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Join us live next weekend to discuss all of her books and take your questions. That all happens tonight on cspan2s booktv. Former new York City Police officer steve osborn is next. Talks about some of the experiences he had throughout his career. Our you doing. My name is steve osborn. I used to be in new york city cop for 20 years and years, the accent is real. The funny thing is a didnt know i had an accent and a liking to savannah. I was a cop for 20 years and became a writer. People ask me how do you go from being a cop to a writer . I dont like telling this story especially at a book festival with all the writers because they want to strangle me. A happened by accident. After retiring from the Police Department my life went from the fast lane to the slow lane and all of a sudden i have all this time on my hands. When you are caught, like a real cop and living that life you have no life. Working aroundtheclock, working nights, we cans, holidays, and never home. Then all of a sudden i am retired and sitting there staring at the wall. First thing i did was move the sofa where from there to there. My wife says to me, she goes with you doing . She goes you havent been home in ten years. Put that sofa back where it was. So i did. So now i am sitting there and kind of bored and i dont know why. I guess everybody has that little voice in the back of their head that whispers in their ear what to do. The same voice that kept me say if all of those years, watch out for this guy and that guy. That seem little voice whispering in my ear to write. So i grabbed a pad and pen and rose a story. A short story. 12 pages about something that happened to me on the job. After i wrote this thing i am looking at what now . What do i do with this now . Highhanded this to family and friends. I just wrote this comedy mind reading it and tell me what you think . They read it and they were like we didnt know you could write. For we did know you were that smart. But the love that. So iowa is kind of surprised, taken aback. So i rose another one and i handed it out and everybody read it and they loved it. So i wrote another one and the first one had in crime, second one had laughing supply rose 1 3 one and had and crying again. So i had these stories and i was just doing it to kill time. I didnt know what to do now. What do i do now . And wasting my time . It felt good to write. Hard to explain the actual act of writing and putting those stories and my thoughts and feelings on paper, it stirred something in my soul. It was when a and 3 00 in the morning i would be out on patrol. This was where i was supposed to be. I was not supposed to be home in bed sleeping, watching a movie with the white. I was supposed to be out on patrol at 3 00 in the morning chasing bad guys. It stirred something in my soul. So i had these stories and everybody was telling me they liked it but being that caught your cynical, you are skeptical. I figured family and friends retelling the what i want to hear but i had a friend who was the writer, a real writer, she wrote a bestseller, television show, movie so she knew what she was talking about. I called corruption said read this and tell me if it is any good. If it is no good and will offer the computer out the window and start a garden or something, i dont know what. Says she read it and gets back to me and she goes this is pretty good. A little rough around the edges did it as the polish debt but she said this is pretty good. So i kept writing, wrote another story. And year later she calls me up and tells me she is doing this show called the loss. Ever heard of that . What a great organization. For those that dont know, the moth is a group where you get up on stage and regular people tell a real story about their life. So they had this show and in 1904 they had a cop who was scheduled to appear and he had to bailout and now they are stuck so he has my friend dean know anybody who can fill in . Maybe. Sure enough she calls me, the universe works in mysterious ways. She calls me up and tells me about this so i pitch the story over the phone next night, i met the players club, i thought this was going to be in the basement of a church, couple people sitting around the length like this for applause. I show up at the players club and our 300 people there. I was never so scared in my whole life. I was involved every year is in thousands of arrests. This was the scariest thing i ever had to do. I wanted to run out the door. I told the producer i would rather be chasing a guy with a gun down a dark alley. Didnt get up on that stage. When i got up there, not for nothing, blew the roof of the join, everyone liked it and i was alone nervous because the theme of the show was crimes and misdemeanors and the speaker before me all had the stories, one guy did 20 years for murder he didnt commit. Another guy was a defense attorney talking about how screwed up the criminal Justice System was and my friend gets up and tells how she got arrested at the Republican National convention by some less than friendly writeoffs and you could use a bologna sandwich as a pillow. I was seeing i was dead meat so i got up there, told the story and they loved it. I thought that was the end of it. Two weeks later they called me and said we are going on a nationwide tour and we want to bring you. Next thing i know i am in l. A. In front of 2400 people. That is what i said. I am not doing that. But i did, we went to seattle, san francisco, denver, giving urged me to keep writing so i wrote some more stories. Then they put me on npr radio and goes after 200 radio stations, one day i get a call from an editor who says i just saw your stuff, i think it is imperative you write a book. I think you are right. So before i got up and told