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It is a pleasure. Last time i saw you was in our barn, during the president ial campaign. Guest you are just an incredible person. Really a role model for everybody, you are a role model for women. I want them to know what is possible. And just one of those people i watched for many years. Versus not trying to flatter you but honestly, i see people now who i have respect for because you were a leader as governor, a leader at the epa, a leader all your life. I ran into senator lugar the other day, the issue of trying to rid the world of Nuclear Weapons, with bill bradley last night, senator bob carrie a couple months ago, i dont know about you, but when i see these folks who are bigger than life, love for country rather than love for their party, i have to Say Something. It is frustrating we seem to have lost that. I am really impressed by your book, very personal, insightful and very clear on the kinds of things you think are at the bottom of our challenges in the country and i wanted to ask you, you talk about two paths. How did you come to that title . Guest when i think back on my career as a republican it wasnt always comfortable. I am basically a populist but a positive populist. I can understand the troubles of working people because that is where i grew up. The wind. The wrong way, people found themselves out of work but always felt those folks need to be heard and respected. But there is negative populism which is not something i appreciate at all. Negative populism is sometimes a blame game on somebody else. There is not as much of an element of hay, we got to pick ourselves up. There is an element of responsibility we have to ourselves for our family. As a positive populist i can understand the problems but we went two paths. One was it is somebody elses fault, you get ripped off, i am here to fix everything, snap of a finger versus me, the only time in my life i was a boring candidate because i didnt say make wild promises. Being governor was a disadvantage. You know why it was . I didnt do things to get attention and this was a time when the crazier stuff you did, the more you got on television, the more people liked it. Totally bizarre. Host looking at the media of trump. You want to say just because he is not crazy, you want to when im elected on day one i will tear up the iran nuclear deal, what do you think, john . We have to see how it is. We cant predict the future. I was boring. There were a lot of candidates doing this. Host you have to solve problems for everybody. Guest in some respects it was a disadvantage because i dont want to make false promises. All we have is our reputation. The negative path was sort of down and woe is me and all that and i feel for these people but there is no quick fix. This is something we are going to face for a while into the future particularly the digital revolution coming where the number one occupation, i dont know if you know this, the number one occupation in america are drivers. With the creation of autonomous vehicles, they are not going to be driving so what are we going to do . We think we are torn apart today, wait until these folks are taken out of their jobs. What are they going to do . That is a failure of the Education System. Positive for a long time the trump sanders voters were two sides of the same coin, frustrated, angry, scared people and didnt care whether the person they were deporting could do what they said they were going to do, just just cared about we are going to do something. You think Congress Learned its lesson . They are so frustrated. Guest congress is so dysfunctional. Host how do we having to work with the legislature. We gerrymandered which we have always done but then people have gone out and sought the information reinforced their views and shut out the information that didnt do that and now if you are a republican in a safe district. We talk about safe districts, now if youre a safe district you have to watch the primary from the right to me or republican, from the left if you are democrat. Congress is going like this and by the way i think people gave up bowling and took up watching Cable Television and now they are very impatient and demanding of their representatives and compromise is the worst thing you could do. Cavorting with a democrat, saying something nice about donald trump if you are a democrat or nice about barack obama if you are a republican was not stood for. We have this polarization and i think it is a big problem. Host what you said about the media, the digital revolution, what we are seeing from polls and studies, people are going to sites that reinforce their current opinion, how do we get that . That is the challenge, how do we get people out of their comfort zone willing to move beyond that . Guest what i think has to happen, not just a divided congress. In the New York Times one woman moved her wedding from america to italy because she couldnt get her relatives there, she was afraid there would be a riot fighting with each other about politics. One of my boyhood friends told me he cannot talk to his father about politics, his father is 90 and all we do is shout at each other, i dont even go there