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>> okay, well that's kind of a bold prediction in a state where recent polling shows him trailing governor mitt romney by a few points. governor romney may have found added momentum with his win, he captured 83% of the vote, all 20 delegates. rick santorum was not able to garner much support. his own camp admitted damage was done when he told a local newspaper speaking english should be a requirement for puerto row coto gain state hood. "rick santorum has a consistent show and when he went to puerto rico and took a locally unpopular --" it's hard to get through it. >> shocking. >> "mitt romney on the other hand switched another of his positions to gain favor in puerto rico saying puerto ricans shouldn't have to learn english if they want to become a state." romney has twice as many delegates as any other candidates. tally he stands at 518 for governor romney. senator santorum with 239, newt gingrich has 139 and ron paul has 69 delegates for that congressman. so we're going to get to alice stewart in a moment. first let's talk about what we have heard from rick santorum. he is promising as he goes into this that if he wins illinois he will take the nomination. >> everyone's calling this joe namath moment, he guaranteed victory of the super bowl, before i was born. it is like like the joe namath moment. rick santorum is a massive underdog, he'd have to win 70% of the delegates. why not make a hail mary prediction. it hurts nothing. >> super bowl isn't about delegate counts at the end of the day about math. >> he's behind on the scoreboard. why not say this if i win this, i win the gail. >> i think will is right. there's no downside for rick santorum to say this. he's not a pundit, not a political analyst. this is a way of rallying the troops and also of saying you know what? despite all of these guys on cnn who talk about delegate math and so on, i think i still have a chance and it's not going to be a wasted vote. >> let's bring in alice stewart, the national press secretary for the santorum campaign. nice to see you. thanks for being with us. let's talk about pure pure pue rico. what do you think went wrong that the senate lost? >> first, we're grateful for the opportunity to be on and glass to have the chance to go to puerto rico and came but what rick santorum did when he withent to puerto rico he was on e, told them where he stood on the english language and wasn't doing anything to take away their heritage but encouraged them to speak english in addition to spanish and held true to his conservative principles, as opposed to mitt romney, who sold out for 20 delegates. rick santorum is not going to do that. he's going to be honest with them. mitt romney went on radio and said you don't have to speak english. continue to speak spanish. he and the governor there sold out to the people of puerto rico and said speak spanish, i won't require to you speak english and that is simply something that shouldn't happen. you shouldn't go down off the mainland and pander to a territory such as puerto rico for simply 20 delegates and rick santorum wouldn't do that. >> i think what he said was -- >> and that was a factor in the outcome of election. >> he wouldn't require english as a condition for state hood. let's talk about what he said for illinois, if i can win illinois, i can win the nomination. explain to me how that math would work? >> the romney folks like to talk about math quite a bit. we're looking at the rick's message and the momentum we have and his message is resonating. we've had great events in illinois. he overperforms on election day, in many states, alabama and mississippi, while we are behind a little bit in the polls in illinois we overperform on the primary day and rick's message is working. people across this country are not satisfied with the direction of the country currently, and they're not satisfied with the message of mitt romney. here he has name i.d. he has tremendous money advantage and he has a lot of support infrastructure on the ground. he is not winning overwhelmingly in these states. goes to show he's not energizing the base. rick santorum is doing that. >> i'll do some of the delegate math. in order to win the nomination, to get to 1,144 you would have to start picking up 66% of the delegates from here on out, roughly at the half way part. so far, you've been getting roughly a quarter of the delegates so that would be a big, giant tremendous change in how you've done heretofore. how could that possibly happen? >> it's not about the math but the message as i said. >> but actually it's about the math. it's a point t does become about the math. >> certainly, but while we'd love to take first place in all these states, we're racking up delegates in state after state after state. it doesn't have to be first place but second a lot of these states are proportional and we're garnering delegates and also it's important to note, soledad, a lot of the delegates are still unbound and they will be decided at convention whether at the state level or in tampa, and typically, the history has proven that the unbound delegates will be decided by the more conservative voters, conservative members of the party and those people will vote and show their support for rick santorum and not a moderate like mitt romney. >> so is the opposite of what senator santorum says also true if mitt romney, if governor romney is able to win illinois, then he wins the nomination? >> absolutely not. this is certainly a big milestone for us to do well in illinois but we also have states that are favorable to rick coming up next in the primary calendar, pennsylvania his home state being one of them. we have louisiana coming up, and these are states that will show support for rick santorum, and as i said, keep an eye on the unbound delegates. those are going to go toward the conservative candidate and nod towards mitt romney. more people are seeing mitt romney, puerto rico is a case in point, he will say one thing and do something completely different. he is not true to the conservative principles of himself and of the party, and we're seeing that also with the individual mandate. he told people he never advocated for the individual mandate on the national level. he's been saying that time after time and now he's saying op. ed in which he did on the national level. >> you need 65% plus of the delegates. >> the magic number is 1,144 and if it's not achieved by the time we go to tampa and we expect to see success as we get there. as i said when it gets to the unbound delegates an we get to convention, those are the hard core party people and they're going to sway toward the conservative candidate. they are not going to go towards the moderate candidate because with mitt romney all the issues that are important to people are off the table when that comes to obama care, cap and trade, when it comes to wall street bailouts. these important issues that people care about are off the table, but rick santorum has the contrast with mitt romney and president obama, can he debate obama on those issues and that's why