Retaliation but was the sony picture hack really 100 the work of north korea or could it have been a former sony employee with a score to settle . Good afternoon, everyone. Im jake tapper. The heartbreaking discovery of bodies and debris all but confirm that the worst happen to airasia flight 8501. Crews are working through the night, though the effort may have turned from search and rescue into search and recovery. Indonesian teams pulled debris and bodies from the water today. This is 60 miles from the flights last known location. Now, per airasia, all the search teams are focusing their efforts around that site. Divers and sonar combing the ocean floor hoping to ind into the main cabin of the plane. Earlier today, the companys ceo, tony fernandes, indicated that the floating debris is from 8501. Its probably an airline ceos Worst Nightmare after 13 years of flying millions of people its the worst feeling that one could happen. Fernandes says their focus will remain on focusing on the remains and the passengers and hopefully closure for loved ones still waiting to find out for sure, for absolute certain, what happened to their Family Members. Now, while the discovery of debris is no doubt a gut punch to anyone who had been holding out any hope that there may have been survivors, analysts can now use that information to start to piece together just what may have brought down this plane. Lets bring in cnn aviation cropped rene marsh. What are people saying about what they found and how does it reshape the next steps in the search . Well jake no doubt today was a turning point. They want to answer the primary question what brought down this plane . Reporter for the first time we hear voices from the cockpit of flight 8501 as it takes off from indonesia bound for singapore sunday morning. Debris and wreckage has been found from the airbus 320. It corresponds with the lost plane. Reporter luggage and an emergency slide and bodies. Some of the remains stripped of clothing. It suggests that the airplane hit the water in tact and the force of the impact tore the clothing off the bodies. Reporter aircraft and ships converging on the area including the u. S. Navy sampson and ft. Worth, both ships have helicopters that can aid in recovering wreckage. The crumpling of the metal will tell you whether the plane broke up in one piece. Reporter the water is 80 to 100feet deep making recovery more manageable but it still could take weeks, even months before debris and bodies are recovered. This is what divers dealt with after twa 800 went down. A tangled debris field. Now, one of the key pieces of wreckage they are looking for, the flight recorders. It will have the last 30 minutes of conversation between the crew and any transmissions to air traffic control. And the other black box will give you almost a moment by moment readout of what systems were operating properly. Reporter after the black boxes are found and recovered, they will be taken to a lab like this facility cnn visited earlier this year where it will be disassembled and analyzed for clues. We have a socalled sound library in which we are able to determine particular signature of a sound so like an explosion. Reporter the digital recordings could reveal what was said in the cockpit and if there was a mechanical failure or pilot error. But answers wont come quickly. Often it takes a year to arrive at a final conclusion as to what caused the fatal crash. While we do not know the cause of the crash at this point, it is worth noting the faa rates the Civil Aviation authority in indonesia poorly. Thats the entity that manages the air space. The faa says indonesia Civil Aviation authority does not provide oversight over its air carrier operators. Thats put forward by the aviation arm of the united nations. They set the global standards. Faa saying that this authority, not up to snuff with that. You know a lot of people asking the question why did this plane take off in the first place with these massive storms . We know the faa says you must stay at least 20 miles away from a major thunderstorm like that. Rene the black boxes that you were talking about, assuming that they are recovered, what is the success rate in terms of getting information from them . Well its pretty good. The ntsb could not think of a time when they were not able to get some information or all of the information off of the black boxes. When you think about it they are located in the back of the plane, strategically. In your typical crash, you have the nose going first so its protected back there. Its also all of the information is embedded on the memory chips but they are insulated several layers that protect it from extreme heat and extreme pressure. So chances are, we will get some good information. I want to go right now to surabaya where we have cnns andrew stevens. Thank you very much for joining us. How did the families react when they first saw and heard that not just debris but bodies were being pulled from the water . Reporter jake i was talking to a man whos in with the families of the passengers and he says it was hysterical outbursts, screaming, crying people fainted as the news came through. But it was compounded the pain and suffering was compounded by the fact that they were watching a live News Conference in jakarta and they said it was 90 chance that the debris that had been spotted in the previous hours was, in fact linked to airasia 8501. As he was saying that local television was broadcasting pictures of bodies in the water and there were the families of those passengers sitting there watching this. So as the man said to me, it was just hystericalness. You cannot imagine they are already suffering the pain the anguish, not knowing what has happened and then to see bodies perhaps of their own loved ones in the water, its just beyond comprehension almost. And theyve still got to identify those bodies. They are going to be brought back here to surabaya. They set up a special police hospital. The