anymore. We know families are fighting, you unfriend somebody on facebook if they Say Something you dont like. I think there are things that pull us together. What is this drug problem. The dea told me, starting very young and all the way through, we have groups in our neighborhoods that work to spread this message to young people, mentoring programs, give kids confidence, the drug issue is not republican or democrat, that is a human issue or somebody that lives in your neighborhood who lost their spouse of 60 years, we all have to pitch in and help a person like that. As we begin to work to stall these things in our neighborhood, we are going to communicate with one another. Then sent a message to the leaders. And this was fascinating. All of us send a message who fly on airlines sent a message to the company, we are not going to put up with this. Bottomup and top down. They tell politicians to knock it off but this is a long, unwinding of a problem, what happened for a couple decades. You have been watching. Host one thing that was encouraging was the march for science which started with the march for women, people saying something positive, this is what we have got to support. It was a hit particularly in this country for all the cutbacks on science. Guest the march for science brought republicans and democrats together. You didnt have to be in one party. And there is concern about cuts to an nih which we are all concerned about and epa and all these things. We cant just show up to these things based on what we think and go there with venom. We saw interviews with the march on science, i had a friend who came here, a very conservative republican, came down and marched with his daughter, something he was bragging about, that kind of activism is a positive activism, not a negative we just hate somebody else. Host finally scientists the voice and speaking out. There was a sign, i think it was new zealand, you need a little practice at this, what do we want, factbased science, when we went it . After peerreviewed. Not going to get a lot of people out on the street. But there was a recent iop paul from harvard, the thing i find surprising and troubling, 59 of the kids who sponsored it, who responded to it wanted to unite america, but in saying that, 21 wanted anything to do with politics as a way to do that. Wanted to serve it all and yet they have to. I dont blame them. Guest here is what i can be part of. Being part of that, they are going to develop friendships and communication and we fight with one another and become buddies, and get serious and people migrate into host to do community service. What about governmentsponsored programs to encourage this kind of thing. Guest what if we require some Public Service for a year or whatever when you get out of school. And the military did more to integrate to desegregate society, obviously races and income, fairly income come together and learn to get along and think about it. Host nobody got ahead of someone else that they are so afraid of to do some form of Public Service. And enormously good thing. It works in countries like israel, we need to think about how we get these young people to find a way to make a difference. They are thinking about this because they saw their parents chase the almighty buck, if it was that chase, and in the campaign, i saw them i dont want that, i want something more meaningful and that is a cause for real optimism and more open to ideas. By and large they are a lot more objective and listen better. Host what would you say is the take away from the campaign . More townhall meetings than anyone has ever done. I started with balanced budgets, tax cuts and regular fee regulation. Guest that is not what people have been there for. Because they wanted to believe somebody cared about them. It was more of the heart and soul than it was to the listeners, wanted to look like these guys. In the course of swimming, dropped my cell phone in a Swimming Pool and my wife got the phone, went to the Verizon Store and got it changed and they finally gave me the phone and said what do i u, weigh too long. The lady in charge said to me last week a woman came in with her smart phone. We have done something to break her smart phone. We fixed it and gave it back to her and i look at the woman, you dont owe us anything. The woman started to cry, get emotional. Nobody treats anybody like that, this is part of our faith issue, we put ourselves in other peoples shoes. That is what people really wanted, somebody to celebrate their victories and their pain. Slowed down, i moved so fast but i get reminded from time to time just slow down. Let me tell you one other thing. It would be unusual to be said on television. I was reading i happens to be a christian and i was reading about jesus. He always slowed down when somebody needed something. I read the commentary about it and there is a Matthew Henry commentary and said if he could slow down to take care of people, why cant you . I read that and i went that is absolutely right. To take one more minute with somebody, i am not good at it but i tried to. In my better days i slowed down. That is what people want. People to look them in the eye and Pay Attention and give them