good evening. our big story tonight. america and guns. michael moore. in the ten years since he made the oscar-winning "bowling for columbine" he's never once given an interview in the wake a mass shooting. that changes tonight. michael moore is ready to talk after the aurora tragedy. tonight, he answers your questions. is gun control the answer? how do we protect america's rights? does his country have a culture of violence? the important conversation for america. joining me now exclusively for the hour is michael moore. michael, thank you for joining me. i've noticed that you have barely said a word since what happeneded in co ed iin colorad. >> first thing i want to say is i'm loathe to be here frankly. as you pointed out, i've never gone on tv after any of these shootings since i made "bowling for columbine." i'm not a pundit. i'm not an analyst. i don't want to participate in the existing debate that's going on about whether or not you should be able to have as many guns as you want to have or that guns are even the problem. i think both conservatives and liberals are half right, each of them, on this issue. the conservatives when they say guns don't kill people, as you said, i would alter that to guns don't kill people, americans kill people. we do this more than anybody else. of the 23 richest countries, over 80% of all gun murders happen in one country, ours. the left, liberal, believe if we just have more gun control laws, all the problems are going to go away. well, i don't think so. i thinkreduced. there's no question about that. if that individual in aurora had not had so many magazines, not so many people would have been shot. less guns will mean less murders. but it won't really get rid of the larger problem because we, as a culture, live in a very different -- this is really the discussion i wish, piers, people would have. what is it about us as americans? we're not any better or worse than you brits. or the japanese. or the canadians or whatever. yet in japan, less than seven gun murders every year. in canada, about 200. in the uk, around 40 a year. in a nation of i don't know what do you have 70 million people. this is -- why here? why us? you can't say it's because of the violent movies and the violent video games. i got to tell you, those canadian kids right across the river from detroit, they're watching the same violent movies and playing the same violent video games. in that city across from detroit, most years they have one, maybe zero, murders a year, in windsor, ontario. >> it's interesting, michael. you mentioned japan there. japan is a fascinating piece. which appeared today in "the atlantic." by a guy called max fisher. he explains why japan has almost no gun related homicides at all. i mean at all. in 2008, when america had 12,000 firearm-related homicides, japan had 11. that was a big year. in 2006, it had 2. then he gets into the really interesting bit. which is why there's a cultural difference i think between somewhere like japan and america. he says america's gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the right of the people to keep and bear arms and narrows it down from there. japanese law starts with the 1958 act which states that no person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords. in other words, it begins from a completely opposite genesis. in japan, no guns, no gun crime. >> those laws, that constitut n constitution, first of all, in the ja pan, we wrote it, we wroe it after world war ii. we didn't write that into the japanese constitution. we didn't want to make sure all the japanese were armed. we have this violent past. the wild west. we just have all these guns around forever. well, mm, japan, violent past. yeah. germany. violent past maybe? maybe a history of maybe 1,000, 2,000 years from the huns to the nazis. very violent people. and yet they don't kill each other now. they don't shoot each other with guns. why is that? that's the discussion i want to have. what is it about us that wants to do this? i know you think if we just got rid of all the guns, we would just get rid of all the gun murders. i don't think anybody really thinks that can happen in this country. certainly strong gun control laws will reduce the number. australia. 1996. had a mass murder. as most countries do have their own mass murder. norway, last summer. scotland. the schoolyard. number of years ago. so most country do get this because there are insane people everywhere in the world and they've existed since cain killed abel. okay. so this not a new thing. individual on friday, early friday morning in aurora, probably just as lunatic as everybody else who's done this. the difference is, as you point out, is that he was able to get guns and ammo as if he were getting a car wash. as if he were getting bubble gum. as if he were -- it was nothing. and that is a huge, huge problem. but i think that there's something very unique about us. because it's not that, again, these countries are any better than us. the british empire i think you guys ruled the world at the barrel a gun for a couple hundred years. there's nothing new about people who have a violent culture doing bad things. so why is it your countries with these pasts, that have these violent cultures, and you're watching the same violent movies, and actually you have more broken homes. because you have a higher divorce rate in great britain than you have here. you have more people that go to church here and believe in god than any other western country. so, really, what's the real reason? what's the real reason that we want to have a quarter billion guns in our homes? what are we afraid of? >> here's what i see just a fundamental flaw in the american gun culture. apparently since friday there's been a 41% rise in people in colorado seeking registration to own a gun. a firearm. and they're doing so