Here . Plus, moment of truth. One of the democratic frontrunners makes it official. Im running to serve you as the next president as the 2020 candidates try to stand out. We cant just stand up and say not trump. Who else might jump in . Potential democratic candidate congressman seth moulton is here. Hello, im jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is gearing up for a new phase. President trump is in florida this morning after a week of first relief and then quickly confusion for his administration following the conclusion of the Mueller Investigation as the attorney general prepares to release a redacted version of the full report, the president seemed to step on his own victory lap with a sudden announcement on health care, surprising even top republicans. Despite the reported objections of top cabinet officials, including the Vice President and attorney general, the Trump Administration announced it would join a texas lawsuit arguing that the entire Affordable Care act, or obamacare, is unconstitutional. Without any clear answer as to what would happen to the 20 million americans who would Lose Health Insurance if obamacare is killed and setting up a political battle over health care ahead of 2020. The president is also raising the stakes on the battle over immigration, declaring his administration will cut off aid to three Central American countries. Experts within his own administration say cutting off that money would exacerbate the immigration crisis, as the president threatens again to close the u. S. mexico border this week. And joining me now to discuss this and more is acting white house chief of staff Mick Mulvaney. Mr. Mulvaney, as always, thanks so much for joining us. President trump has previously said he wants the public to see the Mueller Report, but heres what he tweeted on friday. Help us understand this the problem is no matter what the radical left democrats get, no matter what we give them, it will never be enough. Just watch, they will harass and complain and resist, the theme of their movement, so maybe we should just take our victory and say, no, weve got a country to run when the president says no there in that tweet, is he suggesting that the full Mueller Report should not be released . Jake, good morning. Thanks very much for having me on this sunday morning. No, take the president at his word, that it is time to sort of work on policy. Yes, we need to figure out what went wrong with the Mueller Report, why, in all fairness to your network, why the media got it so wrong for so long, but it is time to talk about health care. It is time to talk about trade. It is time to talk about other things, while at the same time talking about why it came down the way that it did. It was so thorough, and yet so accurate. How did the media get it so wrong . I think the president s just venting the same frustration a lot of people had when the Mueller Report came out and it turned out exactly like he said that it would. So now as usual, you take the president at his word in his tweets. He wants it released, but im not so sure what youre saying the media got wrong. The media reported the investigation, what was going on. Other than the people in the media on the left, not on this network, i dont know anybody who got anything wrong. We didnt say that there was conspiracy. We said that mueller was investigating conspiracy. Thats fine, if thats your recollection of history, thats great. Face it, come on, the media got this wrong, jake. Its okay. People get stuff wrong all of the time, just not at this level. But its done now. The report is there. Its extraordinarily thorough, as you know. I think they talked to 500 people, issued 2,800 subpoenas, and it completely exonerates the president. Theres no collusion. Theres no obstruction of justice have you read the Mueller Report . Its exactly what the president said it was. No, neither have you. Ive read the barr summary, which is what everyone else has read. But youre making statements that i dont know what the Mueller Report says, and i was just asking, are we going to see the Mueller Report . There were in addition to all those interviews you talked about dozens of indictments, including jail time for people close to the president. Let me ask you about this. The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, adam schiff, he listed off several events the trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer promising dirt on hillary clinton, Michael Flynn lying about conversations with the russian ambassador, Paul Manafort sharing polling data. He had this to say about those events. Take a listen. I dont think its okay. I think its immoral. I think its unethical. I think its unpatriotic. And yes, i think its corrupt. And evidence of collusion. I do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is okay. Now, from what we know, the special counsel concluded there is not sufficient evidence for any criminal charges having to do with conspiracy or collusion, but what do you think about his larger point that the actions were unethical . Keep in mind that everything that adam just talked about and i know adam. I used to serve with him in congress. Everything he just listed right there was available to mr. Mueller, probably in greater detail than adam goes into, and yet, mr. Mueller found no collusion and no obstruction right, not a crime, but what about the ethics or morality of those things . Again, the issue here is not whether its ethical. Mr. Schiff runs the House Intelligence Committee. People dont realize this, he gets to see stuff that a lot of members in congress dont get to see. I didnt get to see what he was seeing when i was in the house. That role takes with it a huge responsibility. And one of those responsibilities is to not be partisan. Its why you saw so many republicans this week call for adam to resign his position. That position is so critical that if someone comes forward and theyre the House Intelligence Committee chairman and they look at the other members and say look, ive seen a bunch of stuff, you havent seen it, you dont get to see it, but i do, ive seen it, trust me, it says xyz, they have to be able to trust that person implicitly, and adam has lost that ability to do it. Thats why you heard so many republicans call upon his resignation