Someone who bragged about i only hire the best people cant seem to keep people. Im looking forward to the president having the cabinet that he deserves. The Special Counsel is looking now into trump businesses. Its investigation 101 to follow the money. The president believes very strongly there is no collusion. There is no individual in the United States who is above the law. It was loud. It sounded like a bomb. When i looked closely, cars were squooshed. We want to do our best to find out exactly what happened here. This is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. Welcome to your new day. Its thursday, march 16, 8 00 in the east. Cnn reporting that President Trump is ready to oust his National Security adviser general h. R. Mcmaster and is considering even more changes to his embattled cabinet. A Major Development in the russia investigation. Special counsel bob mueller has subpoenaed documents from the Trump Organization. The New York Times reporting that the mueller team has been asking witnesses about a potential real estate deal in moscow. Now, coming up, were going to talk to a man at the middle of that potential deal. A russianborn businessman who says he was trying to help broker a deal to build a Trump Tower In Moscow. Get this. He also claims to be an american spy. We have a lot to talk about now with democratic congressman jim himes, a member of the house intelligence committee. Good morning. Good morning. Lets talk about h. R. Mcmaster. Are you concerned that his position appears to be precarious, particularly at this time of National Security concerns . Yeah, im very concerned, alisyn. Ill tell you what im concerned about, its about the fact that the adults are leaving the building. With gary cohn leaving, rex tillerson leaving, h. R. Mcmaster leaving, these are the people that a guy like me and the American People may look at and say you may have the Anthony Scaramuccis of the world runs around but at least you have adults in the room. The thing that a guy like me worries about, the domestic turmoil is one thing, but the possibility that the president wakes up one morning and decides its time to go to war because of something he saw on fox news. I think its h. R. Mcmaster and the adults in the room that have talked him down. Its scary to see them leaving. What do you think it means theres this turmoil before President Trump gets ready to sit down with kim jongun . Its not surprising that theres this turmoil. Weve sort of become inured to the fact that the president wakes up and makes policy in all caps tweets without consulting the state department, without consulting his people. A guy like h. R. Mcmaster, rex tillerson, who grew up in organizations where Decision Making is done very carefully and real prudence, theyre not going to thrive in that kind of environment. What is scary here you asked about north korea there arent a lot of Foreign Policy challenges where we know less about the person sitting across the table in which sort of subtlety and care and steady application of pressure are probably more nuanced. This is diplomatic brain surgery. This is not something you do spontaneously. As i said, the adults are leaving the building. That is not good timing. Moving on to russia. Are you heartened that the administration has now imposed sanctions on russia that were mandated by congress . Yes, its a small step in the right direction, but its not enough. And i dont just level that criticism at the trump administration. I level that criticism at the Previous Administration as well. We had a very serious attack on the mechanism of our democracy and we responded with a little slap on the wrist. The previous president shut down two diplomatic facilities, kicked a bunch of russians out of the country. Now, a year into this administration, the president isnt speaking with a vigorous voice against russia, but, yes, we see these fairly light sanctions. If we want this not to happen again, Vladimir Putin understands power and the exercise of power and not much else. We need to do more to make it clear that we wont tolerate this kind of thing or that we wont tolerate what we saw in the united kingdom, the murder of an exspy by russian agents. When you say we need to do more and this isnt enough, what would more look like . Well, you would do this carefully. I understand this was controversial in the last administration, but had i been in the administration when this happened, i would have urged an exercise of our own cyber capabilities, and i wouldnt have done it in a way that would have created casualties in russia, but you can imagine any number of things, half of moscow to find out their computers dont work for two weeks or a number of people in moscow with illgotten gains discovering their Bank Balances are zero, whatever it might be. You can imagine the United States has strong capabilities in this area and i would have made the russians hurt in that area to demonstrate our capabilities and send a clear warning we wont tolerate this kind of attack on our elections. Those are the very things they are attempting to do to our infrastructure. The Homeland Security department announced they attempted this cyber attack on our various sectors. So energy, aviation, nuclear, water, commercial. What are we to make of that . Not a surprise, alisyn. Its not just the russians, of course. Were living in this wired world where its not just the power company. Its your refrigerator and toaster talking to the internet. We have a lot of work to do for people to understand the vulnerability is there for the government to do what it needs to do to keep our network safe. Look, back to russia. For decades we did not have a nuclear war with russia because we all