Transcripts For CSPAN2 Geek Girl Rising 20170604

Discuss their book geek girl rising. Heather is a woman at forbes contributor. Samantha walraven is a recognized speaker on women and works, a contributor to women at forbes, huffington post. Thank you. Thank you. Well, we really appreciate you coming out on a rainy night like this. Thats superexciting moment for us because first of all were in the same city, which we rarely are because i live in new york and sam live inside san francisco, but this really is the evening before pea geek girl rising colorado. Outside. So its a special moment for us and to tick things off, we are show you a book trailer first. Lets roll the video. I think that women now understand we are not going to get ahead unless we help each other to get ahead. I have a female manager and she is the one who handpicked me anded a vow caughts for me and pushes me beyond my leadership role currently. So women i know may not be able to work the typical nine to five job but this gives them an opportunity to work at home, travel to do Everything Else they want, as mother and also has a job. I dont think that be the gatekeeper of taking advantage of the amazing opportunities that technology affords. There are a enough white guy sharks and we need more women sharks. I have spoken to groups of all men and they dont necessary by get any problem. When i pitch to groups of all women, they allly see the value in and they see the passion i have for and it immediately their offered are, how ick help . The genesis of the project and how we met. I call myself a first generation Silicon Valley girl. So i worked in Silicon Valley in 1995, which is really before it right at the beginning of the when people started to use the internet for consumer use. When netscape was on, Microsoft Windows. And internet was primarily used for academia then and now used by regular, normal people for business and commerce, et cetera. So, i worked at pc World Magazine as a tech reporter and then i got the internet bug and went to work for a Silicon Valley safetyway startup, and i saw the rise and the fall of the. Com industry. In 1999 we went public. Stock shot up to 120. Within six months down to 2. So we were all ay and if then really poor. It was fin. I made some lasting, wonderful friendships during the time, and for me the inspiration was in 2013 i was having lunch with a girlfriend who has been in Silicon Valley, dot calm century dom come survivor by myself and the had been work neglect valley for 15 years and she is head of sales for a Software Company. She said i had a Performance Review and my manager told me even though my sales team hit the numbers out of the ballpark said ive been told by some people in your group and the company youre too aggressive and youre even abrasive. Mine toning it down a little bit . And by the way, your lipstick is too right and you wear too much julie. She was howeverred and didnt stay company very long. She said its unbelievable what women face in Silicon Valley. Such sexism and unconscious bias and you need to write about it. Said i wanted to interview a couple more people. So i started reaching out 0 too women in tech. Heather was working for yahoo and i said tell in the your story, have you faced this bias and discrimination . Has it been that bad . Id been out of the industry for a while. Heather says, ive been researching i was in Silicon Valley. She in new york she said she had been searching a similar topic for yahoo but it have Amazing Stories from female founders and i started to talk to people and got the stories as well, we do face sexism and theres in every industry women are facing this, but let me tell you about the Technology Im developing. The company that im building. Let me tell you about the positive stuff. A lot more positives than negative when it comes to women starting companies and working in tech. So thats the story we decided to tell. Heather was contributor to my first book torn which looked at women and work life intestinal we came together in 2013. Heather can tell her story. So, i had been in an abc news correspondent and then longtime reporter, and i had the wonderful opportunity to go to work for yahoo in 2007 at the dawn of the iphone and the app store and my job there was to cover digital lifestyles, essentially to look at how the internet was changing our daytoday lives, and to put together stories that i would then present on the today show and Good Morning America and i was the onair consumer spokesperson. Was an eyeopening experience, i kept meeting women who were starting companies and i thought to these women are really bad sass. Why is nobody telling their story . They were successful and they were so fearless and i knew that because i had worked on a documentary right out of grad school about the gender gap in tech back in the 90s. I enough it was a problem, and so i thought this is really interesting. Theres this landscape of women who are really doing well for themselves in spite hoff the sexism the fact its a mail dominated industry, and i wonder what is the secret sauce . What is it about them that has made them successful, hat actually enabled them to persist and what can we learn from them for our daughters. I have 11yearold girls, girl and a by, and sam has children. So i wanted to figure out from their backgrounds and their child their their childhood that kept them going and i started getting interviews who ben sam was interested the doing the same the kind