this week. Look, there are some democrats who simply cant get over the fact that President Trump is president. I get that. Adam is apparently one of them. But we really do think enough is enough and its time to move to other anything. All im saying is youre setting the bar on criminal charges or evidence of conspiracy and i agree that there is none there, but hes talking about ethics and morality, and youre saying thats not his job. Okay, fair enough, but forgetting adam schiff for a second, what about the larger point about ethics and morality . Well, i think the voters are going to decide about the ethics and morality of the people they vote for on either side. People liked bill clinton even though they might not have thought he was that ethical. Thats not the job of the House Intelligence Committee. Its not the job of the house judiciary committee. Its not the job of the House Oversight committee. Theyre supposed to review the functioning of government. Voters make decisions about the candidates in other places. And importantly, members of congress, even if they are the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, dont get to substitute their judgment for the voters, and that is what this is all about at the end of the day. Thats what the Mueller Report was about. Thats what youre seeing now on the hill. Its about trying to figure out how to undo what the voters did in 2016, and thats where i think people just had enough and said, look, we gave mueller the time, all the resources in the world, millions of dollars, two years. A lot of folks, including this station, said give mueller the time, let him do his job, but the decision is in. The president did not collude and did not obstruct. Its time to move on. Lets move on right now in this interview and talk about health care. The Trump Administration reversed positions this week to argue that federal courts should strike down all of obamacare. Reportedly going against concerns from the health and Human Services secretary alex azar, attorney general bill barr, Vice President mike pence. Now, more than 20 million americans are poised to lose their Health Care Insurance if the court sides with you. What is the plan for them . A couple things about that. What you said at the beginning is not accurate. I wont go into all of the discussions we had in the white house, but there is absolutely zero daylight between the president and the Vice President on this issue. Both of them campaigned on obamacare being unconstitutional. Keep in mind what happened this week, just for some context here. We had to decide to file a brief in a case in the fifth circuit, and the Previous Department of justice under Jeff Sessions had taken the position that some of the Affordable Care act, some of obamacare should survive that legal challenge. The president simply said, no, i ran against obamacare being constitutional. It is unconstitutional. Were going to take that position in the court. That was the decision that was made today. Okay. Look, heres what were going to do on health care. We said this in the very beginning. Were going to give people the choices that they want, the affordability that they need, and the quality that they deserve. Weve said that from the very beginning. Right, but wheres the plan . Well, were doing the same thing on this that we did with taxes. Remember when we started with taxes, people criticized us for not giving enough details. What did we do . We sent principles to the hill. I think it was one or two pages. And from that, following the proper legislative process, we got a tremendous tax bill that passed into law, also got rid of the individual mandate at that time just as an added benefit. Were going to do the same thing on health care. As to preexisting conditions, i know a lot of folks have raised that. Keep in mind, every single plan that this administration has ever come out with has covered preexisting conditions. Every single plan let me stop you there for a second, sir. Let me finish because every plan out of the House Republicans and Senate Republicans has covered preexisting conditions. The debate about preexisting conditions is over. Everybody supports it. Anybody telling you Something Different is just not being accurate. But heres the thing. Yes, the republican bills talked about protecting people with preexisting conditions. The difference between that and obamacare is obamacare says were protecting people with preexisting conditions, just like the republican plan, you cannot deny somebody Health Insurance because they have a preexisting condition. The difference with the obamacare plan is they say and you cant charge those people more in insurance premiums. The republican plans do not do that. Lets talk about that for a second. Lets talk about what obamacare does and lets talk about why the democrats felt so incumbent upon themselves to offer plans to improve obamacare, because they know its broken. Look, i used to be on obamacare when i was a member of congress. Dont believe the stories about how we exempted ourselves. The deductibility was tens of thousands was over 10,000 for my family. Lets talk about the preexisting condition. You were talking about that. Lets talk about preexisting conditions. If youve got a preexisting condition and you have to pay 2,000 or 3,000 a month for your premium, 10,000 for a deductible, youre talking about 25,000, 30,000 a year outofpocket expenses. Thats not Affordable Care, even for folks with preexisting conditions. Obamacare does not work. Even the democrats admit that right now. Face it, there were tens of millions of people who were paying a fine, paying a fee, rather than take obamacare. Thats people telling you it doesnt work. We know it. They know it. Its just a question of whos got the better idea for how to fix it. First of all, larger picture here. There is no republican plan right now. Youre talking about how you want one, but there is no republican plan right now. You personally, as well as republicans in congress, have been opposing obamacare for a decade as of this year, and yet, youre talking about, youre taking legal action to remove obamacare, to kill obamacare with no replacement for these tens of millions of americans. Now keep in mind, the lawsuit is actually filed by 20 states attorneys general. They were the