Says, under water with many people fearing with many fear that people could still be trapped. Lets get to Pauline Chiou live in hong kong with the latest deta details. The High School Students you mentioned were on their way to a Resort Island for a fourday holiday. At 9 00 a. M. This morning the ferry sent out a distress signal and then two hours later that ferry was just about gone. A desperate rescue after a crowded passenger ferry suddenly began sinking off the coast of south korea. More than 450 people were aboard the ferry. 325 of them High School Students from just outside seoul on a class trip to a nearby Resort Island. One student told the korean news network ytn he heard a loud bump before the ship started to sink. Shortly after the ship issued a distress call helicopters and boats including a ship from the u. S. Navy seventh fleet scrambled to assist the overturned vessel rushing to rescue the frightened passengers, clinging to railings, wait for help. These two passengers were lifted to safety in a helicopter basket while dozens of others were pulled out of the frigid water by rescue boats. Ones passenger told ytn that they were told to jump into the sea as the ship began to sink. Within hours the ship was almost completely submerged. Only a small portion of the hull was visible above the water. The weather was clear at the time and authorities are still not clear on what caused the catastrophe. And that is the big mystery because this is a pretty busy sea route. Any rock or obstacles should have been very well charted. Many of the stungts actually lost their cellphones in the ocean, so they had to borrow cellphones from rescuers to call their parents. Now, the parents of the students still unaccounted for have gone down to that port city near the accident. And still, chris, as you can imagine, just being torn apart wait for word for what has happened to their child. Pauline, thank you very much. The bump could have been a lot of things that happened on board. We mentioned the u. S. Navy is joining the search and rescue operations. With us on the phone is the Public Affairs officer for the u. S. Naval forces in south korea. Its great to have you with us. What do we understand . Were hear that the reports of a bump and then they were told immediately to jump into the water. Thats unusual. Whats the best guess right now as to what the situations were on board . Good morning, chris. Thanks for having me. First i want to say that our thoughts and our prayers go out to the pass jersz of the korean ship, if sewol that sunk today. Our hearts go out to the families of this unfortunate incident. Point well taken, lieutenant. As we discuss whats actually still ongoing out there whats the best sense so far of what the situation was . Well, were still trying to find out that ourselves. We have the uss Amphibious Assault ship. And the ship is operating in the vicinity t of the waters near where the ferry sunk. And we are on stand by awaiting request from the republic of korea government to support and the ship is the crew is ready to support as requested and as needed by the republic government. So far they havent asked you guys to do anything . No, sir. We have not we have not at this time we are still awaiting the request from the government toss a zest but we are standing by and we are ready to support as required. As you well know, there are often a lot of air pocket nsz a vessel like this thats that still has a little bit of the nose up there on the bow side. Do you have the capabilities to get under there, the 50 or 60 feet or so that you will need to to get inside that vessel if theres an opportunity . Our ship is equipped with the mv22 osprey as well as search and rescue helicopters, mh60 helicopter and we do have that ship does have the ability to provide small boats and divers on the scene if that was requested by the government. Best information so far, do you believe that the 300 unaccounted for, is that still the number or do you think one of the reasons that south korea is not asking for your help because they have accounted for everybody . Well, i dont think they have accounted for everybody yet. I think i want to say that the republic of korea has done a great job in their rescue efforts thus far. And they arrived on the scene quickly. And have been working tirelessly to locate the missing passengers so theyre doing a superb job. And our forces that weve been in touch with the onscene commander and our forces are ready to support if requested. And we are in the vicinity of the area and prepared to support. Whats the latest word on how much of the vessel is still above water, if any . That, cant tell you. Im here in seoul. The republic of korea government, the ministry of national defense, could probably provide you a better answer on that with regards to the vessel and how much has been sunk. So best hope against hope right now is that they are using divers to get under there because people could be in air pockets, right . That would be the best hope. Yeah, thats our understanding. And we are like i said, were standing by and weve been in touch with the onscene commander on the scene. And were prepared to assist as necessary. And its also important, it had to be a very Fast Response because the sea there, the yellow sea, very cold and people are describing the conditions as they jumped in unusual to be told to immediately abandon ship that way. To get there quickly enough to rescue them is no small effort. Thank you for the update, lieutenant. Let us know if you guys are brought officially into the search and well stay on top of this story. Thank you for joining us, lieutenant. Thank you, chris. Glad to be here this morning. To the search for missing flight 370 this morning. The bluefin21 submersible is back in the indian ocean this morning looking for any sign of the planes wreckage. Earlier it was forced to return to the surface to fix a technical issue. Erin mclaughlin has the latest on the search live from perth, australia, for us. Erin, have they given any information on what that Technical Glitch was . Not at the moment, kate. Were still trying to get more information on that glitch that forced the bluefin21 up to the surface. We understand that they brought it back onboard the ocean shield. They downloaded the data and saw no objects of interest. One