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Emotion captured on camera and the location where chen yes was hidden. Why were the photos hidden from us for so long. Im wolf blitzer. Youre in the situation room. Were following major new developments in the war against isis including a rare emergency nato meeting. Turkey has called for the extraordinary session as it faces a growing threat from isis forces, disturbingly close to its border with syria. The danger is so great, the u. S. Is now working with turkey to establish an eye saysfree safe zone. Were also getting a first look at some remarkable pictures taken as the country was rocked by the 9 11 terror attacks, the images capture the shock and horror of Top Bush Administration officials in the minutes after the twin towers were struck. They also revealed the top secret location where dick cheney was whisked away. Were covering that with our correspondents and guests including james risch, a key men of the intelligence and Foreign Relations committee. But we begin with president obama, using the international spotlight to slam lawmakers and president ial candidates over remarks he calls ridiculous and sad. Sore surWhite House Correspondent is joining us for the ethiopian capital. Hes traveling with the president. Update our viewers on the latest what is going on . Reporter wolf president obama is in ethiopia about as far as you can get from the 2016 campaign trail, but he unloaded on the gop field. He saved his toughest comments for Mike Huckabee though he was hardly the president s only target. From his first real dive into the race for the white house, president obama blasted one of the republican fields top candidates Mike Huckabee who said the nuclear deal with iran threatened another holocaust. The particular comments of mr. Huckabee are i think part of just a general pattern that we have seen that would be considered ridiculous if it werent he told Breitbart News that the president was ignores hes so naive to trust the iranians and take the israelis appeared basically march them to the door of the oven. Reporter responding in a News Conference in ethiopia the president sounded disgusted, accusing huckabee desperately trying to play catchup with donald trump. Maybe it gets attention. Maybe its just an effort to push mr. Trump out of the headlines. Reporter but there was more as the president i aggressively denounced trump for his comments on john mccain. That arises out of a culture where, you know those kinds of outrageous attacks have become far too commonplace and get circulated nonstop, through the internet talk radio, news outletts. Reporter the president pated the gop action being in a race to the bottom saleming senator cochran for describing john kerrys role in the iran deal as pontius pilot pontius Pontius Pilate. Weve a sitting senator call John Kerry Pontius pilate. And also one running for president to suggest that im the leading state sponsor of terrorism. These are leaders in the Republican Party. Reporter refusing to back down huckabee backed down saying whats ridiculous and sad is president obama does not take the threats seriously. The president signaled this is hardly his last comments on the campaign. It signified he may be taking an increased role. As one official said its also about the nuclear deal with iran the president wants the debate to be on the facts. Well see if he gets that debate. Thanks jim acosta. Were also learning about new details of a safe zone. Were talking about turkey. Barbara starr is standing by what exactly would this safe zone be . Thats the question officials scrambling to explain it to figure out what exactly they can and will do with the turks after president obama and his turkish counterpart appear to have informally agreed to this in a telephone conversation. Now the hard work begins. Officials are telling you what they are looking at is the possibility thats wear planes fly out of the Southern Turkey keeping a watch over the border with syria, will be able to do a better job of keeping the area safe the border air where isis is. Because they will be there, because they will be close by theyll be able to strike isis targets, keeping civilians safe and also keeping syrian rebel forces safe. The u. S. However, doesnt want to get dragged in too deeply. They are resisting, calling it a nofly zone. Thats something the pentagon doesnt want. That would put them in the air 24 7. Theyre willing to do the air strikes, willing to keep watch. Well have to see how far this goes and if they really can come to an agreement on how to make it happen. Wolf . How much barbara, does the use of turkish bases help the u. S. Operation against isis . Well look the u. S. Had wanted those air basses for months because it will put u. S. War planes much closer to the critical isis targets in the isis strongholds in Northern Syria and northern iraq. Now there theyll be a few hundred miles away instead of coming all the way up from the persian gulf bases that they had been limited to. So this puts them overhead much quicker. They can stay aloft longer they dont have to stop to refuel. They can keep watch. They can look for isis targets. To u. S. Commanders say this is a Real Advantage in the war against isis and by the way, world. We checked the numbers, you this now a war that has cost 3 billion. Since when . In the last year. Since the air strikes began, latest pentagon tally, 3 billion. When they do sit down at nato tomorrow as you mentioned, the turks will make their case the u. S. Will be listening carefully and deciding just how far it wants to go. Thanks Barbara Starr. Lets bring in arwa damon from istanbul. Turkey called for in emergency nato meeting. Theyre walking a fine line now. Tell us whats going on . Reporter turkey is in a fairly vulnerable position at this stage. It does seem a lot of factors have come together at the same time. Turkeys policy of wanting to sit out this war with isis on the sidelines, not wanting to get actively involved not wanting to officially join the antiisis coalition have failed and ankara right now is changes its policy setting asize some of the conditions too among them for example, the insisten that Bashar Al Assad also be removed from power and that this campaign also somehow go after the regime elements. Turkey is also not just fighting isis at this stage. It has reopened the front that it has with the pkk, the Kurdistan Workers Party that it deems to be a terrorist organization. This meeting with nato is an attempt by turkey to on the one hand lay out its current strategy but on the other 457bd also ensure it has the capital, that it has the support from nato as it does move forward along these two front lines against isis and against the pkk, and additionally to all of this turkey has realized to remain relevant in the region accomplicically relevant it has to take an active and aggressive role against isis wolf. Arwa we also heard a rare speech from the syrian president , and he admitted setbacks. What did he say . Reporter he was basically saying that the Syrian Military justifying why the Syrian Military had withdrawn from some strategic key areas, and conceding that yes, his forces were stretched thing, that they were struggling when it came to logistic when it came to manpower remember they have been embroiled in this war for well over four years now. The president also was saying that he would be open to dialogue but as assad has said in the past this would not be dialogue with any terrorist Organization Since he deems all limits of the Syrian Opposition all of the rebel groups to be terrorist organizations, its difficult to see exactly whom he thinking he would be holding this dialogue with but yes, we are sees the president acknowledging that they are struggling throughout this battle that their forces are stretched thing, but at the same time one has to remember that they do still have the solid support of some very strong regional allies that have in the past and will once again come to their assistance. That is namely iran and the various different militias that it supports. Led by hezbollah from lebanon as well. Ar ka thank you very much. Lets talk about all of this and more with