ones who said right, and the administration joined it. Yes, we did. We joined that today. But we didnt file a lawsuit to get rid of obamacare. We simply looked at the constitution and said you know what, the state correct. So as to the plan, keep in mind. We came up with a bunch of ideas out of the white house. Yes, they didnt pass, primarily because john mccain went back on his word to vote for it middle of the night. Thats another story for another day. But youve season the details from republicans and what were going to do over the next couple months, because the lawsuit will move fairly slowly, is to come up with something that can pass into law. Wed love to work with democrats. We dont think theyre going to do that with us until that lawsuit is over. But wouldnt it be responsible to have the replacement there before you take the insurance away from the individuals, the tens of millions of americans who are relying on it . Would it be responsible for the democrats to pass a decent bill in the first place . They didnt do that. They admit that. But im not talking about 2009. Im talking about 2019. Im talking about today. No, the democrats just introduced a bill this week to supposedly fix obamacare because they know its broken. I know that didnt get a lot of coverage, but that happened. By the way, their answer is spend more money, let the government do more things. But you dont have a plan. Youre talking about taking away insurance from tens of millions of americans and you dont have a plan ready for them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, were talking about passing something that is constitutional. If the courts are right keep in mind, obamacare lost at the trial court level. The Trial Court Judge ruled that obamacare was entirely unconstitutional. Thats not the courts fault. Thats the democrats fault. And president obamas fault for passing and signing a piece of legislation that violates the constitution. Even if you like that piece of legislation, you dont get to keep a law just because you like it if its unconstitutional. Were trying to fix that. So no, dont tell me that were taking action to try and kick people off of health care. Thats not correct. What were trying to do is pass a piece of legislation that meets the requirements of the United States constitution. But you havent introduced legislation. I want to move on because were running out of time, to the border. Sure to. President trump threatening to close the border over immigration. This would have an economic impact, the southern border has close to 1. 5 billion dollar in trade with mexico every day. Ron johnson says closing the border would be, quote, a selfinflicted wound on our economy. Are you concerned at all about closing the border, given the effect it will have on the American Economy . Sure, but were also concerned about the effect on the American Economy and the nation as a whole from having more than 100,000 people cross illegally this month. If we close the borders, why would we do that . Because we need the people who are working at the legal ports of entry to go patrol and im not making this up where theres no wall. We were not lying to people when we said that this was an emergency. Very few people believed us, especially folks in the media and the Democratic Party. It is an emergency. I think you saw an interview with jay with jeh johnson on another network this week that said 4,000 people per day, which is what we had its absolutely a humanitarian crisis. I dont question that for one second, and i never had. Congress wont give us any money to fix it. They wont change the law to fix it, so were going do the best with what we have, and if that means pulling people off the ports of entry to put them out on the border where theres no wall, we will absolutely do that. Let me ask you, because the state department told cnn yesterday that the u. S. , the Trump Administration, is going to cut off aid to the northern triangle countries, the Central American countries, el salvador, guatemala, honduras. Your own border experts in your own administration say that investing in those countries is working. For instance, in el salvador, and migration from el salvador has gone down as well. Isnt this also selfdefeating . Taking away aid from those countries will ultimately make the migration crisis worse . Listen, there are a lot of good ways to solve this problem. Congress could do it, but theyre not going to do. Mexico needs to do more. Honduras could do more, nicaragua and el salvador could do more. And if were going to give these countries hundreds of millions of dollars, we would like them to do more. Jake, that is not an unreasonable position. We could prevent a lot of whats happening on the southern border by preventing people from moving into mexico in the first place. Right, but thats what the usaid money does is it makes those countries more stable. This is not according to me. This is according to experts in your own administration. Look, career staffers. But lets talk about that for a second. If its working so well, why are the people still coming . Why are these historic numbers, again, 100,000 people will cross the border this month alone. That is a crisis. Its a humanitarian crisis. Its a security crisis. I think, at least now, people are starting to realize that we were not exaggerating a couple months ago when we had this nationwide debate about the wall. So i hear what youre saying, that people say its working, but the proof is in the numbers. Its not working well enough to help us solve our border crisis, and thats what the president s focused on. President trump reversed his administrations proposed cuts for the Special Olympics on friday. A department of education official told cnn that the Education Department made repeated requests to include Special Olympics funding, but the office of management and budget, which i believe you are still the formal head of, denied those repeated requests. President trump subsequently has overruled you and omb and gone with what doe, the Education Department, originally wanted to do. Why were requests for Special Olympics funding denied initially and repeatedly . Those debates go on all the time. Theres folks on all different sides of arguments when it comes to the entire piece of the budget. Keep in mind, the budget is 1. 