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inside the cnn grill at south by southwest. the grill opens officially today this morning. one thing i noticed on the menu which includes all kinds of things, there are no prices. that's because we got -- usually that means i cannot afford to eat here. but that is what's happened here is we have taken over a restaurantnd put the cnn grill and invited people here as we celebrate south by southwest which is a big music and film festival. douglas brinkley, we've known each other now through a lot of presidential races. >> a long time. >> no, i don't tell anybody how long we've known each other. also, got alex axis, he's a co. founder of read it. joining us. we had him on a couple of weeks ago when we launched this show. ali velshi of course is our chief business correspondent. and we've got some of the dishes this morning. i'm going to go with the mac and cheese. gain five pounds when you watch this show. >> parse that one out. >> yeah. i can't keep working on that. let's get right to what our "starting point" is, which here at south by southwest is all about some of the stories coming off the festival here. but first i want to show you what it was like in a time-lapse of crews setting up right here in our makeshift studio. take a look. ♪ that looks like a lot of work. i'm glade i got to just traipse in this morning, hey, is there coffee here? this morning we're going to talk to a man who is launching his company, star of the documentary "black in america," we're going to talk to him about why he's launching his company here. it's done a lot before. certainly twitter launched here at south by southwest. one of the co-founders. we'll talk to us about what went behind the launching this festival. father and son team of deepak and gotham chopra is joining us. gotham is doing a documentary about his dad. i don't know if that would be easier or hard to do a documentary about your dad. and if there's something he doesn't like, we'll ask him about that. first, though, what's happening with the jobs numbers. let's get right to christine with the latest on that. good morning. >> good morning. i want to show you on the magic wall what we're expecting today. 210,000 jobs. 8.3% unemployment rate in is what jobs creation has looked like for the year. you can see it got a little weak in the summer but this is the year and this is the february estimate here. not as good as last month but still a solid 200,000. i want to show you the political part of this story. let's go back here to -- this is the end of the bush administration. we started that huge falling off the cliff of jobs. very big hole here. it's taken a very long time to get things back on track. have three good months here. tough go of it, negative job creation and this, this is the part where people are saying is the trend that shows jobs are slowly, slowly, slowly starting to come back. but not nearly as much as you would like. 210,000 jobs is the expectation for today. we'll know for sure what happens at 8:30. soledad? >> thank you very much. so as she's talking about the predictions we're going to bring in the panel to discuss it and simon constable with the "wall street journal" as well. i want to talk because we're talking -- sorry. mike problems. look, a mike has appeared and it seems to work. >> we all need to share this? >> someoning is going to tell me if this is the talking stick. implications, we're going to wait to see what those numbers are at 8:30 eastern time. implications for the presidency and for people who would like to be president are huge. >> it's gigantic. everything is jobs, jobs shs jobs in 2012. as your graph showed, president obama has been bringing the economy back. a lot of people are frustrated it's not fast enough. as long as the president can create a trend for himself, this one is a little unusual. you just -- it's a little bit of of dip from the last but you want to keep see that graph goes upwards. really though for the election it's all going to matter what that graph says in, say, september and october. we live in such a fast parsley due to south by southest west and twitter and, in fact, information overload all the time, people are going to be really making a decision come the early fall. so right now obama just can't have that number go too low. >> it doesn't have to go too low though. we could be in for our third month in a row where 200,000 jobs have been created. as of last month all that had to happen is there needed to be 130,000 jobs per month between now and tend of the year for president obama to push back on his critics who say jobs were lost in his tenure because if we get 130,000 jobs created a month from here on in, all the jobs lost since president obama took office will have been regained. >> that would be a very big -- i want to bring in simon constable from the "wall street journal" joining us and joining the panel. the estimations that we just heard were somewhere around 200,000. >> yeah. >> and but others have said, listen, the threshold though is really 3 to 400,000, right? 200,000 in the way is a false number. explain that. >> well, the threshold you need is to keep pace with population growth and, on top of that you need to dip into what was lost and then gain all that back because we didn't keep up with population growth throughout the great recession. we lost a ton of jobs. yes, it's great to get back those jobs. a little said, yes, one130,000 month and then you have to get back the population growth as well. that's how you get near that 300,000 number. any of that, these are good numbers and they're going to be good numbers for president obama. i saw him do his very long press conference on super tuesday and he wasn't focused on the economy. he knows the economy is getting better. he is sitting pretty at the moment unless things go terri y terribly, terribly wrong. i think we're going to get at 200,000 number. i think that will be great for him. i think he will coming out with a press conference later to crow about it. i'm sure he will feel great about it. >> unless good charts -- forgive me for interrupting there -- is the gas prices number, though, right? completely inverse. >> i'm sure he won't be raising that. but it's funny. someone asked me yesterday you know, do the republican goes out and say, look, gas prices are high, do they remind people gas prices are high? they don't need reminding every time they go to the gas pump and have to give the gas attendant a fist full of 50s to fill a tank. they're reminded. so the republicans don't really have to do anything here. the gas price thing is a problem and it's a tax, like money being sucked out of your wallet. it's really not good. if that continues, that will be bad for the economy and then that will be bad for jobs and bad for the president. we're not there yet. >> simon constable from the "wall street journal." thank you, we appreciate it. let's get to the other stories. carlos difficult az is joining atlanta. >> police are investigating a deadly shooting at the university of pittsburgh. psychiatric clinic. they say a gunman walked in the front doors and opened fire with two semi automatic weapons. one person was killed and seven were wounded. the gunman was eventually shot dead by police. motive is still not known. the pardons of four convicted killers by former mississippi governor haley barbour will stand. the ruling by state supreme court upheld the pardons of more than 200 convicts in all. the court rejected a challenge by mississippi's attorney general randy walker who survived the shooting by one of the pardoned felons. of course, he will be a guest with soledad at 8:00 right here on "starting point.." israel is setting a time frame for an attack on iran as the country's supreme leader is now praising the u.s. prime minister benjamin netanyahu hopes there won't be a war and diplomatic