Right now Thomas Eric Duncan is fighting for his life at a dallas hospital. He is of course the first person to be diagnosed with ebola in america. And since this news first broke on wednesday fear has spread. Media coverage has gone round the clock, twitter on fire. Look at this tweet from donald trump suggesting that the United States should simply bar flights from the hot zone west africa. The truth is there are some Real Security concerns at airports as well as some degree of uncertainty about what we thought we knew about ebola. But friday afternoon the white house said a ban on travel from west africa could impede response to the Ebola Outbreak. So here are two questions that i want to ask. First, is some of the fear unwarranted . And second, how do we prevent the ebola virus from coming into the country again . Joining me two experts, Gavin Mcgregor skinner, the manager for the Nonprofit Organization which teaches people how to handle dangerous diseases around the world. And a month ago he led a team in nigeria that Trained Health care workers to deal with the Ebola Outbreak. Also Elizabeth Cohen, senior medical correspondent came home a week ago from liberia where she was reporting on ebola. Gavin, im concerned about creating panic among some american who is dont have exposure, especially as were headed into flu season and they might regard every sneeze as a potential Ebola Outbreak and virus. Thats a really good question. There are two issues here. The first is if a person has recently traveled to the u. S. From a west african country they are at home, they wake up, they have a fever, they dont feel well. Do they have to make their way to the hospital or is there a 1800 number to call. At the moment there is no 1800 ebola number. The second point is we saw this in nigeria. They created an emergency numb to call in. The other point is that when that person goes to an Urgent Health care center, or a clinic or any other physician in the country f that physician or the nurse takes a proper history and then learns that person came back from west africa, puts him in a room for isolation, they go through the Public Health alert system but how do they get to a hospital thats ready to admit ebola patients. Liz, is one lesson we learned that perhaps honesty is not the best policy or not a sufficient defense in protecting ourselves. Im referring to the texas patient who allegedly reportedly mislead the liberians and may have miss led people at the hospital in the u. S. I think in the hospital it appears he was honest when he was asked, he said yes. Apparently on more than one occasion so. This is really on the hospital. He knew, the nurse who took him in knew that he had traveled recently to west africa, and i heard the Lieutenant Governor claiming the Electronic Medical record that the right screen didnt pop up at the right time. Its very disheartening to hear those kinds ever excuses. The hospital should say look, we goofed, were going to figure out how to make this right. They had a liberian man with recent travel history with a fever in their hospital. I cant imagine what excuse would explain that away. Would you, elizabeth, paint the picture for the interaction that you had leaving liberia versus gaining entrance to the United States . Yes. Two very different experiences. So when i left liberia last week they take your temperature three times, they were showing you the one in the car now. Thats the first one. And then there are two inside the airport. There is a team of nurses that looks at you. They know that people lie so they want to look at you and see if youre sick even if you say that you are not sick. And then they ask you a question about symptoms, then they ask you also about exposure. They want to know hey, were you near, were you taking care of a patient with ebola. And thats apparently where it seems that mr. Duncan lied and said he wasnt when apparently he was and thats the honor system that you were talking about before. Now, this is in contrast to what happens when you come back to the u. S. When i came back no one asked me if i had been exposed to a patient with ebola even though i told them i was a journal tlis to cover ebola. They didnt ask my two colleagues questions. They did say to me, this is kind of funny if it werent so awful, the immigration official was about to hand my passport to me and goes oh, you were in lie beer yaxt i think i got an email about that im supposed to tell you something. And then he and his colleagues conferred and he came back and said im supposed to tell you to watch your health for the next 21 days. To watch for symptoms. I said what symptoms am i supposed to watch for. He said i dont know. He couldnt tell me. Gavin, shy of a travel ban which the white house said on friday they are not inclined to institute at this point can we keep it out . Yes, we can. Again, weve got to be more vigilant at our ports of entry, airports, again elizabeths correct on my way home i was had my temperature taken and questions and interviewed twice in nigeria, once in germany. Nothing in washington, d. C. The other thing im concerned about when i came back and again all of my team from the foundation we put ourselves