families are being asked to bring in i. D. Photos samples that they may need to use for dna matches. This is not over by a long long way for the families. Heartbreaking. Yesterday some of the families were expressing frustration at the lack of information that they were getting from the airlines. Are they still having those frustrations . Reporter those frustrations were centering around the fact that there was no new information. It was very difficult to pass on any news at all and obviously the families were getting more frustrated by that. They were getting more information from the television than local authorities. But now the mood does seem to have changed somewhat. Listen to what one of the Family Members told us just a few hours ago. Translator im feeling confused. Ive been waiting here since december 28th. I was so nervous but now im a bit relieved because now we know the aircraft has been found. We hope that our children will be saved by a miracle. Reporter so a little bit relieve. They have an outcome even though it is the worst possible outcome. That man that was speaking there, that couple they had a son who had his family on there, a wife and two children. So what compounds this jake is it is a holiday period here. Its quite a strong connection with singapore. A lot of people were going to singapore to celebrate new years eve. There were a lot of families and big families who were on that plane when it went down. Of the 162 on board, 18 were children. Andrew stevens, live in surabaya, indonesia, thank you. Well have much more on who these passengers were and who they leave behind later in the show. But lets continue on. While the Aerial Search mission continues, divers as well as ships equipped with Sonar Technology are headed to what appears to be the crash zone to help find larger pieces of the plane which could be somewhere near the bottom of the ocean. Cnns tom foreman is live in the virtual room to show us how this ocean search will probably play out. Tom . Jake really what were talking about is three levels of searching going on. We know where the plane took off and where it was headed and where it disappeared and now we know where they found debris. We also know that particularly in these stormy conditions there are very strong currents out in here that have to be considered in terms of what they have done to the first layer of search. The surface layer. Let me explain why that makes it a difference here. If youre talking about the surface of the water, where you have wind blowing and currents at work everything can move around hour by hour by hour. The lightest things can move the most. It serves a purpose because it helps point you below the water but as soon as you move down in this column of water, you start encountering all of these different currents of water which can move anything that is suspended between that top, say, 80 to 100 feet above the floor, it can move things around in here. They have to reverse engineer what the currents were and what they really want to find which is down on the bottom here because down on the bottom is where the flight data recorders will be where youll find the cockpit and wiring and significant parts of the fuselage down here. The wings, the tail the engines. Each about 9,000 pounds. Those are the critical parts, jake and its important to recover the bodies here for the families and for whatever evidence that also brings but all of this parts of the plane is at the bottom. You have to have side scan sonar and robotics and all of that coming together to dig up what they can down there. Jake . Tom, with all of these conditions like the currents that you mentioned, how much can the search and rescue teams reasonably expect to find . I think reasonably they can expect to be very successful at this. I want to remind you of something. This is about the same sort of conditions that we had with twa 800 which crashed off long island in the 1990s. In that case it was about 100 feet of water and after ten months they have recovered every victim and they recovered 95 of the plane, jake. That was critical because when you have all of that you can put it all together and you can see where fractures occurred and what possibly went wrong and what went right and how the plane actually came down. Thats the evidence they need. They found it in twa 800 with very similar circumstances. In this case if they are lucky and the clues point the right direction, they could have the same thing happen. Jake . Tom foreman thank you so much. Searching under water is no easy task but key pieces of wreckage could answer the question as to what really happened and now divers are facing what could be their Biggest Challenges in the days ahead. Thats coming up. [ female announcer ] knows her way around a miniskirt. Can run in high heels. Must be a supermodel, right . You dont know aarp. Because aarp is making finding the career you love no matter what your age, a real possibility. Go to aarp. Org possibilities to check out life reimagined for tools, support, and connections. 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Welcome back to the lead. Now that search crews have recovered some wreckage from airasia flight 8501 they face the daunting task of trying to find the bodies of those who were on board along with of course the allimportant black box. And even though the waters in this part of the sea, the java sea, are relatively shallow, just up to 120 feet deep the mission will not be easy. Lets bring in our guests tim taylor a submersible specialist. Along with david gallo, thanks for being with me. David, let me start with you. The sun will rise in just under two hours in that part of the world. Now that they found three bodies and some debris how will the search play out . Well im guessing that they are going to go right back to that spot and shift the search collapse the big sechlg area and focus on this area with shifts and planes to really identify this debris field. Im sort of