pressure on iran works. when it comes to tehran's nuclear threat, he said time is running out. >> translator: i am not standing with the stopwatch in hand. it is not a matter of days of weeks, but also not a matter of years. everybody understands this. >> meantime, iran's supreme leader ayatollah ali khomeni calling his words and actions wise. the advertising boycott of conservative radio show host rush limbaugh has taken its toll. yesterday there was more than five minutes of dead air during commercial breaks on the new york version of the show. dodds sevens of companies have pulled ads after the conservative talk show host called georgetown law student sandra fluke a slut for saying health care plans should cover her contraception. and this story is amazing. florida lawmakers battling in the state house over jay-z's lyrics. two state representatives invoking his hit song "99 problems" in a debate over a proposal to amend florida's evidence code. take a listen. >> i think jay-z said it best. and i'm going to quote it for you. i know my rights so you're going to need a warrant for that. even went further to say, aren't you sharp as a tack, you a lawyer or something? >> i disrespect simply disagree with the correction, williams, in the song it was the officer saying "aren't you sharp as a tack or something in you should try for lawyer or something. >> how about them apples? both half right. the actual lib r lyrics are cor but it's the cop who asks about searching the car. yes, soledad, we're breaking down jay-z's lyrics for "99 problems" and we're doing it in the government. back to you. >> i know. i know. there's something that's so very, very wrong about that. wow. on so many levels, carlos. all right. still ahead this morning on "starting point," some surviving details revealed in the tyler clemente case involving webcam spying. we'll update you in that case. i'm eating, so -- sorry. i'm having a hard time getting through our tease. here at southwest by southwest, not only a film festival, it's not only a musical festival, it's also about technology and one of the entrepreneurs hajj is going to join us. part of his goal is to bring more minorities into tech. we'll tell you about his idea. and, boy, it was a bad week for peyton manning. on wednesday, fired from the colts and now a good deed that he has done gets somebody else fired. we'll tell you what happened. we're going to go right play list, jay-z. but can you quote him accurately? 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[whispering] big dreams. ♪ this is off hajj's play list, lincoln brewster "the power of your name." you can see our play list on the web. many reasons to come to south by southwest, a music and film pest festival. this is where technology is launched. it started back in 1994, i believe, if i'm not mistaken. that's when they started to highlight it. aim right act that, lewis? >> it started in '94. >> see, when you have the guy who founded it right there, it's like, excellent research. so today hajj is going to be launching go kit, which is his deal. we profiled hajj in "black in america" and it was all about the challenges that african-americans face in getting into technology, breaking into technology as entrepreneurs. here's a little clip. >> you would think in silicon valley where you're supposedly judged based on talent alone and great ideas that you would be treated the same way, whether you're walking down the street or pitching an idea. it just truly re-enforces that that's not the reality that we as african-americans live in. >> hajj fleming joins us now because he is launching go kit. i heard this elevator pitch so go ahead. tell us about gokit. >> gokit is a visual address book. what we allow people to do is to be able to collect people and to be able to visually organize relationships. say, for instance, you come to south by southwest you have a big stack of business cards. >> yes. 12k3w4r and you leave with all of this information but how do you effectively visually organize the information. that's what we allow people to go with gokit. >> how did you come up with this idea? last year at south by southwest is when the idea came to you and a year later you're launching it. >> me and my cofounder andre bir rons came up with it last year. we thought it would be a great story to bring everything full circle. when you think about south by southwe southwest, it's truly a place of innovation. you will see companies like forest gray come and launch products, launch ideas here. so this becomes the perfect ground to be able to do that. >> why is that so powerful here to do that here? >> this is the geek spring break. i don't know if this was planned but very well done because every year you have geeks from all over the country and detroit. >> yes. >> coming down here to con grae gre gate, have a good time. when you've got such a high density of early adapter, it's a great way to launch new softw e software. >> the other side of gokit, because when we talked in the documentary your agenda was bringing more african-american, to study tech and be entrepreneurs like yourself. >> it's very important that we start to have more role models. we need to see people that are not just athletes, not just entertainers, and so this really became truly a platform to be able to make a more mainstream conversation because there was already people out there doing cool things and really to bring the conversation mainstream. >> if you're a millionaire or billionaire because of gokit, it help other people. >> absolutely. absolutely. it's not about me anymore. >> i'm being serious. you're from detroit. it's been a big push for you in detroit to get black kids in detroit to study tech and come into the industry. >> yes. and one of the cool things we do, we had one of the largest pre-screenings of high school students in the country. 200 students. mostly african-american in the city of detroit. >> it would be nice to change some of those numbers. i know alexis has something you're doing with i guess for your panel you're going to be doing a panel today and talk about the power of the internet. i think a lot of times people focus on the bad things, porn, et cetera, et cetera. >> yes. >> which really get my lighted a lot. but you're talking about the good job. >> i wanted to talk about the benevolent web. >> for teachers? >> wey. it basically let's public schoolteachers in underfunded communities over the country go online and say i need $100 for basic school supplies. you as a donor can give specifically to that classroom project. see the teacher, hear their sto story, sometimes get their handwritten thank you notes. it's doing such a great job that fund-raising about a million dollars for them to get at the tension of stephen colbert who is on the board of donors choose. and as someone who was just proudly named to the advisory counsel, i thought, what better way to celebrate than to come on cnn and offer an opportunity for people to use some of mine. i know warren buffett but wif got 10,000 dollars that i've earmarked for anyone using the matching code breadpig, i don't ask. it's a company i started. using that matching code i'll matchup to ten grand, any donation up to any donors. >> i gave $1,000 today you would watch the $1,000. >> they're capping it so it will be more than ten donors, but, any one of you who makes a donation, because, and what gets me so fired up is that i come to these conferences and, yes, postst most open people who are there are like me. i've been using life on cheap codes as a white male. so much opportunity. one where we have so much need for programming talent that i need as many kids who would otherwise to get turned on to math, science, technology. >> hajj, good luck with your launch today. we have to go to commercial break and continue our conversation through the commercials because we put all of our