under 21 days ever observations, but i didnt want to have to go to the Emergency Department and sit next to the child with the broken arm if i developed a fever and body aches and had early signs ebola. Im still in my 21 days, im seven days south i do wonder what if i develop symptoms. Where am i supposed to go. I dont want to show up at my Family Doctors practice and say i went to liberia and i have a fever. Its not clear. I dont want to minimize the risks that are at stake for some here but as a lay person, lacking the expertise of you i say well, theres one known case, nobodys died in the United States as a result of ebola, im aware of the fact the two Health Care Workers who returned to the United States have apparently made a recovery and this is not exactly the sierra leone. Does it warrant that which we are placing on it in terms of attention . I think people need to understand, i know its said a million times, that this disease is not spread through the air. You get this disease when you come into direct contact with someones bodily fluid who is is infected and actively ill. People need to understand that. Thank you both so much for being here. Thank you. Joining me now to talk about the legal aspects of all of this is cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. Great to see you. There are so many facets that interest me. Lets talk for a moment about the hospital where apparently the patient presented and instead of admitting him they sent him home. What kind of exposure might they face, what exposure might he, the patient, face give whan we know . You know, the first piece of advice i would give is ignore anything that imbissels like donald trump say about this situation. The second thing is this is not a crisis at the moment. And there is no necessity for the hospital to be punished, for this man to be punished. Obviously procedures have to evolve, this is a complicated new threat in the United States. Certainly the hospital could face some sort of loss or challenge or fine regarding its accreditation. I cant imagine that the state of texas really needs to prosecute an ebola victim for making a false statement at a hospital which as far as im aware is not a crime under any circumstances to make a false statement to a hospital so. I think this needs to be dealt with as a Public Health mat are but not as a legal mat tear the extent possible. How about the airlines . Some Airlines Continue to fly into parts of west africa and some scaled back their service. If you and i were running a carrier, what considerations might we have pertaining to the ebola virus . Might we be saying to ourselves we dont want to be held accountable if we transport individual who is get sick and we incur litigation from other passengers saying it was our fault. That is certainly a risk. The appropriate thing to do, i think, for the airlines to be in close touch with our government, with the liberian government, and to assess with them the risks and benefits of continuing to provide service. As the white house and the administration has pointed out, there is a lot of Public Health benefit to keeping these planes going. People are going in to try to help this situation. If you cut off the planes it becomes more difficult to bring people in who have a chance of ameliorating the situation. Its true that the airlines have to be aware there is a risk but as Elizabeth Cohen and everyone else has said, this is not an easily Communicable Disease so the risks should not be overstated either. Great to see you. Thank you. Well take a quick break. Up next the secret service under fire for lapses in its handling of president obamas protection. Are race and gender playing a role in the screwups . Also ahead, the young man who thought it was cool to violently kick a cat in the air, he may end up cooling his heels behind bars for a long time. Does the punishment fit the crime . 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At axa, we offer advice and help you break down your retirement goals into small, manageable steps. Because when you plan for tomorrow, it helps you live for today. Can we help you take a small step . For advice, retirement, and life insurance, connect with axa. I have 40,ney do you have in your pocket right now . For advice, retirement, and life insurance, 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. What role if any are race and gender playing in the level of protection that the president is receiving from the secret service . This week on the view Whoopi Goldberg wondered if the problems are about race. I was kind of shocked. The one thing, you always see the secret service jumping in front of bullets. But somehow when like oh, theres somebody running on the lawn. You want to call somebody to get him . Its like nobody gets it. Yeah, were going to watch the whole thing. I mean, what are you waiting for . This is the president of the United States. Woopys not alone. A front page article in fridays New York Times quotes several africanamerican members of congress say their constituents are concerned that the secret service is not aggressive in protecting the first black president. Should americans be concerned. Im joined by a democrat