senator james risch of idaho. On the intelligence and foreign relation committees. Thank you for coming in. Let me quickly get your thoughts on some of these republican president ial candidates other republican senators what theyre saying about the president of the United States and the secretary of state. You were relatively mild in your criticism, saying john kerry had been bam boozeled by the iranians iranians but Mike Huckabee saying the president is leading the israelis the jews in israel to the door of the oech a reference to the holocaust. Is he going too far . I dont want to get between governor huckabee and the president , but let me say this with all the rhetoric going on you can see this is a serious, serious matter. Each side is dug in. Each side hag positions that they think are the right positions. That very frequently causes the war of words that we are seeing now, but it is serious. Im saying when governor huckabee seems to be making this comparison between the president of the United States and hitler who took the jews as we know to the doors of the oven. That seems to be going way too far. Again, like i say, when you get into these situations people will sailing things that perhaps on reflection they hadnt ratcheted that up. But hes standing by those comments. As time goes on perhaps he will have a different view of it. But again, i think the takeaway is the fact that people feel so strongly. This is a serious, serious matter. I totally agree. You can make criticism, make arguments, but you dont have to start throwing the holocaust into this dont have to say the jews in israel are about to go to the door of oven. When i train young legislators, that words are like bullets. You always want to be careful about the words that you use. You think governor huckabee had not uttered those words . Thats between Mike Huckabee and the president. I come back to the fact this is a serious issue, that really demands serious debate and serious consideration. And very quickly before we move on ted cruz calling this Iran Nuclear Deal a jihadist stimulus bill senator tom cotton compare john kerry to fontity pilate we all need to debate this civilly, but at the end of the day in congress most ly pressure voting to affirm there, but i think were using language that they want to underscore. For instance the fact that theres going to be a tremendous amount of money that goes to iran that will go directly to the various terrorist organizations. It has, we know thats going to happen and people are upset about that. When you say the secretary of state was bamboozled what do you mean by that . I think they gave away the farm before they ever sat down to the table. They should have required that iran give up the financing of terrorists and give up their ambitions to produce another weapon. That means stopping enriching. Both of them were giving away. They continued to give and give and give. The u. S. Kept moving towards irans position. Iran never moved toward the its position. Those of you who watched it thousand it was handled poorly. I know the administration strongly disagrees. No question. We have to keep the debate as civil as we possibly can. I agree. Stand by, senator. We have much more to discuss with john risch, when we come back. When you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At t has the tools and the network you need to make working as one easier than ever. Virtually anywhere. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. music imagine these kids wont have to remember passwords or obsess about security. For them, every screen is meant to be touched. And web pages are meant to be scribbled on, and shared. Theyll expect their devices to listen to them. And talk. And sing. And tell a funny joke. And as they grow, and get better at things their technology will too. 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And as you know the white house and administration has pushed back for many months but now they are talking about. Turkey is a key nato ally a significant air force, why cant turkey do that by itself . Why do they need u. S. Airpower potential Ground Forces to help . Turkey probably could do it by themselves but look there is no substitute for u. S. Airpower anywhere in the world. It is that simple. We have ways and means available to us that no other country in the world has. We are much more efficient at it. We have experience with it. Its interesting to see turkey now also changing its attitude. They have tried their best to stay out of this fray. I was in turkey once when they were shelling and they did very little to push back on it but did back them down. Now, of course things are blowing up on them. Isis is actually crossing in doing things. Interestingly enough the kurds having very effective in creating mostly a buffer zone in syria, between syria and turkey. How do you feel about the facts that the it shalls are not only going after isis forces but going after kurdish forcess well. Generally they dont go after the peshmerga. The pkk is their concern. Thats the difference between the pkk and between the special some special pusheshmerga. This is my judgment that the pkk is using the current state of afarce and turmoil to take advantage. Theyve been fairly quiet over the last 18 to 24 months but now again theyre stepping forward. Turkey doesnt like that. Theyre concerned about it and theyre now having to take a second look at whats going on on their border and how theyre going to engage us and other countries. Potentially a turning point. It is. Thats a good point. Thats true. I want your reaction to what James Combe Comey toweled me. Isis is now the major Terror Threat to the u. S. Homeland even a bigger threat to the u. S. Homeland than al qaeda. Do you agree with it . I agree with him 100 . Al qaeda has always looked for the great big iconic things they could do here to make a statement. Isis has much lower target than that. Theyre happy to take these lone wolves that go out and do these things where they will kill a handful of people. We are much more vulnerable to than we are the big iconic type of attacks. On top of that they work differently. Al qaeda was really hung up on command and control and titles and whos in charge. Isis is serb is much more spread out. Theyre not nearly as hung up on the chain of command, that sort of things. Thank you for joining us. James risch, from idaho. Investigators find new clues on the mass shooting in louisiana. Also newly released photos from the white house at the september 11th terror attacks unfolded. They finally reveal Vice President chen yes ace secret, undisclosed location. Push your enterprise and you can move the world. But to get from the old way to the new youll need the right it infrastructure. 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Turkey a key u. S. Ally has now joined the fight bombing isis targets, raiding suspect a suspected highout, it also wants an emergency nato meeting. Will it draw u. S. Forces closer to the fighting including syrias civil war . Joining us are cnns National Security analyst peter bergen and former cia official phil mud, and Joshua Walker former advisers under secretaries john kerry and Hillary Clinton. Thanks very much for coming in. This new socalled safe zone. They dont really want to call it a nofly zone but it has elements of that. I dont think it will drive us into a combat role yet. We had the president of syria this week talking about his inability to project power all across the country. Very interesting speech where he acknowledges the military is not doing that well. Now we have the turks and americans say in this northern strip, we will take care of isis for you, so until and unless the syrians decide to confront the turks and americans, i think well be okay for a moment. Josh you speaking the language. We are wondering, they have a large military why cant they get the job done themselves . They have the second Largest Military nato but the problem is the domestic politics. Theres no government in turkey. Its a caretaker government. Any kind of movement going against isis will also be about pkk, the terrorist organization. What the largest colleague is try toss do here are in