understood deterrents. Thats why i go back to saying there should have been a stronger response. You bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Thats the language that putin understands. What does it say to you that the Press Secretary and the white house could not answer the question friend or foe. Watch this moment. Hold on. In simple terms, is putin a antagonistic power. Like it or not, like the chinese, were going to need to work with them to keep the peace in the world. Okay. Good to get your nuanced perspective on all that, congressman. Thank you very much. Were following Breaking News here. The death toll is rising in that Pedestrian Bridge Collapse at Florida International university in miami. Police will brief the media in the next hour on the recovery efforts. Cnns rosa flores is live at the scene with breaking details. We know theyve been working through the night. Whats the latest . Reporter chris, we just learned from police that at least five victims are still pinned in the rubble that you see behind me. This is 950 tons of concrete. Homicide detectives are working side by side to try to get to the bodies and also to preserve evidence. This is going to be a painstaking process. Oh, my gosh. Knowing that there are still people pinned in there is just a horrible development. Rosa, thank you very much. Please keep us posted. We know theyre working very hard because whether its search and rescue, which means they believe people are alive or recovery where they believe people have died, its so important to the families to get closure. We know theyre working very hard. Well table you through any developments as we get them. Another story this morning. Special counsel bob mueller slapping the Trump Organization with a subpoena. Were going to speak with a russianborn businessman who is at the center of much of the intrigue involving the Trump Organization and the russia probe. Also, you know the Expression Times Up now and me too. This group of female journalists are coming together to change our business. Theres a feeling that were not crazy. This isnt one network. This problem is systemwide. They are vowing to Press Forward, as they say, in their fight against Sexual Harassment. My conversation with them and my conversation with them and what their plans are ahead. What happened . 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Some document have been unsealed about my work with various National Security agencies on behalf of our country. I was approached by two reporters who said there are pieces of this who are coming out and its going to come out. You have to sit down and tell the truth. Otherwise its going to get piecemealed. After 20 years of work protecting our country, i didnt want it to come out the wrong way and i wanted to give a full picture of everything ive done in protecting our country. There is this whole intelligence assets spy story that goes along with your involvement here. Its interesting and well talk about it. It is interesting to me thats motivating you to come out, not all these other questions that have been swirling around about you. To this point, whom have you gone and spoken to from the government about your involvement with trump and potential connections to russia. Have you taken to muellers investigators . Im not at liberty to discuss on going investigations. You can talk about who you spoke to, not the content of what you discussed . Speaking about existing investigations, i can only say that i have, in fact, testified in front of the senate, in front of the house intel committee, but the rest of it i cant discuss until it actually comes out. But if you dont say i havent spoken to the Mueller Investigator certainly you could tell me if you havent. Theres no penalty to saying i didnt speak to muellers investigators. If youre not telling me i havent spoken to the investigators, the assumption is that you have. Do you allow that analogy . Its an interesting analogy. The most important analogy is i was doing a real estate transaction in moscow. If you dont want to talk about it, thats fine. I cannot answer about anything that may be on on going investigation. True, except you could say if you havent spoken to the investigators. You could say that. I choose not to. If the information about this subpoena is accurate and they want to know about this trump tower deal. Part of the intrigue is how it was explained by you in an email, that this could be something where well get putin on board and hell help bring our boy, as you were describing, then candidate trump, help him win. Buddy our boy can become president of the United States and we can engineer it. I will get all of putins team to buy into this. I will manage the process. Is that the truth of the matter asserted . Chris, i came here as a 7yearold immigrant. I grew up in this country. Went to elementary school, junior high school, high school. I believe im the furthest thing from russia. I Wasnt Born In russia. I was born in the soviet union which has, thank god, collapsed. The email i wrote was to a friend i knew since childhood, Michael Cohen. The excitement about having worked for someone who is now running for president , especially being an immigrant kid myself, i was beyond enthusiastic about it. In terms of who would or would not have gotten on board, i was trying to use this opportunity because i had tried to build Trump Tower In Moscow as well as london and paris. You did Licensing Agreements involving the trump name, also, which was a huge revenue flow. Absolutely. I did it in new york, in ft. Lauderdale. I tried to do it in phoenix, arizona i worked on numerous trump deals in my career. What does this have to do with whether or not this was true. Was it