of missouri quoted in the article and National Security reporter at bloomberg and the author after great book called raw hide down. On this issue what are you hearing from your constituents . I think the whole concept of or the suspicion that this president is not going to be cared for by the secret service or by the nation as a whole as much as previous president s has been around since the campaign. And so it has just been accelerated as the stories about breaches have occurred. Now its important to remember that suspicions or feelings, not facts. I do understand that theres a great deal of paranoia, there has always been that factor with this president. But africanamericans in particular are concerned and weve got to arrest those fears because i dont think they are based in reality. Dell, what is apparently based in reality is the fact that threats against this president have spiked as compared to other president s, and he was afforded secret service protection, i think, prior to, sooner than, any candidate who has ever sought the office previously. Thats exactly true. No president going back since the secret Service Started protecting them back in the late 1800s has gotten nearly as much protection as president obama has, or as many threats as he has. They have to respond to them. Its a very difficult balancing act the secret service has to weigh and this president gets out there. He is out in the public, he is going on walks, the bear is loose and they have to go with him. Im sure there are a lot of conversations about that when he decides the bears going to get loose to get a starbucks as he did a few months ago. I think that you know, they have stepped up the protection of him but they had these embarrassing episodes. Congressman, i worry about the tone, i worry about the rhetoric. I think the debate in this country has gotten much too hot and frankly, a lot of forks who earn their living with microphones stir that pot in a way that could send someone off the rails not playing with a full deck. No question about it. Heres the problem. Paranoia seems remarkably more logical when it is based on something that was real. And the reality is not only are there many more threats against the president , but there are many more crazy statements by individuals. People have likened the president to a monkey, somebody, sub human something from some country in western singer. And every time you do this, you increase the possibility of putting information in the head of a sick person who then goes out and tries to act on what he has heard or said. And thats what is dangerous. Frankly, thats what has caused much of the paranoia in the black community. I think people of good will all over the country are concerned. No doubt. Dell, i want to ask you whether theres a gender aspect to whats now playing itself out, meaning with regard to the level of protection that the president is receiving or not receiving in this case. And heres what brings it to my mind. Last monday i remember i got an alert on my phone, my iphone, from the New York Times, a story that reported as follows. A man who jumped the white house fence this month made it far deeper into the president s home than previously disclosed overpowering a female Service Agent inside the north port i coentrance, according to a congressional official. It wasnt in the print edition the following day. And i should be clear and tell you i think there are plenty of women who are capable of providing security to the president , and i respect anybody who is going to put themselves in harms way to take a bullet for the commander in chief. But if the stature of someone who is placed in that position renders them incapable of providing the highest level of protection, then that ought to be an issue that we have public conversation about. Youre all over this story, dell. What do you know and what thoughts might you have . I cant speak to what the New York Times edited out or published. I know an officer who tried, officer not an agent, who tried to stop mr. Omar gonzalez as he went on his tour through the white house that day did get run over. I cant say it was because the person was small or tall or big or slow. I mean t guy barreled in, he could have run over any one. The problems with this incident, with the fence jumping extend far further than that. They didnt track the guys background when they had a chance to and knew he was stalking the white house with a hatchet. A couple weeks before he did this. They didnt send the alarm was muted so the officers and agents werent sure what was going on. The door wasnt locked. There are so many other problems here before we get to that issue. This is an alpha male job. Willing to take a bullet for the president. There are some issues with that. We just lost the first female secret Service Director who was brought in to help clean house after they had the prostitution scandal with all of the male agents in 2012. She had to resign after these several incidents, these you know, these Security Breaches and lapses. So, i think thats all part of the conversation. Congressman, what thoughts do you have on the gender aspect of this either as it relates to the former now head of