the conservatives are rallies behind rick santorum. >> alice stewart thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> miss stewart told the truth about mitt romney he ran in florida saying he wouldn't require english to be the official language, that's why we call them reversible mittens. seems to say state's rights would allow a state to determine what language they want to speak. i think he was pandering to get votes back here, pandering off the mainland, i think that shores it up. >> what do you make of the math? >> john is wrong about the tenth amendment thing. we've had this debate about the conditions congress can put on states when they enter the union. i give rick santorum credit. he wasn't pandering. mitt romney pandered to the people of puerto rico. here's what i want to ask alice stewart when we get a chance to talk to her, what is the floor? what is enough to stay in the race. if the 1,144 doesn't matter, can he go out throughout the rest of this time winning 10% of the delegates, 5%? what it will keep him from going to that floor? >> doesn't the person who comes to 1,144 become the nominee? >> what if no one does. it was the emphasis on going to tampa and the brokered convention. that is clearly what she's -- >> they don't have the math. is it enough? >> she's talking about the unbound delegates and about a brokered convention and she is not focusing now on rick santorum making the number. she's focusing on mitt romney not making the number. >> i got to get to the headlines. >> give santorum credit for making puerto ricans want to vote more mitt romney. yemen militants are claiming responsibility for killing an american teacher. a group linked to al qaeda claims the teacher was killed for christian prosthelytizing. joel shrumm was shot to death sunday by two gunmen dressed in uniforms. robert bales is being held at ft. leavenworth prison in kansas while prosecutors prepare charges again him. afghan officials want bales returned to stand trial on afghan soil. bales single-handedly claim lly. protesters gathered to mark six months of the occupy movement. witnesses claim police gave protesters a little warning before kicking them out of the park and several were beaten while being arrested. nasty weather making its way across the country, spawned tornados in oklahoma and in nebraska. check out this incredible video, storm chasers catching a twister as it touched down in willow, oklahoma. luckily there were no reports of damage. in nebraska several homes were damaged by tornadoes but also derailed more than a dozen train rail cars as well. the ncaa march madness sweet 16 is now set. the biggest surprise, north carolina state, an 11 seed, upsetting number three georgetown to advance in the midwest regional. the wolf pack will face second seeded kansas on friday. american product i have in the workplace down substantially the next how many weeks? >> many. i don't know. other people tell me how much it does. >> i work the same no matter what. >> thank you, thank you. the story of a man who caused literally an international uproar when he told the world about the atrocities in the factories in china where apple products are made. turns out many of the claims were out and out lies, npr is retracting the story which ran on january 6th. it was an episode of "this american life" after learning that mike daisey's report was filled with factual errors. a clip from daisey talks about workers he spoke to who he said had been exposed to a dangerous chemical used to clean the glass on ipads and iphones. listen. >> it's great, because it evaporates a little bit faster than alcohol does, which means you can run the production line even faster and try to keep up with the quotas. the problem is that nhexane is a potent neurotoxin and all of these people have been exposed their hands shake uncontrolbally. >> their hands don't shake uncontrollably. apparently they loved the stage play he had done around the issue, self-described as a geek, loves technology and then brought him on to sort of talk about that at which point he sort of shifted into an amateur reporter is what they called him, and that's when things got very, very messy. a lot of his reporting was not correct. >> i don't think he ever sold himself as a reporter. he's a dramatist and it's sad it takes an incident like this to the headlines. as a one man show off broadway you have to fictionalize. >> for the show. for the show. >> absolutely. >> not for the interview you're doing around your show. >> when you're taking on a target like this, it is incumbent to be as honest as possible, you don't tell ira glass you visited ten factories when you only went to three and the real hero is the marketplace reporter who tracked down his translator. that was the one reason the shanghai based reporter found out that michael had fictionalized a great part of the story. >> robert schmidts was talking about the falsehoods. >> you visit when you were there? >> i believe i went to five. >> now you told ira ten. >> i know. >> okay. >> bow nut now that i'm looking it, i believe it was five. >> no, actually three. it wasn't five and it wasn't ten. this idea because he frames it as well you know this is a line about theater, and this is, you know, i shouldn't have, my biggest mistake was in -- >> going on "this american life." >> yes, absolutely. >> a couple points on this, it affirms a narrative that many wanted to already believe, there's a big bad corporation doing horrible things to people to put products in your hand that everybody wants to have, so we're all culpable. you know what? some of that might be true, but this guy just ruined that entire narrative for anyone who wants to seek that truth. >> a lot of it is true. >> i don't think he totally ruined the narrative. it does make me graceful to two upstanding media players here. npr did a great job in their retraction. it was more than, you know, a one-minute, there were some errors in our previous show. they went back and re-reported it. >> an amazing hour of radio. >> it should get real credit for that. i'm grateful to the "new york times" for their fantastic apple series. that covered a lot of the same ground and very carefully reported, less dramatically powerful maybe. >> right. >> but it covers the facts there. one-man show should stick to one-man shows and not into the reporting part. ahead on "starting point," politicians playing the blame game as we've seen over gas prices. will the promises save us any money at all. plus mother monster lady gaga wants to be a real life mom, she wants a soccer team of kids. how many kids is that? 