true you had access to putin and he had an interest in trying to elect trump. I didnt know putin. As a Real Estate Developer which ive said on a previous interview is three parts enthusiast and one part realist. You look at a piece of dirt and envision a beautiful building in front of you, the tallest building in the world or tallest building in europe as what i envisioned and what you were trying to accomplish, you would need buyins from governments, finance institutions, architects and everybody else. The truth of the matter is, had this project moved forward, of course i would have started working the phones, started contacting my Business Contacts. You didnt know anybody close to putin or connected to putin who was telling you they wanted to help trump become president of the United States. No, i did not. You didnt have any knowledge of any government actor in russia who wanted to help get trump elected president . I wouldnt involve myself with a government actor or any other government against our country for any reason, donald trump or anyone else. This was just hype and enthusiasm, it wasnt a legitimate offer . This was beyond enthusiasm. It wasnt hype. At the end of the day, id start finding people that knew putin. Id start finding people that could get donald on top of this proje project. I would have, believe me, turned over every rock to make sure everyone was involved. I get you. The danger and the suggestion is that it would be proof that there were people connected to putin or close to putin that had a vested interest in trying to help motivate trumps campaign. If youre saying thats not what it was abilities, well take you at your word until any other proof comes up about it. Chris, im more than happy for all the proof to come out. I was trying to build A Billion Dollar project. It did not happen. It did not happen. There was never any money exchanged, never any type of relationship developed between putin and anyone close to him and the Trump Organization to your knowledge . To my knowledge and anything i was involved with, absolutely not. Michael cohen said he never even went to russia on this deal . He did not go to russia on this deal with me. And the idea that you went to russia with trumps children to advance Business Interests. Is that true . That is true. You know the general counsel of the Trump Organization says its not true, felix was in russia at the time the kids were there, it wasnt coordinated. Is that true . The president asked me to be in russia at the same time as them to look after them. The president asked you . Yes, sir. Directly. Directly. Why do i ask you . Because the president has seemed to distance himself from you saying if the guy is in the room right now, i wouldnt know who he was. Youd have to ask thement why he said that. Do you think if you were in a room, do you think he would know who you were. Youd have to ask him. Do you think hed know who you sfwhr. If he was in this room, id know who he was. I cant answer for him. Why are you being so protective . You had a Business Card, everyone knows you had residence in Trump Organization. You know we know a lot of the same people here in new york city. Ive looked into you. Theres no question whether it was when you were with barock in the early 2000s and started doing Licensing Deals for trump and other commercial opportunities or when you got back into the business after some hard times, you were in residence at the Trump Organization, on the Business Card you call yourself a senior adviser. The Trump Organization issued me that Business Card. You know donald trump, yes or no . I know donald trump. You have met him in person in. Yes, sir. You have shaken his hand . Many times. Youve looked him in the eye. Yes, sir. Spoken to him on the phone . Yes, sir. He knows you. Felix, if you want to tell the truth were living in this age where people dont know whats fact or fiction. Either you know the guy or you dont. Chris, youre asking me what Somebody Else said. I can only answer for myself. The president of the United States saying i dont know who this guy is smacks of trying to distance himself from facts. Its not to bust your chops, its to try to create a record of what we should know in this situation. Thats why im asking. Similarly, another big point of intrigue, you meet with Michael Cohen and Somebody Else. He takes the meeting because he knows you, cohen says. At the meeting you make a proposal for a ukrainian piece, right. This is what we need to do to stop it, give to michael and say would you deliver this to michael flynn. Is that the truth of what happened at this meet . Close. I gave the proposal to Michael Cohen who said he would deliver it to michael flynn. What was in that proposaprop . What was that about . The proposal was i was working at that time on a very large deal to fix and rehabilitate the Nuclear Power plants in the ukraine which are basically chernobylready, which could cause catastrophe. The funny part is, it was the most anti russian transaction you could work out because it was a way for ukraine to become Energy Independent from russia as well as sell excess energy to poland and other European Countries which are now in the choke hold of Russian Energy policy. Who was the other man at the table. Andre art men coa senator from ukraine. It is true he has connections to oligarchs in russia . I dont know. I really dont know. Is it true he had Business Interests involved with what was going to happen in the ukraine . Im sure he does have Business Interests. He approached me through a Business Contact about the Power Plant Deal. Thats all i was working on. The Power Plant Deal would have caused russia basically to collapse. It was the most anti russian deal