commercial break conversations online at cnn.com/startingpoint. rick santorum's southern strategy. is it possible to go after the guy behind him in the polls? and when you thought starbucks wouldn't come up with a good idea they've got a big one that home coffee makers might love. and peyton manning shows a softer side with a few tears on the announcement and a generous side with a big tip. but the waiter, what he does next gets him fired. we're going leave you with douglas brinkley's play list "mr. bojangles." ah, welcome to hotels.com. i get it...guys weekend. yeah! if you're looking for a place to get together, you came to the right place. because here at hotels.com, we're only about hotels. yeah! yeah! noooo. yeah! finding you the perfect place is all we do. welcome to hotels.com welcome back. that's the shot inside the cnn grill. this is a cnn grill play list. it has to be a person, who is the person who picked it? anyway, go back down a little bit. who is this? can you scroll the prompter down. a little more. a little more. a little more. i need to see the name of who is performing. there you go. wildlife control. "logger digital." our "get real" this morning. a rough week for may on the manning. first, fired by the indianapolis colts. $28 million payday, which really has got to hurt. and then this, a waiter at the angus barn, which is in raleigh, north carolina, posted the bill from when he went to eat at that restaurant. he racked up a $625 bill, adding an extremely generous tip because the restaurant already tacks on the 18%. so manning then went and tipped him another $200 on top of that 18% tip which he paid. so it's unclear if manning was being super, super generous or if he saw it and was generous, whatever. in any case, it's the last tip that waitress is going to get because he's been fired after that photograph was posted. the person who owns the restaurant said it's horrible that in a way that was tipped off to and revealed about someone's perm tip which i have to say, i agree with. you know, if you want people to come back to your restaurant you probably don't want to give inside scoop, even for a good thing or bad thing, i would guess. >> i feel sort of responsible to this because i remember reading it and said, that's awesome of peyton, what a great guy. i'm also a skins fan. i'm quietly grateful it sounds like we passed at him and looking at rg3. >> so you're guilty? >> i am. >> peyton manning being fired from the colts. in the history they will be together, so many great years there. it happens in sports. the party has to end at some point. somebody to spend their whole career on one team. i remember being such a hank aaron fan, broke the record with the atlanta braves and suddenly last year, milwaukee brewer. >> the question is whether that should continue to happen if difficulty when you're so young, decision about retirement comes along should you just make the decision about retirement and go out big, or as big as you can. >> or draw it out like brett favre. >> that's the other options. >> also painful. democrats are sending president obama a message on the keystone pipeline vote in the senate. we'll tell you what happened there. and new calls for newt gingrich to drop out. we're talking about to one of the folks who is behind his super pac. about king makers and spoilers this morning. and r loyal cola drinkers, your soda is changing. longest-lasting full-size pickups on the road. yeah, sure, what you said, tim. man: [ thinking ] just look at the chrome on that custom sport. makes you feel all good inside, doesn't it? mm. 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[ laughter ] [ shapiro ] we created legalzoom to help you take care of the ones you love. go to legalzoom.com today and complete your will in minutes. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side. that's from carlos diaz' play list, "good feeling," flo rr rida. welcome back, everybody. we're at the cnn grill. we are at south by southwest this morning. in a few minutes we're going to get to lewis back, cofound of this festival which is now massive and wildly popular. first, though, breaking news out of afghanistan. agram prison is going to be transferred from u.s. control to of fan control. >> we do have breaking news to report this morning. the united states today signed a deal transferring control of bagram prison to afghanistan. it will happen over six months. more details as we get those details. the prosecution has rested in the rutgers webcam spying trial. former student dharun ravi on trial on the most serious charge, bias intimidation. accused of using a webcam to spy on his roommate. the jury viewed ravi's nearly hour long interrogation this week. detective reading from a twitter message sent by ravi. >> anyone with ichat, i dare you, not please don't, no not i'm warning you, i dare you to video chat me between the hours of 9:30 and 12:00. yes, it's happening again. >> but obviously i said that in a sarcastic way first of all, and second of all, i turned off my computer so they wouldn't be able to -- or i put it to sleep so i thaunt be able to do anything. >> clemente committed suicide several days after learning of the alleged spying. the defense is expected to start its case today. new york city will fight a judge's ruling forcing it to pay $128 million for discriminating against minority fire department candidates. the federal government and a black firefighters group argued that the ndny entrance exam was biased in favor of white candidates. they ordered the city to double the amount of black and latino firefighters working for the department. the senate is shutting down a plan to fast track the controversial keystone pipeline project. the measure would have allowed construction to start immediately but it failed by just four votes. republicans unanimously supported it but the president had to personally lobby democrats to vote against it. 11 democrats switched sides of the aisle to support the bill. the pipeline expansion would bring crude oil from canada to the u.s. gulf coast. they say it would cut the mideast oil but they say the crude is poor quality and the pipeline would leak. you have developing news in the economy. >> that's right. minding your business this morning. greece, a critical debt swap in greece, big important story. creditors agreed to restructure greek government bonds, avoiding a disastrous disorderly default. greece now qualifies for the european bailout worth almost $172 billion. largest ever sovereign debt restructuring. more than 85% of bondholders agree to that deal. u.s. stock futures hovering around that breaking point. stocks open at 9:30 eastern. depends on what the big jobs report says an hour before that. expected to show 210,000 jobs created in february. 8.3% is likely the unemployment rate. we'll know for sure in an hour. and there's this. stunning time lapse video of a prefabricated hotel going up in china. 30 stories in just 15 days. where there were rows of cabbage and leeks a month ago. today stands an efficiency hotel the builter says will withstand an earthquake. more than 5 million view on youtube. western engineers and architects are stunned. one telling the l.a. times, quote, it's unfathomable. >> wow. >> i tweeted this out and all those people were saying, would say stay in that ho snell. >> do you have anything on the ground floor? >> built in a factory. assembled there. 15 days. >> see, so anyone who clans about ikea, they built a hotel. it's unbelievable. and this next story, i'm going to channel my iner home simpson. pink slime. 