a smile and a hug and not think they are out there all alone. How do i get back to that . The rhetoric that bothered me from the getgo. Host the language he used and the fear factors that were encouraged. Guest that is right. Host that creates a separation that is hard to bridge again. What can we do sitting on the outside to bridge this . Guest i started these things called governors courage awards. Guest giving him a place to sleep, and gave a judge and award who took women who would be human traffic, and rehabilitation and get their lives together and have a new start. My wife has been involved in the program, i gave that judge and award. Judges worry this guy was a hero but there was a third guy. This guy connected with people, driving a bus, he saw a woman getting ready to jump off the bridge and stopped the bus in the middle of traffic, got out of his bus, walked over, distracted her, maybe i need a hug. In the process, having things been notified, how do you find out about this, had a camera on the bus and it went viral. It was a bus driver, that is an important person. We have to honor these people that say im going to look at this. We are not going to unravel this overnight and it is a battle. It is ground up. Do you count on those politicians to fix this . I dont. We got over time, we can start to see the great leaders emerge again. Guest definitely part of it. Let me ask you, you talk in the book, using an example of building that Holocaust Memorial, talking about keeping at something. You want to go into that in a little more depth . Guest all the people at the capitol square, they sent some things and everybody leaves and goes back to normal. We will be thinking about this all the time. When kids come to the capitalization understand what the holocaust was and who the people were that saved folks and what happens when people let evil take over, in some respects some of them that did. I spoke and announce we will have a Holocaust Memorial in the capital and came back the next day and said you cant do that because it doesnt match the decorum of the capital. It was a multiyear process to push that through. I got it through, the memorial designed by one of the greatest architect in the world. Last week, a ymca group came, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th grade. I was getting ready to go on a tour, wanted to be in ohio, in the course of my talking, a kid fainted and we had a move. We walked from the front of the statehouse to the Holocaust Memorial and i got up on one of the walls and talked to those kids about what this memorial was all about. All these groups should be there, what it is is inspiring. You have done it all your life. Why do you think they like her . Host all the lessons we learned, when i was at the National Governors association, republican and democrat didnt matter. And is it now guest it is infected, im not a member of the National Governors association, i dont need to go to meetings where nothing gets done and all i see is no serious work together. Trying to do something with democrat governors on healthcare. And cant just cut millions of people off and not give them the care they need. It is a lot more political and not good. Host my staff wasnt always happy. This is what governors are doing in new jersey. Guest dan malloy, first time i met him, sat together and it wasnt very pleasant. I saw him another time, we went to the inauguration, dan malloy and i, it started to rain, gave me his raincoat. You take this, i once you to be dry. I know you are not listening but somebody is. But i am saying that is like a humanist and that is what we need to have a. Not that everybody wants to fight but honor those who step up. Host we the people, taking on leadership, i love my party but i love my country more and im not going to vote on the party line because it is wrong. Not supporting my candidates if they wont be positive. If they are going to be divisive and negative and down in the ditch i am not supporting them. Host did you have any kind of Campaign Pledge or standards . Here is the record. It is across the pale. The campaign for president there were ads that went up by the super pac that i didnt like because it had a negative message. I couldnt call them or talk to them but i do an interview, i dont like that had. It was a little different, we are at the tail end of our careers. It is easy to pontificate. Very selfcongratulatory, that is the last thing these people want to hear. What you were feeling, where you were brought up. Guest my mother had a lot of traits we have and a lot of traits you have, lets just tell it like it is. You are a refined lady. I come from a very ethnic bluecollar and we were more loud about it and my mother was somebody else. She saw something she didnt like, didnt care where it was she would speak out on it and i learned that from my mother. Tell it like it is. I call myself a populist republican, there was a book i read, if you want to understand president s look at their mothers and fathers and impact on them. Who impacted you . Who gave you your drive . Your father, your mother or both . It was both. You found that too. My father was a postman. He knew everybodys business in every