of the important things here is that they were able to get it back into the water and back searching. No word on when we can expect it to resurface again. Now, were still waiting the test results of an oil slick that was found in the vicinity of the ocean shield near where it detected the pings. They went to Great Lengths to bring a twoliter sample, traveled by military ship, traveled by helicopter, traveled by jet. It was expected to arrive here in perth this morning. We understand that Malaysian Airways has supplied samples of its boeing 777 jetliner fluids to be able to be compared. So were still waiting for those results. Some speculating that this liquid could potentially be from the missing planes engine, but thats pure speculation at this point. Authorities are saying theyre treating this as any other lead, that neither needs to be ruled in or ruled out. Kate . The latest from the search from perth, australia. Lets bring in mary schiavo, form er Inspector General for te United States department of transportation and david soucie to talk about the latest developments. Good morning again to both of you. It probably seems like one long day for you guys since youre on air so much. David, first lets talk about what could possibly have been this Technical Glitch this time to bliring it back up to the surface. First time it had to return to the surface quickly, it was because it reached its max depth. This sounds different. It probably is. Im not specifically related to what is going on. What i suspect is that because they brought it back up and they adjusted parameters to allow it to push the limits, to be a little bit lower, is probably going a little lower which can cause some technical difficulties with it. They probably expected that. Mary, what does this also reenforce for us that the challenges that the bluefin is facing down there . I think it reenforces that this could be a long time. In so many investigations, you know, sometimes youre able to find these black boxes just right away like the other one in the indian ocean, the south African Airways was two days. But the other was several months. Who knows which end of the spectrum this will end up on. The australians believe they are in the right place. This will take a long time and lots of patience with the crews. Lots of patience for everyone involved, especially the families waiting for an answer in some way, shape, or form here. At the same time as this could be a long process, david, were also hearing from Angus Houston that the air and surface search could be wrapping up in two to three days. What does that tell us, the fact that what does that tell us about where this search is moving because it seems like now its all under t water. Yeah. Well, in my mind that means two different things. One, its just so disburse that they are having a hard time finding anything. And thats possibly at this time because of all the weather thats gone through and everything else. They just dont see a return on investment there as far as time goes. So thats one possibility. The other is that theyre so certain that aircraft is is where they think it is because of those pings that theyre just going to focus the search on that. There are some clues found by the floating debris but i think theyre kind of think that it went down in bigger pieces than originally they thought. While this search has been going on for a long time now, mary, do you think its smart to be giving up the air and surface search at this point . Well, i do. I have to go with what a australians think they have under water because at some point they have to give up the search, the assets, the people, the human effort thats going into it. They really need to put their efforts elsewhere. If they believe, as they certainly have every indication that they are on the right spot, but if they believe they will soon be finding the plane they have a lot to do. Theyre going to have to get different crews in place. They have to shift their whole mot tiis operandi. They have to have the recovery and many human lives were lost. They have to switch gears to do that as well and those are huge jobs and they probably need the manpower for that. You have to retool and probably reship. Im just beginning to learn, david, what that process is going to entail. Weve been so focused on finding the black box, detecting the pings. The point after that is an arduous process of bringing the debris back up to surface and it quite dangerous, dangerous part of that operation when you get it on surface and move it on to dry land. Right . It is. On a land investigation you corder it off. When youre doing a recovery effort t from the sea its very easy to damage Critical Evidence that could tell us why this happened, what happened. So they have to be extremely careful, plus theyre going three miles down. Its like looking down from an airplane that youre in and saying thats where were getting this thing out of the ground. Thats how far we are. I want to also get both of your takes on the following, that the malaysian cabinet announced they agreed to set up and in their words an International Investigation team. And the Investigation Team will include three groups, airworthiness group, medical and human factor group. What does this tell you, mary . Well, this is very similar to whats said up in the United States by the ntsb. In fact, we set up far more committees than that. And the way we deal with an investigation of an air crash is anybody who can potentially have played a role in it, you know, boeing, the airline, air traffic control, they are partys to the investigation and they set up working groups. And here since malaysia has said they dont have the technical expertise, for example, to deal with the black box, its going to have to be an international team. So this is a very good development. You know, frankly, these teams are usually set up sooner than this, these committees. The fact they said its going to be an International Investigation and include many other countries bodes well for me because, one, theyre going to call on the experts they need prks and, too, it will help with transparency. Criticism to them about how secretive theyve been and information has come out in dribs and drabs. With an International Task force addressing it and many committees they will be much more transparent