3 trillion. Thats 1,300,000 of which Special Olympics was 17 million. These debates take place all of the time. What did the president do . The president simply listened to people. Thats what he does. When the president realized the public wanted this money, he made the change. This is what he does. Its his budget. Yes, we have disagreements amongst ourselves. I hope that people would encourage that. We are not simply running around with a bunch of yes people saying, you know, not discussing anything. We have real serious issues or real serious discussions about serious issues. The president makes the final determination. He wanted to make the change. He made the change. Were happy to move forward from here. Mick mulvaney, always good to have you. Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your sunday. Thanks, jake. You, too. 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Former Vice President joe biden has just responded to a letter by a former Arizona State lawmaker. Lucy flores, who says before a Campaign Event in 2014, the Vice President stood behind her backstage, smelled her hair, kissed the back of her head. Flores writes that made her feel uneasy, gross and confused. In a statement moments ago, the former Vice President says hes given countless handshakes and hugs on the campaign trail, and not once never did i believe i acted inappropriately. If it is suggested i did so, i will listen respectfully. But it was never my intention. Joining me now is former nevada state lawmaker lucy flores. Assemblywoman flores, thanks so much for joining us. Of course. Lets go back to that day in november 2014, the Vice President , biden, has come to nevada for a Campaign Event. Youre running for lieutenant. Governor. Youre both backstage waiting to go on stage. What happened next . Well, it happened all so suddenly. You know, anyone whos ever been at a rally recognizes that there is just chaos, theres a lot of energy, everyones running back and forth. Eva longoria was there. We were all lined up next to the stage. Eva was in front of me. Joe biden was behind me. Im kind of preparing myself to give these remarks. Its the very last days before the election. And very unexpectedly and out of nowhere, i feel joe biden put his hands on my shoulders, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, smell my hair and then plant a slow kiss on the top of my head. And that in and of itself might not sound like its a very serious thing. That in and of itself might sound like it was innocent and well intentioned. But in the context of it, as a person that had absolutely no relationship with him afterwards, as a candidate who was preparing to make my case for why i should be elected the second in command of that state, to have the Vice President of the United States do that to me so unexpectedly and just kind of out of nowhere, it was just shocking. It was shocking because you dont expect that kind of intimate behavior. You dont expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful and someone who you just have no relationship whatsoever to touch you and to feel you and to be so close to you in that way. So i frankly just didnt even know how to react. I was just shocked. I felt powerless. I felt like i couldnt move. I just didnt even know how to process it. And my bigger point that ive been making is that in these power dynamic situations, and women are subjected to this in the political setting but in work settings all the time, that you just kind of process it and then you move on, because you have a job to do. And frankly, what do you say . Who do you tell . Who do you there just isnt really a mechanism to deal with it. And so, thats what i did. I went on and i made my case and campaigned, and frankly, then went on with my life, because again, what do you do . So, Vice President biden and his team just released a statement just moments ago from mr. Biden. Heres what it says in my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, i have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection, support and comfort, and not once, never did i believe i acted inappropriately. If it is suggested i did so, i will listen respectfully, but it was never my intention. We have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences and men should Pay Attention and i will. Whats your response . Well, i certainly think that its better than his first statement, that they released on saturday. I am glad that hes willing to listen. Im glad that he is clarifying his intentions. Frankly, my point was never about his intentions and they shouldnt be about his intentions. It should be about the women on the receiving end of that behavior. And this isnt the first time, and it wasnt the only incident where he was acting inappropriately with women. If he is saying that he never believed that that was inappropriate, then frankly, i think thats a little bit of a disconnect. Not being aware, a sense of not being aware, because there has been documentation both in photos, videos, stories that were written. Now, that being said, i think that part of the reason why i decided to finally Say Something is because those behaviors were not being taken very seriously. They were not being considered from the perspective of the woman on the other side of that power dynamic, on the side, on the receiving end. And i just cant imagine that there was never a situation where someone said to him, Vice President , mr. Vice president , you probably should stop doing that, you should probably stop touching women in that way, you should probably keep your hands to yourself. So, assemblywoman flores, you write in the piece that you wrote for the cut that you know that people might accuse you of being politically motivated here. We should point out you supported Bernie Sanders in 2016, running for president. Hes running again. You attended a beto orourke Campaign Event yesterday. Youve told us that you havent endorsed any candidate yet. You havent decided who you want to support. But how would you respond to somebody out there who says shes attending a beto rally, she supported bernie in 2016, politics might be at least partially motivating you here . What would you tell those people . I would say politics was definitely the impetus. The reason why were having