ever. During the course of all those negotiations and working on the Nuclear Power plants, andre comes to me and says, felix, people are being killed in eastern ukraine. Its true. Ive been there. When that plane got shot down and people thought that was the beginning of the situation, it was an introduction to an ongoing civil war, largely motivated by russian resources. That is the reality there. Do you know if anything ever happened with the administration and that proposal . I dont know. Where my involvement ended was, andre said were working on this deal, but people are getting killed. I have a proposal for a peace plan. Its a why to break the logjam on crimea. Sanctions will never be lifted while theyre in crimea. I think thats sort of a Hong Kong Style transaction where hong kong is independent for 50 years. They vote on their own independence. Can you get this to the administration to which i answered no. I can get it to Michael Cohen. He can get it to the administration. Thats as far as it went . Thats as far as it went as far as im concerned. Once this is all settled, you need to come back and tell your story about your involvement with the American Government because its fascinating on its own. Theres a connection to the last question which is this. What insight can you offer as to why donald trump, a man you know very well, regardless of what he says, is so anxious to take on opponents, so anxious to be strong, be forceful and to be seen that way, but not when it comes to russia . Why when it comes to russia does he always have a light touch . The conversations i had with the president many years ago about russia were not about a light touch, not about coddling them. It was about bringing u. S. Oil down to 25 a barrel which would spark an economic revival in this country unseen in the last 100 years and at the same time cripple russia. So suggestions of him liking them, i dont know. From my conversations, i know it was always the idea of make america have an amazing economic resurgence and cripple russia in the process. Thats are the conversations i remember. We wanted to allow you to create a record on the suggestions out there with respect to the russia probe. Well continue this conversation. Thank you for this. Appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Now to another continuing conversation in the unto can. What is the next step in the Me Too Movement . A group of women in tv news who had runins with matt lauer, Mark Halperin and more, are coming together for the First Time Ever to fight bad behavior. Their plan next. Tra. The coffee here is amazing. Because the volcanic soil is amazing. So we give farmers like win more plants. To grow more delicious coffee. Which helps provide for wins family. All, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. Green mountain Coffee Roasters. That i served. Of the fact i was a C130 Mechanic in the corps, so im not happy unless my hands are dirty. Between running a business and four kids, were busy. Auto insurance, homeowners insurance, Life Insurance policies. 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A plot of Sexual Harassment allegations reached the program morning joe. I was so scared to come forward. I can remember a moment of relief when i got a phone call that said, oh, my gosh, another person has come forward. Charlie rose at cbs. For decades he covered the headlines, now he is one. Reporter matt lauer at nbc. This is a sad morning at today and nbc news. I think it was a feeling were not crazy. This isnt one network. This problem is systemwide. Reporter this week ten current and former journalists came together, some meeting for the first time, to try to stop bad behavior in newsrooms. Everyone knew it was true and yet there was obviously no structure to bring about change. A show of hands. How many women were sexually harassed . And how many of you feel that that moment did change the trajectory of your careers . How many of you are still nervous or reluctant to speak out and tell your full story today . Im still a working journalist. I feel a tremendous amount of risk speaking with you here to day, but this industry which ive dreamed of since i was 13 or 14 years old has given me tremendous extraordinary experiences and a life of tremendous adventure and magic, but its also brought a lot of pain. You did speak out. What happened after that . I felt very exposed. I felt incredibly vulnerable. I didnt realize the severity of it. Its brutal, brutal. Reporter in December Addy decided to tell the story of what happened to her nearly 18 years ago when she was a Production Assistant on the today show. She says the host, matt lauer, at the time the biggest name in tv news began pursuing her for sex. I was in a position that he knew he could take advantage of. He wasnt going to go after a senior producer. He was going to go after the intern or the pa. Its about abuse of power. Sexual harassment, consent, appropriate behavior, and all of these things are things that we are delving into. Reporter that was their motivation to create Press Forward, a new initiative to stop harassment in newsrooms an make them safer for future journalists. On tuesday, Press Forward launched at the National Press club in washington. He was a day of high hopes and high emotion. I landed my dream job at world news at abc. Because of the culture in television of Sexual Harassment, i left. There were many reasons that made me pivot my career and i still believe in the news. I was the most vulnerable and i believe i was violated by the most powerful and put in a situation where i didnt have the agency to make a good decision. And when youre a young woman and you know you were an active participant in something that