different areas. Thats why turkey is asking for this emergency nato meeting, so they dont have to do it they can get other allies to do it . I think the turks do not want to be the only one going in. They have shown time and time again theyre willing to go in to protect their own interests. Turkey will step in but to have an entire safe zone in terms of the capabilities there, it needs the United States it needs nato behind it. Is that okay with you, peter . Yes. It is what it is. Turkey deferring to other Coalition Partners instead of doing it themselves . They have the second largest nato military. Yeah but turkey is going to look after its own interests. We wanted them to allow us to go in in 2003 through and they want no it wasnt in their interests. Thats how countries behave. They do whats in their own interests, now how we see them. Theyve got the capability. They have some capable, but we have a lot of experience. I was at the cia when we were doing nofly zones before we took on the saddam hussein. We have capability to do this. I think we can complement the turks in this effort, and they need us. We love that turkey is finally allowing the u. S. To use inns incirlik but theres concern about what turkey is doing to the kurds. The kurds are friends of the u. S. The kurds have taken a leading role in going after isis themselves. This gets directly to the conundrum conundrum. The kurds are the closest allies. Theyre not necessarily top priority for the turks. If anything the turk and syria look as assad as number one problem,. And the u. S. Reverses that order. Theyll be going also after the pkk, which makes our job the United States even more difficult going in. Because the kurds, theyre taking a leading role, all the various splinter groups and theres a lot of them. Theyre fighting isis big time. Yeah but so the turks principal goal is to make sure theres not an independent kurdistan. Even if the kurds are helping to destroy isis theyre going to go after and start killing kurds . I dont know about well certainly kurds. Not all kurds, ones that they regard as terrorist groups but i mean this is probably for the last century one of turkeys main goals is to prevent the emergence of a kurdish state. Thats their principal concern. That goal you know this as well as anyone phil that independent turkish state is basically kurdistan all but there, and still technically part of iraq but for all practical purposes its pretty independent. It is and theres a bit of a shell game going on here. We want the turks to go after the isis troops up there in the north, and other places in syria. The curtis just in the past the turks just in the past couple days have proven once they made that agreement with us to use air bases to go after isis theyre also going after kurdish targets. I think we would prefer that not happen but if theyre going after isis theyre also going after kurdish groups. I think its inevitable. Josh who is winning in this war against isis right now . Is isis winning . Theyre still around so in terms of winning, who still is on the battlefield, theyre there, but im cautiously optimistic. Turkey has always been on the side here right . But they focused their effort on humanitarian and the syrian refugees. They have not taken a military step until this last week so the fact theyre in the game now, whether they go after the pkk as well. They have decided to go after isis. Isis directly targeted them these killed an if turkish soldier. You see this as a turning point . See it as a game changer. It may not be the way the United States wants. Why wouldnt that be . Because the u. S. If it had its druter it would simply like to protect the kurds. Weve seen different viewpoints here. Ultimately what theyll give will ultimately shape this edge radioen. Syria is effectively runly an al qaeda, isis and the syrian regime. I think the de facto position of the american policy is the maintenance of assad in power. As uncomfortable that may be toss because the alternative are isis controlled or al qaeda controlled or some combination thereof. I interviewed Michael Fallon the British Defense secretary. We spoke about whats going on right now. I want you to listen to what he said. Were seeing isil spread its wings now right outside iraq and syria. Were seeing it appear on the shores of the mediterranean. Weve seen it in the far east in indonesia, in countries right across the globe now, various franchises that might have been part of al qaeda, now seem to be attracted towards isil. So were dealing now with an International Phenomenon a poisonous ideology with this terrorist organization combining to pose a very real threat to our democracies and our way of life. Strong words for the British Defense secretary, on the heels of the fbi director telling me that isis now represents a bigger threat to the u. S. Homeland than al qaeda. This is a whoedged piece. Youre talking about the turks being the last big card the saudis are in the egyptians are in. Isis is not making gains across iraq as it was last week. What the fbi director is concerned about, isis versus al qaeda, isis leadership isis why willology, recruitment of westerners with good papers controlling of geography, which al qaeda has very limited access to in pakistan. Every one of these cards isis can play better than al qaeda. I would agree with the fbi director this game has changed. Do you agree, josh . I do. I think the question is, will turkey take the same stance . I dont think turkey sees isis as being as big of a threat as pkk, which is totally different from the United States and the coalition. Good discussion guys. Thanks very very much. We have new detail about a drifters deadly plot to attack a louisiana theater. Plus never before seen images of the tension, the disbelief in the white house the hours after the 9 11 attacks, where was Vice President chen yess secret undisclosed location . We now know. Unbelievable toenail fungus . Seriously . Smash it with Jublia Jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. Use jublia as instructed by your doctor. Look at the footwork most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. Smash it make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. 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Its the morning of september 11th 2001. In his office the thenVice President watches footage of a World Trade Center tower burning, his foot on a desk. That could well have been after the first tower was hit, at which point everybody i think believed its order, its strange, but it could very well and most probably is some kind of tragic accident. Reporter within minutes the second tower is hit and the secret service tells the Vice President his office may not be a safe place. My agent all of a sudden materialized beside me and said sir, we have to leave now. Grabbed me and propelled me out of my office and down the hall into the underground shelter in the white house. Reporter cheney is whisked to a place called the bunker the president s Emergency Operations center. These newly declassified pictures taken by cheneys photographer as september 11th unfolded had been held in the National Archives released for the first time now as part of a freedom of information act request. Inside the bunker the body hang waj illustrates the strain with National Security adviser Condoleezza Rice seated next to him, aides are shoulder to shoulder, crowded around cheney taking and giving instructions, desperate for information. The stress was immense. It was very real. And could have been debilitating. It was so strong. But people really rallied. Reporter in those early moments, captured in these images cheney and his aides are still unsure of where the fourth hijacked plane is. There was a possibility that there could be a decapitation strike. Theyd gone after our financial centers, our military centers of power, and now beer coming after the Political Leadership as well. Reporter from inside that bunker cheney orders fighter jets to shoot down the fourth passenger plane. An operation that wouldnt be needed. Later, the president arrives and is seen consulting with cheney. Perhaps even more stunning for the first time we see cheney and his