70% of the ground beef we buy in the supermarket contain something called pink slime. that stuffcdonald's and burger e off using it. beef scraps, connective tissue and other trimmings. enjoy your sausage this morning. treated with ammonium hydroxide to kill germs. ammonium hydroxide is a compound used to make homemade bombs. the u.s. department of agriculture has signed a deal to buy 7 million pounds of pink slime for its school lunch program. wow. big changes come for coke and pepsi. the soft drink giants are changing the recipe for the caramel coloring used. it's in response to california law that requires beverages with a certain level of car sent gins. they say their drinks won't taste any differently and won't contain pink slime. starbucks unveiling its own version of a single cup coffee brewing machine for the home. no price yet which will compete with green mountain which dominates the single cup market. shares of green mountain coffee plunged more than 10% after the announcement was made in the hours of trading. soledad, i'm just -- you haven't ingested any pink slime this morning, have you? >> you know, i just finished off a steak sandwich. so it happens. it was really good though. ali got the french toast. i went with the steak sandwich. it's good here. it's good to be here in austin. thank you, carlos. appreciate it. let's talk politics. the gop race for the presidential nomination still no clear winner sight. let's get you right to the latest delegate count. mitt romney leading with 429 delegates. rick santorum with 169 delegates. newt gingrich with 118. and ron paul trailing with 67 delegates. and so far in the state count, mitt romney racked up 14 states. santorum, 7 states. gingrich, two states. south carolina and georgia. and ron paul no, states. and there have been increasing calls from the santorum campaign, no surprise here, saying, newt gingrich, you should drop out. gingrich says he's not biting that offer. >> it's a long stretch i was either in first place or i was clearly in second place. during that entire period senator santorum declined to lead. now suddenly he's in better shape, he would like me to leave. it's just all a gym. he and i would both like romney to leave. everybody would like to end this on their terms. i think this is going to go on probably -- certainly into june. >> he's like, everybody wants everybody to leave. no one is going to be leaving any time soon. this morning we're joined by rick tyler, he is the senior adviser to the pro-gingrich super pac which is called win ourg future. it's nice to see you again, sir thank you for talking with us. you heard me give numbers when it comes to dell gegates and sts won. doing that math, really there's no way -- what is the path that could lead you to the nomination when i give you those numbers? >> well, the romney campaign has made a big deal out of math and says it's impossible for santorum or gingrich to catch up to mitt romney. i'll grant you it's improbable but it's not impossible. it's also equally improbable that mitt romney will arrive at the convention with the rec question is it number of delegates to arrive there as the nominee. so, look, i think if newt gingrich were to drop out and there's no reason he should. i mean, rick santorum and mitt romney are really two of the same candidate. they both are big government republicans. they're both increasing taxes. mitt romney had a 47 out of all the states in job creation. neither one of them defended the second amendment on various occasions. rick santorum voted for the debt ceiling five times. it just goes on and on. they both came to the realization that life begins at conception late in life. so there's a question about them. rick santorum famously endorsed arlen specter not only for senator but for president. so, look, why should he drop out? >> differences, no, yeah, i hear you. and i understand the differences. i guess when you talk about math, it's not, in all fairness, it's not just the romney campaign that talks about math. everybody is talking about math to try and figure out what the polkts as you make it to the conversati convention. let's talk about former strategy. here's what he said about the state of alabama. listen. >> i believe alabama has very major role to play. in setting the stage for the presidential nomination. >> he's running third in the state of alabama. that's going put a big krirch in the southern strategy if that happens. the big problem with the southern strategy is rick santorum doing well in the polling and a budge of those southern states. what's the plan now and how does the super pac fit into it? >> well, we'll see. i mean, you know, the ads are ads running here for about a week. there's a lot of activity here in alabama and here in mississippi. alabama is a bordering state of georgia. it has behaved politically like georgia, like south carolina. so i'll concede that alabama and mississippi are very important for newt to go forward. as i said, mitt romney is not likely to get to the convention with the rec question is it number of delegates. if he fails in the first ballot, the second ballot is a wide open ballot. if newt gingrich were to drop out, i think mitt romney would beat him. i don't think santorum has any ability to go one-on-one with mitt romney, his money and his organization, and win. so i think it actually benefits rick for newt to stay in the race and deny mitt romney the number of delegates that he'll need. if we get to the second ballot, rick santorum would get a chance to win the nomination by winning the second ballot. >> here's what tony perkins said. he said, listen, step out and be the kingmaker. he said, gingrich has never been in a more influential position in deciding the outcome of a nomination. he could be a kingmaker if he stepped out of the race and threw his support to another candidate. are you just not buying that? >> no. i mean, why should the people of mississippi be denied a choice to vote among the candidating iraning in the race? and why should the other states left to, go we're only halfway there. as i said, all the candidates have a money challenge now. all the candidates have a delegate deficit challenge now as i outlined. so, you know, what's wrong with letting the voters decide? >> that's a very good question. many of our segments this morning. it's nice to see you. thank you for talking with us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. you bet. it's a good question but at the end of the day, the math is the math, who matter who it's coming from. >> santorum and gingrich don't have jobs. they're professionally run for president. only if you can sell them on that kingmaker thing, otherwise they will be talked about until june. speaker fees will go up even if they don't get the nomination. >> i'm going to say that's not going to happen. >> relevant, gingrich and santorum by staying in. they worried about what's good for the party i think gingrich would get out and back romney. >> we'll talk about super pacs and how that's affecting that. still ahead on "starting point," we're going to talk about this documentary that's gone viral. have you sewn this? it's called kony 12. it's a wanted warlord. behind bars in 2012. also ahead this morning, going to talk to lewis black, the man who started south by southwest and how this festival has just, ploeded in a lot of the same ways that social media has exploded. and that brings us right to alexis' play list. a little jay-z. we're all jay-z this morning. the subtext today is jay-z. what are we listening to? >> "on to the next one." okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. 