neighborhood and had a nice smile on his face. I like to think i am a combination of both of them. Early in my career i was more strident and now i am more settled down. Host a little bit more about how spice that espouses might hurt. You started to get interested in policies and what is happening, politics and policy but willing to get outside your comfort zone particularly to meet with president nixon. That was a fun story. Host guest i was a college student, freshman and there were things that upset me at ohio state that i want to find out so i asked for a meeting with the president of the university, and what i was concerned about. When looking at this office, this is a job for me, what do you do . Academic responsibilities and fundraising, and would you give it to of the president . He said i guess i can do that. I wrote a letter, went back to the dorm telling him how i thought. Gave it to the president of the university, carried the letter to washington and at the end of my letter, to discuss this further, let me know and a couple weeks later i got a letter back from the white house, he invited me to the oval office to have a chat with him and i called home and my mother answered the phone and i said im going to need an airline ticket, have a meeting with me in the oval office and my mother is shouting pick up the phone, something wrong with our kid. I did fly down and get to see, i spent 20 minutes there and that was an unbelievable thing. I dont think most things happen by accident. Most things happen on purpose and when good things happen, i am a work in progress. And a lot of good things happened in my lifetime and we really appreciate the fact i had a podium and opportunity to speak. This is my fourth book. It is really cool. People my daughters, my marriage and all of that. I have written four books. Host that is how it works. Guest why do i feel strongly . Pick something up from this book. They can learn from it and it im happy about it. Host if you want to get a little more, faith is important to you. How comfortable were you in talking about it on the campaign trail and what about peoples reactions . Guest 1987, when i was a little boy, my father picked my mother up and her job in downtown pittsburgh but they would not come back, they would go on a dangerous road and i got to be 35 years old, 11 45 it might the doctors that i have terrible news for you, there has been a terrible accident, your father is dead and your mother is going to die. I got to pittsburgh that night, i went into the hospital and my mother never regained consciousness. There was a young minister in there and he started telling me about faith. He goes i am so sorry. You dont have a clue, i started yelling at this guy. Over the next couple weeks, he started asking me about my position on the big guy. He said to me one day, you are going to heal but you have a window of opportunity. Why dont you figure out what you really think . As a young man i had gone through the religious motions and felt inspired at times and it was very legitimate but i drifted away. I Read Everything i could. I disrupted more religious studies groups than you can even imagine and 30 years later and on the way i concluded there is a god, that he cares about me, he has transcended and here is the thing where i think religion has gone wrong. You have religious leaders the play politics. They shouldnt be endorsing candidates, this is nonsense. Secondly, a lot of them preach who is sleeping with who and all this other stuff. I dont care about that. What i care about, love god which brings about humility and love your neighbor as you love yourself and to me religion is about hope, a second chance, grace, a chance to brush yourself off and start a new. I talk about it and if i know there is somebody that cares about me who is transcendent and i know a little of what is expected about me i have a better chance of hitting the mark than just wandering around in the woods without a compass. I dont shove this down anybodys throat but it is my gift to people, just check it out. If you dont like it fine. No sweat off of me. I want you to know what i found. It is not always right for me. Doesnt take away all the pain or make life easy but it does give you perspective. I am convinced that in a mature society, there is a tendency for man to put himself on the throne and take god off the throne and in that process we become self absorbed and lose our objectivity and all of a sudden it is subjective judgment about proper behavior and i dont buy that. If you are a humanist you want to heal the world, for people who practice faith. I dont have any problem with people. I wrote a book about this. Was a bestseller. It is fine. But i am not into office you are going to hell and all that. That is not where i live. Host i am glad because i would be really trouble. Guest it i like to play golf. If i tell you about golf, there are sand traps and water hazard and if you move the ball it is a penalty, so lets go play, isnt that great or if i said you golf is about the outdoors, the ball against the horizon, the son the comradeship, all of a sudden you go i might want to try that. We should not sell the rules of religion, we should sell the hope