the stories i would write the amount. Helped me flesh the stories out in my head so i told from maybe i have half of one of first draft stuff, so he goes and it to me. I say it is first draft stuff. It is still kind of i had never written anything before. I didnt know if it was really worrying so i sent it to him and three days later he calls me up and says you got an agent . Just so happened that i did. And agent had heard me on npr radio couple weeks before, i would like to represent you. When i told him im like writing short stories, i enjoy that. s life is a series of short stories. When you go out on patrol i mental 10, 15, 20 jobs in the night and every job is a story. It has a beginning, middle and end, a as different characters, different dialogue, different consequences so a cars life is really a series of short stories and that is what i felt comfortable writing but my agent told me shortstory is our not the way to go. People dont go for that. He wanted me to write a memoir and i thought about it and im like that feeling, that will voice wasnt working. I did not want to do that. So my agent and i didnt talk for a couple months, then all of a sudden the editor from doubleday calls me up and offered me a contract. I call the agent, check your email, we have a contract but that i had to finish the book. Which wasnt that tough. I kept reading and writing and finished a book and to wasnt as hard. I did enjoy it. Every cop out there had great stories. It is the nature of the job. Every night your involved in peoples lives during crisis. After doing that for 20 years you got a million stories. Not everybody can write it and put it on paper. So i wrote the book flitch as i was writing it, through some of the stories i was afraid, nobody is going to believe this is the are going to think i am making this stuff up. I wrote one story about a busy night i ahead, four our period, really in a four our period i had a 174yearold kid shot, two women stabbed in a family dispute that went for easy and the 24yearold kid fall out of fourth floor window at a party end right before he hit the ground could the back of his head on a fire hydrant. I was on my hands and knees and talked to him while he died. And after is that i looked at my watch and i am like all of that happened in four hours, nobody is going to believe this but it is true and that is a cops life and the next night was probably a quiet night, nothing memorable. Every night when you go to work you do not know what is going to happen from one minute to the next. As i got towards the end of the book there was one story that had to be written and i didnt want to write about it, i didnt feel in need to write about it. I felt very selfconscious writing about it but it was about 911. If i did not write about it, it would have been a big hole in the book and when i started writing about it, first couple days i dont remember much, but a blur to me. When i hooked up with guys that were with me at the time they say is the same thing, they remember something very vividly, i have no recollection. I remember something very vividly, as eckenfelder member but all of us still first couple days it is kind of a blur. And after that i was working 12 hours on, 12 hours off for the next two months and my unit was in the Detective Bureau so we got assigned to the morgue and our job was to identify the remains coming in and i couldnt write about what i saw and what we did. Those were peoples families, family members, i couldnt write about it. But i think i wrote about my feelings and how i dealt with it and you get a pretty good picture of what happened. You might find it hard to believe but there was one funny story about 9 11. You might find it hard to believe, but i was assigned to the morgue. My fringes 80yearold mother called my house, no one had seen or heard from me in weeks. I was down there every day so my friend adds 80yearold mother called my wife and said hello stephen doing, and she goes steven isnt but mortgage. Fell [laughter] she was a little hard of hearing too. But she got that much. And she is like oh i am so sorry and my wife is like no, it is okay. A lot of lives dont know where their husbands are. At least i know where he is. From there the story gets a little blurry, we dont know how it spread it spread. And there was this one bar in jersey shore i used to hang out in. I knew all the guys there and they heard that i was in the morgue. None of the new my wife so nobody felt comfortable calling my house to find out what the arrangements were going to be. They figured they would just hear about it sooner or later. So this goes on, finally after two months i get a couple days off and i am like tiny ad year. I walked into the front door of a bar and it was like they saw a ghost. Before doing this i never wrote anything. I hated writing. In the Police Department use to write reports and he did writing the. I kept writing to a minimum. A lot of guys used to dress their reports up with a lot of big words. I kept mine very basic and simple. I didnt like it is even when i was a kid, i was not a good student in school. On my best day. I dont know if anybody went to Catholic School that sister kathleen used to beat the crap out of me on a regular basis and remind me that i wasnt going to amount to nothing. I wish she could see me now. So writing was never on my radar. And when i was writing ive found it funny, i kind of enjoyed looking at some stupid things i did like the dumb things you do as a rookie like chasing a guy down the subway tunnel the just did a robbery. Why did nothing to train might be coming . At the time the adrenalin is pumping, i just i dont know, doing really think of the likely event that a train was going to come but i am still here to talk about it. When i was a kid my father was a cop