$25,000 in college loan debt. college tuition up 368% in the last 30 years leaving students furious. and politicians making promises. >> congress needs to act right now to prevent interest rates on federal student loans from shoothding up. >> if it doesn't, loans subsidized by uncle sam rises on july 1. extending the current rate would cost the federal government and ultimately the taxpayer $6 billi billion, but something the president and hiss gop opponent agree on. >> i would like to extend the low interest rate on student loans. >> governor romney and the president out today both in favor of keeping interest rates low on subsidized loans, but some say that doesn't go far enough. welcome to the program, nice to meet you. i know you have had a very busy week. you say the student loan debt is morally unsustainable and we should forgive this debt. isn't that essentially asking people to pay for their neighbor's education? >> i wouldn't put it that way, no, education is a public good and if public goods are things that society benefits from as a bhoechlt it's in our public -- we decided we would fund high school education for everyone in this country, in the 21st century society, if we're going to have a middle class, we have to fund higher education properly. >> so use taxpayer money to just forgive a trillion dollars in student loan debt just like na? >> that's not the only thing i think our campaign stands for. our campaign stands for free public education. we want this country to join the long list of other industrialized countries in the world that manage to do this. and none of them are as affluent as the united states of america. >> that's the other part of the big debate, should we be giving everyone a free education in this country? >> i would ask to distinguish education as a public good that you say benefits society, for housing, it certainly benefits society for people to have a roof over their heads? >> i think shelter is a public good, i think shelter is a human right according to the u.n. and education is not exactly in the same category as housing. the fact is however, that our government increasingly wants to withdraw from its responsibility to fund higher education and will compel students who are supposed to be the beneficiaries to pay for it privately. we have -- this $1 trillion debt is going to multiply unless something seriously is done about it. >> this is an immoral process. you describe so many things now as public goods that it would be immoral not to provide. these are highly desirable products, and we should provide them to people. but it begs this one question, at whose expense. >> we had free public education systems in new york and california. we were just more like other industrial'sed countries by putting education up front and -- education has shifted much lower down that list as national priorities. >> i want to tell you what representative virginia fox says, listen to what he said on the gordon libby radio show. >> i have very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with 200,000 zl$200,00 $80,000 of debt, there's no reason for that. >> if there's a job on the other end, technically, that should be a manageable amount of debt. how much of this is personal responsibility? >> it's entirely about personal responsibility. if a opportunity makes a voluntary contract to take on a certain amount of debt. it's an average of $25,000 that people come out with that kind of debt. i don't know why there's a moral obligation to say you should not repay that contract that you make. >> if you want to talk about responsibility, let's talk about the lending industry. students who are 18 years old who are not old enough to drink, have lenders come after them with predatory loans, it's a predatory system, it's designed to prey on very young minds. >> 85% of student loans are backed by the federal government. >> the government profits from them too. and the current reforms that the president is proposing are like putting a band-aid on a tumor and telling the patient to go home. >> we'll have you back, we'll talk about it again, and tell you just what responsibility taxpayers have for education and that the federal government is actually fueling tuition costs by making these loans so accessible. we'll talk to students about education, finding the job and rocking the boat. ine grams of p. twist my lid. that's three times more than me! twenty-one vitamins and minerals and zero fat! hmmm. you'll bring a lot to the party. 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>> i'm a political science public policy major, those fields don't have a whole lot of hiring. i pretty much have to do a professional degree as a means to actually ascertaining a salary in the future that will allow me to afford these massive loans. >> and you're going to have to hustle in the job market because there's a lot of kids graduating with a law degree and there's not enough jobs. >> there's also health care and that's a growing part of the economy. you're a nursing major, no student loan debt. i wish i could ring a bell. can you tell me a little bit about looking for a job and what you're saying on the campaign trail, what's important for you. >> i have a couple of interviews lined up already, but it's very competitive to get into a good hospital. and jobs are a huge issue for me. it's very important, students might come out of college with $25,000 in loans, but if they don't have a job to pay it off, what are they supposed to do? >> that's the flip side, gosh, if you don't have the job, and you still have loans, you're in the same boat as someone who has loans but does get a job. >> you're going to a great school for medicine and your earnings potential is high. have you made that cost-benefit analysis, have you gone through your undergraduate studies? you think you're going to be able to shoulder this, i assume. >> i think it's very important that we talk about student loan debt, not only for myself but for my classmates and other undergraduates who are facing a large price tag on their education. i know for me personally, the necessity of having a job is paramount as i look to the next few years and farther on than that. >> especially if you've got all that student loan debt. i want to listen to what the president had to say this week i guess trying to appeal to kids like you, well, young people like you, he's basically been in your shoes, listen. >> michelle and i, we have been in your shoes. when we graduated from college and law school, we had a mountain of debt. when