wife lynn boarding their helicopter marine two, on the white house lawn flown to what for years had been called an undisclosed location. We now know first location was camp david. The president needed to be in washington needed to be available to the public needed to be at the white house. So the decision was that the Vice President was the one who at least for those first several weeks was going to be at a remote secure location. Reporter jon hannah, cheney cheneys deputy National Security adviser, says there were several other secure locations as well. Hannah says the gravity of what happened didnt start to sink in at the white house until the next day when information was obtained on who the hijackers were how many more terrorists may still have been inside the u. S. Plotting. The realization how little they had known about who their enemy was before that horrible day. Amazing new pictures. Im glad they released those pictures. Youre getting new insight, brian, i understand into the stress that these white house staffers particularly felt immediately after but in the days weeks, months that followed. Thats right. Even now, 14 years later, were getting nuggets of information that are fascinating. Joe hagan, Deputy White House chief of staff for operations, says in the weeks after 9 11 a lot of spouses and other relatives were telling their loved ones who worked at the white house, you need to work somewhere else its too dangerous there. He said almost no one left they all rallied, they all stuck to their guns stayed at the white house, carried the nation through that horrible time. Im really glad were getting this information right now. Future historians will have it and theyll assess it and be able to report on it. Thanks very much brian, for that. 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Whos to blame for the ugly rhetoric . Trumps dominance. Our poll shows hes strengthening his status as the gop president ial frontrunner. Well take a closer look at the weak spot he has in common with Hillary Clinton. Seeking justice. New calls for a federal investigation into the arrest and jail cell death of sandra bland. Now the attorney general of the United States is speaking out. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. Im wolf blitzer. Youre in the situation room. Tonight, president obama on a trip overseas addresses an ugly conflict at home. That would be the republican president ial campaign. Hes lashing out at the nasty rhetoric in the crowded gop race after the debate over the iran deal went nuclear. The candidate Mike Huckabee using a holocaust reference claimed the president s policy would lead israel to the door of the oven. Were also monitoring a new front in the battle against isis. Nato is set to hold an machine meeting to discuss the terrorist threat to turkey a key member of the nato alliance. Thats just joined the air war against isis. Ill ask republican congressman, iraq war veteran, adam kin singer about that and more. Our correspondents and analysts standing by as we cover all the news breaking right now. First lets to to our pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr with more on the battle against isis. Natos emergency meeting tomorrow will give turkey a chance to sit down with the alliance and explain why it feels threatened by isis. Washington will be watching very carefully. It will give washington a chance to decide how deeply it wants to get involved. Turkish f16s bombing isis targets in syria for the first time. Police raiding suspected hideouts in turkey. The country ordered its forces and tanks to the syrian border. The isis flag within sight. It is a dramatic shift by turkey an important u. S. Ally taking isis on in direct combat. The introduction of turkey into this conflict in a big way is probably the most significant strategic event in the past year, perhaps. Reporter and for the first time u. S. War planes will also have access to turkish bases for their air strikes. As a military guide it provides great operational flexibility. Reporter the u. S. Will be able to fly bombing runs meaning u. S. Air strikes into Northern Syria against isis positions can take place more rapidly than from current bases hundreds of miles away in the persian gulf. And because it is closer war planes can circle overhead longer striking more targets. The u. S. And turkey now talking about an isisfree zone along the turkish syrian border. The administration however, still opposes a formal nofly zone. Its almost having the same effect as if there was one. Because only Coalition Aircraft are occupying that air space. Theyre not being challenged theyre not being shot at. Reporter but the u. S. Doesnt want to get dragged into a wider war on turkeys behalf. Kurdish groups a big issue for turkey seen as effective fighters by the u. S. Turkey wants to fight isis now that isis has attacked turkey but it also wants to fight the kurds to keep the separate movement down and it wants to depose Bashar Al Assad. Reporter syrian president Bashar Al Assad acknowledging his army has given up areas because of a shortage of troops. Translator we must define the important regions for the armed forces to hold on to. Reporter fighting isis still the u. S. Mission. The latest u. S. Intelligence estimates isis still commands 20,000 to 30,000 fighters across iraq and syria. And how much is all of this costing the american taxpayer . The latest pentagon estimate over 3 billion since the air strikes began. Barbara starr at the pentagon thanks very much. Now to president obama, blasting what he calls outrageous attacks by republican president ial candidates. Hes calling out donald trump, Mike Huckabee by name the president specifically responding to huckabys condemnation of the Iran Nuclear Deal using a stunning reference to the holocaust. Listen to what governor huckaby said. This president s Foreign Policy is the most reckless in american history. Hes so naive, he would trust the iranians and he would take the israelis and basically march them to the door of the oven. Mike huckabee right now, according to him and his aides, is standing by that comment tonight. Lets get some more on the president s reaction as he prepares to wrap up his visit to africa. Our senior White House Correspondent jim acosta is in the capital of ethiopia. Tell our viewers what the president said because hes responding directly forcefully hes clearly angry, and hes mentioning names. Reporter thats right, wolf. The president s gloves are off for the first time president obama jumped right into the 2016 race for the white house, throwing some big punches at former arkansas governor Mike Huckabee at a News Conference in ethiopia ethiopia the president blasting huckaby who said the nuclear deal with iran threatened another holocaust as you said by marching israelis to the oven. It was all but official white house policy to stay out of the campaign. But im told as soon as the president learned of huckabys comments he was itching to respond. Still, the president went further, hitting donald trump as well as senator tom cotton who labeled secretary of state john kerry as a Pontius Pilate on iran and ted cruz who said the Nuclear Agreement with iran would make the white house a supporter of terrorism. Heres more of what the president had to say. The particular comments of mr. Huckabee are i think part of just a general pattern that weve seen that is would be considered ridiculous if it werent so sad. Weve had a sitting senator call John Kerry Pontius pilate. Weve had a sitting senator who also happens to be running for president suggest that im the leading state sponsor of terrorism. These are leaders in the Republican Party. So when you get rhetoric like this, maybe it gets attention and maybe this is just a measure to push mr. Trump out of the headlines. But its not the kind of leadership that is needed for america right now. Now, tonight huckaby is not only standing by his remarks, he is doubling down on them. That is just fine with the white house. As one official put it the president wants this debate to be on the facts. The white house clearly leaves huckabys remarks help the president s case driving moderates in his direction. The president