quite obviously because they have been persuaded by the pro-gun lobby debate in the last few days. been very dominant, as it always is. that they would be safer if they had had a firearm. if they were in that movie theater at the time. if they'd all been armed this character wouldn't be able to carry out what he did. it really -- it angers me that people are reacting like this. because the answer is simply not to flood the whole of america with more guns. this character was not only armed to the teeth, he was protected to the teeth. he had very carefully planned out full body armor, helmets, everything. he wasn't going to get taken down. >> and that same spike, by the way, occurred when president obama became president. a huge run on -- after the election, people buying guns. what are they afraid of? while the people in colorado i guess they're afraid -- afraid to go to the movies. now everybody's going to bring a gun to the movies? i mean, i just really want to say to people, you're not living in a movie. this tragedy may have happened in a movie theater but you're not in a movie when you're in a movie theater. let's say you have a gun on you and a guy is there. he lets off a canister. remember, he's got a semiautomatic gun so he's popping people very quickly every second. you're going to somehow get your gun out and you're back in row 15 and you're somehow going to find that guy in the gas and shoot him and take him down. i mean, really. we have to get real here. come back to reality. that is not the problem. that is not how we're going to solve the issue. the issue of last week is that we have serious mental health problems with people in this country. we're in the 21st century. we're not in the fifth century bc. we should be able by now to provide the necessary free help to people who are troubled. >> right. i want to company back ae back you about the right to bear arms. about the crucial passages in the second amendment which so many americans use as their absolute justification for owning guns. ♪ [ female announcer ] pop in a whole new kind of clean. with new tide pods. just one removes more stains than the 6 next leading pacs combined pop in. stand out. than the 6 next leading pacs combined this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. you know what's exciting? 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"bowling for columbine." i just had a feeling this was, you know -- we were having these occasional mass killings then. now we have them pretty much on average every month. somebody goes into the office or a school or a neighborhood or whatever and a bunch of people are killed. so this is my -- i made a film that -- the beginning of the iraq war. weapons of mass destruction. so i'm used to my films having little effect on making the world a better place. i hope -- i think they educate a lot of people and that. but i don't hold the kind of political power i would need to actually make things better. i want to say this about the thing about littleton. you said 17 miles away. i spent a lot of time out there in littleton, aurora, denver, while i was making the movie and since i made the movie. you know, there's another whole thing to discuss about this is probably going to take another show. people forget that -- there was another gun massacre in aurora. where i think four or so people were shot and killed at a chuck e. cheese. guy went in there and just senselessly killed these people. of course, every killing is senseless. that hasn't really been brought up. this isn't just columbine. it's not just last friday. even in aurora itself, it happened. so sadly i think it's something that's going to continue because -- >> what came through, michael? what came through strongly from the movie and what has come through strongly from all the reaction i've seen in the last few days is this adherence so many millions of americans put on the exact wording of the contusion, the second amendment. this famous piece of literature. well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, comma, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, comma, shall not be infringed. this is either referring specifically to a militia or is it refer to an individual. and you can argue it either way. i mean, i interviewed justice scalia last week. he'll tell you it's all about the actually interpretation intended by the founding fathers. as mayor bloomberg told me last night, a, we don't really know what they meant. b, what we do know is they didn't anticipate the kind of weaponry we have today. let's watch a clip from him last night and you'll see what i mean. >> everybody wants to preserve the right of people that want to use guns for sport, hunting or target practice, to have the right to do so. but that doesn't mean you have an assault weapon. that doesn't mean you have a rifle that's advertised as able to bring down a commercial airliner at a mile and a half or bullets that are designed to go through bullet-resistant vests. those are very different things. >> now, that would be my view entirely. let's watch what ice t, the rapper, said yesterday about his interpretation of the second amendment. >> the right to bear arms is because that's the last form of defense against tyranny. not to hunt. it's to protect yourself from the police. >> and do you see any link between that and these sorts of incidents? >> no. nah, not really. you know what i'm saying? if somebody wants to kill peep, they don't need a gun to do it. >> makes it easier, doesn't it? >> not really. you can strap explosives on your body. they do that all the time. >> there you have two very different views. i would say there are millions and millions of americans who would part themselves into mayor bloomberg's side of the argument and millions more, probably millions more in total, that would agree with what ice t said. how