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[ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! ♪ ♪ listen to the music ♪ whoa listen to the music >> this is what it look like inside the cnn grill here at south by southwest in austin, texas. listening to congressman mary bono mack's play list. i like that. south by southwest began in 1987 as a regional event to bring together bands in austin, texas, and now a film festival. really a technology festival in a way. 30,000 people they're estimating this year will be coming. lewis black is one of the original cofounders of south by southwest, joining our panel. we appreciate it. >> thighs to be here. >> you don't seem like frazzled and crazed for being 30,000 people coming to your party today. >> there's three original founders still directing it. roland swanson is frazzled. i'm at the point where i, you know, i help make everything happen but the pressure on me is less. if he was here he would be frazzled. >> you started a weekly newspaper ""the chronicle"." >> in 1981. >> and this came out of that? >> a couple of friends of us said it would be great to have a regional musical conference. everybody in the business in a five-state area. that's why it's called south by southwest. >> i flew in from new york. >> and it lasted one year as a regional event. by the second and third year it was national. and four or five years later it was international. >> it has such a big impact on every category, in film, in music, certainly, and we've been talking about technology as well. why do you think that is? >> the core idea is, is that these are both creative fields and businesses. and the more you knee about the business the more control you have over your creativity. that the audience is the action. it's not just the panels and workshops and speakers but the people who are listening to them are just as involved and just as creative. so that the lines aren't, you know, this is not like a classroom where you have a bunch of freshmen learning from the old pros. this is such a flow of interaction, such a flow of creative information. and business information that it works the same in almost every field. >> sometimes it's a tough crowd. a tough reception from the audience. >> yes. >> when he was here. twitter was launched here last year -- two years ago. >> yeah. and last year they did -- they ipad 2, i think, or launched here. >> what's the big thing this year? >> you know, there's no big thing. the big thing is the audience. it's the people. it's everything. remember, 10,000 bands apply and 2,000 bands get in. 120 get in. 120 movies, 2,000 bands, is all the speakers and the panelists and film and interactive and music. so there's an enormous amount of creative energy. it all comes together and then it explodes. you can watch it bubble over for days. >> we look forward to exploding with it and bubbling over for days. thank you for joining us this morning. louis black, one of the cofounders. >> nice to be here. still ahead on "starting point," a wanted warlord who is now gone viral. there's a documentary really only online raising some hopes and also there's some controversy with it. we're going to talk about it. ali velshi has seen it. what's the most influential show in the history of television? our historian -- what do you know, doug glass? >> "i love lucy." >> it's on the list but it's not number one. >> "three's one. >> "three's company." >> i'll tell you in a minute. no. also it never finished in the top 20 on the most popular. weird, right? here's douglas brinkley's play list. 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[ female announcer ] travelocity. get great deals on all kinds of beach vacations. good morning. welcome, everybody. our "starting point" this morning is a focus on the big monthly jobs report that is coming out in roughly 30 minutes. it's already affecting oil prices and 401k but will the numbers bite or boost president obama. we'll talk to his former chief economist straight ahead. more people are hooked on legal painkillers than on heroin and cocaine combined. that epidemic goes way beyond the medicine cabinet. this morning we'll talk to mary bono mack to talk about some of the hearings that she's been having in congress about that. listen. >> my whole life people have asked me what it's like to be the son of the spiritual guy. it's a simple answer. strange. >> simple answer, strange. we're going to talk this morning to that father and son team. gotham is doing a documentary about his dad. we'll see how hard it is to do a revealing story about your own father. what was the biggest show, most influential tv show of all time? was it the "simpson's." >> tried three's company. >> it was not sesame street. you might remember the theme song though. >> hill street blues? >> ding, ding, ding. "starting point" begins right "starting point" begins right now for march 9th, 2012. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ♪ good morning. welcome, everybody. this is the cnn grill play list. it's the music we like to play here. it's called electric -- what is it, electric -- i keep missing it. >> head i hold is what they sing. we're at the cnn grill for the south by southwest conference that's in austin, texas. our panelists this morning, ali velshi is sticking around for us for the full two hours. fareid is with us and amy schwartz is the executive editor of texas monthly. one of the things that will be premiered here at south by southwest is depak and gotham chopra. they're doing a documentary. it will be shown this weekend. we'll talk to them this morning not only what the documentary is about but how hard it is to do a great job when the subject is your own father. first we have to look at some of the other headlines making the news. carlos dye as has those. >> good morning, soledad. this morning it's all about jobs, jobs, more jobs in a good way. you have the big jobs report due out in about 1/2 hour. the labor department will announce that the economy added about 210,000 jobs last month. that's a good thing. president obama, he's going to run with that talking up the economy at a speech at a rolls royce factory. president obama is urging them to go slow on iran. he says diplomacy should be the first way to go. the president's words have drawn praise from iran's supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei. one of the television interviews in israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu says he hopes there won't be a war and that diplomatic pressures on iran work. it's not clear if israeli's prime minister is listening. benjamin netanyahu is laying out a time frame for an attack on iran saying it's not days or weeks, but it's also not years either. whitney houston's daughter giving her first interview since her mother's death a month ago. 19-year-old bobbi kristina brown sat down with oprah winfrey. >> did you think that drugs would end up taking her? did you think that? >> the handwriting was kind of on the wall. i would be kidding myself to say otherwise. >> that's whitney's sister-in-law. the interviews will begin broadcasting sunday on oprah's own network. which show is the most influential in the history of television? survey says, "hill street blues." you know that music ♪ "hill street blues," aired for six years. a survey cited the police drama's large diverse cast and said it paved the way for more complex network shows. also in the top five, "i love lucy" was tied "the sopranos." we have the tonight show and survivor. soledad, regrettably "jersey shore" not on that list. i want to know, can you guys actually sing the theme song to "three's company?" that's my challenge. >> ali can. >> ♪ come knock on my door ♪ i'll be waiting for you yes. what do we win? >> i can't sing but i know the lyrics. >> you said theme song. these are hummable theme songs. >> that's what sticks. >> carlos, thanks for that. "hill street blues?" >> it was a series. >> precursor to law and order and csi. >> i liked it, i'm surprised, number one. we're talking about this story that actually covered a lot, the mississippi pardon situation, outrage again, anew, if you will, about the supreme court now ruling that upholds those pardons for 200 convicts who were granted pardons by the former governor, haley barbour, as he was making his way out of office there. the decision read in part this, pardons may not be set aside or voided by the judicial branch. governor barbour said in his