and that will help them in the long run. May be painful now but in the long run people will be able to have faith in their investigation. Thought on that david . I see more on that mary. I understand thats what theyre looking at is the approximate cause and this this accident. But i see that theyre reaching, what did we do systematically wrong, what kind of latent precursors can we prevent in the future . Whats wrong with us . Some way we can improve . That says a lot for the malaysian government understanding the problems they had and understanding how what its going to take to fix those problems. Important thing to happen in tandem with this plane at this time. David soucie, mary schiavo, thanks, guys. Kate, were monitoring the situation in south korea right now. Were going to have much more on the ferry disaster there. Its sinking. Its far deeper under water than what you see right there right now. Rescuers are t battling currents thats keeping them from getting inside the submerged vessel. They believe people could still be alive inside. Were going to take you from that story to ukraine because were being told its on the brink of civil war. A standoff in Eastern Ukraine between pro russian militants and ukrainian forces. How long before tensions do boil over . Well break it down with a former u. S. Assistant secretary of state. Predibut, manufacturings a prettin the United States do. Means advanced technology. 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Not your area of specific expertise but the dynamics are familiar. They did get 164 people out of the water so far. Thats good. There have been three confirmed deaths. Those numbers are very early. Were going to avoid them because this is says thats still ongoing. Heres what we understand. People on board say they heard a bump. Sounds like they must have hit something. The water here is very well charted and very deep. Thats unusual. They believe it could have been an explosion on board that gave that sensation. They were almost immediately told not to get into the rescue boats but to get into the water. The yellow sea very cold. Quickmoving currents. There was a Quick Response from the South Koreans. They brought amphibious vehicles out there. The water were told is 40 degrees fahrenheit. Very limited amount of survivoribility. U. S. Navy in the area brought an amphibious ship there. Theyve been told the stand down currently. From this point the ship then submerged. Lets start with the initial dynamics. Something like this happens. Its balance ability is lost. Its capsized. Horrific. Inside the ship, some people may be the first time on a ship. Trying to navigate inside the ship to get out is not easy. Thats right. Because everything, all of your orientation changes. Positively. Sliding around, furniture, people are panicking. Just absolutely positively horrific. The first good piece of nfgsz is they do seem to mostly have life jackets on. How big a difference will that make . Sure, that will help you in the water but in really cold t water it will keep you afloat but not necessarily keep you alive. I hate seeing Something Like this. Its horrible. We believe in lapsed time were trying to figure out how long it took to go from this position and where we believe it is right now, which is really just the underside of the bow is the only thing visible anymore. How long have you stay in water like that, 40 degrees, quickmoving current. Quickmoving current, 40 degrees, adrenaline quicks in. I dont know the numbers. Its not awfully long. So its certainly not hours. Thats for sure. Now, the task in a situation like this as we learned with the coast of concordia that the italian cruise ship there is to be able to get underneath. There are tons of air pockets in a vessel like this. The South Koreans are saying the currents are keeping their divers from going underneath if current is very dangerous for a diver, especially under water as you go deeper. They dont want to get swept into the boat. Make things worse. It looks like the ship is completely capsized here but theyve got this open up into the very base of the hull. Well that is a bor thruster port for a side moving engine. The good news is they still have that, means theres still air in the boat, something there for them to work. Cranes are on the way. They believe they will be able to salvage this vessel but not in time to help with the actual rescue. The downside of it being in this position is that you now have to go much deeper to get inside. Exactly right. Youve got to get in the water, down deep and then back up again. And just for the passengers that on the inside thats got to be horrible. Positively horrible. And now you have to start making assumptions. Obviously its easy to perish in a situation like this. Its hard to survive but people often b find that will in these more urgent circumstances. Because of the circumstances of the ships is it safe to say as long as theres enough air to keep buoyancy there could be air in the pockets inside as well where people have air pockets . Positively. One question is how stable is the ship in this position . Is it going to be stable floating like this or if the water depth is great enough, is the ship going to they believe its deep enough to take the entire vessel. It will go underneath, completely submerge. How much of a risk calculation is it in sending divers in Something Like this . What is the calculation to save a life versus risking your own . Good question. Thats where the heroes show up, right, when times are like this that youre going to take those risks to try to get people people out but certainly not an easy task because some of the divers, too, dont know their way around this vessel. They were saying that even though initially when it was just at 45 degrees roll it does make it almost like scaling a mountain to go down and come back up. Its not as easy as jumping on the boat and rescuing people. Right. Because the pathways, the hallways, doorways, everything is now different and theyve lost power. Its dark on the inside of the ship so its just one situation thats not not, you know, incredibly unpleasant to be in a place like this. Horrible. Horrible. 