we married, we got poor together. for the first eight years of our marriage, we paid for on student loans than what we paid for a mortgage. >> does that resonate with you? you're a republican. >> yes, it's nice to know that he has had student loans and he's paid them off. i don't think student loans is the biggest issue we should be concerned with. >> what is the biggest issue? >> the job market. the rising education and the job market, if we get those things under control, then people will be able to mpay back their student loans. >> i'm a political science double major a crucial part of being successful is to get an unpaid internship, or a low paid internship so i can't look for that. so i have to look for a josh that might not be as successful for me in the future for my field. >> it's clear that the debt limits the choices that you have and that's what is so concerning to people, without a vibrant job market on the other end, get tarrant county jobs fixed, no matter what job issue we talked by it. >> thank you for joining us, come back again, we want to keep up to date on your progress and have a great spring there in iowa. coming up next, should teachers who bully children be allowed to stay in the school system simply because they have got tenure? we look at one father's -- ♪[music plays] there's another way to help erase litter box odor. purina tidy cats. only tidy cats has new odor erasers... making it easy to keep things at home... just the way you want them. new tidy cats with odor erasers. we talked a lot about bullying on this show. a boy with autism was targeted by his own teachers. mary snow has the details. >> reporter: this 10-year-old's father was diagnosed with autism three years ago. his problem now is not his autism, but the bullying by the people who are supposed to care for him. he is attacking the bullying online. chafen says the problem started this year when he was told his son had punched a teacher and aid. >> i had never seen him hit anybody, that just didn't make any sense. >> reporter: chafen put a recorder in his child's pocket durings the school day. >> oh, boy, knock it off. >> shut your mouth. >> what was your reaction when you first heard that tape? >> well, when i -- that night when i started listening to it, i just shattered inside. >> more than six hours were reported. chafen says the toughest part was listening to his son asking to see his father. >> my soon, when he transitions back to his mom and i, he lives with me full-time. he says may i see dad after mom, which is his way of asking to be reassured he's coming back home. >> reporter: chafen says he went immediately to his son's cherry hill school and credits the -- after receiving a copy of an audio recording, the school district took -- she said there were specifics she couldn't legally address. adding, i want to assure our parents that the individuals who were hurt on the recording raising their voices addressing children no longer work in the district. shay fitz says he felt no choice but to go public. >> everyone is worthy of respect and no one deserves to be treated with cruelty and be humiliated and that we who can speak for him need to stop it by changing the law, exposing people who bully kids and publicly shaming them. >> mary snow. thank you. we did a search. we found incidents like this across the country. chaivetz is looking to remove any barriers where teachers bully children. joining us from los angeles is a legal advocate for change in special needs education and she believes the system should be overhauled. welcome to the program. you know, this teacher, we're told, wasn't fired, but moved to another district. tenure was to blame here. mr. chaivetz outraged by this. he's fighting the people who actually bullied his son. you say parents need to go to war with the district to see any real change. >> absolutely. i see this on my practice on a daily basis. what's going on here is there's two components here. first you have to deal with budget cuts. they don't have the appropriate type of aides qualified/certified to be in the programs. two, we have tell euro. these teachers -- what tenure does -- i understand what tenure does but a lot of these incompetent teachers cannot be removed from the classrooms because of tenure. >> you have a child with special needs, right? >> i do. absolutely. >> you're a parent and an attorney -- someone who represents families. >> i represent children with special needs. >> a woman i know whose son is on the spectrum, if you're not there, they don't care. that's the mantra of parents who put their kids in public school who try to look for help. you have to constantly be a fly on the wall. >> absolutely. >> is that true? >> it's true in some instances. i don't want to say that there's -- that the system's completely broken. there are some very good teachers out there that care about these kids that their hearts are in this, but i also see a lot of teacher ts who don't care, who have become jaded. it takes a very special person, however, you must be present in every day. daily you must ask to be in meetings, be in classrooms. you have to play an active role with your child. all parents should be involved, a mother -- >> should they be paid more so we attract more who have all of those special characteristics you're talking about? >> absolutely. what's happening is budget crises. they're hiring people that are not qualified that maybe have internet training. you need certified, qualified, seasoned specialists in the las ro classrooms with the kids. they're getting paid minimum wage. the aides are in the classroom a lot of time for the paycheck, but you need to have qualified aides in the classroom to make sure these things don't happen so that children are treated correctly. across school districts all over the country. budget cuts are playing a huge, huge role in this. >> thanks, georgia na. we did receive a statement from the cherry hill teacher accused by the father of being present when his 10-year-old sun was being abused. it says mrs. altenburg respects the privacy of her student who has been in her class and who she has taught during the last two years as well as the advocacy of his faefrmt mr. chaifetz, however,s has been disingenuous in his assertion and has failed to advise the public accurately including fact that for at least approximately one hour in the beginning of the day at issue, mrs. alternburg was not even in the classroom with mr. chaifetz. laurie griner joins me next. 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