and i guess i got that where learned about the job from the inside out. I thought it through him. And he worked in a precinct not far from our house and sometimes my mother would making dinner and say bring this up and i would drive up there and bring him dinner and wouldnt leave. I would state in the station house, sitting behind the desk with the desk sergeant and people are coming in telling their sad stories and heres a 12yearold kid sitting behind a sergeant listening to every word and i am thinking this is the life for me and this is what i really want to do in swing his buddies would come around the house they were the coolest guys in the world. They were real men and i wanted to be just like themselves from a kid i knew i never wanted to be a doctor, never wanted to be a lawyer or an astronaut, i wanted to be the guy standing of a dead guy in the middle of the street trying to figure out who killed himself really had no choice, so writing kind of took me by surprise. 20 years of police work, gives you plenty to write about. Sometimes writers get mad at me, this will ridings in this happen by accident but i paid my dues, 20 years out in the street in new york city you pay your dues and i didnt know it at the time, that is where i was doing my research, in the back of my head i was recording all these things that i saw and all these things that i did and it gave me plenty of stuff to write about. I guess i feel lucky. I feel lucky because when you write like that, it stirs something in your soul, it gives you once you leave the Police Department my life was in the end writing filled the void. It was good to think back because you forget all the things you did. I worked a lot of busy places and i remembered being a desk sergeant in this busy precincts. The neighborhood was insane. My first night i is looking in the desk and the building was falling down, and increasing, falling down, cracked walls, peeling paint and the front door flies open and this guy comes running through the front door covered in blood and another guy chasing him with the height. I am jumping over the task, we are wrestling, fighting, trying to get the pipe off of him as an it was two home as guys across the street to jim king for a beer and one guy to the biggest than the other guy. Two hours later i am sitting on the desk again just looking at this big piece of peeling king tweeting ford to fall down and the front doors burst open again and some guy with bagpipes comes bursting into the front door of the station house, does a couple of laps, plays some song like out of brave heart. I am looking at him and all of a sudden you hear the bagpipes fading away and im like i love this job. I really do. I love this job. This is the greatest job in the world. I am sure a lot of people have questions and if you want i can take a few questions from you. Cant you come up to the microphone . You have to come as to the microphone. Ask you a question. I am from new york so where is the ninth precinct . Lower east side. To fourteenth st. Broadway to the east river. Chief pafford and i was there during that 80s and 90s when york city was the wild west. I go there now land dont recognize the place. Keep going. How has the neighborhood changed when you were very . And if you could tell us the writing was therapeutic for you if any one of these stories was really hoping to work through one thing that happened. And the funniest one. New york change like you cant imagine like the lower east side. When i was down there it was like the wild west. Street i used to walk down in with a gun in my coat pocket because it was so dangerous, now there are a little cafes out there. People are sitting there lattes. Moms are going to parks that were a war zones, now they are pushing baby carriages. Writing was therapeutic. There are a lot of funny stories but a lot of sad stories. You would think the book would be filled with action ended venture, there are couple stories where guys full guns on me and i had a gun in my face and fighting for my life and also good stories. I enjoy them. [laughter] but it is the stories about people, about being in peoples lives, the interaction between two human beings. You would think the first story that i wrote would be some big car chase with shots fired or homicide or Something Like that but it wasnt. I dont know why, but the first story i wrote was the first time i had to tell a parent that their child was dead. And their child was in the room, she had been dead for a few days and her body was badly decomposed and mom wanted to go into that room. She was not going to leave for child was dead until she saw the body and i couldnt let that happen and i was the rookie at the time, i was 25 years old. This was not my job. Somebody else, the detective, the sergeant that there was nobody available. It was sunday morning, had to be done now and it fell upon me. In police work, especially when you are of a young cop, you are confronted with difficult situations a you got to rise to the occasion. You are in these peoples lives doing the most difficult time in their life and you have to rise to the occasion and i dont know how i did it. We were in the hallway and i sat her down on the steps and didnt know what to say. I kind of stopped thinking about what to say and started feeling and i knelt in front of her and took her hands in mind, looked like i was proposing marriage or something and i took her hands in line and convinced her is that it was best to remember her daughter the way she was and not the way she is. And it worked and when i walked into that building that morning i was 25 years old, but a couple hours later when i walked out i felt i had grown, i had matured and become more the top i wanted to be. Next question . [applause] do you miss it . Actual work . And does