these conversations about Vice President joe biden is because hes considering running for president. And frankly, the reason why i felt so compelled to finally Say Something was because over the years as this behavior was documented, as it was, frankly, dismissed by the media and not taken seriously, that conversation was not coming up in the discussions about whether or not he would in a complete analysis of his history, of his record, as we go through the vetting process for all of these candidates, that important aspect was being left out, and it was being dismissed, and it wasnt being acknowledged. And for me, that was one incredibly offensive, and two, i think really speaks to the fact that when behavior isnt considered, quote unquote, serious enough for society, for america, its very easy to dismiss it, you know . I fully recognize that this behavior never do i claim that this rises to a level of a Sexual Assault or anything of that nature. What i am saying is that its completely inappropriate, that it does not belong in any kind of professional setting, much less in politics, and that is something that we should consider when we are talking about the background of a person who is considering running for president. Did you have any conversations about what happened with any president ial campaign before you wrote that piece for the cut . No. No, you havent talked to anybody. No. Vice President Biden is widely expected to announce a run for president in the coming weeks. You say that is why you decided to speak out now. Do you think that this is disqualifying for him . For me its disqualifying. I think its up to everybody else to make that decision. Considering, again, the entire scope of his background, of the positions that hes taken. For me, this isnt the only problematic thing. I think that his response to the way in which he handled the anita hill hearing was completely also inappropriate and lacked empathy. And frankly, lacked accountability, you know, saying that he wishes there was something more he could have done i think is just, its just, again, a complete lack of accountability. You were the chair. You were the chair of that hearing, and you could have done anything you wanted. So, you know, in addition to previous antiabortion positions hes taken, et cetera, i find a lot of his background problematic, but thats for me personally. And what i think is also important and part of the reason why i felt a little bit less pressure in terms of speaking out is that we are often pressured to keep our mouths shut about anything. We as party loyalists, as party stalwarts, as foot soldiers for the party, we are expected to, quote unquote, keep our dirty laundry to ourselves. And its always in service to the party. And in this case, there are so many more incredible candidates that are just as likely, and i believe are competent and amazing and can beat donald trump. And so, i did feel like a little i felt a little less pressure in terms of feeling like i could speak out because we have options. We have options, and i dont feel pressured to stay quiet and just take one for the team the way in which were always asked to do and never speak out about the things that we believe are wrong. The cofounder of the latino victory project, henry munoz, who organized this event in november 2014, released a statement that i know youve seen. It says in part, at no time were these two leaders you and the Vice President , alone together and i and the organization i cofounded and those in attendance do not believe that circumstances support allegations that such an event took place. Whats your response to that . I think you left out the most important part of that quote, which is that he says he doesnt believe that the circumstances supported that because the premise of his statement is that we were never alone. Thats literally what that statement says, that he asked everyone, that him and i were never alone, and therefore, because we were never alone, that could have never happened. And you never claimed that you were alone. No, of course. That statement is entirely irrelevant. That literally has no application. Henry needs to go back and actually read my piece, because i never claimed that i was alone with him. In fact, i very clearly say that this occurred in the chaos of a rally. Eva was in front of me, he was behind me. And frankly, there is so many documented instances of him doing the exact same thing, that to me, whether you believe me or not isnt as important as literally taking a look at the entire history of his behavior because its out there. And this is something that we have known for a long time, jake. This isnt something thats new. So, my last question for you, assemblywoman flores, and i do want to take a moment to acknowledge its not easy to do what youre doing, and i thank you for coming on and having the courage to do so, but what are you looking for from the Vice President here, Vice President biden . Are you looking for an apology . Are you looking for him to change his behavior . Whats the end game here . What do you want . Absolutely i would, yes, of course i want him to change his behavior. And i want him to acknowledge that it was wrong. And i want this to be a bigger discussion about how there is no accountability structure within our political space, either for instances in which women feel that there was inappropriate behavior, or more serious instances and allegations of Sexual Assault, et cetera. We are not protected in politics. And frankly, on a much larger scale, we also need to have a conversation about powerful men feeling that they have the right to invade a womans space whenever theyd like. This really is about women feeling like we have agency. We dont want you to touch us, then dont touch us. If there isnt a personal relationship, if there isnt a history there, if this isnt appropriate. If this same situation occurred in a work setting and a ceo came up to a female staffer and did the exact same thing, that staffer would be able to complain to someone. That staffer would say, this was very weird and it made me feel very uncomfortable and he needs to stop doing this. And if that ceo continued that behavior and that was a pattern in practice, that would be a Sexual Harassment claim. Assemblywoman so there needs to be that level of accountability in our political system and also just generally speaking now as we move forward. Women should have agency in their own personal space and on their own bodies. Assemblywoman flores, thank you so much for your time today. We appreciate it. Thanks, jake. My next guest stood up to nancy pelosi and lost. Now hes strongly considering a run for president. Ill ask why hes the best person for the job next. Stay with us. To help manny overcome his fear. Their gps took them to places out of a storybook. And they called grandma when manny felt sad about not being able to swim. Overall, they shared 176 pictures. But when the moment came, they held their breath, and watched their son learn to believe in himself. I was a captain of industry. A master of my domain. 