s comments in ethiopia today signal a new phase in this upcoming campaign. He is going to sound a lot like the surrogate in chief for democrats in the coming months. Mincing no words indeed. Jim acosta in ethiopia. Joining us republican congressman adam kin singer war veteran, a pilot, he flew missions in iraq and afghanistan. I assume you still fly planes once in a while. I do its great. Air force reserve . I am. What kind of jet . Rc26 reconnaissance plane out of madison, wisconsin. Still active. Yeah. What do you think of what Mike Huckabee said comparing what the United States what the president of the United States is doing basically to the holocaust . Look i dont think i would have used those terms at all. I think huckabys right to be very concerned with what this is going to do to israel. What its going to do to the middle east, i. E. Basically now everybody has a right to 5,000 centrifuges, in essence. But no i would never have used those terms. Im surprised that he doubled down on it. Its an interesting election cycle. Its going to get heated. End of the day i think we can have mature grownup discussion about this. I think we can, in a calm way, talk about why this is a very bad deal for the middle east. You could make a strong argument against the deal as you do. I assume you oppose the deal . I do. You dont have to start calling the president of the United States someone whos leading the jews of israel to the door of the oven. Im not israeli or jewish and from what i understand that would have as somebody whos not that sees the implication of what that means, i could only imagine if you are jewish how intense those words i guess impact you. So i think it was probably a very unfortunate thing. Strong condemnations from the Antidefamation League today as well as the simon weesvees sen that will center. They dont like the iranian deal at the same time they think huckaby went too far. I think this is exactly what the president wants, not that he wanted them to say this but this is distracting from the discussion about it. When you use harsh terms like the door to the ovens, instead of having a calm discussion about this it derails this. What do you think of the strong words of senator cruz senator cottonthers are saying, saying the president s the leading state sponsor of terrorism that kind of stuff . Those are pretty harsh as well. Yeah i agree. Again, one of my big concerns with how politics has been lately is its gotten so personal. You cant disagree with somebodys political this is on the left too. The things that i hear about republicans sometimes from the left are so bad. I think we can have grownup conversations, talk about our disagreements, talk about our disapprovals. End of the day have a beer together shake hands, still be friends. Youre definitely committed to voting against this deal . I am. At the end of the day, every country, whether youre saudi arabia United Arab Emirates turkey, or peru can have 5,000 centrifuges. The other concern is we give iran the right to have ir8 centrifuges which are 17 times more effective than the ones they have now, as well as going into having the ability for intercontinental negligent Ballistic Missiles raising the arms embargo. While eight years seems far away if you think about it its eight years ago, 2008 doesnt seem that far away from now. The criticism of the nuclear deal, experts arguing back and forth. The other major criticism is the 100 billion or so that the iranians are going to get in unfrozen assets. Its their money but the international communitys going to unfreeze it. Theyre going to have a lot of extra money to spend. Thats right. I mean and what i thinks the most interesting statement of this is the administration likes to say they have such economic needs, and they have to build their infrastructure that all that moneys going to be invested. That sounds great except for the fact that they dont have any money today and theyre still investing what little money they have in propping up Bashar Al Assad, hezbollah, not only in yemen, and being involved in iraq. At the end of the day, this money, we know this is going to be spent destabilizing or remaking the middle east in irans image. Have you endorsed any of these republicantial candidates . Im a jeb bush guy. We have a lot of great candidates in the race. I think jebs the guy who says, im going to run even in the primary as the president who can win a general election. I think hes a very honest person. When you look at the conservative governing that he did in florida, i think people are going to be very impressed. You think he can beat Hillary Clinton, assuming shes the democratic nominee . I want whoever can beat Hillary Clinton and i think jebs going to be the best. He has the best chance . I think so. Dont let donald trump hear what you have to say. 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Just another day at norfolk southern. Were back with republican congressman, the war veteran adam kinzinger, nato prepares to hold an emergency meeting about the expanding threat from isis. Congressman, you served in turkey. You were based at that air base which the turks are going to allow the u. S. To use to launch air strikes against isis targets in syria. You must be pretty happy that finally turkey has come around and said to a fellow nato ally line the United States other owe Litigation Partners you can use turkish ire bases. Its about time. Turkey has a very complicated relationship in the middle east. I think they were holding off on giving this because they wanted us to engage Bashar Al Assad which i think we should. Insalick air base is huge infrastructure underutilized. I was based there, i was there by went into iraq eight months ago, and its a perfect platform for what we need to do. Fighter jets instead of having maybe an hour and a half two hours of time without refueling, theyll be able to light area lot more because theyre not in transition so much. Were going to have more combat power present even with the same amount of planes. You think this potentially is a significant game changer . Its a significant impact. Game changer is a tough word. I think its going to be hard to defeat isis without stepping up special operations without the Iraqi Military being in a position to take back iraq. I dont see a plan from this administration in syria. Syria, ifyou think about it is as big and complicated as iraq but we dont have an indigenous force on the ground. Our attempts to train the moderate Free Syrian Army we find out weve only trained 60 of them because were making them sign on the dotted line not to fight their biggest enemy, Bashar Al Assad. Any time we bomb members of isis and kill these folks its definitely a win for freedom and peaceloving people. The u. S. Welcomes turkeys decision to allow turkish air bases to be used by the u. S. To launch strikes. The u. S. Is obviously happy. The turkish air power is being used against air targets in seer accurate. Not necessarily happy launching air strikes against kurdish positions, when in syria or iraq. We find out theyre attacking pkk, a leftwing kurdish organization thats been working well against isis. Theyre on the american sponsor of terrorism list but theres a move in congress to get them off that list because we dont think they reach up to that level rather are. Theres been a complicated relationship with the kurd in the middle east. This is why i think people that are quick to say, lets just divide iraq up into three pieces and lets just create a kurdistan, i dont know if they gather and grasp the real divisions and the real intensity of what would happen if that comes about. So yes, i think we obviously ought to be really holding the turks back from reengaging. Theres been a peace accord since 2013. Lets focus on the real enemy right now, its isis. When we defeat isis we can get back to the talks. When we say the syrian president , Bashar Al Assad, and his regime in damascus remains in power, is it because of the loyal forces that he has or because of the outside support he gets say from iran or from hezbollah in lebanon . I think hezbollah and i think frankly iran with all their investments, have kept them in power. Heres whats