mystified that they said there have only been a few bodies. Jake in the earlier segment we heard that objects will drift whether they are pushed around by air or pushed around by currents. Well learn a lot from those bodies and debris. I hate to talk about it that way but well just have to wait and see. I dont understand why there would be so little in one spot and then easily isolated. Its not like theres a horizon and then a debris. Its very odd. Tim, what do you think will be the biggest obstacles these search teams will face when the sun rises in a couple of hours. It seems like some of the operations from the weather seems so calm at night. Definitely that is going to slow them down. Its not possible. Its closer to shore. Its not like its hundreds of miles off shore. They have some ability to joj that weather but weather is going to be the major issue in any type of to expedite this in any way possible its going to be a battle against weather. Tim this part of the sea is relatively shallow. Does that limit the kind of equipment that can be used to find debris and victims . Not really. Some of the big tote systems, its overkill for this area. They can size down that piece of equipment. It brings in rov work and they can stay on the bottom and continually work and stench and move stuff and then when they put divers down its not recreational divers. Its going to be a surface supplied hard hat commercialtype diver that they can communicate with or divers and go down there and do the work. I know youre reluctant to talk about it, because obviously this is a human tragedy and there are people mourning people in real horrific grieve. But i do want to ask about what the debris and what the bodies can tell us. Are there clues, without getting too graphic, that the conditions under which we find metal or even people can tell us about what happened . Yes. They can talk about how these individuals, various souls met their end and as horrible and painful it is to talk about that. And that will be interesting to see because it will did they die at impact in the air, survive for a bit on the surface of the water . There are two things going on. One is the horrific humanitarian effort to obtain the bodies and the fuselage at the bottom of the ocean, which is a initial altogether. Theres that effort and the forensic effort and investigative effort about what happened to the aircraft and for that we need the black boxes. Yeah its a difficult task to have to combine the two but its something that has got to be done for the sake of all involved. Miles obrien, a cnn aviation analyst, is joining us. I want to ask you one quick question, if possible. I assume now with the recovery of the debris that the search grid shrunk. It was Something Like 60 square miles. That will get much smaller, right . Yeah. Its interesting because, as david gallo will tell you, there was noting debris from air france 447 after it disappeared. And that amountllowed them to hone in on the wreckage at the bottom of the sea floor. But it took some time to identify the location. They used bad drift models which put them in the wrong area for quite some time and they ended up at ground zero as it were and found it, obviously getting the black boxes is important. As you say, knowing what pieces fell off as well and when they fell off would tell a lot about how it broke up and exactly what happened to them. Thank you all so much. Appreciate it. Hope is of course dwindling that anyone from flight 8501 will be found alive. The painful reality for families. Into plus plus the support that they are going to need to get from others from around the world. Plus the third ranking House Republican said he did not know that a white supremacist leader was part of the group a few years ago. Can he survive the heat . Narrator these are the tennis shoes skater kid whoa narrator that got torture tested by teenagers and cried out for help. From the surprised designers. Who came to the rescue with a brilliant fix male designer i love it narrator which created thousands of new customers for the tennis shoes that got torture tested by teenagers. The internet of everything is changing manufacturing. Is your Network Ready . Welcome back to the lead. Im jake tapper. Were going to continue our world lead about the mysterious circumstances surrounding airasia flight 8501 and the fact that its discovery is giving loved ones of the 162 people on board some reason to hope that somehow, some way they could be found alive. But now that the debris and the bodies have been found, that hope well its given way to unbearable grief. Some Family Members even fainted, were told when an asian newschannel broadcast pictures of bodies floating in the water. As the harsh reality of this tragedy begins to set in were learning more about the mothers and fathers, husbands and wives and, of course, those 18 children who were on the doomed plane. Reporter for the families praying and waiting for good news each piece of debris discovered represents the destruction of their last hopes. The only slight benefit is that for the people in there, there is some closure. Reporter confirmed wreckage from airasia night 8501 was discovered last tuesday along with three bodies of those on board. This is a scar with me for the rest of my life. Reporter now as victims belongings are collected from the sea, the world is gaining a Bigger Picture of who we lost. 162 souls, including 18 children. One of the first pilots to spot debris told the indonesia newspaper compass that he saw victims floating in the water Still Holding hands. Its symbolic of the tragedy. In this south Korean Church the congregation is weeping for one of their missionaries. As well as for his wife and for their 11monthold daughter gone along with them a fiance whose chance to become a husband will never come. They said that his plane was missing. Reporter his bridetobe explained that he perished on their last trip together. It was supposed to be their last vacation