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>> no, it wouldn't. >> long-term, not short term, not at all? >> probably not at all. the reason oil prices are high and consequently gasoline prices are high is because we have limited spare global production capacity, and that's exacerbated by the tensions related to the nuclear issue in iran. if the nuclear issue gets solved, and some of that tension goes away but that's a very difficult problem to solve. >> those are the biggest ifs we have going on in the country, maybe the world. the white house administration says there are no quick fixes to these rising gas prices. everyone just has to sit around and suffer through it. is that true? >> yes, that is true. the price of gasoline is non-partisan. it's part of a global oil market, global gasoline market and there are many factors around the world that shape that price, demand in china, production in the middle east, so it's difficult for any one country to exert unilateral influence over the price of oil. >> to say nothing of the impact of the weather and the fact that vladimir putin made a lot of promises to get reelected that require him needing the price of oil to be as high as possible. >> the oil exporting countries, their budgets have gotten used to higher oil prices and if there were to be a fall in oil prices some time in the next year that would have an adverse impact on the budgets of those countries. >> when newt gingrich says we'll see gas down to $2.50 a gallon if he is elected, let me play a chunk of that and i want to you comment on the other side. >> the president's been going around for two weeks because he began to realize two weeks ago that my campaign for $2.50 a gallon gasoline was catching on. and so he's made a whole series of speeches now on energy, and he keeps attacking us. now, his first attack he said there is no silver bullet. which is baloney. there is a silver bullet. it's called drilling. >> i'm caall for the campaign f $2.50 a gallon gas. >> everybody is. >> where do we sign on? is that realistic at all? ? there's no doubt that high gasoline prices are a big burden for american motorists but there is no short term fix. there is no short term fix to the limited amount of spare and global oil production capacity, there is no quick resolution to the iranian nuclear issue. >> jim, would the keystone pipeline have an impact maybe not short term but medium term or is it all just about the global oil market, doesn't matter where the oil goes? >> canada is our largest source of foreign oil to the united states by far, and the impact of keystone is medium to long-term, and ultimately the decision is going to come down, do we want more canadian oil in this country or not so that's a medium to longer term issue. >> that wouldn't be a price issue. it would be more a strategic access issue? >> both. if we foster more supply coming down from canada, if canada produces more oil to satisfy the american market, you have more supply, and at a given level of demand, more supply would tend to lower prices, so it's about getting oil from a secure, friendly source like canada and also allowing more oil supply into the global market. >> so soledad and jim, let me clarify one thing at the table, everyone agrees short term gas prices and how they attach to presidents is pandering from politicians. you asked jim a question at the beginning and used a term long-term. now chrystia is asking this question. mitt romney and the trio of other guys talks about high gas prices, is it not true that presidents have control over long-term prices, the decisions being made today could impact the price of oil several years down the road? >> policies in the united states can have an impact longer term, both on the demand and supply side, both president bush and president obama have implemented higher fuel economy standards for cars. that will have an impact but it will take many years to field that. on the supply side over the last few years we've seen a great revival in the u.s. oil production and the u.s. has led among all the countries in the world the u.s. has recorded the biggest gain in oil production over the last three years. there are efforts on the demand and supply side that can have impact longer term. >> jim burkhard, thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. ahead on "starting point" a new book about tiger woods has been written by his old swing coach. he says tiger is cheap and rude and selfish and that's just kind of the start of it and it goes downhill from there. also our "get real" this morning. lady gaga says to oprah she wants to be a mom, she wants an entire soccer team of kids. much more "starting point," we'll talk about that coming up. 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this is big news. ♪ burn baby burn ♪ disco iner if snow ♪ burn baby burn, disco inferno ♪ jeff, who else plays "disco inferno" on a monday morning? first to the headlines, christine romans has more. >> developing this morning, three children and a teacher are dead after a shooting at a jewish school in france. one of those kids just 3 years old. officials say the gunman was riding a motorcycle and used two different weapons. this is the third shooting in southwest france by a man on a motorcycle. investigators claim the cases, they suspect the cases may be linked. while most states were getting a sneak peek at springtime weather with rare high temperatures the southwest was getting slammed with snowstorms. parts of arizona buried in up to 14 feet of snow, and lake tahoe was hit with three feet of snow in just 24 hours. that made for perfect ski conditions, allowing tahoe ski resorts to open up more slopes and get more business. i'll have to check that snow total in arizona. 14 feet sounds like a misprint. quick check of the weather, meteorologist reynolds wolf joins us. >> we've heard a bunch of numbers. i'll double check the 14 feet, seems too high. if it did happen a lot of people in ski country would be happy. unfortunately today is not about the snow but the heavy thunderstorms in part of the central and southern plains and with that a chance of a few isolated tornadoes. that threat doesn't exist just for monday across parts of the southern plains as we have the moisture from the gulf and the front from the west t will stick around from monday and tuesday but we're going to see the severe weather shift move into parts of arkansas, perhaps along the gulf coast, louisiana and maybe over in houston, texas, it's a two-day event we have to watch. things should cool as we make our way into wednesday. that's a quick snapshot of your forecast. back to you in new york. >> u.s. stock futures trading low ear head of the opening bell but apple shares are trading up about $600 a share as the level in premarket trading now. a company will hold a news conference with investors to talk about its huge cash stockpile, $98 billion and apple could pay a dividend to shareholders, this is what is expected, it could buy back its own stock, it could buy other companies or leave it in the bank and earn virtually nothing in interest. soledad the biggest business story in america today, what will apple do with all of its money? we'll find out. >> all good options at this point. every single one of them. >> good problem. >> great problem to have. >> pay down the deficit. >> could solve world hunger with that money. >> give everyone a lunch break in the factory. >> are you throwing stuff down? we'll get someone on that right away. let's talk about this debate that's happened in both houses of congress around of lower court rulings and then of