do you deal with this going forward? the constitutional divide that america has over how that is interpreted? >> okay. well, i'm going to argue it both ways. because i think you can make a valid argument sort of. on both, on both sides. not the last part. that part that ice t said that reducing them wouldn't -- that's been proven. you reduce the guns and the ammo, you'll reduce the murders. somebody strapping a bomb on themselves, that's a whole different animal we have to deal with in these times. but i think first of all this must seem odd to people in other countries that we view our constitution as if it was written by god himself. that it was somehow through some sort of divine intervention or whatever. it was etched in stone like moses and the tablets. and because what they thought was right in 1776 to 1789, that was -- that is the way we have to live today in the 21st century. we wouldn't go to a doctor and have him put leaches on us to suck the blood out of it because that would cure us. we've kind of evolved. so i think what -- it's a safe bet -- i think the people who are -- the nra and the so-called gun supporters. i think they -- if they were intellectually honest. and i think it's okay ton u use that word. the other word. they would admit the founding fathers when they said militia, they meant we got to be able to round up all the farmers and the merchants and everybody, get your gun because the british are coming back. they were afraid of that. they still were dealing with the world's largest power at the time when we got our independence. or when they said "the right to bear arms" i think, you know, the arm back then was you could -- you could only fire one shot at a time. you had a little -- a little ball bearing-like bullet. you had to stuff it in the thing. then do this. gun powder. took 15 minutes before you could fire one shot. now, if the founding fathers could have looked into a crystal ball and seen ak-47s and a glock semiautomatic pistol. i got a feeling they would want to leave a little note behind and probably tell us, you know, that's not really what we mean when we say "bear arms." so i think that -- i think most intelligent people would see that it's -- it kind of makes sense, what they were thinking. i wish that we would just live in this century. i think they'd want us to do that. we've evolved in other ways. we allow women to vote. we decided that slavery was a bad idea. we've gotten rid of a lot of those bad ideas from the founding fathers. this is probably one that is not necessarily a bad idea but one that can care flied th 21 century language. >> i've been staggered, i have to say, having started this show when gabby giffords was shot which is about a week before i went on air. to see nothing happen after that. and then to see the worst single shooting in the history of of the united states. and still have no senior politician. neither the president, nor the man who wants to replace him as president, mitt romney, have said anything about guns or gun control. as if it is not an issue that even needs to be discussed. let's come back after the break. i nt to ask you why. why is there this extraordinary wall of silence from america's political leaders? 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>> i guess they're afraid to. i guess they're part of the same problem of the fear in this country. we get afraid of so many things. and in this particular case, this is just the fear of not getting elected. there's no, like, personal harm that's going to come to them if they take a position on this. >> we're going to play some footage from both the president and mitt romney from 2007. the same year in which they said, give n their silence now, some pretty surprising things about guns. first, governor chris christie who said this after aurora. >> i am a little bit disturbed by politicians who in the immediate aftermath of this type of tragedy tried to grandstand on it. i'm not going to be one of those people. i feel awfully for those families. there's two with new jersey roots. one who was injured. one who was killed. this is not the appropriate time to be grandstanding about gun laws. can we at least get through the initial grief and tragedy for these families before we start making them political pawns? >> i had somebody put this exact same point to me on friday when we did a whole show on this 12 hours after the incident happened. to me, it's a totally factous argument. are you supposed to leave it a year? we know after columbine. after all these things. nothing happens. i have a lot respect for chris christie. i like him personally very much. i think it's a crass thing to say. the time to talk, as i said on friday, was probably the day before this happened. to have this debate loud and clear. to let the american public make their own minds up. at the moment, they're not hearing why there should be gun control. they're not hearing anything. what they're doing is voting with their wallets and their feet and they're going to gun stores to try to buy more guns because they believe that's the only way to stop themselves getting shot in movie theaters. that is why america is seeing such an escalation in its gun ownership, isn't it? >> no, i think actually it's more because we're more easily scared then other people in other countries. and we response differently to tragedy in such a dramatic way that goes way beyond reason and sanity. you know, 9/11 happens. we're attacked. okay. let's send 100,000 troops to afghanistan. to get the, you know, 200 people that were behind this. you know. or i think saddam had something to do with 9/11. he's got weapons of mass destruction. yes, i heard. the weapons, they could be here in 45 minutes. i mean, this sort of thing that just gets whipped up in us. that's really the thing i'd like to talk about. because i want to know why