interesting. He openly says were losing territory. I think its obvious that hes going to lose control. The question is does he lose control and does he get out of power based on western terms or based on the fact that isis has risen up and thrown him out . Now, theres always this belief theres some people that believe its a binary choice between supporting isis or supporting assad. I argue that Bashar Al Assad not only created isis creates a syria where isis thrives and grows. I think there has to be a political solution to Bashar Al Assad assad. End of the day hes going to be gone, hell never gain control of syria again, at least all of syria. And i think we have to really focus on him. Hes a part of the Iran Nuclear Deal. All the money iran is now going to get, the froedsn assets unfrozen and presumably iran could give some of that money, theres no restrictions iran could give some of that money or provide military equipment to help Bashar Al Assads regime. And iran will do that. Keep in mind al nusra, isis you have people who hate Bashar Al Assad so much he killed their father their family their children 300,000 people have been killed over these past few years. In syria. Theyre all syrians. Thats right. In war its innocents who die. 300,000, the vast majority of innocents, men, women and children. Many children who want to be teachers firemen, problem, thatolicemen have their dreams cut short. Barbara starr says in the last year u. S. Taxpayers have shelled out 3 billion in this war against isis. Its going to continue to go up. I will say this. Its money well spent. Because i think attacking them there keeps them from coming here. But i think we have to have a better strategy. Again, dealing with mainly the area where isis incubates from or explodes from which is syria. We dont have that plan right now. I think were going to continue to see fires come out of that syria volcano and light elsewhere in the middle east. Adam kinzinger, thanks for joining us. Just ahead, will the u. S. Justice department investigate the arrest and jail cell death of sandra bland . Were going to tell you what were learning as the attorney general of the u. S. Is now speaking out. Youll also find out what our exclusive new poll reveals about Donald Trumps support and his vulnerabilities. It takes a lot of work. To run this business. But i really love it. Im on the move all day long. And sometimes, i just dont eat the way i should. 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Governments chief Law Enforcement officer speaking out about Sandra Blands death in a texas jail cell. And an aggressive arrest during a routine traffic stop. The attorney general of the u. S. Says blands case drives home the need for Better Police training and the fear and distrust many africanamericans live with every day. I think that it highlights the concern of many in the black community that a routine stop for many of our the members of the black community is not handled with the same professionalism and courtesy that other people may get from the police. Theres no word from lynch on whether shell order a federal investigation into blands arrest and death. The senates number two democrat dick durbin has requested that. Lets bring in evan perez. What are you hearing about a possible federal investigation . Wolf, theyre not this yet. We know the fbi in houston has been monitoring the local investigation and they say that if it produces anything that implicates a federal crime, perhaps a civil rights violation of any kind then they will formally open an inquiry. But what the attorney general just said its a little surprising she went there, but it is it does not really go to the federal issue which has to do with civil rights. Its not necessarily a federal crime if someone is treated without courtesy during a police stop. So thats the issue here. The federal law is much more limited and its not even clear whether there will be a state law violation, depending on wa exactly happened behind in that jail cell. Tough decisions ahead. Thanks very much evan for that. Lets talk more about the sandra bland case with our cnn anchor don lemon. Our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. Legal analyst sunny hostin. Law Enforcement Analyst tom fuentes. Sunny, you heard evans report senator dick durbin asking the Justice Department to get involved your analysis . I suspect that its something that they may get involved in. I think attorney general lynch was very eloquent in addressing and noting a lot of the issues that the Africanamerican Community has had and continues to have. Its sort of that phenomenon that weve all talked about, driving while black. Its a real concern, especially for mothers like myself who have black and brown children. You fear that a traffic stop routine stop will result in their death, will result in their detainment. And now we see that a woman is also something you dont usually hear about, black women also being stopped and treated this way by Law Enforcement. And so i suspect that perhaps the Justice Department given the attorney generals comments may indeed look at this. Sunny quickly, if she would have initially done what the Police Officer said, not got into an argument with him, put out her cigarette, would this have occurred . You know i think it would have occurred. Im actually tired of people mentioning that. Saying if you comply you dont die. Well guess what. I think a lot of the orders that he gave were unlawful. I also think, wolf and you know this that he was the professional in that situation. Our Law Enforcement officers are supposed to be treating civilians courteously. Theyre supposed to be treating them with professionalism. And when you get stopped, your Constitutional Rights dont fly out of the car window during the stop. And so the suggestion somehow that she is the reason why she was detained she is the reason why she was unlawfully arrested she is the reason why she ended up in jail i take issue with that. I reject that. Don, you have a different perspective . I dont have a different perspective about sandra bland. Thats the thing people get conflated. If you have a conversation about what should happen when youre stopped by Police People conflate it as saying sandra bland was responsible for her own unlawful arrest. Thats not what weve been saying thats not what you have been saying wolf. What you said even talking to you last week the question was, how should people conduct themselves when theyre stopped . Doesnt mean their Constitutional Rights stop. But in this environment, as we have said if everything were saying is true if the attorney general weighing in on it saying that people feel like theyre occupied by police there are certain things that you must do in this environment. Doesnt mean that its right. In order to live to fight another day. And that is separate from what happened to sandra bland. Thats just in general. I just reread i forgot the authors name a black mans guide to police stops. Every single thing it says sunny talks about it with her son, sunny sometimes conflats the sandra bland thing with what you should do when youre stopped and those are two different things. But its also comply. This is where i think the black lives movement is so important. Not to take away time from your other guests. Black lives matters should be doing and maybe theyre doing is to gather together a group of attorneys and prosecutors, like sunny or whomever who can look at Police Stops Among people in the community and then, once those stops are done and you look at all the evidence you take it to a black lives matters attorney who can help you get out of it after you are still alive, after a traffic stop once youve complied and you figure out what the officer did wrong and that officer can be prosecuted or taken care of if hes still alive in the process. Let me get tom fuentes in this conversation. Youre a former fbi assistant director also a former street cop. I think in this situation, were making a lot of driving while black or smoking while black. But i think that what we dont know for sure is that this would have been the same outcome even with a white driver male or female that this may have been something that