statement this, the supreme court has reaffirmed more than a century of settled law in our state. one man freed by the decision is a guy named david gatlin. you might remember we talked a lot about him. he shot and killed his estranged wife. name was tammy. he also shot tammy's friend, randy walker. he shot him in the head. randy walker survived. gatlin pleaded guilty. he was sentenced to life in prison plus 30 years but ended up, because of the pardon, only serving 17.5 years. randy walker joins us this morning. mr. walker, thank for being with us. nice to talk to you again. i know we talked when the story first broke. whattest your reaction now that the supreme court of the state has weighed in? >> well, the supreme court weighed in and they've weighed in on the wrong side of the issue. i think they did what was politically easy for them rather than what was right for the people of mississippi. >> did the governor ever reach out to you? did the court ever reach out to you to sort of have a conversation to see how you felt by someone who had been shot in the head by one of these guys? >> no. the court never reached out to us and haley barbour has never reached out to us. we continue to ask for a meeting with him just to sit down for a few minutes and just have -- we just have some questions. we feel like we're due some answers. we would love to do that if he's ever inclined to do that. we would be very interested to sit down with him if he's ever inclined. >> it seems at this point that it's unlikely. what do you make of david gatlin now? are you concerned? he tried to kill you. are you worried for your life? do you think he's still a threat to you? >> i think once somebody tries to kill you and they don't succeed, he's always a threat -- he or she is always a threat. i've been advised that if i see david in any of my immediate area, whatever, that it would -- i should probably take that as a threat because he stalked us in the beginning when he did the shooting and tried to kill me, and that's the way i'll take it if i see him again. i'll take it as an immediate threat on my life and i'll act accordingly. >> what does that mean exactly, act accordingly? >> well, i've been advised not to go into it in too much detail, but he would know what it means. >> meaning that you would -- you would -- are you threatening him? okay. >> no. >> just the sight of him. >> i would never threaten him, i would just be -- i would take that as a threat on my life and i would defend myself. >> okay. all right. well, randy walker, we appreciate you talking with us. randy has been talking to us a lot ever since the story broke. he's one of many families disa ipt poed not only by the governor but the supreme court decision. still ahead on "starting point," we're just minutes away from that big job report numbers we're expecting out. we're going to talk to president obama former chief economist austin goolsley, what it means to the whole gop field as well. then the fastest growing drug problem in this country is prescription drug abuse. more people are hooked on painkillers, they say, than on heroin and cocaine combined. we're going to talk to congresswoman mary bono mack who's trying to change all of that. she's going to join us live straight ahead. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about the cookie-cutter retirement advice ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 you get at some places. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 they say you have to do this, have that, invest here ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 you know what? 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>> well, thank you for having me back, soledad. i think the hearing went very well. first and foremost we're getting more and more members of congress to focus attention on this problem. i testified with members from west virginia, kentucky, massachusetts and before -- other members from wisconsin. a lot of members are really recognizing this is an epidemic within their communities. they're starting to recognize that we need to do something, whether it's refocus the attention of the dea and ask questions of the fda. there's a lot of acronyms, i know, but bottom line is more and more members are starting to recognize this is a very tragic epidemic. it's an american tragedy. >> so there are two pieces of legislation that i want to focus on. the one is to educate both people who are doctors and prescribers of drugs. the other would limit access specifically to oxycontin. how much do you think something like oxycontin is overprescribed? >> oh, that's a great question. first of all, not only oxycontin, but all sorts of pills right now are overprescribed. the dea last year had three takeback days, nationally, of drugs where they took back 995,000 pounds of pills. 995,000 pounds. that's a lot of pills. so not only oxycontin is overprescribed but i think all sorts of medications are overprescribed. it's taking a toll on health insurance premiums, it's taking a toll on the public health, it's taking a toll on the overall budget because a lot of this money is coming out of medicare and medicaid as well. oxycontin's one example. to me, it is probably the most -- you know, the worst of all of these narcotic drugs. very high rate of addiction after, you know, just a few uses of oxycontin. >> and a very high rate, i think, of stigma, too. you and i have spoken in the past. you had a son who had drug problems, a first husband who had drug problems. you talk about your mom who had drinking problems. how much is the issue of sort of shame and embarrassment among family members complicate all of this? >> well, you know, over the years i think with "the help" of people like betty ford, i think the stigma has certainly lessened, but there's no doubt that still people are ashamed or they don't recognize that addiction truly is a disease and we should focus on prevention and recovery as well as keeping these pills out of the hands of people who don't need them. but the stigma does still exist. you know, i think it's important that we shift our thinking that this is not a moral failing. it truly is a disease. and if people need help, they should be willing to say, you know, it's time for me to ask for help and be proud to stand up and go in and get "the help" that they need. >> fariah? >> one of the things that i've certainly been tracking is basically how different state regulations treat pain mills where people can go in with almost no justification and get pills. so how does your bill address the pain mill phenomenon? >> well, much of the work for the pill mills is being done by state attorneys general. i have to applaud a lot of them. certainly in florida pam bondi has been an absolute champion of this. in california, the dea and others just arrested a doctor allegedly for prescribing just so many of these narks to people way over and above what an ordinary physician's office would prescribe. she's being charged for three counts of murder for potentially contributing to the death of three different young men. in this case i've written a letter to the district attorney encouraging him to throw the book at this doctor if, in fact, they can find out she's guilty. the american people -- the american public needs to right now stand up and say if these bad doctors, not the good doctors, but if these bad doctors are contributing to these overdose deaths, they need to go to jail. i've written a letter to the district attorney saying, we're behind you. throw the book at this doctor if she, in fact, helped kill these people. >> what's the -- how do you break down the difference between the bad doctors and the bad patients, the ones who know how to game the system? because if you work outside the insurance system, it's really not that hard to go to different doctors, get prescriptions and get them filled. >> well, first