wasnt right, you carry that shame with you forever. Reporter Press Forward assembled a distinguished board of advisers with journalists like cnns jake tapper and the longtime host of night line ted koppel, who made the provocative suggestion that perhaps should dress differently. That im sure is an unpopular notion today. The fact of the matter is, i would feel just as upset by a guy coming in wearing a tshirt and torn jeans to come to work at the office as i am by a woman who comes in wearing a skirt that is so short that it is provocative. Reporter thats listed groans followed by awkward silence. I found his comment very provocati provocative, but really interesting. Let me bring you along, you cant just shut him down and be like, what . Let me explain to you why i feel that viewpoint is misguided. If we want to create change, we have to invite men into the conversation. Theyre going to say things that may shock us and surprise us, but we have to work together. I work with men every day and theyre wonderful. We love guys. So i dont want people to feel like this is just a womans issue or a gender issue. Its a human decency issue. Press forward has ideas for how to change newsrooms they hope will ripple across other Industries Including more Sexual Harassment training, raising money for a Legal Defense fund, hosting town halls and conducting industry assessments. To me its really Black And White. You should not have a button under your desk that shuts the door. You should not parade naked in a towel if your assistant is in the room. You should not really master bait during a job interview. Thats pretty Black And White to me. My favorite one on the website is, if you cant say what youre about to say to a woman to that womans mother, just dont say it. Its not appropriate. How would you all finish this sentence, a year from now newsrooms will be better. Safer. Inspiring and elevating place to work for every single person, not just the big stars, but the younger assistants and producers. A place where the best and brightest want to be. More enlightened. Empowered. What would you tell College Students today who say they want to become journalists and are idealistic . What would you tell them . You deserve to be in a place where you can succeed without conditions, where your potential will be supported, where your focus will be your job, and thats it. Just because youre ambitious, hard working and excited about your chosen career, it doesnt mean you should be exploited for having those qualities. We hope they have the courage to, if and when this happens to them, to do something. We need you. We need you to succeed. We need you to stay in the business and figure out some of the challenges that lie ahead, so dont give up. So that group is called Press Forward. It asked me to be on their Advisory Board which im honored to be a part of. Ill keep you updated on the tangible changes made in tv news and beyond. Great conversation. You had to fold in the stuff by ted because thats how culture changes. Of course, that energy all has to go up. It has to go out, get as many people involved as possible. Then it has to go up because culture has changed for sure. They also do believe it will have a Ripple Effect on other industries. The guidelines theyre trying to set they think can be a blueprint for any sort of industry. The more we talk about it, the more change happens. It will be interesting to see what corporations make real moves. Thanks for bringing us there. Important stuff. Thank you. The lawyer for Stormy Daniels claims she was being physically threatened to stay silent about her alleged affair with President Trump. Proof . We have the attorney next. Whoamike and jen doyle . Than i thought. Yeah. Time for medicare, huh. I have no idea how were going to get through this. Follow me. Choosing a plan can be supercomplicated. But it doesnt have to be. Unitedhealthcare can guide you through the confusion, with helpful people, tools and plans. Including the only plans with the aarp name. Well that wasnt so bad at all. Thats how we like it. Aarp medicare plans, from unitedhealthcare. Z. All right. We have developments that have to be discussed. The lawyer for Stormy Daniels claims his client was being physically threatened to stay silent about her alleged affair with President Trump. Theres some other news in this story as well. Joining us now is Stormy Daniels attorney michael avenatti. Youre starting the drive the news cycle a little bit on this. I wanted to talk to you about it. There are actually two developments, maybe three we have to get to. Lets start with that one. Again, state for us here what are you alleging was done to your client in terms of pressure to stay quiet . Well, im not alleging anything. Im stating a fact, and the fact is that my client was physically threatened to stay silent about what she knew about donald trump. The details surrounding that shes going to discuss, im sure, on the 60 minutes interview on march 25, and the American People are going to weigh her voracity and whether she can be trusted, whether she appears to be credible and whether it happened or not, and theyre going to learn the details surrounding that. Were going to let them judge for themselves whether shes being honest. First of all, that means the interview is going to air as far as you know. Were hearing not this sunday, but next the 25th. The Washington Post reported i think yesterday it is going to air on march 25. They havent communicated with you, cbs news and given you the courtesy of letting you know they have communicated with us. I dont know the definitive date. That is handled internally at cbs. Why the vacillation with the network . I dont know theres a vacillation. The issue