this officer took an affront to even being questioned when he said put out the cigarette. And she didnt. She gave him reasons why she didnt have to. And im not sure that what happened after that only happened because shes a black driver. Black woman. Jeffrey toobin last year in the last year alone, the Justice Department has investigated a handful of policeinvolved incidents. Youre familiar with all of them. In ferguson the eric garner case demere rices death in cleveland. Is this now the new normal . It should be. Everybodys making this thing a lot more complicated than it really is. This was appalling behavior by this Police Officer. This cries out for a federal investigation. I dont know why everyone is so cautious about that. I mean the whole idea that there should be some guide book for africanamericans stopped by the police so that they dont get killed well yes, i guess thats true. But how about we train Police Officers so they dont treat black people that way in the first place . I mean i think thats the real problem here. And i just think you know we dont have to this country is full of terrific Police Officers. And we dont need to make excuses for those that behave horribly like this Police Officer so basically, jeffrey, you used to be a u. S. Attorney assistant u. S. Attorney, worked as a federal prosecutor. You would want to see a formal u. S. Justin Department Civil rights investigation into what happened . Absolutely. Now, i dont know if charges would result but there is certainly enough evidence wails based on that videotape and the surrounding circumstances to say nothing of Sandra Blands death, that it is something that the Justice Department should look into. Should they prosecute someone . Should someone be convicted . I dont know. But certainly theres enough here for an investigation. And you agree, right, sunny . Well said my colleague, jeff toobin. Absolutely absolutely. At the very least. I have been trying to be very careful, jeff as you know. I was shocked, sunny. I was like, why is sunny dancing . I thought you were going to come out of the gate and say, yes, there should be a federal investigation. I was trying to be careful because i dont want to sort of always cry wolf. But i think we have enough evidence in front of us that at the very least there should be this federal investigation. And also if there arent criminal charges necessarily against this particular officer, what oftentimes happens when the Justice Department gets involved is that you see a complete sort of rehab of the Police Department in question. We know this same county jail there was a 2012 suicide in this same jail. You know so at the very least, i think that would be a positive result from any sort of Justice Department investigation. I want to get tom fuentes reaction. If there is if Loretta Lynch orders a Justice Department investigation, the fbi would be the lead vest dwar is that right . Thats correct. Fbi would investigate it for violation of civil rights. Do you know the fbi, do they want to do this . I dont know if they want to. They want justice and theyll look at and do what theyre told if thats what theyre assigned to do. You have two separate issues here. You have what that officer did with her on the street and the whole situation of the arrest thats one issue. What happened in the jail is separate. They werent continuous actions. So its a separate. If she was murdered thats a separate investigation. Whether its suicide or murder. Right now the autopsy says it was suicide. Don, go ahead. Yeah, listen, i think what jeffrey said is right. Its sad that we have to have a guide book but unfortunately, those are the times that we live in. But i think that out of all of this can come even the larger community, even the white community, whomever could benefit from this. Because what Loretta Lynch went on to say is i do think this has been an important part of debate in miss blands death, discussion about the importance of training and deescalating incidents. That not only helps africanamericans, that helps everyone who comes in contact with police. All right, guys. Excellent discussion thank you very much. This Important Note to our viewers, don will be back much more at 10 00 p. M. 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Weighing in from his trip to africa the president accused other republicans of ramping up their rhetoric to keep up with the brash billionaire. When you get rhetoric like this maybe it gets attention and maybe this is just an effort to push mr. Trump out of the headlines. But its not the kind of leadership that is needed for america right now. Reporter that criticism aimed squarely at another gop hopeful, Mike Huckabee who referenced the holocaust in this controversial comment about the president s nuclear deal with iran. Hes so naive he would trust the iranians and he would take the israelis and basically march them to the door of the oven. Reporter huckabees remarks sparked a sharp rebuke from democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton. Comments like these are offensive and they have no place in our political dialogue. Reporter as well as president obama. You know the particular comments of mr. Huckabee are i think part of just a general pattern that weve seen that would be considered ridiculous if it werent so sad. Reporter fellow republican jeb bush also urged the former arkansas governor to tone it down. The use of that kind of language is just wrong. This is not the way were going to win elections. Thats not how were going to solve problems. Reporter late today, huckabee remained defiant. I will not apologize and i will not recant. The word holocaust was invoked by the iranian government. They used that very word. Reporter with so many gop candidates scrambling to make it on the stage for the first Republican Debate in ten days dont expect trump or huckabee to heed those warnings to tone it down any time soon. The rhetoric will probably even escalate. Good report. Lets bring in david chel on cnn political director and cnn political analyst ron brownstein. Sarah, dont go too far away. Talk about whats going on right now. Does it help these republicans use that kind of rhetoric pretty tough language like that very tough language . I think in the long run the answer is no. And really its a short run, long run kind of tradeoff theyre facing. In a field of 16 candidates to begin with action its hard to get attention, and since donald trump is coming to the race it becomes harder to get attention. So there is an incentive, kind of a pull, a tectonic pull on candidates to ratchet up the rhetoric to compete with him. Particularly those candidates who are also kind of fishing in the same waters for the most alienated, idealogically mobilized voters. That would be people like Mike Huckabee ted cruz to some extent rick santorum. The problem is and trump faces the biggest version of this problem, even as you deepen connection to those voters you may be raising more doubts in the electorate. You could be strengthening your floor and tightening down the ceiling. Deepening your support but narrowing your support. All of them have to be careful whether they are creating an image that a broader spectrum of the party will not view as viable as a the general election nears. Are you saying theyre sort of competing with donald trump for attention . Yeah i think particularly in that lane of the party. You think about it the republican race i think pretty clearly divides into candidates who are looking for kind of the more establishment mainstream support, Jeb Bush John kasich, Chris Christie marco rubio. Those aiming for the same populist disaffected voters who are kind of gravitating toward trump. Ted cruz rick santorum, Mike Huckabee huckabee ben carson scott walker. The problem is its hard to outtrump trump. If youre treating for voters attracted to someone who is saying the most unpc things its hard to go past donald trump. Youve got to question whether it makes sense to even attempt to do that as a candidate. David, the last time Mike Huckabee was running for president , you and i remember in 20072008, he sounded when it came to iran a bit more diplomatic. I want to play a little