of mining the same subculture, we realized we could cover so much more ground if we were working on two coasts, and what we were able to do, which was so cool, which was at the time there were so many tech hubs outside of Silicon Valley bubbling it and it allowed to us good out there and spread ourselves as despair wide as possible to track these women and get out of the coast and get into the middle of the country to find the stories, and so the book is to give you you saw the trailer. What we tried to do is first of all were writing for what i like to call the Good Morning America audience, mainstream audience and take them inside the subculture or women and tech. The book strives to connect the dots across the tech ecosystem, to take the audience to the front lines, where women are working at the Grassroots Level to close the gender gap in tech, and frankly to close the diversity gap in tech. The brock is in seven chapters and we profile activityis, entrepreneurs, investors, we profile women in companies that are trying to reinvent the culture of work. We take you to College Campuses and then inside classrooms and also inside the world of the toy industry, also trying to solve this problem. So we try to kind of, again, for a very mainstream audience that maybe they love tech and love their iphone but dont necessarily know about the industry or understand the challenges that women and people from diverse backgrounds face. We try to explain that for them and hopefully get them interested in being part of the digital revolution. I like to take a few minutes and talk about confidence and read at from the book from our confidence chapter. One Thing Holding women back in the tech sector and Many Industries is fear of failure. Now, has anyone here heard of the impostor syndrome . Any experience impost for syndrome and each and every day. That is the until aing feeling like im not good enough, im not smart enough. Everyone in the room is smarter. What am i doing here. Even Cheryl Sandberg feels that to this de, after all her accomplishments. The chapter is the confidence chapter, and the woman im going to read to you about her name is don that and she is currently a head engineer at microsoft, and she talks about fearing failure but not just fearing failure but actually failing shift failed her first Computer Scienceclass in college at the university of michigan and went on to become a Head Software engineer at microsoft. So, if i may ill read from the chapter. Give you a flavor of the book. Its call dream it, do it, own, it confidence coaches. Donna was wearing leopard and opening it. Was midnight in joined seattle and the renaissance woman was in the element on her page. She was hosting the worlds first holoharc a 48 hour brainstorming session for techies, artists and sound engineers to try to make the first app for microsofts augmented reality device that allows hollow grandmothers to leap from clutter screens into real life and be manipulated with the swipe of a finger. At 36 years old donna is a hardware geek and Fashion Designer and a novellest. She is a rising star at microsoft. Its hard to believe that she failed her first Computer Science class. But she did. And her story of resilience is one she tells often as she travels the country, inspiring young women to charge ahead in their engineering studies and hang on the their job in the mail dominated job of tech. As a longtime developer for the windows operating system she likes to think of tech as the invisible fairly godmother who makes things happen and in june 2016 she was oversawing Microsoft Windows insider problem which gives feedback. She microsoft is a legendary Software Company and being a principle level woman here really is a huge eye achievement. She says. When i was growing up in detroit, if someone told me youre going to make a really, really, really good salary working as microsoft at senior person i would have just hysterically laughed. She didnt know anyone like the woman she would become. She grew up in downtown detroit, where her parents worked in the auto industry, ran a small dress shop im are so her grandmother, seem stress, and Fashion Designer, ran a small dress shop for 50 years. The computer lab at donnas inner City High School consist overred ancient pcs and and a clique of teenage boys who laughed her out of the room when she approached them about joining the Computer Club if has been fascinated by computers ever since she laid eyes to the old macinatin her classroom. Her father followed all of the news of the Tech Industry and encouraged donna to pursue computing and thought the new industry was not a entrenched at bank and law and his daughter might have a better shot at life. She signed up for a coding tequilas at a Community College while the was in high school but was not enough to prepare for for Computer Science 100. The intro class at university of michigan which crams seven complex concepts into the first semester. Her classmates took ap science in high school, were speaking a Foreign Language as they paired up for assignmented. Would listen to them all the time and they would say god i cant believe how easy this stuff is and im like, me issue dont know any of is. I dont know it at all. Dont even know what this word means. What arebits. What are gates . And the teach were talk and the guys are like, we already know this, move on. Donna failed the course because she was too embarrassed to ask questions. She didnt want anyone to think