writing the audit give you a chance to do it again . Yes, i do miss it. We always say you miss the guys. Other cops, they become like family to you. You go through these incredible adventures with these guys. My life depends on my partner and my Partners Life depends on me and theres a bond there. I will meet guys now that i know from 30 years ago and we are still friends. We still have that bond because we went through something most people dont. My life depended on him being there when the whole world turned to crack at his life depended on mine. You develop friendships, you develop blondes the last forever. I still have one of my first partnerss, we still hang out together all the time so i miss the guys. I miss the adventure. I always say new york city cop was my life of adventure and i do miss that. You could ride the crazies rollercoaster in the world, you wont get that adrenaline rush. Is like being a Fighter Pilot and then you go work for united airlines. You still fly, but it is just not the same. So i do miss that part. And i am yankees fan. Welcome to savannah, by the way. What was your opinion on stop and frisk. Did it work and should we keep doing it . I knew somebody was going to ask me that question. I knew it. The one thing i will say is stop and frisk works. What happened was in the old days guys would be walking down the street with guns in their waistbands. Somebody would step on somebody elses shoe, someone would look at somebody the wrong way, walked down a block you are not supposed to walk down and next thing you know they are whipping out guns like it is dodds city and shooting the place up. What happened was with stop and frisk we were going out and stopping a lot of people. Furrowing that up on the wall and frisking them and right away all the bad guys in the street new you cant go Walking Around with your gun in the waistband because theres a chance youre going to get stopped tonight so they had to leave their gun homes the night someone looks you the wrong way or steps on your shoes, like we right there, i will be right back. They had to go home and get his gun and half the time by the time he got back the other guy was gone or the whole situation just defused but yes, stop and frisk did work. We went from being back in the 80s like a reactive Police Department, we would respond to crimes, take reports and try to make an arrest and we went from reactive to proactive where we were trying to prevent crimes and i tell you the truth, if you asked me that in the 80s or 90s if murder could have been reduced by 85 , major crimes by 80 by what has said you were nuts. Never would have believed in a million years. I would not think it was possible but it was done and it was done because of a more proactive approach to policeing. [applause] i worked in new york city on Williams Street for six years. I came down here and sought this watch, a copy of a middle, the first cop killed in new york city and in 1909, the yankees said this will be as. Do you know that . I didnt know that. Rudy giuliani gave credit, is given credit for cleaning up the city. To your knowledge, your thoughts on it and was he really contributing to keep new york city much safer than it was . How safe is new york city now . With the like Rudy Guiliani and not you have to give credit where credit is due. Before that, like i said, we just a carports and watched crime go up and it took somebody, took a leader to say we could do something about this. Doesnt have to be like this. Back then you couldnt leave a brown paper bag in your car without somebody breaking into it to see what was in there. And it just took back then we had 40,000 cops, we had an army and they always knew we could do something about it but somebody had to be discharged. With a you like him or dont like him you have to give credit where credit is due and he showed something could be done and after that, mayors and Police Commissioners after that followed suit and now new york city, some of the neighborhoods i used to work in world war zones. It was insane. One time my wife calls me up in my office, i was working in the bronx talking to her on the phone and she is complaining about the bills, the credit card bills and right outside my Office Window there is a driveby shooting on the station house block, gunshots echoing for my Office Window and i am covering the phone, dont want her to hear it because she will go nuts wary and i tell her i got to go, i got to go and she is telling me you dont understand, they the bills are killing us this month. Something else got killed down the block. But i couldnt tell her is that. I made some excuse to get off the phone and next thing i know i am running down the street gun in hand into who knows what. But back then, we went from 2300 homicides to around 300. It is incredible the reduction in crime. I am proud to say i was there. I was part of along with the other cops and i watched it happen and it was incredible to watch. I was at a Christmas Party at one of my old commands and talking to all these young cops. I am the old, now and i was talking to a cop who does the crime analysis and i say how many robberies are you doing a month these days . You could always tell the barometer of the neighborhood by how many street robberies. Very seriously, says to me about 12. I said 12 are you kidding me when i was there we were doing a minimum, an absolute minimum of 120 a month at that is only the ones that got reported. Half the time people got robbed and figured what is the use and went home and never made a report. 