Her he was gay in 1979. I asked him, stevie when was your first samesex experience . He just looked at me and said it was with Dennis Hastert. And i just, i know i was stunned. I said why didnt you ever tell anybody, stevie . He was your teacher, why didnt you ever tell anybody . He just looked at me and said who is ever going to believe me . The fbi contacted burge two weeks ago. Hastert is due in federal Court Next Week on charges of bank fraud and lying to the fbi about alleged hush money that he paid to someone identified only as individual a. Many open questions and its possible that hastert himself is a victim in all of this. Here to help me break it all down defense attorney and cnn legal analyst mark omara. Youre not used to this but allow me to ask you leading questions. You ready . Certainly. Absolutely. Isnt it true that he is not being prosecuted for any Sexual Misconduct . That is correct. Hes not. Isnt it true if the underlying facts, if the underlying facts stem from events of 34 to 50 years ago, the statute of limitations for those underlying events has probably run. Almost definitely, correct. Therefore, if he paid money to keep quiet someone who didnt have a cognizable legal claim, there is the potential that this case is one of extortion. Thats correct. If he was being threatened with some type of public exposure and paid money in that regard then the person who threatened him would be guilty of extortion. Do you think, im finished with the leading questions. Thank you for playing along. Thank you. Do you think that in this case the feds might be reluctant to charge individual a with extortion if they think such a case is exists because they regard individual a as a victim of sexual abuse and they dont want to be put in that position. Well, they do have diskreshzcretion in how theyre going to prosecute a case. Rape shield statutes that say they cannot disclose the victims name of sexual abuse victim even afterwards. We know thats why theyre calling them individual a. I would tell you if individual a put hmself inimself in a position of committee extortion, that will override the discretion given to Law Enforcement. They have legitimate extortion claim, theyre going to go forward wait. You wonder if at this stage Dennis Hastert is cooperating with Law Enforcement in this regard. Has he provided his version of events sufficient that they would be able to make an extortion claim to the extent there might be one underlying all of this . That is the real problem for hastert. I mean if im him criminal defense lawyer what do you say . Talk to the feds about the fact that somebody who you voluntarily agreed to pay 3 million to cover up what now seems to be a sexual abuse allegation that may well have been true with all the other victims identified and, michael, as you know as well as i do this might well be the tip of the iceberg as far as potential victims out there. So does he deal or cooperate with fbi of feds knowing full well that within that cooperation, he is going to have to admit to every act that theyre going to ask him about and every other potential victim. If im him crims criminal defense lawyer keep your mouth shut and deal with an archaic effect under this statute and not open yourself up to the ridicule that he will have if he starts talking. Mark you and i as two attorneys i dont want a viewer of cnn to think im sympathetic towards hastert if in fact he was responsible for this kind of conduct. I just want to explain that there are some legal dynamkiynamdynamics which make it complex. Not just a case of, did he molest these individuals . Absolutely true. It may well be. It looks more as more victims come out that he did. Not speculating too much. But if thats true hes got to deal with those sins. With those crimes some way, some how some time. But, youre right, the legal analysis of this which, again, we get dispassionate because we have to be. You start looking at crimes of 30 years ago. Statutes have run even with the one person who had acknowledged or stated to the sister about the abuse, that wouldnt make it into a courtroom. So yeah there are some real legal problems with where were going on this case. Final question for mark omara. What business of the federal government if an individual has more than 10,000 in a bank and chooses to withdraw it . Not very much to tell you the truth. Its the al capone method so you cant get him on much and you get him on tax evasion. One, he took money out and why. When you didnt tell thus truth, you lied to us and may try to get him on some well you know theyre trying to get him on this arkansaschaic banking argument and lying to the feds about it. Its difficult, its a stretch. We all know now were looking at the underlying sexual abuse crimes because thats what they found out about and trying to bring it it to the forefront. Well learn more at the arraignment on tuesday. Mark thank you if your analysis. Thanks. I want to turn now to the molestation scandal that is rocking the duggars. Jim bob and michelle speaking out for the first time this week but their interview with fox news megan kelly has left more questions than answers, particularly about the socalled safeguards they put in place after eldest son josh admitted to molesting four of his sisters. Two of the sisters, jessa and jill spoke out about the scandal. Heres what they had to say last night. In joshs case he was a boy, a young boy in puberty and little too curious about girls. And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices. But, really the extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims. Most of it while girls were sleeping. We didnt even know about it until he went and confessed it to my parents and they shared it with us. I want to bring in psychiatrist dr. Gale salts. She