course we're talking about the fate of the affordable care act, a signature piece of legislation of president obama's first term in office. it could come down to an opinion of a single person, the supreme court will start hearing arguments next week. liberals are outnumbered on the court by one seat and the administration is changing its tactic to secure that one conservative vote he would need to uphold the law. jeff toobin latest book called "the nine" which is all about the nine members of the supreme court and also has an article in today's "new yorker" about the health care fight. nice to have you. >> good morning. >> walk me through. the focus will be the commerce clause in the constitution. >> correct. >> explain that. >> the supreme court is not deciding whether health care is a good idea, whether this plan is the right plan or not. all they are deciding is did congress have the authority under the constitution to pass this plan, and the congress acted pursuant to the congress clause of article one which says the congress can pass laws regulating interstate commerce. it's the grant of authority for most of what congress does. medicare, medicaid, all have been done under the commerce clause. >> the bottom line, is making people buy health insurance a legitimate use of the power of congress? >> correct, and the challengers in these laws have said no. this is not something congress can do. what i wrote in the "new yorker" this week is basically that is a really weak argument, and that the united states congress has been regulating health care for years, has been involved in this market for years, and this is a perfectly ordinary use of congress's power. >> walk us through arguments for and arguments against. >> right. >> i think also will cain will help with you arguments against. >> he's taking deep breaths. >> arguments for? >> is that everyone in the united states, whether you want to be or not, is in the health care market, because if you don't buy insurance and you get hit by a car, you're going to be taken to the hospital. you are going to be -- your health care is going to be paid for by you and by me, the taxpayers are going to pay for your health care, so all of us are in the health care market. the argument against is that congress does not have the right to tell people to buy a product. you can't tell people to buy broccoli, can't tell people to do any, make any purchase in the private market. >> why do you think that's not a valid argument? >> because we tell people to do things all the tile. you can't buy a car without seat belts. you have to buy a car with seat belts. this is part of the market. you can, there's a famous supreme court case from the '40s which said you -- if you're a farmer, you can't grow wheat even if you're not even going to sell the wheat because it affects the national market. >> two points of emphasis. this is not about whether health policy and the government's involvement is a good or bad idea. z>> we agree on that. >> this is activity or knack activity. the government's argument by not buying health insurance you go to the hospital and your knack activity is activity. this law says for the first time just by existing in this country, just by living, you have broken the law if you have not bought health insurance. the difference between 1940, case called wickard v. philbin, this man must not buy, put a quota on how much wheat he could grow. the difference is this time they're saying what's something you must buy. they didn't say something he must buy. >> which -- we'll answer that but which justice are they focusing on? >> first of all the government tells you to do all sorts of things. it tells to you pay tax, tells you to pay your medicare taxes. that's another area -- >> a regulation issue. >> that's another justification for this law, under the taxing power. there seem to be four votes almost for certain to uphold the law, the former liberal members, ginsburg, breyer, sotomayor and kagn. anthony kennedy is usually the swing vote but here you have several justices that have actually upheld broader grants of power, of federal power, justice scalia sometimes, chief justice roberts has sometimes done it. the only sure vote that this is unconstitutional is clarence thomas, because he has said he doesn't believe in this theory of federal power. >> isn't that irony the fate of this legislation may depend upon a chief justice's vote who senator obama voted against confirming. >> and vice president, the first time in history both the president and the vice president voted against the chief justice who swore in the president of the united states. >> now it looks like they might need him. thank you, jeff toobin, appreciate it. still ahead on "early start," airing tiger woods' dirty laundry. his former swing star calling tiger cheap, rude and selfish. a st. patrick's day tradition in boston, a political breakfast where they roast the gop candidates. kind of funny. here's a clip. >> i see that both newt gingrich and rick santorum now have secret service with them on the campaign trail, and in santorum's case it's the first time he's actually ever used protection. yeah. 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i think that the oprah winfrey concept was she was bigger than the network, that she could break free of that and that in this internet age, when we're all jumping around and you can create new brands so easily that she was going to actually be able to break free and create her own platform, and glenn beck is trying to do the same thing. is it turning out not to be the case? >> a lot of people like to watch oprah, that's what we know. we don't know if everybody wants to watch shows that oprah puts together. >> do we not, dr. phil, dr. oz, rachel ray? >> she built those people on her own show and they had a platform. >> was ellen an oprah? >> she was not but you're right, those personalities were developed, when oprah tried "the big give" people weren't going for it. you start a network it's hard enough to start a show but look at other networks and see how many incarnations and own may be a great place someday but it's a revolving door about vps. >> can i talk about tiger woods? this book is so revealing. i think it's completely wrong to have your swing coach write a book about you. morally, ethically. >> i don't agree. i don't agree. first of all -- >> soledad or hank? >> soledad. >> how dare you. >> express an opinion? >> i haven't decided yet. it seems a little creepy to me. >> it is mostly about golf and how he helped his swing. >> i haven't read the book. >> just the excerpts leaked. >> all i'm doing is making judgment from the coverage i've seen. the book is mainly about golf and this coach allows himself to make some observations about tiger's personal life, and what happened to tiger in the wake of these huge sexual scandal. how can that person, who was so close into his life not be impacted by that by that and non observation about that. >> if you think it's fair game. >> i do. >> a book go golf would be incredible. he could have written a great book about -- >> you get people