the United States spret service or the issue that i have raised . I think that there will be some, as in almost every situation, who will look at the story about the secret Service Agent being overpowered and saying well, women should not become secret Service Agents. To that i say bunk. There are women who are fully capable of working in that arena and have been doing so every single day and man could have been overrun. It is important i think and i want to make sure i say this, breaches dont dont equate to betrayal. And so we have had these breaches. We had a situation where a secret Service Agent was not able to stop someone. Ladies and gentlemen, look. With all of the agents ive been to the white house many times, there are agents everywhere. The system needs to be reevaluated. I guess thats whats going to happen. No doubt. There should have been backup. One of the heroes of the reagan assassination was one of the first female agents who joined the service. There has been a long history of female agents doing solid jobs over 30 years. Good point. Thank you, gentlemen. Lots more ahead. Are drunk female guests the gravest threat to fraternities . Ill talk to the man who wrote that. It got him fired. Is he blaming the women . Or could he be right . And up next, ill speak to the author after book on the scandal that will ended gary harts president ial ambitions. He dispense as few myths and argues it turned politics into fodder for tabloid journalism. It works how you want to work. With a Fidelity Investment professional. Or managing your investments on your own. Helping you find new ways to plan for retirement. And save on taxes where you can. So you can invest in the life that you want today. Tap into the full power of your fidelity greenline. Call or come in today for a free oneonone review. You raise her spirits. We tackled your shoulder pain. You make him rookie of the year. We took care of your cold symptoms. You take him on an adventure. Tylenol® has been the number 1 doctor recommended brand of pain reliever for over 20 years. But for everything we do, we know you do so much more. Tylenol®. But for you know your do, wdunlike natural teeth. More. Try new fixodent plus true feel. The smooth formula helps keep dentures in place. Its free of flavors and colorants. For a closer feeling to natural teeth. Fixodent. And forget it. A fascinating book out called all the truth is out. The week politics went tabloid written by matt bai. The gary hart affair changed reporting for good that its been tabloid ever since. He dispels myths. He writes this. Even when insiders and historians recall the hart episode now, they recall it the same way. Hart issued his challenge to reporters telling them to follow him around if they didnt believe him. And then the herald t miami herald, took him up on it. People believe hart set is hiss own trap and allowed himself to be snared in it. Matt, why does that matter . What significance is it whether hart was issuing a challenge and the miami herald pursued him . Its one of the things of many that are misremembered about this moment in time. Almost everything is wrong and in this sense it matters a lot because if gary hart was the one who changed the boundaries and the rules around private lives and political careers, then its him who invited us into the bedroom of politicians and he set the standard and the media had no choice but to follow. The idea at the time was to hell with the guy, he brought it on himself, not with infidelity but issued the challenge. He deserved what he got. Right. The reality turns out to be he did make that statement. It wasnt really a challenge, more of a throw away line. But he made it and it remained off limit, it was in a story coming out and had not yet gone public when the miami herald decided to undertake surveillance of his town house. They did not know when they undertook to rewrite the rules. You come to this moment where the Hillary Clinton of his day, presumed nominee of the Democratic Party is backed up against a brick wall in the oil stained alley behind his house, penned in by four reporters from the miami herald peppering him with questions, who is the woman in the house, did you have sex with her, have you cheated on your wife. On that ground in that alley, the boundaries between political and personal lives are rewritten forever. It did not happen because of gary harts challenge, because reporters decided that the public needed to know. One of those reporters, tom fiedler, was my guest last week. I want you to watch a snippet of what he had to say to me. Have four reporters staked out literally in an alley, yourself included, trying to catch someone for infidelity who was a president ial candidate, that was unprecedented. Thats the point that ive tried to make. What we were doing was actually verifying, what we were doing there michael, was verifying the tip that he in fact was going to spend the weekend with donna rice which we verified. You can only do that by being there, so you know, you somehow make it sound like what we were doing was out of the bounds of journalism. Very much in bounds of what journalists do. Mr. Fiedlers point was to say hey, it was all about the