wrote the book anatomy of a secret life. The sisters are defensive of the brother. Is that to be expected in a case like this involving family . Its not unusual. Its not unusual when children are abused by their parents or by a sibling because they still love that person and they need to have that person be a good person in their lives as they stay attached. Its a defense mechanism to feel you know to some degree this is understandable or excusable. Its sometimes why victims feel shame and guilt like did i do something . Is it my fault in some way . On the other hand it may also be if you have treatment over time and the other person has treatment over time that you are able to rebuild a relationship. I dont want to say you should therefore not love your sibling any more and have it all be over but, yes, to defend them is your second defense mechanism. I heard dad say this week, we didnt have a reporting requirement. What is a parent to do if god forbid they find themselves in the position of learning that a son or a daughter has acted improperly like this . I think, unfortunately, in a scenario like this parents are in a nowin situation. As far as the law is concerned. Thats a different scenario from i think, the Public Health issue of is it safe to have this person around, around your children or around other children. Thats why public reporting or reporting to authorities, Child Services being able to come in and assess is so important. Thats often done by the medical professional which is why its also so important to get treatment. Treatment for the victims and treatment for the perpetrator. I get that. But do you think most parents really would report to the authorities what has taken place with a 14yearold son. I think they often would not. Right. What youre asking me is that a good thing . Its not a good thing. Its not a good thing. First of all, you admit you can handle it within the home. I think these parents love their children and the sister loved the brother. I mean they really tried in the way that they knew how. But there were some failings and the failings come into account in terms of what kind of Mental Health care treatment. I think not all treatment is created equal. They have been very vague about counselors. Counselors doesnt mean anything. You need someone who is really trained, has an expertise in this area and has a real degree and really knows how to work with and treat. Treatment does help. But not, treatment can hurt if its with somebody who is not qualified. They are upset. The family is upset that this is playing itself out in public and the City Solicitor says we went by the book. The names were redacted in the way in which we produced this information pursuant to a request. I think it was a huge mistake to release this information. Its terrible for the victims and any potential victims. Any decent psychotherapy and the cornerstone of this type of reporting in juvenile akids. You ask me will kids report certainly they wont if they think it will follow them for the rest of their lives and be revealed. I think they had a duty to keep that confidential. Thats a moral duty. Is it legal . Thats a different story. How about this judgment on their part. The judgment after these events have played themselves out, theres a knock at the door and somebody wants to do a Reality Television program and bring cameras into your home. Isnt the reasonable answer to say, holy smokes, we have some issues here we dont want the cameras. The same question i ask about Dennis Hastert. Dennis hastert followed sexual impropriety impropriety. Maybe i shouldnt be speaker of the house. Were always curious about this. Why do people come out and do this public thing that isso far in the opposite direction. Become the pillar of morality when there is some real skeleton in their closet . I think its psychically motivated. Its called splitting. The minds way of saying to itself i am not guilty of this. I do not have this urge to do something sexually wrong. In fact im the opposite. Im so the opposite that i will be the moral pillar for the world and show everyone and show myself that im that good. Its something that psychologically goes youre talking about hagert and lots of people that we say, why were they actually the representative of the best of the best when this was going on . That is what the mind does to try to squelch urge. When the better thing to do is to understand that urge so that you dont need to continue to act on it and behave on it. Final question about the duggars. Im not a psychiatrist. I only get to play one on tv. Is this confirmation of my poof theory of life. If you keep your kids so buttoned up and dont give them a taste of freedom, when they have the opportunity, they cant handle it . Is being incredibly sexually repressed going to produce some problems . Potentially, yes. Do most people who are so repressed with their kids have their 15yearold molest their 5yearold . No. So it cant account for all of it i would say. Sound like the dsm will not have the poof theory in it any time soon. Thank you for that. Coming up so far ron paul hasnt had much of a role in his sons campaign but that has been by design maybe, to keep conservatives happy. Is it about to change . Is a new rand paul emerging . 