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Thats how had he phrased it. And senator warren says Vice President biden needs to answer this. What do you think . He does need to answer this. I also just saw his statement. He said we need to listen to women, and he is right, we need to listen to women. The bottom line here is that Women Deserve the respect and the opportunity to share these stories. And it takes tremendous courage to do so. And thats not easy what she just did on tv. It takes a lot of courage and god knows shes going to get a lot of backlash for talking about this, but women need to have the opportunity and the respect to share their stories. Youve recently said youre seriously looking at running for president of the United States. You were just in iowa and made trips to New Hampshire and south carolina, going to nevada next week, all early voting states in 2020. Have you learned anything from your trip so far that has brought you closer to announcing that youre running for president . Ive been talking to a lot of veterans especially, starting with veterans and students and trying to understand what they want to see in the next commander in chief. And you know, we have a tremendous opportunity right now in this country, but we also have a lot of problems. We have a lot of people who are really, really hurting, people who have just been completely left out of this economic change. People who do not trust the commander in chief, whether they agree with him or not. The hardest job that i had in the marines was bringing together people from all over this country with different religious beliefs, different political beliefs, and getting them united behind a single mission, a Common Mission to do whats right for this country in the midst of a very difficult environment in the iraq war. And i think thats what we need in the next commander in chief, someone who can make sure that every american has a job in the new economy, not the old. Someone who can work hard to ensure that every american has access to health care and we get weapons of war off our streets. And fundamentally, a commander in chief who you might not agree with, but you can trust. Thats what this election is going to be about, jobs, security, and trust. And when i ill tell you what, one thing you know about me, jake, is im a patriotic american. This country is not perfect. We havent gotten race right. We havent gotten womens rights correct yet. We havent gotten health care right. We havent gotten education right. But at our best, were a country that believes that we might. I believe in america and i want to help other americans believe in this country, too. So, when are you going to make a final decision, do you think . So, liz and i, my wife, are talking about this. Its a family decision. Its something that we have to commit to together you have a new baby. We have a new baby. Shes not taking part in these discussions, although shes certainly but thats a consideration. Absolutely a consideration. You know, it was amazing when i knew i couldnt make a decision like this until i understood what it was like to be a father. And as much as i got advice from people about what that would be like, we all know that its different when it happens to you. And i love this girl more than i could ever imagine. I mean, ive just met her. Shes only 5 1 2 months old and im completely in love with her and its hard to leave her every time i go to washington for a few days. But i also feel even more invested in her future than maybe i did ever before in this job because i dont want her growing up in this country. And what do you mean you dont want her growing up in this country . The way that it is, with a commander in chief that we fundamentally cant trust, where women are disrespected, where she doesnt have the same opportunities that a little boy growing up at the same time would have. We have a lot of things to fix in this country, and if i can be a small part of doing that, then thats a compelling reason to run. So ultimately were going to talk about this and decide in the next few weeks. Next few weeks. I want to talk about a couple issues. Special counsel muellers report said he, quote, did not establish conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and russia, according to barrs memo. Adam schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, a democrat, is standing by his claim that he sees evidence of collusion. Should democrats keep talking about this or is it time to move on . Well, we should keep talking about it as far as its our constitutional duty. You know, the republicans have just asked for adam schiff to resign. We dont live in a country where when youre standing up for the constitution and doing your job, you get asked to resign because people disagree with you. And i dont think its lost on people the irony of devin nunes calling adam schiff to resign. Thats like the National Enquirer calling the New York Times fake news. We can do better than this. And if theres one conclusion of the Mueller Report thats clear, its that russia interfered in our election, so what democrats and republicans should be talking about is how to prevent that from happening in the future. And instead, this is why i talk about National Security. I know its not a very popular issue in this campaign right now, but National Security is not just about preventing russia from invading us with tanks into western europe, which is what a lot of people seem to be focused on. Russias trying to hack our elections and