of it. That is what i try to do a little bit. Host it is a powerful message. You can take it or leave it. It is up to you how you think about it but it is troubling to me to see how many religious leaders impose themselves in the political process. That taints it all. Guest what are they doing . Their job is to feed the hungry and close the poor and they spend their time they can give us Martin Luther said it is up to those people in religion to give values and up to the people to decide who their leaders ought to be. It is not people in the cloth picking our leaders, that is not their job. A lot wont like what i am saying but think about what i said. Host now that there has been time to reflect on the campaign, how do you think your daughters, what have they taken away from it . Guest my letter from my daughter to me which was right before that is really incredible and i was saying a lot of the republicans were mad at me and she quoted dr. Seuss. For those that care, those that matter they dont care about my position and those who care dont matter. It is an astounding and stunning email my daughter sent to me. One of my daughters is more interested in politics than the other one. She is a little liberal when i say when i run for office, got a good name but you cant be way out here, my daughter emma, and it is not so bad. She is a liberal too but they are starting to understand politics. We dont talk about it at home. This is not what we talk about. Talk to my wife about this unless i have some things that is really bothering me. I leave that at the door. She is very insistent that i dont go in the house with my phone and keep being distracted that they are great. I love them and they support me and all is good. Host when i was governor i insisted that john and i would go away with the kids for a week doing something we had never done before, go around the National Parks, learning to kayak or mountain bikeing, to have that time when all four of us were together doing something as a family. How did you set aside time to balance the responsibilities of governor and family . I have not found a job to be hard. If you are not playing politics you make decisions. Sometimes i take the with me on things and it is really cool. I went to atlanta on Martin Luther king day. I took my daughter emma on some trips privately just the two of us and reese the same way. My wife and i celebrated our wedding anniversary, we went away and left kids at home with somebody to watch over them. By christmas we have a place we are going to stay in florida. We are excited about that. And we eat dinner a lot together. And i have something to take care of but all in all it is good. Kids are welladjusted, my wife is fine. She is concerned that in 18 months i wont have this job and i will be around a lot more. I think she is concerned about that. Host she wont have to worry much. Guest the family thing is really important. It is not good on your spouse. By the way, we stayed in our home. We never moved to the governors mention, that fence around it. Beautiful smart girls maybe i should be back with the sentence. A state trooper set out of the house. And how many boys do you know want to come where there is a state trooper sitting in the driveway with a gun . That is normal. Host i live a very normal life. I go to the grocery store. I do that. I do that. I play golf at a club where people are swimming and i am around town. Im not isolated. I live a normal life, that has been really healthy. Host did you do a lot of trade missions . Guest no. I went to a conference in munich with john mccain and i met Business Leaders from germany and london. I will probably do some more but i dont want to just go do something if it is not going to make sense and i cant have some success. I think over the next year and a half i will do a little more. Host how much time did you spend bringing your self up to date on what is happening . Guest every day. I am on the phone yesterday for a long time. I stay in constant communication and they are very good at reaching out and i did a lot of work before i left for this trip. For the year or so that i was gone i would sneak back as often as i could but the phone is an amazing thing. When i tell people phones can connect from wherever you are to wherever they are, you have to stay on top. Being governor is always number one priority. Host anixter sting an interesting juxtaposition, there are broader issues you dont have to worry about so much as the governor, international seen. Your experience as a congressman. You are responsible for major pieces of legislation. Guest most people dont know host tell me how that helped inform you before you ran for governor particularly for the president ial race. You brought a lot. On the international scene, i served on the on Services Committee for 18 years, the only committee i served on. In that role i went to the soviet union before the wall came down, went to saudi arabia before the gulf war. I went to many places, africa, that was a little different. I was there, as a part of the national security, i became friends with bonow and we started to figure out how to help in africa to use for an 8 effectively to leverage who we are and