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Obviously, people point out that were not identical and who would expect us to be identical. But he speaks more about personal liberty and limited government. A changed Foreign Policy auditing the fed and looking into our system and they said you know, when he did the nsa thing people is ed you know hes done. Hes finished. You know and republicans and democrats all in the senate. Everybody in washington jumped on him. Yet when you did a poll they were with him and not with mcconnell. So, the American People, i think he is able to talk more to the American People than the other candidates because i think he has a set of principles that he would much rather see Smaller Government and not make excuses for expanding our surveillance state and military presence around the world. You cant be conservative if youre always expanding government on surveillance and expanding government in the military Industrial Complex and expanding our government around the world. Theres nothing conservative about that. Thats Big Government spending as far as im concerned. Now that hes running for the white house, does he ever call you and say, dad, you have to reign it in on these issues . Dont rock the boat. No he never has. Like i said he made his own decisions politically and its a busy job. And he has called me on things like mortgages and things and financial issues. You know fannie mae and freddie mac and what we went through in 09. So those kind of things. He has the financials. But hell he stays pretty busy. Hell be visiting us this summer and probably visit some more. Are you going to get out on the stump for him . Theres no plans for it and we havent talked about it. So i dont know what well do. I went to his announcement and supported him there. But its his show right now. I dont want to distract from what hes doing. So its one of those things that i think it will work its way out. Hey, congressman, when you ran for president , you had to share the debate stage, but not with 15 or 16 other candidates. How should this process be managed given the number of individuals who are seeking the gop nod . Ill take it out of the hands of the media because that becomes very biassed. I remember the first debate a little bit of that happened before. The most important first debate was in new hampshire. And it was a fox debate and i was scheduled to be on it and i was doing very well in the polls. But i think two days before something, ron paul youre not allowed to come to the debate. Which, obviously, was a negative for me. So no i dont think they should have as much clout. I think it was better when voters or some other independent group. But truly independent group would schedule the debates rather than Media Outlets because i think theyre very, very slanted. Does one media outlet fox, lets call it out, play too much of a kingmaker role in this process . Well for the republicans i guess so. But, you know i think that the American People right now are getting more of their news you know off the majors because they are concerned about it. We need more people like you, michael. You and i at least can discuss these things. But this is not average that were able to have a discussion and respect each others viewpoints. Too often, it is very very slanted. That is the toughest part to maintain a little bit of decorum when those who are interviewed are always trying to set you up and do harm to you because they have their agenda. And fox is well known for that. You know on somebody like myself who is more libertarian than typical conservative pro war, they dont like that. Congressman y want to show a picture. A picture i saw on twitter. You with your wife looking at a Television Set as rand paul is speaking from the floor of the United States senate and it brings to mind this final question. What is the source of more pride . Your own personal achievements in Elective Office or the achievements of your son . I have to admit. I think theyre one in the same because political achievements are secondary for me. I thought they were worthwhile for me as well as for rand. But for one reason that were promoting something we seriously believe in. That we believe were doing some good. So i can look at what hes done with nsa and i have to say that i have to sort of search around for what ive achieved. I made an effort and maybe, you know opened up the door. But, no i would say its equal and the measurement is whether or not anybody respected the views we have and actually nudged them. Where i get personal satisfaction is when i talk to young people the college kids that are still willing to talk about these issues and they tend to like Civil Liberties and theyre antiwar and they would like to see less you know less of our fighting overseas and they like sound money. Thats what i personally get satisfaction from. I think thats equal for rand and myself. Congressman, good to catch up with you, again. Thank you so much for being here. Okay, michael. Coming up Caitlyn Jenners big reveal. Got a vip invite to her coming out party. Ill speak with the physician who has gender transformation surgery. It could also bring the first bachelor since 1856. Lindsey graham has no wife no kids some would say no baggage. Will that help or hurt him . With all due respect, the president does not. Why its as plain and as civil as my maid kicked in the head by a donkey. This hp instant ink can save you up to 50 on ink delivered to your door so print all you want and never run out. Plans start at 2. 99 a month. Right now, buy an eligible printer and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink. Available at participating retailers. The most affordable way to print. Hp instant ink. When youre living with diabetes steady is exciting. 