she was an airhead and resolved to mettle through it on her own. She started thinking about dropping her Computer Science major and then started thinking how she learned to ride her bike and would skin her knees, and she would cry a lot and view never to do it again only to get back in the saddle. She went to a kite science class again and got a b. She said it was better and i realizes i learned could i do. It was suddenly validated. Just needed to be exposed to it twice, just like the guy. If they only got Computer Science on the first time. This message is you cant give up or your goals because it didnt work out the first time. Thats like saying, i ran in a race intending to win first place but came in second so i quit running. Its so funny. The conceptes so weird. People dont go for things unless theyre guaranteed success. I believe if you get 50 of the way, thats far Better Success than zero percent of the way. Love her. [applause] love donna. Amazing. Thank you for reading that passage. I think its really important to point out people have asked us, why did you choose certain people to be in the book. One thing that we have said as we have interviewed there are countless numbers of stories. So many women who we could have put in the book and reason why we launched or digital platform was to launch the stories. Thats a visibility gap in tech. One reason we chose donna is not only does she have a super compelling story about failure and then becoming incredibly successful but also a Fashion Designer, a writer, she is a maker. She is really kind of the opposite of the stereo type that you think of who works in technology and i love that about her, she just really kind of crushes that stereo type, and that was really important to us as we were meeting different women from all different backgrounds. From all over the country so see how creative and collaborative not only their jobs are but how they are in their lives, and a big goal for us was to try to choose people that we felt others out in our audience would hopefully feel a connection to ins in some way and disspell the misconception of working in tech and often times people assume its lonely, cold, not collaborative. These are things you hear from young girls but what we found was so many of these women that we met is that was they complete opposite. They were super creative, arties, they care about fashion. They had families. They have these incredibly multifaceted lives and their jobs very collaborative. That was a big point for news term offed the message we wanted to get out in hope offed maybe Inspiring Women to maybe think twice about going into these types of careers. To see the breath and depth of the kind of people who work in these jobs, and how interesting they are. Has anyone here ever seen the hbo show Silicon Valley . Its hilarious but very, very stereotyped. Theres a hacker house, the computer genius, the coder guy, richard help trix, the ceo and founder of pied piper. The tech company. So i spent a week in Silicon Valley, in menlo park at aning a set railer called the womens startup lab. I spent a week at a hacker house with eight female founders who were technology founders, living in a headquarters house, and the real using the hacker house and the interesting thing learned researching the book is that female entrepreneurers in tech dope look like Richard Hendricks and adopted look like the programmer type you hear about in the media. They were from all over the country, one woman in particular was named kerry from santa fe, new mexico and has who kid at home and she said this is the first time ive been able to breath wrought any children all over. She wants to start the airbnb of baby equipment. So when you visit your parents Cross Country and you traveling and you have the strollers and cribs and toy to car you dent have. To you can go from one state to the other and rent the equipment. She okayed it was the first time could i breathe and focus on my company with seven a entrepreneurs and she spent the work workshopping and training and learning basically building her pitch deck to go out and pitch investors for capital to scale her business. So i met kerry and spent the week with her and other entrepreneurs and its about building a network. You hear about the loneliness. Its not. These women wore working together, interesting introduced to investors and mentors. Shot got home and her husband said, who are you . Where is the old kerry . This is the new kerry. So confidence and also met fran meier, a founder of match. Com, one of the adviserred at the womans startup lab, and she and frap frap saw her vision and said, kerry, want to partner with you, take your vision, scale it, make it into a billion dollar company. Now fran meier is her cofounder and ceo and actually kerry, the techy one, the cpo, and they have pred he company now interest 40 different markets in the country, and its booming. So, again, going back to the collaboration, the sisterhood of finding people to help you not to just scale your business but to build that confidence that you can do it. Youre not alone or have this network of support. Certainly one of the things we address in the book, we devote a whole chapter to entrepreneurs and also to investors, is the fact that women founders who are trying to Scale Companies have a hard time raising money so one thing that we look at is how female investors are now starting to come into play, whether its threw seed money, angel investing