we're a bunch of scaredy cats in this way. why we have to -- we think if i just have a gun, if i just have a gun i'm going to be okay. it's just -- it's madness. it's absolute madness. as i said, it's disappointing the political leaders don't do something. if governor christie's worried. trust me in 12 days, nobody's going to be talking about it. >> i totally agree. let me just play for you the two clips we found. talking about assault weapons. >> i signed a salt weapon ban in massachusetts as governor because it provided a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in massachusetts which was a big plus. is both the pro gun and anti-gun lobby came together with a bill and i signed that. >> we need to close the gun show loophole. by improving the national criminal background check system. we need to make the expired assault weapon ban permanent. >> there you have it. governor romney in massachusetts. wanting to bring in a ban on assault weapons. barack obama before he became president making it very clear what he can do. neither has said a word in the light of the biggest single shooting in the history of that country. i'm afraid it looks from the outside as if it's political cowardice. >> it's really disgraceful as far as i'm concerned. it's most disappointed by the individual that you showed there. that i think does know what needs to be done. and i think privately must be very shaken by this and wondering what he should be doing. i would hope that's the case. i live in a country where the same president who i voted for and will again but, you know, he pushed through a health care bill that left 26 million americans still uncovered. what other nation is there in the world that does this to their people? that allows thousands to die every year because they can't afford to see a doctor? what is it about us that we're so cruel to each other? >> i think it's one many americans are wrestling with. let's take another break. come back. i got some twitter questions for you. very lively, as you'd imagine. somebody called at louie louie tweeted laws don't prevent people from committing crime. just like salads don't prevent people from getting fat. so let's discuss the public's view of this debate after the break. 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is this type gun necessary for self-defense? then you have the other argument. laws don't prevent people from committing crime. somebody else. can you explain why washington, d.c. outlaws handguns? yet in 2012, saw a 40% increase in gun-related crime. and chicago. and yet have the worst gun crime in america. put all these into some sort of perspective for me, michael. >> come from other states. not from washington, d.c. if we had a uniform -- uniform laws, there would be loss of a problem. if you are trying to get a gun in washington, d.c., it's virtually impossible, number one. number two, new york is a good xap pell of where the gun laws did bring down the gun murders. so i think the mayor of chicago should probably talk to the mayor of new york and figure out what they did in new york. the first part of your question. as americans, we want our freedom. why can't we have a gun? i want 200 channels on my tv, why can't i have 300? this part of american mentality. it comes from a good place of freedom. and i should be able to get this or whatever. i don't know. but, really, i would like to ask actually the gun supporters out there. if you believe that the second amendment is some absolute rig to bear arms. it doesn't say guns, by the way, it says arms. does that mean i have the right to own weapons grade plutonium? and why not? why not? it's a weapon. why don't i have the right to own that? where you going to draw the line here with this? >> this is the point, isn't it? there is no line drawn. when i asked this pro-gun guy last night. i asked him who would need an assault rifle? he doesn't have any answer. that's the point. nobody needs one of those as a civilian. the military need them. and they have them. but why are there not laws to stop disturbed young people who have no mental health record or no criminal record so they avoid all the normal checks, the basic checks, that they can go in and buy the stuff? even more terrifyingly, what he did on the internet. being able to buy 6,000 rounds of ammunition. being able to buy full military standard body armor. there's got to be a mechanism that picks up these people. when they get online in america and try to buy this stuff, red flags go up. but there isn't. someone could be doing it now, tomorrow, the next day. and nothing legally can stop them or even pick them up. >> that's right. there's nothing to stop the insane from arming themselves to the hilt. and that is going to have to change. as mayor bloomberg said on your show last night, if the assassination of president kennedy and mart be luin luther and robert kennedy. and the greatest rock star of all time john lennon. and on and on and on. all the school shootings. everything else. americans just don't seem to want to get behind doing something about this. i think it's because, again, you said there's 300 million guns in peep's ho pe people's homes. most of those guns are in white people's hopes. most of those guns are in suburbs, not in the cities. now, why do people in suburbs -- why do people who don't live in cities, why do you have a handgun in the house? because you're afraid that little freckle-faced jimmy down the street is going to hurt you some day? what's the real reason? who do you think's going to hurt you? >> clear exam ple is the trayvo martin case. where george zimmerman, if he hasn't been carrying a gun, indisputably trayvon martin would still be alive. it was the fact he had a gun. whichever side of the argument you believe. it may or may not company out in the court case. the bottom line is if a gun hadn't physically