clip. This is back in 2007. Another way to contain iran is through diplomacy. While never taking the military option off the table. We have to be as diplomatically aggressive as we have been militarily aggressive since 9 11. What he says diplomacys the way to go without taking the military option off the table thats what the president of the United States says as well. Right. But now he has a specific deal to critique. And youre right, back then the president of the United States was george w. Bush so he was navigating different political waters back then. A warweary country after iraq had gone south. But i do think that you should now his critique is to a specific deal. I think a lot of these republican candidates nobody wants to sort of fit into one of the two boxes that barack obama wants to paint them in. Theyre either for his deal or theyre for war with iran. I think Mike Huckabee would say he would be for a stronger, better deal. They all say theres a better deal for in the works. How they get there a subject for debate. By making this analogy to the holocaust these going too far . I think one of the grand rules of politics when is you move to a holocaust metaphor youve already lost. Youre going to lose the debate in the public square. I think youre absolutely right on that point. When donald trump, sarah says that hes not just donald trump, what hes doing isnt just a Political Campaign its now become a movement. Does he have a point this. I think he absolutely has a point, otherwise you wouldnt see hip at these numbers in the polls. He is speaking to a set of the Republican Party that is disgruntled, disenfranchised, they see donald trump as their spokesman for that right now, whether talking about the deal with iran or whether talking about Hillary Clinton and her email and the benghazi scandal. They look at the people they sent to washington and they say, you guys are constantly complaining about this stuff and we havent seen you do anything about it. They feel donald trump might actually be the guy to do something. You agree, ron . Yes, i do but up to a point. I think the problem donald trump faces is that he is he has touched a nerve with a segment of the Republican Party as sarah and david have both indicated. But that segment is not big enough to win the nomination by itself. And the question is whether the things that he is doing to solidify his hold on those voters ultimately is creating too many hurdles for him with the broader electric trait. The issue with donald trump, does he want to be the leader of a loud segment or does he want to be a serious contender for the nomination . He may have already passed the point where he can go back and try to appeal to a broad segment to truly compete for the nomination. Ultimately i think as he goes forward he faces this choice over and again. He can either be as vociferous as it takes to keep this segment riled up or he can try to kind of convince a broader swath of the party that he is a viable political leader. I think rob makes a good point. In a field of 16 or 17 candidates that slice of the party hes appealing to may be enough not to win the nomination at the end of the day but may be enough to keep him as a major force in this race. And that really is the im sorry. When you talk to voters at some of these events we dont expect donald trump to be the nominee but they do expect him to send a signal to the rest of the party this is what we care about. Our new poll has donald trump nationally among republicans nationwide still number one despite the comments that he made about john mccain and his experience as a p. O. W. Our poll was taken after those comments the entire poll. It wasnt some of it before some during some after. This was done completely afterwards right . Yes, absolutely. I wanted to make sure. Stand by. Lots more to discuss on the race for the white house. New information on the Hillary Clinton campaign and a whole lot more. Stay with us. Its a golden opportunity to discover the leadingedge connectivity of the lexus es. With Available Technology to help you find just what youre looking for. Come in to the lexus golden opportunity sales event where youll find some of the best offers of the year on our most luxurious models. For a limited time. This is the pursuit of perfection. When youre not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about. 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So heres the question. Should democrats be worried about that . The short answer is yes. By the way, on trump, the more immediate problem is his unfavorables are over 40 , which is much higher than any of the other republican candidates which goes to the point i was saying before about the question whether he is deepening his support among those attracted to him at the risk of narrowing his potential growth in the party. Theres no question the events of the past six months and the various ethical controversies that have swirled around Hillary Clinton have taken a to on her favorability on the sense of her honesty and integrity and these are real issues. Given the underlying polarization of the electorate probably the ceiling is 53 . Given the polarization about feelings about the clintons thats probably reinforcing it. Even within that constrained universe i think democrats do have to be concerned and, more to the point, she has to figure out a way to kind of reengage with the public that moves back towards some of the things people may like more about her than what has been in the headlines for the last six months. David, the Vice President joe biden has to make a major decision over the next few weeks. He doesnt have a lot of time early august midaugust maybe the end of august the first democratic debate is coming up in the fall some time. He has to decide does he throw his hat into the ring . Does he not . He sees Hillary Clintons unfavorable numbers, some of the problems she has with her email her server all that kind of stuff. He has to weigh this very very carefully. Hes made this decision twice before. This is not unfamiliar terrain to him but, listen hes done nothing so far in the early stage to put an organization together or keep people on hold. There are some grassroots organizations that are trying to draft him into the race. Our sources tell us really the first step here is for joe biden in the wake of the tragic loss of his son beau to gather the family and have that real big, honest discussion inside his closest quarters. And that hasnt yet happened yet. So until that happens, i think that has to be the first stage for Vice President biden before he moves forward with the Decision Making process. Youve heard the stories beau biden before his death told his dad, id like you to run. His other son, hunter has said supposedly id like you to run. Those are significant impacts on a dad. Clearly his family, if this is something he wants to do his family is there for him to do it and beau was there before he passed. What are you hearing about that . This could be a big problem for republicans if he does decide to run. As d making progress like you said, he does have to make a decision soon. He trails Hillary Clinton very far. I think thats going to be a reality until he makes that decision. Hillary clinton is at 56 with democrats in our cnn poll. Joe biden is at 15 . You dont have all that long to sit around and make this decision. I think america likes joe biden. Quickly, ron, hes not even a candidate right now. Whats your gut telling you . I think its really hard for someone to beat Hillary Clinton from the center of the party like joe biden would be. If theres any opening its more from a candidate reflecting more of the ideological vanguard. I think its hard to make the argument joe biden would be a stronger general election candidate than Hillary Clinton absent further revelations on the issues shes dealing with, and i think its hard to see it going very far without that. With that who knows . Who knows. Thats why we love politics. Thanks very much for that excellent discussion. Remember you can always follow us on twitter. Please tweet me wolfblitzer. Erin burnett out front starts right now. 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