and also we profile some theres a handful of female Venture Capitalists and we actually were able to get inside the world and neat them and get a sense of what its like to be one of the rare general partners in a Silicon Valley Venture Capital firm, and the network is really a key point here, because men have always had the boys club, and what these women are trying to do is not only to try to start a company, which is the hardest thing ever, but theyre trying to break into the boys club and so in terms of raising money. So what we found going back to the network was the value there in how they were able to help each other meet the right person, make the right introduction. In the first chapter we talk about underground secret handshake societies bubbling up, whether its list serve order meetups. Women are coming together and saving we cant get in the traditional way, well make our own way. That was a major theme of the book, and thats also why we wanted to focus on what was happening at the Grassroots Level. A story that had not been told yet and we felt like the focus so much in the main stream media has been on rightly so on the entrenched sexism in the Tech Industry which certainly does need to change, but at the same time we felt like theres some hope there. When you look at the strides a lot of these women have made on their own by creating their own networks, its pretty impressive and i thick its real and i think its really inspiring. One of my favorite stories if on entrepreneur, shana, in san francisco. She talked about the boys club and never felled part of. She is anen entrepreneur and graduated started off her company while she was in grad school at carnegie melon and it was called wild pockets, pd Gaming Platform that built tools to help other gamers build their games, and some launched the company and sold to auto desk in 2012 25. Very young. A rock star. And she went to work for Google Ventures and said that was the first time she realized what a boys club in Silicon Valley was. When she started her First Company she was so heads down, building her product, getting money, getting financing and launching her company. So when she got goggle venture she realized theres so few women coming to pick their company for invest she went become, started her second company, which is now working on, called mod seed, super cool 3d virtual amendment environment where you can walk around a room and its for home designs. You can take basically four picture of your living room, from four corners of the room, send it into mod seed. They make a 3d model of the room that looks look your room and give you different design concepts. So nothing lower do you have to pull the samples, bring them become, put the rug down, bring the founder in, dont like it and ship it back, and you can do this and Walking Around like an avatar on your computer. So supercool. She has raised 11 million decide now. She started this project, talking about girls club. Theres so many interesting founders and investors she met along the way. She wanted to invite everybody to park city, utah, every year they have this festival called the thin air innovation festival, and takes place in sign its sunny, on the slopes in park city, and she brought a group of investor friends and entrepreneur friends and other advisers for this boondoggle, four day trip where the skid and had fun and networked and one other entrepreneur, joanne who was friend of hers, joanna said i feel guilty should be home with the codes and working on my company. Shana says the guys play golf, they go on these boondoggle ski trips. Come on, is this the girls club and she does every year now to build her network, and a lot of business happens over beers, after, who, or happens on the slopes or the golf course, and so she is actually doing her own grassroots girls club and this is what we saw throughout the book and throughout our journey, interviewing women 250 women, they were really make paving their own paths, creating opportunities where even beyond networking but to actually establish authentic relationships with each other that ultimately could turn into business relationships. Shelly in the first chapter started something called the girls lounge which a salon actor popup salon, and these mail dominated tech conferences and business conferenced around the world now, and it was most famous for the first one which was at ces, and basically she creates a comfortable place for women to come and hang out when their at these business events where theyre the only ones there and its an amazing place to see these women not only bonding but actually doing business as well, and her belief is that women need more opportunities to be able to collaborate. She is trying to disdispel the motion women have to be competitive. And she did an entire panel devoted to something call the shine their riff which is the idea if you surround yourself with women who are successful, that you yourself will be successful as well. Its like if i shine, you shine. Thats her man attachment think we saw that throughout. Wherever we were, whether it was in chattanooga, tennessee, or pittsburgh, or seattle, or los angeles. There seemed to be this mandate for women to lift each other up. I remember when we went to the grace hopper conference, we went early on in our reporting, when he sold the book proposal, we went to houston and we spent a few days at the grace hopper celebration of women and computer, which is the largest gathering