been on zimmerman. george zimmerman was legally entitled to carry this firearm around. that firearm led to trayvon martin being shot. >> can i say something about that? about the trayvon martin thing? let me put it this way. let's say george zimmerman's right. when he says trayvon martin tried to kill him. all right. but it was george zimmerman who was told by the police to quit stalking this boy. and he was the one who was committing the infraction against the law by disobeying the police. doesn't trayvon martin actually have the right to kill george zimmerman if george zimmerman is stalking him? and the police have told him not to stalk him? >> it is an irony george zimmerman using stand your ground defense. when you could equally argue trayvon martin may well have been doing the same thing. against somebody who he saw was armed. >> which he has the right to do. >> and didn't know what this guy was up to. we don't know the facts. important to say. but it is ironic. >> yes, he might have been trying to hurt you because you were stalking him. you were breaking the law. >> i've got a question for you. we have a video question from dr. amador. he came on last night. he's a schizophrenia expert. >> i'd really like to see you go after state commissioners of mental health and the private health care industry. what's happening is in this case i think we're going to find -- i can't tell for certain this young man probably has serious mental illness. certainly jared laufner. because we're not funding mental health care. when mental health care cuts occur, violent crimes like this and mass shootings like this occur. >> it's very hard to imagine mebody at 24 years old with the kind of background this kid had is not mentally ill. why else would he be doing something like this? either he's just the epitome of pure evil or he's psychologically disturbed in some way it as was jared laufner and other killers involved in these massacres. is it time that america just woke up and dealt properly with mental health generally? >> absolutely. i mean, we never discuss this when we're talking about universal health care. at least those who are the politicses never discuss it. it certainly isn't covered very much by private insurance. this is a huge problem. it is covered in other places where it's much less expense in other countries to get this sort of help. so yes, on an individual level, we need to do this. on a mass level, as a culture, as an american society, we have to also correct our sort of collective mental problem where we think violence is going to solve our problems or violence is going to make us safe. if we just build more weapons, we're going to be okay. you know, it doesn't -- it's just not going to work that way. >> let's take a final break. i want to come back and try to get to some solutions. what you think could actually practically be done to deal with the gun issue in america right now. 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what if it were them last thursday night? would you stand at the microphone the next day and say, i feel your pain and you know, we, the existing gun laws are enough. is that really what you would say, mr. president? i don't think so. and you, and i, and everybody, we have to see these children, these young people who were killed on thursday night, friday morning, we have to see them as our children. we as americans, and this is where the larger collective problem has to be fixed. we have to see we're part of each other and take care of each other. i got mine, you get yours and the hell with everybody else. at least i wasn't in that theater. we have to stop that mentality. we have to stop that attitude toward each other and realize that those were our children who were killed there, this past weekend. and if you treat it like that, i think if everybody honestly really felt that way, we would have some change in this country and these politicians would respond quickly. if people would just rise up and say dam it, this is not the america i'm going to live in. this is too great of a country to let this happen again. and i'm not going to come on another tv show either savor the next one of these shootings. i haven't done it for ten years, to be nice to you, you're a good guy, but i'm sick of this. i refuse it. i refuse to live in a country like this, as i said before. and i'm not leaving, so therefore what am i going to do? it's got to change. and i invite americans who feel the same was as i do to help me change this, help everyone change this. >> michael powerful words. this is the tent anniversary of the "bowling for columbine". michael, thank you very much. >> rise up now. thank you. we'll be right back. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? >> i'm fliegs flying to london tonight to cover the olympics. on thursday, mitt romney and his wife, the candidate talks about his run for the white house and about his record with the salt lake city olympics. on monday we kick off the olympics fro with michael phelps. he talks about the goals, the games and how he felt when that photo of him surfaced. >> when you knew that picture was coming out, how did you feel? >> not too good. >> what is that feeling like? >> like the worst in the world. you know, like the lowest of the low. >> i thought you said the worst thing was having to tell your mother. i can relate to that. i can image there's no harder conversation. how did you get through that? >> you know, i think my mom has always been obviously how all moms are. they're very supportive in their children. and you know, my mom growing up always would let us kind of see how we, i guess, choose the decisions that we wanted to. but if we made those decisions, we had to live with the consequences that came their way. so, obviously was very disappointed in

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