before us got married. Reporter britains only citizen aboard was traveling with his 2yearold daughter zoey when the plane went down. According to the newspaper, the telegraph, the father boarded this flight because there were not enough seats to fly with his wife and son on another. The wife of the pilot is mourning as well. Translator the children still need a father. I still need a guidance from my husband. Hes a good husband, in my eyes and hes a faithful husband. Reporter captain iriyanto his daughter pleading for his return a return that tragically will never happen. And joining me now to discuss the very difficult road ahead for the families of this airline is heidi snow. Heidi lost her fiance in the crash of twa in 1996. She wrote a book about her experience. She is also founder of the support group access which counsels families dealing with aviation tragedies. Heidi, thank you so much for being here. Weve talked to you a number of times. Its always very eye opening. So i guess the question i have right now, the main thing on my mind is most of the bodies have not been found yet. Its difficult to conclude that nen survived this crash but the fact that only three bodies have been found, i wonder if the inclination of the Family Members, to refuse to believe the worst, to hold out hope i wonder how strong that must be. Yeah. And in working with all of the families over the last 18 years and dealing with my experience i have to say that it is very common even though we know that the plane went down and the manifest has been released its really hard to accept that our loved ones are really gone when we dont have remains. I remember leaving the grief spot where we were all gathered together and bodies had still not been recovered and i remember us holding out hope and thinking somehow maybe he swam to safety. Maybe he survived this and so many other families recounting that same hope. So until they receive actual remains, its really difficult to accept the fact that they are truly gone and holding on to hope is very normal at this point. Weve seen this many times. I remember it for myself as well. I just remember im thinking of where they are right now, it really reminds me of twa flight 800 and being at the site and just the families people are waving and quiet and looking down in their laps and in just complete disbelief. People are extremely active trying to help other Family Members and then i just remember families talking about their loved ones just anything trying to keep them alive and every time we spoke of them it was as if we were keeping them alive and hoping that they will come back and ive seen this in the news that weve been watching and weve begun to get calls from people from past air disasters. I feel like so many people walking in their shoes and our access family has really come together as a result of this and from seeing this they all remember being there and just how painful it is for everybody going through this right now. Just looking for answers. Yeah. You and i were talking about this yesterday. Not only are these people affected by the crash but everybody who has lost a Family Member who is seeing this its bringing back these feelings of loss of grief. I wonder what is it like for these families what will it be like for them not in the next week not in the next two weeks but six months from now, nine months from now. Are they in the same place, generally speaking than they are now or how are they going to be able to get, for instance where you are . Right. I mean i founded access for the purpose of being able to learn from other people about how to get through this and how to survive the next day and how to learn from one another. So we set up our support network so mothers to mothers, siblings to siblings sometimes well get a call from a mother who is raising two children and lost her husband. We really make the best possible match when we pair people up so they can learn from each other, how to get through this. They really serve as role models to help them get through their loss. Everybody has to be in their loss for at least two years and then they are on call to help families. That way they have a perspective of time to offer so people have a road map to follow and somebody they can look at somebody and say, they did it. I can do this too. Thats the role of our mentors at access. So that they know they can get to the next day and they can get to the next week. Thank you very much for your perspective. As always we appreciate it. Thank you so much jake. Turning now to our politics lead the third ranking House Republican now doing major damage control. Congressman Steve Scalise claiming he did not know that the group he spoke to in 2002 was a group of white supremacist. More on his explanation. Plus can the speech he made 12 years ago hurt his republican future and the Republican Party at large . Thats next. [ female announcer ] knows her way around a miniskirt. Can run in high heels. Must be a supermodel, right . You dont know aarp. Because aarp is making finding the career you love no matter what your age, a real possibility. Go to aarp. Org possibilities to check out life reimagined for tools, support, and connections. If you dont think ive still got it when you think aarp, then you dont know aarp. Find more surprising possibilities and get to know us at aarp. Org possibilities. Welcome back to the lead. Im jake tapper. Our politics lead in the face of an ugly racial controversy, calling upon a House Republican to step down from his leadership post. But his colleagues are circling the wagons and to explain his 2002 appearance for the statement scalise, who was a state representative at the time said he spoke to Many Organizations about his priorities including cutting spending. Quote, one of the many groups that i spoke to regarding the critical legislation is a group whose views i wholeheartedly condemn. It was a mistake i regret and i emphatically oppose the divisive racial and religious