of female technologists in the world. So all these woman who are used to being the only one in the room theyre there with 15,000 women from all over the world. It was one of the first time that researchers have actually highlighted them. Its not just enough that they press and interest the big issue is persisting through that. We went to grays harbor because it is one of the schools that actually pays for freshman women to go to grays harbor. And they do that. You can see there is other women like them. They actually get role models that are relatable to them. These young women were craving opportunity they are not necessarily relatable. If you like its so far away. They needed chance to meet real women that are in the field. They also need to see action for that. It is such a fantastic example for that. It was ultimately why we were there. It was an amazing opportunity when we went back to. It is a play of the word c . Thats where you start your science. The Owner Network that include it. In the sociology. The very day Group Diverse group of women. More so they have a program called the c Ambassador Program what they were doing was they were paying it forward. We saw this a lot in our research. What the program does is they go off to different communities around the United States and they find a Young High School girls who are interested in engineering with the scion technology. I want you to start a program in your local community that inspires other kids to get involved in this. He started and robotics program. She is there with a couple of other mentors in High School Girls with the closest high school to us. And they work with these young girls. And its free and its on sundays and these girls come and they are learning how to build robots. A really important thing to remember is that these communities and networks of women are not just there for each other its like changing the way we live. I think they are really best in them. We certainly saw that across the country. We have a chance to follow students and teaching them the various skills and not just Computer Science and stem in general and the big thing we took away from that was that they also this is the way they bonded. They were invested in helping the next generation. They were solidifying their relationships so the as that as they graduate and go on to that they still had ties to the students of a left behind. What were seen as they move on and on relationships become incredibly helpful. The network. It really comes down to having a network we are happy to take some questions. What was the most interesting thing that you learned. The whole thing that has been a learning process. Silicon valley where i am was really growing up. All of the twentysomethings that started that in the past ten years are now in their 30s and they are having kids. They have paid leave and work life policy that really accommodates the working parents and employees who are caring for aging parents. One of them that we had profiled they started her Company Alongside her husband in 2006 with the intent to create a Workplace Culture that values the whole person not just the employee. You might need to take care of your own health. And they offer what they call take the time you need a policy basically paid leave whenever you need it. That was a big change from when i was working in Silicon Valley and i had babies and the only bathroom we have for pumping when my baby needed milk was a cold bathroom and an outdoor bathroom. Freezing cold. I was sitting there with pump in style. They would knock on the doors everything okay there. Now you go to an event like this. They really care about it. It is certainly a shining example that is hopefully setting an example for other companies. I was just gonna say the biggest take away for me that i had tried to apply to my own. When you have an idea and you went for it. Given idea in the back your head and then you say forget about it and then you might write it down. Where you worry that is not fully formed. Or you worry this has been ready for prime time yet. I think for me certainly in the process of working on this book sometimes you just head to get it down. If you dont put it out there you never are going to do it. And time and time again we saw this with the different women whether they worked on it on the side and they have a fulltime job it was a side hustle. Or they found a group of friends and they would they would talk about it and they would find people who had expertise. They didnt let the fact that they didnt have all the answers stop them from moving forward. I do get think its such an important life lesson for anybody regardless of whether you are starting a company or writing a book or starting a nonprofit or a Neighborhood Group or whatever it is. If you have the desire to do something to let the fact that its not fully formed or perfect hold you back from doing it. Because you wont regret it later. Thats really what i took away from the chance to meet all of these amazing people. You have to feel alone if youre a woman in technology or any industry where its maledominated. If you cant find your posse or your tribe go build your own. Theres no reason to feel like you are on your own in this world. Theres no reason to feel like you are on your own in this world. Where were some of the other places that you visited throughout the country i think everybody thinks up Silicon Valley when they think of this. Where were some of the other