12 was an astounding number. I remember one night during a blizzard we had eight. Now they do 12 in a month. New york city is such a different place. I kick myself lose some of these neighborhoods that were a lot of abandoned buildings and empty lots you would try by every night, if i had half a brain in my head i would have bought one of this empty lots and i would be a millionaire right now but i didnt think the city would ever turn around like it has. Is a completely different city. I infects bought realestate. You are welcome. Obvious question, your love for the business, why did you retire after 20 years . The other question is how often did you react ats julie . I ate at cavs at ftle. Why i retire . You get to retire after 20 years and there is a reason. Police work burns you out. It just eats you up over time. The other day i bumped into a cop, i am walking my dog, hes walking his dog, the dodds are talking so we started talking and he turned out to be retired detective and we started talking and he tells me about why he retired, he was burned out and he said it took him a full year to get healthy again. Working around the clock, the knights, the weekends you dont eat rice picks the forecasts julie, you dont be right, dont sleep right, for years i hardly went to bed or woke up at the same time every day. Very unhealthy lifestyle range you cant do it forever. Everybody says the they know when it is time to retire and i knew. I knew the exact date, the exact second when i decided to retire. I was a Commanding Officer at the manhattan gang squad and it was a very busy place. This was a year after 9 11, and at that point i thought i had seen everything and done everything and i was burned out and just didnt have it in me any more. A couple months before, we had a homicide, a gangrelated homicide, a guy had killed another guy in front of his pregnant wife, she is standing there six months pregnant and watched her husband die. There is not much more what is sadder than that . I always loved the job. I wasnt any smarter than anybody else, wasnt any more clever it anybody else but i was always tenacious. When i was after a guy i never gave up and one of my detectives and the guy who did this was a gang member, and mexican gang member and he had no roots in the community. Use an illegal immigrant, had no roots so no way to track him down, no house where he grew up, no mother, no father, no girlfriend so he picked up and left. A couple months later we got a tip from an informant we might find him and up in yonkers hanging out on the corner in the morning looking for day work and one of my detectives comes in and tells me this and says how about we go out there the next couple days to stake out, see if we confined him. Normally this gets my juices flowing, Nothing Better than grabbing a guy on a crime like that. I was sitting in my office and had my feet on my desk, only got four hours sleep the night before, and i am eating cold pizza, and nothing happened. I was did inside. I was numb, i was dead, i just couldnt get the juices flowing anymore and at that second i said it is time for me to pull the plug. I wasnt the type of guy to get myself a job at headquarters wearing a suit, carrying a clipboard, telling war stories from the old days. That is when i decided that it was time to go and i did. [applause] great job. I am from new jersey, right across the street from the river and i have got a young daughter who went to school in the bronx for four years, lives in manhattan now and thanks to you and the rest of the Police Department for keeping everybody safe, definitely is a for place today. [applause] i dont know where it started with the murder of the two police men in brooklyn i think it was, where bill deblasio, the current mayor had a difficult time with his relationship with the police force and services and that type of thing. My question is the inert he is doing anything to improve his relationship with the police force . Has he made any progress . You read the book, right . Windows two officers were killed a lot was made, i actually wrote an oped for the new york times. In the emergency room the cops turn their back on the mayor when he went into the emergency room to see the officers. People were upset about it but i dont think it wasnt a well calculated plan. They turned their backs on but mayor. Everybody knew he had no use for cops. That is what he campaigned on, tailored two cities, the oppressive Police Department, everybody knew and all the cops felt he had no use for cops and that night when it happens and he is walking into that room where there are two dead beloved brothers in the other room, i think they just felt i wasnt there but i think they just felt that he was there because he had to and that is why they turned their backs on him. He has gotten better with the police. This is just my opinion, he has gotten better with police because he knows he has to. New york city, you could imagine what it would be like without the cops. It is so much better than was in the old days and he knows that and i think just because of politics he has to be better with the police. At this point it would be bad politics to be of the police because Everybody Knows what improvements were made so i think hes doing it because he has to. That is just my opinion. Who is a better commissioner, bill bratton or ray kelly . I dont know either one of them personally, it is difficult to say. Bill bratton, i feel like he is the the right guy for the job. With the anti caught sentiment around the country and in new york, when i see him on television i feel he is the right guy for the job at this time. When he was commissioner of the first time that is when a broken window things started and ray kelly became the pc and they ran with it and kept going and crime kept going down. Who is weather better . And wont say who is better battery kelly did great job. Has a cop when i would see him on the news we had some Police Commissioners i was not crazy about, when i would see him, it made you proud, he represented the