show people who we are. I went to panama, el salvador, nicaragua. Places where made a difference. And i was 30 years old, cast my firstborn policy vote and voted against us reagan was the president and i opposed him and there were only a handful. Where our barracks were blown up, i learned a valuable lesson about being in the middle of civil wars. That was a great opportunity to learn about the side of the country, on any other committees and learned an enormous amount and got to work with the greatest people, barry goldwater, young people wont know, gary hart, sam done, all these great folks and people who served in world war ii were amazing people, conservative democrats who i love. And the secretary of defense, brilliant thinker. And it was a time republicans and democrats to defeat the communists. Host on the other side you did the budget. Guest i understood pentagon reform. I was an iconoclast, the hammers, screwdrivers and wrenches, i said we should reform the pentagon like we reformed the welfare system. You were supposed to look past that and a very liberal democrat to reduce the procurement of the b 2 bomber which i thought we didnt need. The job was to fly to the soviet union and drop in the middle of a nuclear war, we dont need that many planes to do that. I wanted to build standoff weapons and there was a big fight and limit is production for the budget committee. There was an incident where i wanted to control the growth of Pentagon Spending and i was then the leadership with a someone accused me of being a traitor to the country. I dont know what possessed me but i looked at him and said you dont have to call. He said what do you mean . I said you are already forgiven. In the middle of the night you will wake up and want to apologize to me but please dont call me because im going to be speaking and you are already forgiven. The whole room went dead still which was really cool. Host one of those few times. Guest when you were governor and decided to go to the epa was it a hard decision to leave new jersey . Host it wasnt it wasnt. My last year i was turned out and in new jersey because the governor has so much power constitutionally, one of the most powerful, nobody cares what you are doing. Just looking at who will be the next governor. What you are doing is walking into your legacy which should have stayed around and done more of. It is hard when a president elect calls, the Vice President elect called and said serve the country, epa was not my first choice. I would have loved to have gone to the United Nations for commerce, i figured i could do more as governor. I thought i could be helpful. I am prochoice and the United Nations gives money to programs that help women, epa was an important position, and worked so hard and was there for 911. The anthrax, and when you hear about the issue of Climate Change or the environment, what goes through your mind . It is less so now, how do you respond . Do you think it is more controversial . Host boggles my mind that republicans are responding the way they are because it is such a republican issue, conservation, conservatives. If you look at the first president to set aside public land was abraham lincoln. And the National Park service, Richard Nixon established the Environmental Protection Agency Working with a democrat congress. And in 1970, 69, 70 we had antivietnam riots, and not that congress thought we have Nothing Better to do, lets go after the environment. The public said enough. We dont like rivers spontaneously combusting. Guest an example of bottom up. Host people have got to get engaged that way. One thing i want to ask you, you have been running, writing a book, you had time to read much and what kind of books attract your attention . I finished the book called the boys and the boat. Reading the guns of august, i read a fiction book that is really terrific. And all the light you cannot see, an amazing book. My wife reads one book a week. She is im so proud of her, shes a voracious reader. The things she thinks i would really enjoy. I absorb a lot of information, i read magazines, and i wish it was longer, and i absorb a lot of information. One is called three days in january about the transition between eisenhower and kennedy. The things that make that book so powerful to me is eisenhowers concern, Nuclear Weapons were an issue. The cuban missile crisis happened after that transition and his concern about ensuring you had civilian control over the military, from a five star general. A lot translates. The other is about eisenhower, ikes gamble. The time of the suez crisis. The first time we got involved in the middle east and the mistakes we make, very informational books. Guest one of the best books i read in a long time was David Mcculloughs book on the right brothers. Have you read that . Host he is wonderful. Guest all these people from North Carolina, kitty hawk, just a bunch of sand and wind. They created the airplane in ohio. National title or not. We claim aviation, not you. Host you will get some pushback. What newspapers do you read . Guest i read the New York Times, usa today, the wall street journal, the atlantic magazine, sometimes i look at the daily beast. I read a whole panoply and