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I was excited to see it and i think she looked great and i did catch her diane sawyer interview. So far so good. No elements of it that seem exployitative to you given the reality show . I definitely cringe as a physician when i see the world get their education through a show like the kardashians. It is a free country and she has a right to tell her story. Her livelihood sort of depends on it. Just as long as the world knows that not every transgender person goes through a transition like this. This seems rather rapid. But youre the expert. Is the pace with which this transition has taken place typical . I think it always seems rapid to those who arent directly involved. Because most times its kept a secret for so long and then when that person makes up their mind and decides to go through with it it happens fast because, i mean for caitlyn a whole lifetime. She couldnt get it done soon enough. I have lots of questions. I want to run through a quick list of them if i may. Is the surgery that you perform perfected for both men and women who are transitioning . The male to female surgery is very good. And theres always room for improvement, but i think were at a very good spot right now. And for the female to male surgeries, they its a little more difficult to make something thats not there than to take away. We have more tissue to work with. But its improving day by day. In this country we dont do a lot of the, to get technical, because it is so expensive. Do men and women transition in equal proportion . It seems the case that get most discussed are men transitioning to female . I agree. Male to female seems to be in the news a lot more. We dont have any hard numbers based on but i would predict based on my practice it is about equal. Why is so much of this surgery performed overseas . In this country, insurance, a long history of insurance not paying for it and its very expensive and other countries have set up a whole medical and its much cheaper in places like thailand thailand. When you say cheaper, ballpark what the transition would cost . Something in the United States could run for a vaginal plasty would be from 17,000 to 25,000 and in thailand like 10,000 or 12,000. Is insurance changing in which the way it treats it in the United States . Are more carriers picking up the cost of gender confirmation surgery . Were in the middle of a lot of change right now because, yes, they are. Would the Affordable Care act play a role in that . Yes. And president obama has also removed the barriers for medicare, which used to have it as an exclusion. So here you are someone who has transitioned yourself now performing this type of surgery. Is it difficult for you as a practitioner to get hospital privileges to do so . Yeah it has been. It has been difficult in the early stages to even get malpractice insurance. Im friends with most of the major surgeons who performed this and at one time or another, i think all of our careers have been affected by that. Is that changing . Of course. Yeah. The whole field is so much different than it was ten years ago. Do you think the concerns that have been expressed whether its malpractice insurance or whether to grant you privileges to perform gender confirmation surgery is based in religion or based in science . What do you think the predicate is . I think its based in social norms and because its certainly not based in science. This surgery has been going on since the late 60s in this country. Its not experimental. We have ton of research and it is effective at improving quality of life for these people. How young is too young to begin this process . The standard of care is usually we wait until 18 years old, but we do have exceptions to that based on each individual patient. Because we dont want to make somebody wait until 18 when their life might be in jeopardy over feeling so badly about it. How do you protect against buyers remorse that someone undergoes gender reassignment or confirmation surgery and then later regrets it . Thats very rare. I would say, less than 1 less than 0. 5 . I think the media likes to pick up on it and portray it because thats everybodys fear. But the reality is the screening and if someone goes through the process in the correct manner we dont really see too much of it. If we do see it it tends to be a social situation. Not that theyre not transgender, but theyre in a situation where their family is very religious or they arent able to make money. I would imagine that before you perform, you want to be assured from a psychological that this person is ready. Yes, i get very involved with that. Final question hope its not crass. Do you think c ayaitlyn jenner will be good for your business . More will undertake a process they were fearful of . People like caitlyn and chazz bono are high profile. But its a small, tight knit Community Online and i dont thing it is really going to change things. Not a lot of people who do what i do, so were always pretty busy. Hillary clinton calling out her gop rivals by name insisting theyre afraid to let citizens have their say. Its all part of her new push to support Voting Rights does she have another agenda . Plus lindsay grams announcea announcement. Is america ready for a bachelor president . The pursuit of healthier. It begins from the second were born. After all, healthier doesnt happen all by itself. It needs to be earned. Every day. Using wellness to keep away illness. And believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. Healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care. By connecting every single part of it. For as the world keeps on searching for healthier. Were here to make healthier happen. 