places that you went and do you think places outside of the normal spots for tech are easier for women or do you see one is becoming more dominant in the future. In my personal opinion i have heard people say that the access is shifting. It is such a great example. While it is very engineering centric places like new york you had founders that are coming from wall street with incredible expertise and there is not a bias against them. When you hear about the valley when they are pitching in the Venture Capitalist. Do you have a technical background. When you talk to entrepreneurs it does feel like outside of the valley there is a little bit more of an openness towards other types of expertise when youre building a product. You need all kinds of expertise. You can hire someone to do that. And so certainly i think we see that here. I the opportunity to spend time in chattanooga tennessee which you would not expect but it is a hotbed of startup activity and feminism which is unexpected and fun. When you are in a place that is a new tech hub. You can write your own story. And i think thats really cool. I think thats what you are seeing places like detroit and cleveland and pittsburgh these hubs that are popping up around the country. There are more diverse founders that are working in some of these places. They are not immediately dismissed because they dont have the technical degree. That bias towards those people that didnt graduate from stanford. Its more about ideas and execution frankly. Two really unusual places. One is in south la. She started a conch cup dash mike company that connects designers with manufacturers so if you have a designer and you dont know where to get your product made she makes that connection online. It is an urban economic accelerator program. Hometown. She tried help give us some life some life into her economy because this is the job. The other place that is interesting is the trade. From detroit and calls herself the mark zuckerberg. Interesting in this. There is all of this activity around entrepreneurs. Friends are popping up to try to get some of this talent into the Tech Industry. And to get them to work in tech and start tech jobs. Are you seen more and more women who are going into this industry from other industries who dont have those backgrounds. Certainly among entrepreneurs. And there are a lot of reasons for that. They are not necessarily a technical who are starting these companies. It is aol backed fund. She talked us is about the fact that when it came online and when you suddenly had this opportunity for people to be able to use this. To be able to build a prototype youre not having to raise millions of dollars or be affiliated with a university. It didnt take millions of dollars to build that. You could build it for a couple of thousand dollars. Once the cost started coming down and it really changed up the ability for anybody to be able to get into this world and opened the gates for people coming and a Business School are people coming from media or wall street or other industries that had this idea but didnt have that engineering background. That is a really interesting shift. It really only happens post iphone. I think many of the founders that we spoke to have technical backgrounds but they would find that. Its starting a Company Called advocate. Whether they are drug addicts or alcohol addiction. She is no a technical background but she have this problem. She tried it herself. And it didnt work for her. She didnt feel that spiritual connection. They can find a connection with other people who are in recovery and it is intelligence based. The common theme i think they had is that they have passion and there is a problem they are trying to sell. There are so theyre so passionate about solving that that they will go to any means to get this problem solved. I have the chance last week to sit down with the chief operated officer. And going headtohead with them. And she was saying if you dont love what youre doing if you absolutely dont believe that your put on this earth to solve this problem you will never succeed. It is so hard. Its so hard to be an entrepreneur. Three quarters of them fail. Dont start a company just to start a company. Because you really care about this problem that youre trying to solve. You really believe in it. The sacrifices are so extreme. If you dont have that passion youre not going to be successful. It is a Cyber Security company she have a great quote. Entrepreneurship is a roller coaster ride but people pay to get on roller coasters. Having read all of these stories what would you say are some of the things of is seen as a piece of advice that you could share with us. Definitely just start. If you have an idea go for it. Dont let being a woman or a nontraditional founder stand in your way either. The idea of perfection. In realizing that task is inherently about in a ration. About testing and trial and error. They will ship products with bugs in them. And then they do another version. It is kind of baked into the culture. I think its really important to realize that that thats part of the products process. If you stumble if you get rejected if the first version isnt what you thought i was to be. Its what sam started. You have to keep going. I would say that as is a common theme among all of these whether they were entrepreneurs investors activists all of them seem to have that quality that they could live with themselves if they made a mistake or if