lie, not infidelity, it was the fact this man wanted to be commander in chief and was lying to the american people. The lie had to do with his comment that he had he would hold himself to a higher moral standard. Talking about the Reagan Administration when he said it. The lie is not about him saying he never cheated on his wife. He never said that. The question is can moral people do immoral things. Is every lie the same as every other lie. And thomas basically said he believes it is and i respect him a lot. Im not looking for a fight with tom or anybody else. What im trying to do really is to tell the story, this amazing story. And of course that, that particular issue, that lie is what leads paul taylor from the Washington Post to stand in a bar room of crowded reporters a couple days after that incident in the alley and he says in front of a national audience, senator hart, have you committed adultery. Thats what they are trying to get at. Its shocking to people because its never been asked. We have a minute left together. What i worry about are those who are on the sidelines who could be competent Public Servants who maybe have a skeleton in the closet and say im not getting involved in that. Im not putting my family through that. Could this pendulum swing back . I worry too. When gary hart got out of the race in 1987, he tore up the speech that had been given to him that was more contrite and gave an angry speech. He says in that speech well become a spectator sport in politics with the hunters and hunted. He said i fear for the country, i tremble when i think we may get the leaders redeserved. They said he wasnt taking responsibility. I think 27 years later there are not a lot of americans who would laugh that we may in fact get the leaders we deserve because of the process we created. For the record he is still with his wife of more than 50 years. The book is terrific. Thank you for being here. Drunk girls at college frat parties, Risky Business dont you think. One columnist says its a huge threat to the fraternity. That got him fired. He is here to defend himself. I sure hope so. With healthcare costs, who knows. Umm. Everyone has retirement questions. 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Im going to redefine that in a couple minutes and draft it as i think it should have appeared. But heres one quote from the article. As recriminations against fraternities mount and panicked College Administrators search for an easy out one factor doesnt seem to get sufficient analysis. Drunk female guests. The columnist who wrote that piece is with me now. Bill, that column got you fired. Why . Well, i had intended to write and did write about the two things that concern immediate which is binge drinking and pregaming, dangerous practices, i wrote the column with a male centered perspective, pretty harsh words, paternalistic, directed at young men how they should behave. Unfortunately it was misunderstood, mischaracterized and the frenzy was dragged off and pushed the conversation onto a different subject. Let me give a taste of the criticism. This is from an m. I. T. Student who wrote at the core of his argument meaning yours, appears to lie a disdain and disrespect for women. Its apparently womens fault that mi tirks is under a party ban that pregaming is a problem and that rapes are reported and prosecuted on College Campuses. Pointing fingers at women across College Campuses. Respond to that and tell me why were you singling out females in your analysis of this issue. So the title was designed to shock and attract attention. And get people to really understand what the real issue is. Which is kids on College Campuses are going to hospitals and they are dying from improper drinking. Much of this has to do with our ill advised laws regarding the drinking age. I didnt write about broader issues. This tone im sure upset a lot of people. And thats what set off the frenzy. Heres how i interpret it. As a guy who lived in a fraternity for three of my four undergraduate years. If there were men who were visibly intoxicated at our pub nights or our grain parties on a saturday night, men, they got shown the door. They got thrown out. Women who were intoxicated they were permitted to stay. We didnt take it upon ourselves to try and escort them home and i read your piece and interpreted as admonishment of that kind of behavior on the guys part. If you look at my piece it says if a female guest becomes too intoxicated put her in a cab, send her back to her dorm and send me the bill. I also said clearly, dont let drunk guests in the house whether they are male or female. The reason i singled out women is because as an adviser to my fraternity i have a great deal of influence over the men in the house, i have no influence over the women and i have witnessed hundred pound young ladies standing on line out front of the house, who know they are not going to be served once they get inside because they are under 21, chug half a bottle of vodka there on the steps, they appear sober when they arrive and within a half hour they are passed out. Let me throw you a life line. Im going to redefine the headline. I think this is what got you in trouble. Drunk demale