Police Department well. Now that bill bratton is there he has a very difficult job with a mayor that i dont know put his relationship is with the mayor but i am sure it is a very difficult job and he is the right guy for the job right now. Back to your book. I know you did your research with your life but memory plays tricks on you and stuff. I am in that inning that you had to go back to your Police Reports and whatever you did to get the details correct. What was it like to revisit those reports and revisit those stories . How was that for you . Before writing a book, miley training was riding Police Reports and the facts were the best i could remember them. Went back to footsteps, and everything, really triage to be as accurate as possible. Sometimes i called my old partner. Remembers this, i gave it my old partners. Do you remember it the same way i do . And they did. I was used to testifying in court, you pay for Work Together and have your testimony together and that is the way i approach this. If you and i see a Car Accidents or a homicide, we view it slightly different. Overs the years i didnt realize it but when i saw these things i was always looking at the stories behind that. Will always be slightly different views. We get involved in crazy things, five or six of us, you get shot and the next day, you have slightly different views of what happened because you approach it from different angle. Tried to make it as accurate as possible. You are writing for tv episodes, i am a great fan of blue bloods and i wonder if he might comment on the authenticity of that, and the dinner table. My mother loves blue bloods just because of tom selleck. I dont watch it that often. They take current cases. Talk about some Current Events. They talk about Current Events but it is television. I always wanted to take my book and turn it into a script and it works well. Win you have Network Television you can always say what you said and cant always show what you really saw. It is watered down a little bit but it is really good. My mother will agree with me, she loved it. 9 11 end the aftermath. Lot of stories about the lingering effects of first responders. I wonder if some of your partners are dealing with that. It is true, and i was one of the lucky ones. On the morning of 9 11 i woke up and getting ready to go to work and turned on the newsstand i see smoke coming out of the other fors and as i am watching with my wife, the second plane hits. She starts crying, she starts screaming and i am holding her and watching this henge i gand get to work. Everyone else is everything home to be with their wives. I am hugging my wife, she is crying into my chest, my shirt is wet with tears in and builders and i am holding onto her and all i could think of it is i got to go to work. I remember her looking up at me, she was used to be leaving, i get a phone call at night, got to go to work, and i dont come back until the next day. Oftentimes working 4 to 12, i will be home in a little while and catch a shooting and not home until the next day so she was used to being left alone and i remember looking up at me in tears streaming down her face and she says please dont leave me, not this time. And i told her you understand i have to go, right . You understand. She knew i was going. She was just trying she was just then think. She was going to be left alone to deal with this by herself. I left her crying as i jumped in the car going 90 miles an hour with the red light on the dashboard listening to the radio and i am racing down there. At the time i was a lieutenant in the game squatted at 50 sergeants and detectives working for me and i knew once i went down there it was going to be a madhouse. We had to stick together as a unit because if we didnt, if we got separated we were not going to fight each other for days. One of my sergeants, my right hand man, i freely admit it, administratively high m a moron. It is not what i like to do but one of my sergeants is the energizer bunny. He is on top of everything so i had him on the phone. When i you going to be at the office, and i am not leaving with out you. Get all the equipment we need. As soon as we get there we are jumping in a car and going down. I got to the office, got everybody together, we all jumped in the car and he was a few minutes late. His girlfriend was a nurse, he had to drop her off at the hospital so he was 15, 20 minutes late and i was not going to be without him. I wanted my whole unit together. He jumps in the car and off we go. Second building came down right before we got there. If he wasnt we we probably would have run in there like everybody else. And i guess it is hard to explain how you feel. Morgan anything i felt helpless because as a cop when you see something really bad, the way you find closure it is you find the person that did it, you arrest them, they go away, that is how you find closure and right away we found out that was not going to happen. The individual did this or dead and the individuals responsible for it were in a cave overseas, and nothing we could do about it and i felt kind of helpless those days. All we could do is dig through rubble, and pick up remains and process remain this. That was the overwhelming feeling. I felt privileged because i know everybody in the country wanted to be down there helping and i was able to do it. I had the ability to go down there and help my city, that is how i got through it. I got privilege to be there. [applause] i am from philadelphia, the home of frank rizzo to the mayor of philadelphia and kind of have a Public Service announcement for at savannah, in appreciation of the police force. My wife and daughter, 26yearold daughter took the 13 week civilian Police Academy training and each week there would be two different departments telling you what they do and when the twelfth week, we did ride along with several different officers and as you know, there are two of the most dangerous situations, Domestic Violence call. And my wife to the car stopped. We got out of the cars to a safe distance away. But we really now understand and appreciate what the police do so that it really should be a civic duty for officers. I know you know that. A rookie starts at 37,000 a year to put his life on the line. You mentioned the police get a bad rap for what little manhattan negatively with thousands of cases that are unappreciated. 