they stumbled. They just kept going. Its a big take away for me also. Something else i learned. Its a program that teaches girls to program she said something really great we raise our boys to be brave and fearless we raise our girls to be perfect. And compliant and wellliked. We have to teach our girls to be fearless, two be bold its okay to be messy its okay to get our hands dirty. Boys will raise their hands and they have no answer in their head. And they dont care. Girls had to be so prepared to raise their hand. As for raising the next generation i think that something for us to think about. What is the message that we are giving our girls about trying and failing and getting our hands dirty and making mistakes. Into rating and learning from our mistakes and moving forward. That was a huge message for me. Move on and learn from your mistakes and move forward. Its great. As a son. That reminds me a lot of the book the curse of the good girl. Thats exactly what youre saying. It sounds like its part two of that book. In some answers about how to get around it. Where does that have it. It was just an incredibly gendered experience and i didnt have a language for client that. Where does that idea start. Why do what do you think of tax as male. Is it as simple as role models. We both had the opportunity to interview engineers from other countries. And you talk to summary from russia for example. And israel. Its very much a western thing. It comes out of the 1950s. Unfortunately all of these perpetuate these stereotypes. Its one of the reasons why you have so few women. Everybody talks about seven. It is engineering and computing specifically where you have this gap. I feel like in our research certainly found that the media plays a huge role in the fact that they were marketing personal computers to men. The first video games that were out they were all of these kind of shoot them up they didnt had stories. Because that was one of the only games that we profiled the people is one of the first games that have a narrative. There was a story to. In goldilocks in a lot of ways that was actually the vision for goldilocks. And realizing that girls and boys we are different. We are interested in different things. Its okay to try to appeal to us in different ways. I feel like these are very hard to overcome the societal expectations of what we are supposed to be. I really hope this emphasis now on women in technology i really do hope that its now part of that i really hope it goes a long way to saying that. The stem and how other sciences are taught. Everybody has to take their biology. It is less of a gender is not required courses. It could be meter Computer Science for all of this. It has been rolled out in Chicago Public schools. I think that is going to make a big difference. I had one other point to add to that. With the opportunity to interview somebody since the obama ministration has now left and questions about what will happen with that initiative a lot of the people that were involved are still working on it. What i was told and it was so interesting they were able to get the College Board to create a new Computer Science ap exam. The original one was only java. The new test is a survey course. You are learning a programming linkage. The implications of what you are learning. I believe that there were 55,000 kids that actually took it. They took it this year. I dont remember the exact percentage of growth but it was much greater than the original Computer Science exam. A lot of it was about the college they were showing them how they affect our lives. The impact of it. Is not just learning a language appealing that they do like to feel connected to the rest of the world. We do enjoy that. And its important for us to understand. You want to make that connection between what you are learning and how you actually apply it. Its just at the beginning of this. I cant wait to see what happens in ten to 15 years and thats what we wrote the book. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Look to be tapes hundreds of other programs throughout the country all year long. Heres a look at some of the events we will be covering this week. We are headed to New York University to hear center for Global Policy senior senior fellow discuss his book how to be a muslim. We are in the Nations Capital at the synagogue where the Bookings Institution will examine the class divide in america. We will be on the campus of campus samford university. We will explore the potential for war between the United States in china. Thursday we are at the marines at memorial theater in san francisco, california where the grand master will look at how official intelligence is impacting humans. And this week and we are life on both saturday and writing from chicago at the 2,017th role it fast. The National Book award winner. The Georgetown University professor. The 2017 Pulitzer Prize winner. In the former florida congressman trey rado. The as a look at some of the events book tv will be covering this week. Many of these events are open to the public. Look for them to air in the near future on book tv on cspan two. Let me start up off with a fantasy i had head. It involves i have overpowered his elite guard ive fought my way into a secret bunker his cyanide pill that he keeps to commit suicide. He smiles at me. He comes at me in a rage we wrestle and manage to pin him down and put handcuffs on him. And then say enough hitler i arrest you for crimes against