talking about it? >> expectation is the game. >> a couple of quick things he says about the book. he seemed to think it was funny to be cheap. he is talking about tiger woods. he said he would ignore little kid autograph seekers who were begging him to stop. >> are you feeling bad for tiger woods? i'm having a hard time with that. >> not that i'm feeling bad. there is something about somebody who is your coach and close to you that is now revealing all of these things, yeah. >> first of all, he knew the book was coming. i'm going to make a bet there is a whole lot more that that coach knows he did not put into print. >> fair enough. >> i do feel bad for tiger woods actually. all of these people, the en entourag. >> if a book comes out of the little relationship we have going on! sharon, we will support you. >> all of that information. >> nice to see you and thanks for being with us. still ahead this morning, a political right of passage in the state of massachusetts, a st. patrick's day break fast. republican senator scott brown took some of the shots and took the brunt of it. man, i'm glad aflac pays cash. aflac! ha! isn't major medical enough? huh! no! who's gonna help cover the holes in their plans? aflac! quack! like medical bills they don't pay for? aflac! or help pay the mortgage? 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"starting point" begins with a school shooting oversatisfies. mitt romney routing rick santorum in puerto rico. while tomorrow's could be the biggest. >> the worst i've ever seen. >> gas pump politics. dominating the conversation in the battle for the white house. what will any of the promises made be a payoff for us? it's monday, march 19th, 2012 and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ >> hey, if you're injure waking up to alicia keys, you're late! you're late! skip the shower, just run! here is our panel, john fugel joins us and chrystia freeland is the editor at thompsonroyals.com. alicia, just keep it playing. i love it. a lot to get to including breaking news. let's go right to christine romans who that that. >> french president nicolas sarkozy arriving at a jewish school where this morning a gunman killed a teacher and three children, including a 3-year-old child. authorities say the shooter was riding a motorcycle and used two different weapons. this is the third shooting by a man on a motorcycle in southwest france and officials suspect the cases may be linked. militants in yemen claiming responsibility for killing an american teacher. a group linked to al qaeda claims the teacher was killed for christian proselytizing. the man was shot to death sunday by two gunmen dressed in military uniforms. the army chief of staff accused of killing 16 afghan civilians will have his first face-to-face meeting today with his attorney. robert bales is held in solitary confinement at ft. leavenworth military prison in kansas. afghan officials are demanding bales be returned to stand trial in their country and the taliban rejects a claim by u.s. military officials that sergeant bales acted alone in those killings in the afghan villages. nasty weather making its way across the country. tornadoes reported in oklahoma and nebraska. look at this. incredible video. storm chasers caught a stwister as it -- twister as it touched down in willow, oklahoma. no reports of damage there. in nebraska, several homes were damaged by tornadoes. tornadoes that also derailed more than a dozen train rail cars. royal milestone for the duchess of cambridge. catherine delivering first public speech today to a children's hospice facility run by one of the charities which she is a patron of. the duchess will tour that facility and meet with children and families receiving care and support from the hospice. after her speech, she will plant a treat to commemorate the opening. >> remember, princess di solidified her connection to regular people by doing things like that and her regular speeches well. rick santorum place ago big bet on tuesday's gop primary in illino illinois. listen. >> if we're able to come out -- with a huge or surprise win, i guarantee you, i guarantee that we will win this nomination. >> it's pretty bold prediction in a state where recent polling has his trimming slightly mitt romney who may have found added momentum when he won puerto rico yesterday. he captured 83% of the vote. all 20 delegates at stake. thanking latino voters and emphasizing their importance in the general election. listen. >> the voters will public for the public as if we stand for something, conservative principles that bring growth and good jobs and rising home values. that's why we're going to win and get latino voters to help us out. >> governor romney racked up twice delegates than any other candidate. santorum is in second with 239 and gingrich has 139 and ron paul has 69. let's talk about the santorum strategy this morning. we had al lix stewart on this morning, a spokesperson for the campaign as sound as if she was saying the strategy is less than winning 1144 the magic number and keeping mitt romney from winning 1144. >> what are you running for? president or to spread a message? from a logical standpoint, san torpum needs some explanation. >> we tried. >> how it plays out from a showmanship and politician standpoint, why not? it's a hail mary pass and what is now a hail mary election. >> have you no business saying you're going to win the nomination although he is the eighth republican candidate to guarantee that. you can't win this presidency without 40% of the latino vote and going to puerto rico saying i believe in liberty, freedom and doesn't -- >> let's bring in republican strategist phil muster, the president of new frontier strategy. he served at a senior adviser to the 2008 romney presidential campaign. nice to see you. we are talking about puerto rico. what do you think romney's victory shows there? >> i think it's a huge win for mitt. 83%. put that in context. the highest percentage romney has won to date was 72% in massachusetts and 83% victory in puerto rico is resounding victory. >> is it more about santorum's misstatements or fumbles? i don't think they call them misstatements but -- >> look. i think it's three things. first of all, romney went down there and really emphasized a message that was a jobs focused economy driven message that connects and resonates in a state where the governor there has been making really tough growth reduction measures. he has a pro growth tax code and he is up on the ballot. he is connected on that. then he was tone appropriate on the issue of statehood, whereas, santorum, really fumbled this issue in quite fundamental way in respect so english and not focusing on the vote on the ballot this fall. fotuno is a lever known republican governor but a rising star in the republican skel s l constellation. they gave romney biggest win to date capturing all 20 delegates available. i think three reasons the people should take away from the puerto rico result. >> what we are really hearing from the santorum campaign is a real push towards a brokered or negotiated convention. we had a lot