guests. If you had to rewrite it im catch you cold how would you rewrite it today . I would probably say colleges need a better look at how to manage binge drinking and pregaming. Thats the advice i give when i have written about it before, in other articles it didnt raise such a furor. You regret the headline i take it you dont regret the content. I was shocked by the reaction to the head line. It was not reaction i was looking for. Here is my headline. Ready . Theres nothing fraternal in taking advantage of guests. Does that sum it up better . Thats a very good headline. Its a very good subject. But thats not what i was admonishing them against because the boys in the house dont take advantage. I was looking for them to protect the people there and protect themselves. But if their coed guests they are taking advantage. Thats what i was trying to play. You get final word. Go ahead. Its very difficult to discuss these complex subjects in the environment that we create on campus having political correctness. We need to look at our drinking laws in this country, we need to consider changing them so that College Students can get access to less dangerous forms of alcohol, particularly beer the way they do it in germany with the younger drinking age for beer and we need to encourage people to drink responsibly because if we tell them not to drink at all they are not going to listen to us. Bill, thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thank you. I want you to look at this young man, because this young man could be in big trouble for what hes about to do in this video that went viral. But will the punishment fit the crime . Ill have that story next. How much money do you have in your pocket right now . I have 40, 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. 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With Premium Service like one of the best ontime delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. Od. Helping the world keep promises. Trying to mislead you about the effects of proposition 46. Well heres the truth 46 will save lives. It will save money too. Im bob pack, and im fighting for prop 46 because i lost my two children to preventable medical errors and i dont want anyone else to lose theirs. The three provisions in 46 will reduce medical errors and protect patients. Save money and save lives. Yes on 46. This guy kicked a cat and could face a year behind bars. Thats the story of Andre Robinson, a new york city man, the incident was caught on video and its gone viral. I want to issue a warning. Were going to show the video so turn away if you dont want to see it or you dont want your kids to see it. The video shows robinson reaching down to the cat before violently kicking it, hurling the defenseless animal through the air while robinsons friends, they all howl with laughter. He is charged with animal cruelty. Robinson has stirred up the ire not only of the brooklyn District Attorney who says he takes the case seriously but Animal Rights activists who want the book thrown at hem. Gary is a law professor at rutgers, a renowned Animal Rights activist and once upon a time my torts professor. Gary, as i think about this would Andre Robinson be in so much trouble if he kicked a person . Probably not, michael. If he kicked somebody and didnt seriously injure the person the police probably wouldnt even have responded to a call. It wouldnt nothing would have happened. He probably would have been offer add plea deal and certainly wouldnt look at jail time. So make the argument that in this case actually i would i would say the police probably wouldnt have even charged him let alone looking at a plea deal. I dont think anybody would have taken this seriously. Look, michael. Let me be clear i think what this guy did is wrong. And you know, no doubt about it its wrong. But theres a certain amount of lynch mob and hatemongering about this guy that actually frankly makes me uncomfortable. A lot is reflecting some racism. Its much the same as vmichael vicks situation. Theres a lot of really vehement criticism that gets close to the not becomes racism. The problem, michael, is that you know, we are morally schizophrenic when it comes to animals. We kill 58 billion land animals a year, probably a trillion sea animals, that are subjectively aware, they are capable of feeling pain, they value their lives and we eat them and the best justification we have is that they taste good. Let me ask you about another aspect programs of our skits freinia. What occurs to me about this case a cat, you correct me where im wrong, is regarded as chattel, personal property, god forbid if the cat were taken to the vet and there were an incident of malpractice, the persons redress would be limited to whatever they paid for the cat and that would be it much like if it were a table lamp. So in that regard the law says this is just personal property, yet with regard to mr. Robinson, he now perhaps faces significant punishment for having kicked the personal property. It doesnt seem as if the law squares on both those levels. Do you follow my question . Animals have no value except the value that we accord to them. So yeah, i mean i think theres