Robert Mueller was clear about that. China is attacking us through the internet every day and stealing our Business Ideas and military place. Thats where a lot of american jobs are going. So lets talk about that kind of National Security, rather than build this fifthcentury ridiculous border wall on the southern border, lets talk about a cyber wall that will stop russia and china from interfering in our business. Speaking of jobs, theres a debate going on in the Democratic Party, the Green New Deal has been at the forefront of Climate Change conversations. Youve proposed your own federal green corps. One of the core tenants of the Green New Deal, as introduced by your senator ed markey and congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez, is a federal jobs guarantee. Do you support a federal jobs guarantee . No. But i do support increased national service. I think wed be a stronger country if more young people had the opportunity to serve. And if you think back to the new deal, the core tenant of the new deal was a civilian conservation corps. It got people to work. It gave them an opportunity to serve the country. It brought america together at a very difficult time in the 1930s, right in the leadup to world war ii. The opportunity we have today is to make the Green New Deal not just good for the climate but good for jobs as well, good for the economy, to put people to work helping to make energy helping to make buildings more energyefficient, helping to address Climate Change across this country, not just in cities, but in places like iowa, where Carbon Farming should be part of the solution. I talked about that this week as well. The point is, we have two big problems in this country, two big challenges Climate Change and jobs, the changing economy. Lets work on those together and lets make sure that the Green New Deal is good for the economy, not bad. You called for nancy pelosi to step aside after the 2018 midterms, saying the party needed new leadership. A lot of democrats and even some republicans have been giving Speaker Pelosi credit for how she handled the government shutdown, how she stood up to President Trump, how shes empowering new numbers of congress. Were you wrong . Do you think shes done a good job . I do think shes done a good job, but i think we have to make sure that this historically diverse class of freshmen, the most diverse class youve ever seen, including with a lot of veterans, a lot of veterans who won tough seats to take back the house, that they have a voice in the future. And so, im proud of the deal we came to. You know, we came to a compromise that enabled her to get elected speaker, that set term limits for the top three leadership positions remember, this isnt just about Speaker Pelosi, its about the top three, and its about giving the new democrats, these new faces in the party, an opportunity to have a voice in the future. You know, if, frankly, jake, if we had succeeded in just getting three new leaders at the top and they were here for the next 20 years, that wouldnt be success. So, where we ended up, the deal that we made with Speaker Pelosi i think is a big win for the party, its a big win for the future, and its definitely a win for the younger voices in our party who want to make sure that they have a voice that people can look at them and say thats the future of the Democratic Party and the future of the country. Thank you, congressman. Good to see you. So nice of you to say that youll commit to announcing your president ial bid on my show. You never actually said that. 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And if you look at the border and you look at the hundreds of thousands of people that are invading, or at least trying to invade our country those who are just three or four blocks from here, detained under the international bridge that connects us with mexico, they are our fellow human beings and deserve to be treated like our fellow human beings President Trump and former congressman beto orourke framing the 2020 conversation around immigration and illegal immigration with the president doubling down on his divisive language, and orourke launching his Campaign Just steps from the border. Lets discuss dr. Al sayyed, let me start with you. You were a candidate for michigan governor and a democrat. What do you make of this . Might this be a winning issue for President Trump . I know hes trying to make it a winning issue. The big challenge here, though, is coming from michigan, i know that his policies, whether it be starting a trade war in china, or potentially closing down the border, are decimating the very people he said he wanted to help, whether theyre farmers who do business across the border or manufacturing which we know our supply lines go all over the border. Theyll get hurt the most from this. And so, hes not delivering for his base. Hes trying to give them raw meat, but really whats happening is hes taking away the sustenance at their dinner tables. What do you make of that argument . I actually agree with that. I think the idea of closing the borders a bad idea. I understand why the president s doing it. Hes upset with mexico and has every reason to be upset with mexico. Mexico could solve this problem. The people that are coming over that are flooding, that are creating this crisis at the border are not mexicans. And mexico is letting people from honduras and el salvador and guatemala come through their country, stacking up at the border, not controlling any kind of flow of immigration. So, the president is, you know, he does this. He sort of flails and makes what i think are not particularly helpful charges against mexico, but the core of the problem is mexico and he needs to go after them. Jeh johnson, obamas secretary of homeland security, he says this is a crisis. Isnt it a crisis . He did, but he also, more fulsomely than other republicans have been talking about the last day or so, he was talking also about the fact that you have children and families now, the overcrowding, people being held in these sort of cages, under overpasses, and that is a crisis. There is a humanitarian crisis in addition to the fact that were just not solving the problem. Now, we know, this is what, how many years in a row do we know, this is the time of year when we see this