of talk about the unbound delegates and which direction they are going to go. how likely do you think that is and how would mitt romney fare in that kind of environment if it comes down to that? >> it's a great question. i think it's unlikely. i don't think it's completely out of the question but i think it's unlikely. if you look at the road ahead, romney continues to do well with the delegate accumulation. he won 20 last night. he is going to win delegates in illinois. remember, in illinois, senator santorum isn't on the ballot in a couple of key congressional districts. then if you look where this race goes, it's allocation of a quarter of the delegates and the race heads to d.c. and santorum not on the ballot. maryland, wisconsin, connecticut. places where romney is favored to do well. if you have an open convention, you know, all of a sudden, chaos is going to break loose and mitt wouldn't be able to make a play at the convention. the truth is all of these people who signed up to be delegate for them, they have worked for him and going there to vote for mitt romney. i think it's unlikely and i think romney would be favored in a contested convention scenario. >> is there a new attack ad and no surprise it's mitt romney attacking rick santorum as a guy who has never run anything. i'll play a chunk of that for you. >> who can turn around the economy and defeat barack obama? not rick santorum. he has never run a business or a state. >> do you think that is going to stick potentially? >> well, i think if you look at -- let's go to illinois, right? one of the things on voters' minds in illinois look at the last three governors of illinois republican george ryan in jail. a democrat rod blagojevich in jail and pat quinn overseeing a bond rating that is almost junk status and a state with a busted budget and a economy stuck in a quagmire. i think part of the message of the romney is hire a fiscal conservative businessman who knows how to fix things with a conservative set of principles and the contrast they are trying to set up with santorum. >> santorum's response, basically, his criticism has been, listen, when you have resources and you have an advantage and you still cannot win big, maybe puerto rico is a big exception to that, that is ind indicative of a weakness. >> if governor romney thinks he is the ceo of america and can run and manage the economy, he doesn't understand what conservatives believe in. >> let's play the next chunk of santorum talking about mr. romney's resources, please. >> when you have this amount of resources, this amount of advantage and you can't manage and deliver the mail and win this nomination, that shows a real weakness in his ability to be able to governor. >> does he not have a point there? we apologize for that five seconds of nothing happening on that tape. >> no problem. >> does he not have a point? listen, at the end of the day you're talking about someone with massive resources and massive organizational ability and he really is still having a hard time getting the campaign to gel. it sounds like a fair criticism. >> there are a couple of things going on. there's a lot of frothy energy in the republican party across the spectrum. the second thing is we changed the rules on how we do this. the tsunami tidal wave is a thing of the past. the reality it's meant to drag on for a while. the rnc rules officials who rewrote the process wrote it so essentially the opportunity of equivalency of a santorum candidacy. a second-look candidacy. with santorum whining about the money that's a weak argument with all due respect. you set up a campaign, you build an organization if you raise money. if you raise money, you have money to spend. santorum plays by the same rules that romney does and i think whining about resources is a message that is off pitch and what is likely been the cause of trouble for him have been his inability to stay on message with respect to contraception and women and puerto rico. >> he's not really whining about resources. what he is saying he has so much money and he has a well-organized campaign and he still is struggling to really get his message to resonate. i mean, he is not necessarily complaining about his own money. he is saying why is the method not better if he has the advantages in the world, right? >> first of all, you got four people in the race for president. so the concept of a coordination in the republican party is a thing of the past. that is a good thing. these primaries are healthy for our party and our nominee. if you look at golf romney i think his message on economy and jobs is getting crisper and clearer and more focused. i think as we go forward we are -- this process is making romney stronger and because he hasn't sewn it up mathematically is not an indictment that his campaign hasn't connected. we will have to see what happens in illinois. i think it's going to be a close election. by the flip side if romney wins illinois, where does that leave santorum? >> a good question and we will be talking about it tomorrow, for sure. phil musser, thanks for being on. >> thank you. >> 16 years after jonbenet's murder, her father, john ramsey, has written a book. he says he is not bitter about what happened at all. tired of flight attendants forcing you to turn off your phone and ipod before the plane takes off? 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"the new york times" says faa will explore testing ereaders and other gadgets on plane but not testing smart phones. the initiative still in the early stages and any conclusions could be a long time coming. >> wouldn't that be a great day, though? no one will listen to the instructions at all ever again because they will be reading their ereader. let's talk about apple. that stock, wow. >> i know. 600 a hit last week and up again this morning. we will get big news in about 30 minutes. the company is expected to say what it's going to do with the 98 billion dollars in cash. here is what it could do with it. give it to shareholders that most people are expecting it to do and dividend. buy back its own stock or it could buy companies or leave it in the bank and get virtually nothing on it. look at this chart. a lot of people asking me is apple stock worth it? it's been up $486% over the past five years. 585 dollars a share. here is why. it sold 16,000 i phones every hour last quarter. it sold almost 7,000 ipads every hour. look at this. unbelievable. 40% to 50% revenue growth every single year. the question is is it overvalued? and when you look at what is called the price to earnings ratio, it's only 16.8 and 16.9 and exactly what the s&p 500 is. some saying it's not overvalued stock at $6 hundred if, if, it can continue to change the world. we will see. >> is the stock worth it? it's gone up 486%! >> it's worth it if you bought it five years ago. >> yes, it is. >> it was definitely worth it. >> surely is. christine, thank you. big development on a story we have been following out of florida. a 17-year-old family who has killed by a neighborhood watch captain and asking the justice department to step in. that as the full 911 tapes have been released. travon martin was shot last month by a 28-year-old george zimmerman. the family are pressing police to record all of the recordings. seven calls were made by neighbors. the first one by zimmerman himself who claimed that he shot the teen in self-defense. here's the call. >> something is wrong with him. yep. he's coming to check me out. he's got something in his hands. i don't know what his deal is. he's [ bleep ] always get away. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> so that is just one of the numerous 911 tapes that have been released. jeffrey toobin, cnn's senior analyst, is back with us this morning. are you following him is the question asked and he says, yes. he says we don't need you to do. not only does he ignore what the dispatcher is telling him he clearly says he is now in pursuit of the teenager. how does this legally contradict any claims of self-defense? >> well, it suggests that it was not self-defense. it suggests that zimmerman was somehow the aggressor here. now, there are a lot of other pieces of evidence in the case and it makes sense for the police to evaluate all of them, but certainly this tape alone is very damaging for zimmerman because it suggests that he was the one pursuing travon martin, not that martin was somehow the aggressor in the confrontation. >> listen to the 911 call from one of the many neighbors who called in. here it is. >> so you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> what is your -- >> there's gunshots. >> you just heard gunshots? >> yes. >> how many? >> just one. >> my gosh. so shocking what you hear the gunshot over the call. many disputes or questions about who was the one who was screaming although as people pointed out the minute a shot is fired, the screaming ceases. >> right. which would suggest it was travon martin screaming and not zimmerman. florida has a peculiar law we have discussed before. the so-called stand your ground law and gives suspended self-defense rights to people which may be one reason george zimmerman hasn't been charged yet. it sort of allows someone who is attacked to escalate a confrontation. if you're hit with a fist, you can reply with a gun. that's what is the law says. you know, it hasn't been tested very observe. you don't know how a jury would react to that, but, i mean, this makes a case potentially somewhat harder. >> a neighborhood watch have any special rights, to have any special authority? >> they are not. they are citizens. they are not police. it's very different. certainly this guy's record, he has been arrested once. he is told to stand down here. that is, obviously, not in his favor. >> florida self-defense law benefit travon martin? it seems he was stalked by someone else and he would justify self-defense under that law. >> theoretical. the only person charged is zimmerman and he may use the law. again, a lot of facts here we don't know. we haven't heard eyewitness testimony. we haven't heard zimmerman's full account of what is going to go on -- >> the police have never given him -- it appears there is evidence they have not given him a drug test on the scene. they didn't test to see if he had been drinking on the scene. anybody involved in a homicide at all, even if you claim self-defense and maybe if it looks at the beginning like it's a clear case of self-defense seems strange to me they wouldn't do that, right? >> well, that train has left the station. they can't give him a drug test now and can't give him an alcohol test now, too much time has passed and one of the real criticisms of the police not having done that right away. we will never know if he was under the influence. >> they want to bring in the justice department. >> in racially charged cases like this is, this is for the justice department to get involved. the local police have had some issues over race. seems like a very appropriate case to have the fbi investigate, u.s. attorney get involved. >> i think we are going to be hearing from them. in fact, they will. jeff toobin, thank you. this is a sad story and we will update it and let everybody knows what we know about this case as it proceeds along. still ahead, many high school students drop out of high school each year. some good news, though, to talk about our schools this morning. and senator john mccain sounding fed up really with the gop race. we will tell you why he is calling it the nastiest campaign ever. you're watching "starting point." we will take a break and be back in a moment. ♪ ( whirring and crackling sounds ) man: assembly lines that fix themselves. the most innovative companies are doing things they never could before, by building on the cisco intelligent network. good morning, everybody. more than a million high school students will drop out of high school this year. that's 1 in 4. the rate is much higher among african-american students and hispanic students but good news. that is there are fewer so-called dropout factories aat schools where 60% or fewer kids will make it from their freshman year to their senior year. new reports show in 2010350 schools like that dropout factory type schools. number is down 23% since 2008. so over eight years they have actually been able to drop that number to 23%. the programs are trying to keep the trend going and later today, the building of grad nation summit in washington, d.c. is going to be held. at&t is going to announce a massive 250 million dollar investment in preventing dropout programs. joining us this morning to talk about that is charlene lake, at&t's chief sustainability officer and tyra leakton participated in one of the programs supported by at&t and cnn's education contributor steve perry joins us. steve, i begin with you, if i can. the study has pretty good news about the national graduation rate which is inching up. it was 72% and now up to 75.5%. a long way from where the president and the administration says they would like to be. still very, you know, lower. 65.9% hispanic students and 63.5% graduation rate for black students. what is the cause for people to drop out still today? >> there are lots of reasons why kids drop out. one of the main reasons is they just don't fit in the school that they are in. meaning that they may not feel academically compelled to participate. likewise, they may not feel they see an end in sight maintaining they are going to get the education they want and go on to college and see it used for education. so a lot of times it's the fit that the kid has with the school. some people talk about other factors like having to quit the school and work. that's a very small group of children who do that. in many cases they just academically in many cases do not connect to the experience of their school. >> the announcement is massive. $250 million. it's funneling the bulk of the money or a lot of the money that at&t gives anyway over the next five years to focus on dropouts. where specifically is it going and why are you focusing on dropouts? >> thank you for having me here today. it's specifically going on -- going to programs to support high school success and work force