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Go show the good side of hillary. All weve seen is the bad side the first few weeks. S. E. I think we could run this race tomorrow and get very close to the result that we will get in november of 2016. The independents. She had an 11point drop in just three months among independents. Yeah also among democrats. And i think, you know if you listen to hillarys surrogates over the past few months defend her Campaign Plan which was not to engage with the press and not to take a lot of questions. They said dont worry about it. She hasnt had to do any of this because her numbers have been good. Now, her numbers arent good. I think you have to start, youre going to start seeing hillary have to start engaging with the media. Taking questions. And, frankly, you know shes not always very good at defending herself. Whether its her record or her larger than life persona. Her wealth. Shes had problems doing this before. So i think shes been reluctant to really put herself out there for that reason. But, with these numbers, shes got to start doing something different. Lets switch gears and go to the gop side of the aisle. Ellis, jeb bush now says it will be june 15 when he makes it official. Hasnt he just proven what a sham these election laws are . Of course hes running for president. Not just jeb, but a master practitioner added. To go out and run the vacuum cleaner of all the funds and then finally to announce ones candidacy. Yeah. Absolutely right. In the media were enablers too. We make oh, my goodness is he weighing a run . Thinking about a run. Oh, look, hes exploring a run. We cover that stuff as if it has any truth in it. We just cover it and assume theyre running from the beginning. Oh by the way, he made an official announcement yesterday. S. E. , you wrote a column about Lindsey Graham this week. Yes, Lindsey Graham is a batch ler. Who cares. What was the point you are making . When we have such a big field as we do youll find people trying to find ways to distinguish these people from one another. One of the story lines were all zeroing in on is that Lindsey Graham is the bachelor candidate and what does it mean . You see a lot of ofolkfolks in the media trying to make something of this. Frankly, i just dont think it means anything. You know hes got 20 years of a record in the senate. Plenty of stuff to talk about. Hes not an uninteresting politician when it comes to his policies and the things that hes done. I think theres a lot for us to talk about with this policy without having to talk about his home life. The headline in part at cnn. Com. No being unmarried does not make Lindsey Graham a feminist. I thought i was going to Say Something else at the end of that sentence. Yeah i mean cant you just imagine someone at salon or frankly, someone at like red state writing that Lindsey Grahams bachelorhood makes him some kind of feminist because he hasnt tied down a woman to his political career. And i just i mean you know the political season is crazy. Its the silly season. Were going to see all kinds of crazy story lines and not be surprised if someone tries to make that part of the Lindsey Graham story. Ellis, i just interviewed eded ron paul. This week rand paul seemed like a chip off the old block. Is that a calculated decision. Thats where his space in the gop be more of the embodment of dad. This is what hes got. 417 righties in the race. If youre rand what makes me different . Turns out hes got some things. For month he was downplaying them and hiding them. I say go be rand. Its a whole lot better. Frankly, the only way hell be able to chip off part of the constituency there. S. E. I was surprised when i asked rand paul a moment ago when will you get out there on the trail for rand and he hesitated and said, its his moment in time. I was there for the announcement. How do you think ron paul should use rand paul . Ellis just said rand should go be rand. I dont think rand knows who rand is. Rand uses his father when the libertarian isolationist group is beneficial and then distances himself from ron paul when he knows that ron pauls policies are unpalatable to most republicans. I think rand pauls challenge is constantly trying to find a way to turn his libertarian philosophies into governing policies and he is finding that to be very very difficult. Ellis, 30 seconds left. Rick perry gets into the race this week. Is that all about trying to erase the memory of what happened in the oops moment and other aspects of the 2012 campaign . You know michael, hes got to try harder to erase it out of my mind. Im sorry. You think the launch was fine but i cant help but looking at the guy and thinking youre damaged goods. He hasnt done anything to make me think it was an aberration that he fundled lastmbled last time so much. I dont think he can get past it. I think its too late. Well find out. Thank you, great analysis. We appreciate you. Thanks. Coming up pataki unplugged. The former new york governor has thrown his name into the 2016 president ial race. Hes hoping to emerge as the gops more moderate candidate. But, how will he feel if donald trump ends up on that debate stage and he doesnt . Hes here with me next. Lilly baker is preparing for college. Shell use that education to get a job. Shell use that job to buy a home. This is lilly baker. Her mom just refinanced their home and is putting an extra 312 a month toward lillys tuition. Lilly is about to take over the world. Whos with her . Buy in. Quickenloans home buy. Refi. Power. Im one. Im one. Im one. 