37,000. You dont take the job for the money. As you go up in ranks you do better and have better benefits, good pension but you dont take this job for the money. You take it because it is a calling. Something in your heart tells you this is what you want to do and that is why you take it. [applause] in the introduction, anne gardner said you never shot your gun and we never found out why and how that came about. I always worked in busy places, busy squads, busy neighborhoods and people always ask the you ever shoot anybody the queue when i tell them know they seemed disappointed. What were you doing for 20 years . But the fact is i forget what the figure is, 90 , 99 of hawks never fired their weapons line of duty but i can tell you this. At least half a dozen guys that are still Walking Around where i was actually pulling the trigger. It got to the point they were going and at the last possible second they drop the gun, or i had a situation, several situations where i went to go stop the guy, stop and frisk, when i put the guy on the car he reached into his waistband so i reached into his waistband and he has got a gun and he has got it first. He has got the gun in his hand and i was big. His shoulders were over my head. There was another guy with him had at knife. All of a sudden i am in a fight for my life. I couldnt shoot him. I could not let go of this gun. I picked him up and swinging back and forth. I would have gone out in time. The leading i could think about was if you cant breathe you cant fight. So i started yanking on it on his fist, this crazy and im like maneuver. Hand as i am doing that the other guy, he wants to stand me in the back but is not committed to this because he knows where this is going. Hes not sure he wants to gillick,. And he listens the gun, i could have shot both of them. It was not necessary. This when the stockbroker was going to answer the door with a pocket protector and pencils in there. He answers the door with a vest on and a 3d in his hand and then he has a gun and the only thing i could do, was jumped him. He two hops with me and rolling on the floor fighting for the gun and managed to get the gun off. You only shoot somebody if it is absolutely necessary and everybody has that line in this and where when someone crosses that you are going to do it. I knew where mine was. It got very close. At least half a dozen or more times. Each time i always felt i didnt have to do it and i didnt. That includes several thousand. [applause] thank you very much and thanks for having me in savannah. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, one more round of applause. [applause] [inaudible conversations] be this past week, president obama announced the nomination of carla hagan to be the nineteenth librarian of congress. Doctor hayden has been the ceo of the free library in baltimore, maryland since 1993 and has been a member of the National Museum and Library Services board since 2010. She was nominated for this post by president obama. Here she is in 2004 discussing her opposition to the patriot act. Libraries are one of the Building Blocks of the free and open society. For whatever reason, to pursue their own intellectual interests, to look up something they have a curiosity about or just find out about subjects that they heard about. No one should be examined or scrutinized by anyone, especially the government. It supports the protection of confidentiality and the freedom that accompanies it. We find parts of the u. S. A patriot act threaten these freedoms. The 1970s and the fbi library awareness program. As librarians we are interested in and committed to insuring the safety of our fellow americans but it is time for the government to stop wasting its time on supposed security risks posed by any american that goes into a Public Library for research or learning. The expanded authority and a patriot act allows the federal government to investigate and engage in surveillance of citizens without having to demonstrate any specific reason to believe they are engaged in illegal activity and threaten Civil Liberties guaranteed by the United States constitution and the bill of rights. If confirmed by the senate, dr. Heaton will be the firstever american and the first woman to hold the position of librarian of congress. Confirmation hearings are yet to be set by the senate. Good evening. I am linda decker, ceo of hardcore and i am honored to be here tonight to introduce you to an Amazing Group of women who will be in this discussion at this evenings topic is a vital one that is close to my heart. As female ceo i am asked a comment about what it is like to be a woman in an industry that has been traditionally men, what it is like to be a woman and a leader in how you help young women and things like that and so i ask what are the experiences i draw on and who do i draw them from . I also say it is women i have drawn experience from and things i have read and people i talk to, people i have met. But at the end that is all about stories and the storytelling of your experiences. Im really thrilled to welcome them here at about of the fact we had the opportunity to be able to produce this book

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