readiness. at&t provides about 225,000 jobs in this country. what that means even in the worst of economic times, we are hiring thousands and thousands of employees. so in a talent pipeline, shows signs maybe it's not able to deliver what our future needs to be, then business needs to step up and step up its commitment and what we are doing today with our announcement. >> tyra, how did the program in washington help you? were you on the verge of dropping out? >> when i first started at my high school, i was shaky, because of the history of my school, but it was -- i was tempted, but then i got in jag and that was an amazing program and it helped me see things that i thought i would never see. i've been on amazing college tours with this school. and i appreciate jag so much for letting me see that and i'm a sophomore in college and i'm glad i'm alumni of jag and i'm so excited! >> congratulations to you for making it so your sophomore year. obviously, with this sort of commitment of 250 million dollars, did you look around and see other students like yourself who were not in the jag program or other programs that were trying to keep they engaged in school and think if the program was bigger maybe we could take more people? did you see it like that? >> yes. i mean, i had fellow classmates that wasn't in the class with me, but i drug them with me to class even though my teacher is like, where are thee students coming from? no, they need to be in here and see what i see and get the opportunity i have to see what they are not seeing because other programs that the school didn't have, either the money to fund students to go to like college tours and see other universities around d.c. and around the east coast. yes, i wish jag was a bigger class and that people can see -- even though i didn't have but only a semester. now you're in there for a year now, compared to when i went to balou. i'm kind of mad it wasn't a year. >> you wouldn't want to go back to high school! it's fun, but move on. move on. i like the way you're expanding the program single-handedly. let's bring it back to steve perry. you got to love a girl, i'm going to expand this program. the goal is to increase the national graduation rate to 90% by 2020. an important goal but maybe a massive goal. maybe too big. how likely do you think that could be? >> well, you know, i'm hopeful that it will -- it will get there because it's not just the quantity of kids that graduate. it's the quality of their academic experience that also needs to be considered because we have kids who are graduating who simply can't do high school level work. so it's ambitious. let's say that. i don't want to discourage the folks from putting their money and their efforts in the same place. >> but it's going to be a bit after hill to climb. charlene, i give you the last word. you have said this is not traditional philanthropy. what do you mean by that? >> i mean this is a business issue and it is a massive problem. it's a tragedy we have losing a million kids from our system every year but as a nation, we have a choice. we can choose to be discouraged by that and choose to be overwhelmed by the tragedies of a million students dropping out from our system, or we can choose to be inspired by the evidence of success. evidence in the numbers that are being released today that shows there is progress. evidence by people like tyra who are in programs like jag that are really making a difference and for us as a company, it's a pretty easy choice. we are investing $20 billion in our telecommunications network this year and have to invest in the people running that in the future and exactly what we are doing. >> charlene, great work. tyra, thank you for talking with us and steve perry, thank you for being with us. appreciate all of you. thank you. senator john mccain calls the gop campaign the nastiest ever. we will tell you why he says the blame falls on super pacs. you're watching "starting point." we are back after a short break. 14 clubs. that's what they tell us a legal golf bag can hold. and while that leaves a little room for balls and tees, it doesn't leave room for much else. there's no room left for deadlines or conference calls. not a single pocket to hold the stress of the day, or the to-do list of tomorrow. only 14 clubs pick up the right one and drive it right down the middle of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side. ♪ >> hanging out in the bars! it's a drunk situation. >> that is greatness. >> i agree. a little slow, though. >> half i my stuff is, you say. >> i always tell you yet. still, you keep coming back with it! jamey johnson between jennings and jones. as we have seen the gop campaign, i think fair to describe it as a slug fest and only march. arizona senator john mccain says this campaign season is the worst that he has ever seen. here is what he said. >> this is the nastiest i have ever seen. again, when have you las vegas casino mogul, by the way, who gets part of his money from a cow, pouring $20 million into one campaign and most of those are negative ads, obviously, that drives up people's unfavorable. >> he would know because, of course, got pretty ugly when i was campaigning and do you think that is true that people unfavorable is driven up and long-term implication? >> i don't think it doesn't matter. i think he pointed out he went to a very nasty campaign back in 2000 who he was accused of having an illegitimate child. >> but they are two separate things. >> here is my legitimate question for everyone. do you think we are hearing -- this is the no negative and nastiest campaign we have ever seen. it's not about favor ability. if it's truth, it's worthwhile. >> is it about the super pacs or something else? i think it's about something else. your point about truth gets to that will. i think the republican party is having an exoessential crisis. it is mitt romney and between the very hard-core social conservative wing which basically, wants a replay of the 1960s and that is a very profound tension and i think that's why the fighting, it's such a hard knuckle bust up. it's different from hillary and barack obama when they essentially shared a world view and it was who is the best candidate. this is about what is republicans -- >> the bigger question, is that tension driving people away or could it potentially energize a base come november? >> a lot of liberals are praying there will be some sort of brokered convention. if all of these candidates are cast aside for a fresh new popular face. hearing john mccain call this the most ugly campaign ever is like hearing tina turner saying you got a bad relationship. it does speak to the fact that campaign finance is more important now than ever. the irony may be that newt gingrich possibly being a spoiler in this campaign will get conservatives on the side of campaign finance reform more than occupy wall street could in their dreams. >> "end point" is up next with our panel. back nochlt is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota, that's why there's guys like me. 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