseminate ever had to work with read bill small did more to bring women into the industry then any bigshot i know and he s the one who introduced people like leslie and connie chung and into that top ranks it cbs. Marvin, there is a poetic irony in the book, the beginnings were the conclusions near and so many ways became the legacy, nevertheless correspondent personally hired in 1957 they were newcomer what turned out to be the final broadcast at the roundup of 1960 felt years of crisis and you invited him to join you when he became in the Kennedy Administration and most poignant response, he needed to carry on the work in journalism and so you did in the book begins and ends with him and can have you consciously felt the sense ofci irony of being there henpecked and selected as the final d person. That is a question i can answer from the current advantage point and i can answer now because im able to look backap at the time is having a knew that he was special he was idle vote listened to his 745 newscast every night and i watched his broadcast and his broadcast was bringing down senator mccarthy, was one of the most historic pieces of Television News that i have ever seen or perhaps or ever was. I was filled with admiration for this man and able to do what he did in atas the time it was happening, i was not able to fully appreciate the impact that he would have on me and many many t many thousands that to ce along over the decade card and wherever you are today, you will bump into a journalist who knows about him and wants to be him and they say we would be of much better country today that is a hard thing to be and that is why hes holding up the kind of esteem he is and deservedly so and he said, an extraordinary example of courage and of professionalism and of decency, a fearlessness and if he had to Say Something that he knew was going to offend the senator or even a president , he said it because it was true and he believed to be true. And after he left cbsn went to be the head of the he invited me to join him to be his specialist with a communist affairs and i was obviously flattered but i had to say no to him and it broke my heart. How could i say no to him, that was ridiculous and the only thing that i could say to him is that i wanted to do in moscow which you do throughout your entire earth i wanted to be like you pretty. He understood any plotted your decision. The last question marvin, the pandemic over the past year is prompted so many of us to look back at our lives and awareness of all we have and how fragile it is and look ahead so how we want to conduct ourselves and who we want to be as this fog begins to lift and yours a life well lived a rich full and you always seem to be looking ahead and get us your thoughts as you look back andan around look ahed in april of 2021. Let me try to look ahead for a moment. I am moved very proud grandfather. I have a grandson of 15 named aaron and a granddaughter of 12 namedoi eloise and they are both incredibly special to me. I know theyig are the brightest kids in the world. I would love for this country to be as open and rich and its potential as p it was at differt stages of my life. What it always come in for all the others. We could also back and said you did a good job. The last word today its a good one. The book published by bookings process entitled assignment russia becoming a corresponded crucible of the cold war. Thank you so much for joining us today. Y. My pleasure mike, thank you and think. Parts are pleased to present you virtually for the National Press club coffee mug along with our hope youll join us again in person in the very near future. So thank you. Sparks book tv every sunday features leading authors discussing their latest nonfiction books. At noon eastern south republican senator tim scott talks about his book america redemption story on his life, political career and thoughts on americas future and 10 00 p. M. Eastern missouri congresswoman cori bush author of the forerunner discusses her life and advocacy work. 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