clips, look at the cbs, cnn, fox news website, bbc, a lot of stuff i am going over. I also really like to look at the information on the golf channel. Host have you looked at Condoleezza Rice . Guest i was fascinated by the victory of Sergio Garcia at the masters. It was a remarkable victory and Condoleezza Rice never invited me to play golf down there. Host she might get the hint. Guest congratulated this guy from spain on sergios victory and he was really happy. There was a great golfer he four putted one time on the green and they asked how did he manage to do that . They said i make. Host on Something Like that. Dont you think the lpga has to do something about people who secondguess four strokes. She didnt get the ball back exactly right. Guest this girl, lexi thompson, as bad as it was that she didnt win the tournament is almost a household this is unbelievable that somebody is looking at the things that you know what people are saying . Almost a revolution in the golf world. They are beginning to say who was it that called . We want full transparency. They will ruin the game. The rules are really critical, but lets not do that. Host those two extra strokes the next day signing the wrong card when that was the day before, nobody knew. Guest i saw a foul in the North Carolina game as i reviewed my tape and they need to play the game over. We will lose them all if we keep talking. Guest it is very frustrating. Host so much good with the internet and yet the potential for abuse is so great. We dont want to regulate but how do we host somebody told me there was fake news about me. I saw it and laughed it was so outrageous. That i found out somebody added it to wikipedia. I heard this a couple hours ago. We need to take it down and correct it. People can do hip jobs on you. I hope people will be discerning wednesday read. Believe none of what you read and only half of what you see. That is not a bad philosophy. Guest a good way to get through. It is a challenge now. People get so much information. Getting people out of their comfort zone. I am with you. You read the New York Times, read the wall street journal. If you watch fox news, watch msnbc. I like the bbc, the most in the middle but the truth is in the middle. That is what people have to get to because it requires thinking. Now we are beginning to see people who are fighting back against stories that are not true. There is an activist group growing to set the record straight. I have not seen much about it but i saw a couple articles. Host something i found when talking to professors and universities, one of the hardest things they have to do is teach kids about plagiarism because they take it off the internet and figure i dont have to fight this. It is on the internet. And believing everything they get from wikipedia. Guest a few minutes left. One area i want to talk about is our Education System, k12 at higher education, if they dont get their act together and start educating people with the skills for the job of the future they will be this intermediated and there will be a technological solution having people skills to fit the kind of things they have passion for and right now our Education System is operating based on a 100 year ago philosophy and universities cost too much, not enough being done to reign in the cost to get them back to their core function. Too many assets. I am concerned about this because this revolution is coming. I mentioned the use of sensors, artificial intelligence, there will be people in the Insurance Industry or Financial Service industry who will lose their jobs because of artificial intelligence. We see commercials with edison with at t where they give an answer. This is well. Host thomas edison. Guest born in ohio. We are joined at the hip a. Host we have to wrap up and it has been fun and good to see you. Host i hope our viewers found it interesting, read the book. The book is excellent. Read it. Guest thank you. Former fbi director james comey will testify next week at a Senate Hearing investigating russian interference in the us election. Watch live coverage from the Senate Intelligence Committee Thursday at 10 00 eastern on cspan2 and cspan. Org or listen live with the cspan radio apps. And this weekend on book tv weve got a full lineup of nonfiction authors and books. Tomorrow we are live with indepth, author and journalist matt sits down to discuss all of his books including most recent in same clown president , dispatches from the 2016 circus on after words, nebraska senator ben sass explores how to engage adolescents to become independent, active citizens. The book is the vanishing adults. Former secretary of state and 2016 Democratic Party Hillary Clinton talks about her upcoming book. Also this weekend, coauthors heather and sam discuss their book geek girl rising about the women who are changing the technology industry. Mpr Richard Harris reports on the challenges facing the field of biomedical research. Thats just a few of the programs youll see here on book tv on cspan2, television for serious headers. Now we kick off the weekend can Cass Sunstein in his book republic, divided democracy in the age of social

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