something very, very strange going on. Look f they put this guy in jail it makes us feel better. It makes us feel that were humane and hes inhumane. But the reality is were all Andre Robinson, those of us who are consuming animal products, and you know, eating them and wearing them and using them or whafrp action were participating in the same sort of direct harm to these animals. The argument is they locked him up, we can go back and enjoy our steak now. Exactly. Look, michael. There are going to be people watching this who are eating their animal food while they are watching the segment shaking their heads saying yes, exactly, outraged. Saying you know, and michael, you remember from law school, that it doesnt really matter whether you shoot the person or you pay somebody else to shoot the person. So the fact that Andre Robinson did it directly or michael vick did it directly and we go to the supermarket and buy our steak or eggs or dairy or whatever, it doesnt make it morally different. Its morally problematic. Weve got a problem, weve got a serious problem in terms of how we think about animal ethics. 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I wrote a book called murdered by mumia. I accepted no proceeds from the sale of the book. But the real story. Daniel faulkner was executed. He pulled over the brother of abuja mall william cook whoefs driving his car on the wrong way on a one way street. Four eye witnesses testified at trial. He ran across the street. Shot the officer in the back and then finally between the eyes. Before the final fatal shot officer faulkner himself discharged his gun hitting abuja mall in the stomach and with that bullet you could say he confirmed had identity of his executioners. When Police Arrived abuja mall was still wearing his shoulder holster. The murder weapon was registered to him and he purchased it has a local Sporting Goods store. The ballistics verified the bullets in the gun with your the sam as the ones removed from the Police Officers brain. Both men taken to a local er. Faulkner was pronounced dead. Abu was heard my multiple witnesses to say i shot the mfer and i hope he dies. Danny faulkner left behind a young widow, who for three decades has had to stand up for a torrent of lies and misinformation about the case. And for reasons that have never made sense, hes been championed the world over by Death Penalty opponents. Whenever i mention something about the case in addition to what ive already told you. I always like to point one fact. Abuja malls brother, william cook, he saw it all. His words to believe upon their arrival were i aint got nothing do with it. And hes never testified on his brothers behalf. The brother of the man convicted of killing the cop has himself never taken to the stand to tell a different story and he was there. In 1982, a multiracial jury heard the case. They convicted abuja mall and sentenced him to death. For a quarter century an endless cycle of appeals made a mockery of the judicial system. His defense team attracted a long list of the celebrity supporters. A street was renamed for him in france. Npr gave him a radio show and he wrote several books. This all after he was convicted of murdering a cop. Back at home in philadelphia he was never able to Cultivate Community support. People at home know what happened and they dont buy into the hollywood lure. In 2011 his death sentence was overturned on a technicality. He is currently serving life without parole. Abuja mall will die in jail. That is a fate for civilized than that which he offered to danny faulkner. Sadly the idea that he would be a College Commencement speaker is not unprecedented. In 1999 in washington and 20000 in ohio. I attended had second in protest with Maureen Faulkner of what was taking place. And what i recall is that the students desperately wanted attention. They loved the media spectacle their invitation generated. Which is why now i will not identify the college in new england that will on sunday. Thank you so much for joining me. Dont forget you can follow me on twitter as long as you can swell smerconish. See you next week. We have a lot to talk about this morning. But first we want to say hello. Im christy paul. Im victor blackwell. And beginning with two big stories this morning ebola patient tomas duncan is fighting for his life. He could Face Criminal Charges the Dallas CountyDistrict Attorney office is looking into his story to determine if he knowingly and intentionally exposed the public to ebola. Meanwhile the white house is trying to calm fierce of ebofea ebola in the u. S. I want to emphasis the United States is prepared to deal with this crisis. And ten people in contact with duncan are at high risk of contracting the virus. Plus Prime MinisterDavid Cameron vows to hunt down the isis terrorist who killed british a aid worker Allen Henning. The murder of Allen Henning is abhorrent, sensely, completely unforgivable. And now they threaten another. Cnns Alexander Field is live from his hometown. But but want to start with ebola. The race to keep the virus from spreading in the u. S. Is in full force at this point. No question there have been a lot of missteps in dallas. Lets bring in