of all you start raising the awareness of this problem. the state medical boards are starting to look more and more carefully at this. but it's very simple. how many of these doctors are truly doing assessments of the actual physical needs, physical health of these patients or are they simply walking in, complaining of this doctor in los angeles, a patient walked in and said he had a sore wrist and she wrote him a prescription for oxycontin. so there are clearly ways of doing this, but another way, and this is very insidious, a number of parents have told me that they confronted this doctor to her face and said to her, my child is addicted to these drugs. please stop prescribing them for my child. and she looked them in the face and said, that's not my problem. i mean, that's a pretty good sign that this is a bad doctor. >> congresswoman mary bono mack joining us this morning. we'll obviously keep talking to you about this issue which i know is very near and dear to your heart and anything else you want to join us to talk about. we appreciate your time. >> i promise i'll bring good songs. >> you do. you've done it. >> she does. >> you might be the best so far today. you win the award for that. >> yeah. still ahead, although i should tell her it's a lobar today for some of us. ahead we're going to talk a little bit about the keystone pipeline issue. dead on arrival as democrats send a message to the president about the vote. also we'll talk to depak, a son looking at his famous father. we leave you with mimi schwartz's first selection. ♪ when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's new glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. 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>> sure. that's a good question because i set out to make a movie about my father but i quickly discovered that it was about me. i think any film is somewhat about the filmmaker. ultimately though i kind of felt in looking at my dad and understanding how he affected me, frankly, how he's affected millions of people v, that a lo of the film is about what his audience is searching for and what they see in him. >> deepak, i know this is not the first time someone had pitched to you, hey, let's do a documentary about you and your life. why did you agree? what did you think you would get out of this and why say yes to your son? is it just because he was your son? >> i think it's natural to say yes for your son. my initial reaction was that, oh, my god, he's trying to exploit commercially his father's fame, if you will, do that, so i let him do it, let him follow me for a year or so, and then i realized that it was fun to have him around with me. i didn't know what the film was going to turn out to be. there are parts of it that make me really uncomfortable, but then that's life, you know? this film is more than a film about gotham or me. it's a film about father/son relationships in general. >> what parts make you uncomfortable that's a film about friendship in general? >> well, because, you know, the public persona is never the real person. society creates images of people and ultimately those images don't conform to the actual reality and when those images are defile here and there, then people get enraged and upset. i think it's a very honest film and it's in the end a spiritual film because spirituality is about being human and being human means having contradictions, paradox, ambiguity, all of that. >> gotham, it's ali velshi here. that strikes me as very interesting because the world thinks it knows deepak chopra. we see him a lot. he seems so open. i almost feel there's something i don't know about him so what's the thing to compel people to see this film? what is it we're going to find out about him, you, your relationship and his spirituality that we don't really know? >> i think you realize that even i don't know myself in all aspects. >> well, i'm very used to -- >> gotham. >> go ahead, gotham. >> no, i think, you know, it's an interesting question. i mean, ultimately that, yeah, people are full of contradiction, even those people that we, you know, qualify as spiritual, they're human and they are vulnerable. you know, my father, i think i set out to see one thing and probably thought i knew certain things about him that the world didn't know and i was not going to expose them as much as reveal them, but i discovered even, you know, to me there are parts of my father that i don't fully understand orek con siel and that's part of being human. that's part of the journey. when he calls it spiritual, i suppose that's kind of where this film really goes. it really looks at people and discovers that people like my father are reflections, they're mirrors. in them you see what you want to see. certainly that was an experience for me as well. >> deepak chopra and gotham chopra joins us this morning. i'm having a hard time speaking. it's friday. the show's almost done. the film will debut is what i'm trying to say on sunday right here at south by southwest. it's nice to see you both, even if it's from a distance. thanks for talking with me about your film. i look forward to seeing the whole thing. still ahead this morning on "starting point," we're minutes away from that critical job report that we've been telling you about all morning. christine romans will join us to break down the numbers and we'll get reaction from president obama's former chief economist will join us. we leave you with carlos diaz's play list. 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>> there's an economic cycle and public policy. public policy influences confidence immediately. the only thing the president can do is make people say, hey, this is getting better. i will spend. i'm not likely to lose my job. that's the part that the president can influence. he did take over at the low point in this economy, and that chart shows that. so he can take credit for it if he's getting blamed for it, which is what a lot of the republican candidates were doing. they said he caused a lot of job losses. stimulus did nothing. he gets to hand this back to them and say really? >> austin is the former chief economist and joins us to talk about the numbers and what it's going to mean for the president's politics. that will come up in a minute. let's get back to christine for one second. you and i have long talked about numbers and then we take it the next step to talk about implications. when you see the jobs report going up and the gas prices going down and up, sort of opposite factors there, the gas price is bad for the president, job numbers good. very good news for him. >> what you'll see is people saying, look, what about the underemployment rate? what about all the people that want to be working full time and aren't? what about people that are not working at their ability or their wages that they had in 2005. as you guys well know, there are a lot of different ways to slice all of these numbers. you have to get into them sort of pretty deeply. they're different for a lot of people. when i go on and say there's 8.3% unemployment in this country, i get a lot of feedback from those people who say, it doesn't feel like that to me. that doesn't feel good to me either. it depends who you are. when you look at underemployment of african-americans, it's about a quarter of african-americans are underemployed, statistically underemployed. it's more around 8%. i'm giving you last month's numbers. why are there so many disparities and what kind of conversation are we having in the public arena, about jobs for everyone and not fighting politically about who's responsible for losing those jobs? >> faraid? >> i think there are some really interesting trends that have to do with voter satisfaction versus employment. african-americans are the most heavily unemployed and underemployed group in america but still have the vastly highest approval rating