views groups like these hold. The Southern Poverty Law Center said given dukes prominence in politics said its almost impossible to believe. Cnns athena jones is live here with the developing story. This story has been getting attention. None of it is good. They told my colleague that congressman scalise has been working the phones since last night, talking to other gop members in an effort to get damage control. Now hes released a statement apologizing. The one thing hes not doing is stepping down from his leadership post. The thirdranking House Republican is under fire for a 2002 speech he gave to a group founded by former ku klux klan leader. He apologized saying he didnt know the europeanamerican and spoke to many grutoups and it was a mistake to speak to the organization. Earlier in a telephone interview with cnn affiliate wwl, scalise said im not familiar with who that group was but from what ive seen about them, they dont represent the values that i represent. I detest hate groups of any kind. I work with people of all races and colors and try to help people. Whether they voted for me or not and i have a long record of doing that that im proud of. Reporter but after House Speaker scalise apologized House Speaker boehner said that scalise made an error in judgment and i know him to be in High Integrity and character. He has our full confidence as our whip. A spokesman for House Minority leader nancy pelosi blasted scalise. Meanwhile, the only black member of the louisiana congressional delegation told wwl i dont view steve as having racial challenges at all. I think that hes just a hardworking Public Servant that will go talk to anybody at any time. Whether he agrees with their social beliefs or not. Reporter the support of an africanamerican like richmond is significant. The Republican Party is trying to expand their appeal to minorities in hopes to improve their chances on the National Stage in 2016. Were seeing more and more statements of support coming out from congressional republicans, not just from speaker boehner. A lot of folks have a lot of questions about how scalise could not have known about dukes affiliation with this group. Were going to keep a close eye on this story because i dont think its quite over yet. Jake . Athena jones, thank you so much. Larry sabitow is joining me now. Larry, as you heard from athenas report boehner issuing a huge endorsement for scalise saying that hes been called a man of High Integrity and full confidence in him. Are you surprised about such a strong statement of support so early in this scandal . Well its somewhat of a surprise jake. But essentially, boehner is trying to cut this off. Easy val hes evaluated the situation given the Republican Caucus and i think the republican generally think theyve had enough of a shakeup for at least a few years. They a complete shakeup after eric cantor ran for election. So you know i guess thats why boehner did it. He wants to end the controversy before the new conference starts. The caucus is going to pay a price for this and the party generally will pay a price for this. You know one of the things one of the aspects of the story that folks outside are not familiar with louisiana politics much might not understand how influential david duke was in louisiana politics. His views, of course are not abhorrent. Im not excusing him. But when he won for governor in 2001, he won 55 of the white vote. Duke told republicans, quote, if a lot of them better be looking over their shoulders. What do you think about that . Well youre absolutely right about duke. Going back to the 1990s. This is someone who was actually elected to the state legislature as the imperial wizard of the ku klux klan and a neonazi. He defeated the incumbent governor of louisiana got into the runoff and amazingly reelected Edwin Edwards whose slogan was, vote for the crook. Its important. Then duke ran twice for the u. S. Senate. He ran for the house of representatives. Throughout the 1990s, he was a major figure which, by the way, makes it nearly impossible for scalise not to have known what this group was. Just listen jake to the title. Europeanamerican unity and rights organization. Right. I think anybody could figure out what that is and certainly scalise, who was a member of the state legislature himself at the time that he addressed the group. I remember when the former governor of louisiana, mike foster a republican a mainstream politician, he was fined in louisiana because he bought and hid the purchase of david dukes mailing lists. I wonder if you think the issue here is not that scalise is racist necessarily, but that he was trying to get the support of racists, which is not uncommon in whether politicians are dealing with david duke. Thats exactly what he was trying to do. Precisely. Hes trying to sidestep it by claiming this or that and i dont think many people believe it. You know his district both his Congressional District and when he was in the state legislature, his state legislative district those districts were carried by david duke. So of course he needed some of the david duke vote. In fact he probably needed a large majority of it. And thats the political fact of the matter. He doesnt want to admit it now. Speaker boehner doesnt want to admit it now. But we need to recall that every senior republican from the president on down urged Republican Office holders and voters to treat david duke like the plague. And in most parts of the country, they did just that. Unfortunately, in louisiana, they did not. Larry sabato thank you so much, as always. Turning now to a story so strategic and sad and shocking frankly. Its hard to understand how it could happen today at all. Around 11 00 a. M. In a walmart, a 29yearold woman was shot and killed by one of her children when the 2yearold reached into her purse and somehow the gun inside her gun went off and killed her. Cnn affiliate station says the mom and kids were shopping in the back of the story when the handgun fired and killed her. Police tweeted the incident was an accident. According to krkmt, the woman had a concealed weapons permit. Horrible. A group claims it can prove north korea is not responsible for the sony hack. So who is really to blame and why does the fbi insist the claims are wrong . What agents told cnn just a few hours ago. Thats next on the lead. Narrator this is the storm sea captain theres a storm comin narrator that whipped through the turbine which poured. Surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. 