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Former new york governor George Pataki has flirted with president ial runs in the past but this time hes in. Prior to his recent announcement of the 2016 run, pataki admitted to friends and allies hes a long shot for the gop nomination. Out of office since 2006 hes trying to get back on the radar in republican circles. He hopes his bipartisan appeal signals a resurgeance of the moderate republican and governor pataki is joining me now. Governor, it seems like the dynamics have changed for 2016 and that the way to get ahead, at least in the early stages for the nomination fight is not the retail politicking, but rather to boost your name identification nationwide so that you get in the debates. Do you find that frustrating the way this is coming together where there could be 16 individuals and not room for everybody on the debate stage . You know i dont let things frustrate me. The rules are what the rules are. Cnn just had a poll showing that i was in the top ten and wouldnt make the debates at this point. Whether thats the case or not, you have your vision you have your ideas and you go out there and you make the case and you meet people. And, by the way, michael, im a great believer in retail politics. Maybe the experts say you have to do it nationally. Im going to be out there sitting down across the table from people in new hampshire, letting them know my views. Having them ask me a question. Looking me in the eye. No pollster telling me what to say and im very comfortable with thatp. The possibility exists, though governor that donald trump could be on that stage and you might not be if you dont make the tenperson cut. If i dont, i dont. The rules are what the rules are. That debate is august 6th of 2015. The election is november of 2016. Im not so concerned about where i start out from as where i end up. Governor lets enter a lightning round. Pataki on the issues unplugged, five issues relatively brief responses. Number one, the Iranian Nuclear deal. Your thoughts . Its a bad deal. It almost guarantees not just an Iranian Nuclear weapon, but a sunni response nuclear weapon. It should not happen. We have to prevent iran from having a nuclear bomb. Transpired in the senate this past week no longer will the governor the bulk phone records, but rather the phone companies will. Governor pataki says what . I think its a bad mistake on the part of congress. When i first heard Edward Snowden talking about tapping of phones and recordings of phones of all americans, i was outraged. But if you look into it. There were no phone names, there was no phone content. It was simply a meta data of numbers. It would only be someone they had very clear proof of someone with terrorist activity and the other big problem, people say the data is still there, we can get it from the phone companies, theres nothing requiring the phone companies to keep that data. They can get rid of the data. In boston just last week where the radicalized american was looking to behead someone in the United States they were monitoring his phone calls. Id like to know who was working with him, who was plotting with him. Who might still be out there prepared to launch a violent attack against american citizens here. Issue three for governor pataki raise the minimum wage from 7. 25 to 10. 10 or theres about per hour. You know if you want to raise it from 7 to 10. 10 or whatever why not go to 20 . And the answer is when you raise the minimum wage you drive up the cost of goods and services, and you increase unemployment. Take a look at downtown baltimore. Right now, its something where america should be focused, because there is not economic opportunity. 22 to 24yearold young adults the Unemployment Rate is 47 . Raising the minimum wage doesnt help someone if they dont have a job. And there will be more who dont have jobs. Theres a better way, the better way is to have people get an earned income tax credit. Hope from the government so they dont live below the poverty wage. It has to be a program thats wellrun in a way that goes after fraud. But helping lowincome people advance up the economic ladder instead of denying them a job. Is the way to go. Issue four of five common core. I think its a bad idea. The idea of having a national dictate from washington saying what every kid in every school in every community and every state in america has to learn is simply wrong. And i know the defenders are saying oh no no we need standards. Of course we need standards, but education standards have always been set at the state level. I have confidence in the states. They say, well washington really wont dictate. The first thing they did is say were not going to dictate, but were going to have hundreds of millions of dollars and unless you have common core youre not going to get it. Its a bad idea. And finally, how would president pataki resolve the differences between federal and some state law relative to marijuana . You know i would i think theres a real problem here with the federal government has a law its not enforcing. I would allow the states to experiment. The states are the laboratories of democracy. But i would do it in a way where they were required to report statistics on crime, statistics on dependency. Statistics on Mental Illness and health consequences. Very promptly. So that we would use those handful of states who have legalized it as a laboratory where we could develop the data to see what the federal law longerterm should be. Where is the moderate pataki and what have you done with him . Those have five very conservative positions youve taken. These are positions i believe in. You know i ran for governor of new york state, as a republican conservative. Tough on crime, going to cut taxes, across the board. Going to replace welfare with with workfair and dependency with opportunities. Ive never defined myself other than as a conservative. Compared to some of the candidates out there, im sure compared to a lot of the rhetoric im going to be portrayed as this Leftwing Democrat masquerading as a republican. I am what i am michael. Some people agree, some people dont. But you know i dont have a consultant or pollster in the other room saying this is what it says its what i believe. Im George Pataki and i approve this message. Thank you, governor we appreciate you being here. Thank you, michael, great being on with you. Ill be right back with more on whats going on right behind me. Ct, im earning plenti points right now. But youre not doing anything right now. Lily . 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