increase in the migrations because of the temperature and the weather and before the heat of the summer. So, this was predictable. So, when you then also have the president talking about cutting aid, and you talked about this to Mick Mulvaney in your interview when youre then talking about cutting some of the programs that actually seem to be working in Central America to keep people, what is the plan . I mean, its sort of like their health care. Theyre just sort of throwing out the red meat for the base without actually having a plan. And i dont think anybody thinks that deporting children without their parents back to their home countries is a good idea. Let me ask you, amanda, because i think its fair to say youre skeptical of President Trumps leadership, but youre a conservative republican. You dont like obamacare. You want the flow of undocumented immigrants to stop. What did you think about Mick Mulvaneys answers when it came to answers about wheres the replacement for obamacare or why is eliminating money for these Central American governments going to help the problem instead of making it worse . I think in both cases, President Trump is trying to scare people into taking action, whether thats mexico and the northern triangle countries or republicans on capitol hill. I think President Trump is right to try to pump those Senate Republicans into action. They need a plan. Come up with something. Rick scott, barrasso, theyve been kicking around plans forever, so certainly they could put something together. So in this case, i think President Trump, it is a little chaotic and haphazard, but i do think hes putting the spotlight on the right issues. Jake, the question i have to ask is at what point did we become okay with the least common denominator being destroying things . We always have been a country that had a level of empathy and leadership in the world. And when it comes to health care in particular, what were seeing is just an intellectual bankruptcy from the republican party. Lets tear this thing down without an actual plan, a plan, by the way, the aca, that originated out of the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank. There are not other options on the right. Were not seeing them. But can we also say, though, politically sorry that politically, consistently, a majority of Americans Trust democrats on health care. They do not trust the republican party. And frankly, if you look at 2017, there is not a reason to trust the republicans to be able to deliver on health care. So, if President Trump wants to make 2020 about health care, i say bring it on. That is great news for democrats. It cannot be about health care. Its too important to too many people. The democrats lost four elections in a row on the issue of health care and we won 2018. And you won 2018. And the reason why is because republicans didnt have an answer and the republicans decided not to fight. They decided to bury their heads and run on taxes and hope that the Health Care Issue went away. And give President Trump credit. He is saying were not going to do that this time. Were not going to follow mitch mcconnell. Were not going to follow the folks who say we want an issueless election. We want a plan and we have one, its called the Health Care Choices act. Weve been working on it for a year or so. Lindsey graham and bill cassidy and john barrasso, many others, Lamar Alexander have been working on this. There is a bill and its a good bill thats going to lower costs, its going to lower premiums, and its actually going to increase coverage among the poor. I do in the time we have left, i want to talk about lucy flores, who appeared earlier in the show. Shes a former nevada assemblywoman, and she talked about how Vice President biden at an event in november 2014 touched her and kissed her on the back of her head. She found it inappropriate, didnt know how to respond. Listen to how some of bidens president ial rivals on the campaign trail are responding. I read the op ed last night. I believe lucy flores. And joe biden needs to give an answer. I believe lucy flores. We need to live in a nation where people can hear her truth. Now, just to reiterate, Vice President biden, by the way, just minutes before lucy flores was supposed to appear on the show, or did appear on the show, issued a statement that said in my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, i have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection and support and comfort and never did i believe i acted inappropriately. If it was suggested i did so, i will listen respectfully. But it never was my intention. We have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences and men should Pay Attention and i will. Is that good enough . No. Because he doesnt acknowledge that it doesnt its not about what his intention was, but what she experienced. This is why its intimidating and hard for women to say hey, that was creepy or made me feel uncomfortable, and i think lucy explained that well in your interview with her. Hes got to acknowledge that regardless of intentions, this is how she felt and i have to do better, not just listen better. Doctor . We have got to believe women. This is just the fact. Weve watched as powerful men have leveraged their hierarchy to be able to take advantage of people in hard situations. Thats got to end. But you dont have to believe lucy flores. You have to have had a pair of eyes to observe Vice President joe biden in public life. There are slideshows of him inappropriately touching women in public. Is it a crime . No, but can you see these women wriggling and grimacing . Every woman knows what thats like, and go look at how he treated senator Heidi Heitkamp at her swearingin on cspan. He said, spread your legs, the next time youre going to be frisked, the day she was sworn in. Im afraid thats all the time we have. Fareed zakaria starts right now. This is gps the Global Public square. Welcome to those of you in the United States and around the world. Im fareed zakaria. Well begin todays show with venezuela. That troubled nation may now be the stage for a great power standoff. Two russian plans landed near caracas last weekend, leading donald trump to tell moscow to get out. Ill talk to trumps envoy for venezuela, elliot abrams. Also, attorney general barrs mb