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But some experts say it is the North Koreans. Pamela brown is following this for us. Is its confusing, pamela. Its confusing, but to the fbi it is not confusing. According to the officials that ive spoke to they are adamant that the evidence points conclusively to north korea and north korea alone has not changed. Their assessment has not wavered. Despite skepticism among some cyberexperts the fbi is Standing Firm by its conclusion that the north korean government is responsible for the devastating sony hack. A conclusion reinforced by president obama. I think it was an active cybervandalism that was very costly and expensive. We will respond proportionately, as i have said. Reporter some cyberscientists say that the u. S. Government has got it all wrong, saying that the hack was an inside job. North presented their case to the fbi on monday night, which points to four suspects including one former employee a woman code named as lena who worked for sony for ten years before being laid off in may. The suspects at least one, had ties to Critical Knowledge of sony systems. I. P. Addresses, credentials, et cetera. Reporter norse says other people that theyve identified have ties with guardians for peace. The fbi is not going to expose to the public all of the tools in their toolbox. Reporter former assistant fbi director says that the fbi would have evidence that it would not share with the public and that the agency would not point their finger at north korea without rock solid proof. They are not going to be embarrassed. The fbi director stamp is going to be on the answer to this question. And the fbi reiterating today that the conclusion was a result of intelligence gathered from other agencies as well including Homeland Department of security and the investigation is ongoing and remember jake the fbi could always publicly release more information than it already has because this information is ongoing. Pamela braun, thank you so much. Joining me to talk about this is a cybersecurity expert and former Vice President of worldwide internet enforcement for the Motion Picture association of america. Thanks for joining us. Weeks ago you said this was likely a combination of hackers on the outside working with somebody on the inside. What led you to that conclusion almost a month ago and were you surprised when the white house so directly fingered north korea . Well just even a month ago when this first happened immediate type of information coming out wreaked of what i call a crime of passion or a crime of vengeance. And one of the best things about crimes of passion or vengeance is they leave a sloppy crime scene. One of the things that was coming out of this is the information that was being leaked. The emails, for example, were the types of emails only a true hollywood insider would be aware of are the kind that would cause embarrassment to the company or for that matter to the industry. Not something that i think somebody like a north korea or some other foreign nation state would even have the knowledge or the ability to figure that out. And theres a list of other things too. But ill stop for a second. What are some of the other evidence electronic evidence that would fit into your version of what may have happened the emotional ticked off exemployee . So in addition to that the first email that came out wasnt about the movie. It was about pay inequity. Thats the only thing it was focused on. In addition to that the code and ill call it the bullet if you will that was chosen to shoot at sony the bullet had specific names on it, computer names that it was supposed to hit an attack. Things that you would have to have knowledge of the mapping of the internal network to be able to put that in hard code on the bullet itself. It wasnt just something that they went fishing, looking. They knew exactly where to go exactly where to target and the fact that they would find a gold mine which in fact they did. Im trying to imagine what if the u. S. Government after president obama pointed his finger at north korea is forced to backtrack. Besides being embarrassing it would really Say Something quite stunning about our governments ability to conduct cybersecurity. Well i would actually look at this a slight bit differently. Im a fan of the fbi. They are a very Thoughtful Organization when it comes to investigating whether its physical or online crimes. And in this particular case you may have a situation where its actually both. It could be that these internal hackers remember they were fired supposedly if its the ones were talking about, six months ago. They could have set up the back door. North korean hackers are already getting ready for the movie to come out, trying to figure out what their reaction is going to be and come upon something and all of a sudden theres this culmination of a perfect storm where you have internal disgruntled employees starting something that the North Koreans take advantage of. So it could be just as well true that the fbi is sticking by the fact that it is in fact north korea without completely ignoring the fact that it could be insiders who either inadvertently or on purpose ended up helping another country. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thats it for the lead. I now turn you over to Brianna Keilar in for wolf blitzer in the situation room. Grim discovery. 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