for the president. the president's approval ratings have gone up. so there's a lot of different reasons that people parse out politics and jobs. another thing we should think about is on this punishing sort of great recession, a lot of people have spent down their savings. more people than ever are living paycheck to paycheck and a lot of these jobs may be not as stable as the ones that they had before so we may also still continue to see a lot of trends with credit card debt, people overleveraging. >> like a lagging indicator. >> exactly. >> and what happens if gas prices go up at the pump? then you have people who are underemployed trying to get to work and can't afford it. >> it's not completely inconceivable when you look at your next big jobs report number that those numbers could switch and then all of a sudden the narrative changes. >> you're really right about that. the people looking for work, the people in the south who drive disproportionately further than we do in the northeast where we use public transportation. this gas thing is scary. we'll continue to talk about that with our panel and christine romans who's back in new york breaking down the numbers for us. as i mentioned, austin who was the president's former chief economist will join us and talk about some numbers and what it means in the political arena as well. then putting a face to -- and the age on the labor market. we'll discuss that. christine will come back to break down some of these numbers. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment as we come to you from south by southwest. forty years ago, he wasn't looking for financial advice. back then, he had something more important to do. he wasn't focused on his future but fortunately, somebody else was. at usaa we provide retirement planning for our military, veterans and their families. now more than ever, it's important to get financial advice from people who share your military values. call now for our free guide and tips on planning for your retirement this tax season. delicious gourmet gravy. and she agrees. with fancy feast gravy lovers, your cat can enjoy the delicious, satisfying taste of gourmet gravy every day. fancy feast. the best ingredient is love. you're watching "starting point." we've been talking about the latest job numbers that are now out. employers added 227,000 jobs. the unemployment rate stays steady at 8.3%. that jobs number is slightly higher than what people were predicting. i think it was most economists saying 202,000. >> in the low 200,000. >> cnn money was saying a little higher. >> all private sector jobs. we're not in the business creating more government jobs. we're not in the business of losing government jobs now. we seem to have leveled out at this spot. these are the private sector. that's exactly what we want. it's a strong report. we are on track at this point. we talked earlier to a reporter who said we need many more jobs per month to get down to where we were before the recession but we're on track to eliminating some of those job losses and it feels good. >> that was called the threshold, right, which is when you calculate sort of all the other losses that increasing by 200 some odd thousand jobs. >> and population growth. the people still coming to this country which we need them to do. >> some people haven't regained the same job they have gotten. they might be working but not at the same level for the same amount of money. >> i think in texas in particular there's not an unemployment problem as much as there's an education problem where a lot of highly skilled jobs are going begging. >> correct. that's what we're seeing here. if you graduate with a degree in petroleum engineering, you can come out and earn over $95,000 a year when you graduate. around austin every company is looking for software developers. starting experience 40 but you can earn 150,000. >> we have austan goolsbee. he's the former chairman of the president's council of economic advisors. it's nice to see you. thank you for talking with us. we have 227,000. 8.3%. what do you make of these numbers? the unemployment rate itself stays unchanged? >> well, the number's pretty solid, i think. the expectations were good and this came in even a little above that. i think you see what we've been wondering when it would happen for a while, that as the job market improves, some people who were out of the labor force come in there and that's why even though there was strong job creation, the unemployment rate didn't go down. i think the one thing to highlight that's fairly interesting is that there are two surveys. one is of people and that's where you get the unemployment rate and the other is of businesses that are established. that's where you get the job number. the job creation from the people survey was actually much stronger even than the jobs from the business survey. that's usually a sign that the small business and new enterprise formation is kicking back up. that's a thing that until the last couple of months has been really, really bad in this recession. so that's a good sign. >> so we were talking about the threshold, and earlier this morning we had a guest who said the threshold is 300,000 to 400,000. that's the number you need to be hitting to make those numbers really change and really be meaningful. do you think that's true? >> that seems pretty extreme to me. 300, 400,000 jobs numbers would be epically big numbers. i think if you keep adding 200,000 jobs a month, there will be these -- some people coming into the labor force and not. if you do that on a sustained basis, you will bring down the unemployment rate quite significantly. >> let's talk about what the implications are and we'll start with president obama. when you look at his approval rating, when they ask the question do you generally approve or disapprove of the job he's doing handling the economy, his approval number is below 50%. it's 45%. the disapproval number is at 51%. it's going the right direction. what do you read into these numbers, sir? >> as everyone knows, that's pretty highly tied to how people feel the economy is doing. as the economy's improved the last three or four months, you've seen his numbers getting better. i do think people have perhaps gotten a little out ahead of themselves on the recovery. there's still a lot of things out in the world that make the recovery a little tenuous and the growth rate could slow down and the job market could, if not get worse, it could just stop getting better fast enough. so i think they probably have to keep an eye on that and be concerned about it. >> can i ask you one quick final question about the jobs bill? the jobs bill passed. it was bipartisan. we heard eric cantor trumpeting that it was bipartisan and it's meaningful. then you heard nancy pelosi say it's teeny tiny, sounded like she was saying it's meaningless. eric cantor came back and said, it's not. where do you stand on it, is it a big deal or is it not a big deal? >> well, i think it's a big deal if you can get people to start working together in washington. that's been one of our on the government policy side, that's been one of our biggest problems. so as a sign of what we need to do, i think it's good. i think in reality the main thing that's got to drive the recovery is going to be the private sector. so the government has a role, but if you just look at the jobs numbers, you know, the government's been shrinking in job creation and more than 100 percent of the job creation's coming from the private sector. that's what's got to be the driver. >> austan goolsbee, professor of economics at the university of chicago boolt school of business. nice to see you, sir. we're going to come back in a moment and talk more specifically about who's working and who's not working and just how fragile is this economic recovery? 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