is theyre trying to make sure they get it riert, crossing every t, dotting every i. They dont run off half cocked and air something without vetting. There was never an earlier date that was moved, it was always in flux . My understanding is its always been in flux. The determining factor was first theyre going to get it right and determine when it airs. Thats the way youre supposed to do the job. Theyre the top of the craft. No doubt. Just trying to create a clear record. You have to have proof of this. I say its an allegation. You say its a fact. The difference between the two is proof. Youre saying she will have proof, when she says she was threatened, shell say by whom and how . What im saying is shes going to be able to provide very specific details about what happened here. Including who made the threat . Im confident that the American People after this interview are going to come away and have little to no doubt that this woman is credible, shes telling the truth, and she knows what shes talking about. Just not to dance around that, she has to say who issued the threat. The threat is only as good as its source. I think ive answered the question. I think when people tune in on the 25th of march, theyll know shes shooting straight. You can yesno on that. Youre a lawyer, not a pr guy. Its not about hyping the interview. I dont have to hype this interview. I hear you, and you shouldnt. Youre the lawyer, not a pr guy. But the idea of was this somebody close to the president of the United States . Again, im not looking to hype the interview because the interview is going to get whatever ratings will that question be answered . I think when people tune in, theyll learn what happened. Another suggestion is that you say since your representation, you have received information from other women who have mdas that may or may not be Jermaine To Whats Happening with Stormy Daniels. Is that true . Weve been approached by six different women who have claim to have stories similar to my client. Two of them have ndas. Were in the very early stages of vetting those stories. I want to preach caution and restraint. We are not vouching for these stories. We are investigating them. Were not going to stake our reputation on them until we have confidence that theyre telling the truth, we have 100 confidence that ms. Clifford is telling the truth. Got to vet them. Thats smart for you and your reputation. Do these women in terms of what their allegations are at this point before you vet them, do they all involve the president of the United States . Yes. And only two of the women have ndas. No, thats not what i said. I said at least two. You dont know if the others do . Correct. Then we get to the relevance. Why would the American People care if six women came forward and saying they had affairs with the president of the United States . I dont know that they would care. Why would you represent them . We havent made a determination as to whether were going to represent them. We eesh in the early stages of examining these allegations, learning the facts, start Making Accusations or doing anything. We may not even end up representing them. But i think i will speculate that ultimate the American People may be interested if, in fact and its an if, if, in fact, one of these women had a similar circumstance related to my client as related to the intimidation tactics, the Bullying Tactics and the efforts to muzzle and gag these women from telling their story. Are you suggesting that your client entered into this nda with Michael Cohen under duress . That would mean its not a real contract because she did it because she felt pressured to have to do it, it wasnt a real bargain for exchange. Is that what youre saying . I think when people tune in to this interview, theyll learn the details, the circumstances under which she signed the original agreement as well as what happened thereafter relating to the threats and coercive tactics that were used to shut my client up. All right. But the timing matters, right . If the fact pattern is she came, wanted a deal because she was shopping herself and story to networks thats not what happened. Weve got to see that proven, radio it . Thats one thing, and says, i want to im going to speak unless we can figure out a deal. Fine, legal, as long as it wasnt being coercive. She makes that deal, she doesnt like that deal and wants to speak. Thats one disposition under the law. If it was, well, i have to do this because im afraid if i dont do it, something will happen to me because that has been articulated, thats something else. Which was it . Something else. This is new. I havent heard you say this before. Im assuming thats why you had me on the show. You dont want me to repeat what i say on every show. If you knew she had done this under duress, you wouldnt be doing under this fine print law about whether its executed to everybody. If it were done under duress, you should say its not a real deal because they threatened her if she didnt do it. As you know, proving duress is a very, very difficult thing under the law. Why prove duress if you can point to the agreement huge difference, huge difference. Not only perhaps in terms of legal sufficiency but in terms of court of public opinion. Were having this conversation here, not in front of a magistrate, for a reason. If she was threatened into a deal, it ooels a lot different than she wanted to be quiet and the time and now she doesnt anymore. You come back and well discuss what matters to the American People. Michael avenatti, thank you for taking the time. Appreciate it. Alisyn . Alisyn . The good stuff is next. If you lisreal hard you can hear the whales. Oop. 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