300 eunaccounted for at last report. People on board felt a burch, a big movement in the vessel and it had to be massive. Were calling it a ferry but really its a ship. They were told almost immediately to put on their life vests and get the water. Very unusual. Vessels is like this have rescue craft and different types of rafts and stuff like this type of situation. Sure. The only thing i can think of the they knew the ship was going to do a roll and sink its better to get out and take your chances on the surface than stay in the vessel itself. A lot of heavy equipment on deck as well. Things fell off and surrounding the water p that creates another obstacle to staying alive and not getting hit by something. Were going the take you through the information as we get it. 300 souls as we often say in air and sea situations, lives are at risk here. Well give you the latest as we get it. South korea seas. This is the yellow sea. Trying to find 300 people after this ferry capsized. Well give you the latest when we have it. David gallo, thank you very much. Coming up next on new day were going to continue to follow this situation as we monitor the search for the missing in south korea. But up next, the situation in ukraine is being described by Vladimir Putin as a country on the brink of civil war. Thats in his words. Pro russian supporters riding on tanks through city streets as the Ukrainian Government in the midst of what they call antiterrorism operation. Whats the next move and what can be done to calm the tension . Norfolk southern whats your function . Hooking up the country helping business run build were investing big to keep our country in the lead. Load we keep moving to deliver what you need. And that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. Cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey thats nice Norfolk Southern whats your function . Helping this big country move ahead as one Norfolk Southern hows that function . At your ford dealer think . They think about tires. And what theyve been through lately. 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Kate, where we are is on one of the roads to the town of where a town where prorussian militants and protesters have really consolidated their control in recent days. More so than other towns around here. Late yesterday we stau ukraine kran military move in closely to this town taking back a nearby airfield. Where im standing now there is a heavily armed well dug in police checkpoint. Checking all the vehicles moving through here. The contents of the cars and just around the corner what appears to be another Ukrainian Military staging point. A large number of ukrainian soldiers, armored personnel carriers. Military helicopters coming and going from this location including attack helicopters. The question now really is what is the intention of the Ukrainian Military. Are they planning, thinking about moving in and trying to take back this town by force because all the noise coming from within the town is of these proRussian Forces are prepared to fight back in a sign of just how complicated all of this is were now seeing images from within to show Armored Vehicles advancing forward under a russian flag. How is this possible . Well, according to ukrainian media, proRussian Forces have taken control of these vehicles. According to russian media, the ukrainian officers an soldiers have effectively flipped sides over to the prorussian side. So all very fast moving, very murky, very complex as we wait to see precisely what the next stage will be in this military operation against these proRussian Forces. Chris, back to you. Phil, thank you very much. Joining us on the giant map is farmer u. S. Assistant secretary of state, jamie, thanks for being with us. Lets do a little demystifying here first. ProRussian Forces. What is the chance that proRussian Forces are really just thinly masked Russian Forces on the ground . Theres probably two types of Russian Forces on the ground. One are the kinds of groups that went in the way they did in crimea several weeks ago without russian insignia on their shoulders but are russian, moscow generated special forces. The second category, which is whats making this complicated, is that over the years russia has infiltrated ukraines army. And so there are russian supporters inside ukraines army. When ukraine tries to conduct this operation theyre finding that some of their soldiers are not loyal to ukraine but are going to flip over t to the russians. Thats why its complicated. Thats different than organic rebellion going on and ukraine i dont knows who just want b to return to russia. Correct. Those are one of the reasons why ukraines military is so week and one of the reasons why they have chosen up to this point to avoid a real firefight with russia. In crimea they didnt fight. They did some amazing things. They stood back and allowed the russians to take it over. What were seeing now in Eastern Ukraine is that the Ukrainian Military are l. Fight for its territory. If they do we fear the russians have 40,000 forces on their border, will come in and have a proper war which we havent seen in europe in a decade. Mot much of a fight at that point, to be sure. Lets look at the current state of play. We believe that this operation thats going on thats being called intelligence operation but they have reclaimed two major cities, donetsk and the one thats next to it. This is where theyve been able to get a semblance of control but others two other major cities, lets show those now, that are supposedly under russian control. What does that mean that these places are under russian control . What it means is there are russian speakers in the town who support moscow and have now been russia, moscow, we believe, i believe, have sent special units inside the country. Theyve infiltrated the way they did in crimea. And are trying to stir up trouble, trying to create a situation where theres an imagined threat to all russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine. These are false claims. The u. N. Has just come out with a very important report yesterday, the united nations, an objective body went in to see whether is it really true that russians are at risk inside ukraine, are russian speakers being discriminated against, killed or anything. They discovered that there is no systemic repression of russians. So moscows basic charge that they are defending russians by doing all this has been rebutted by the united nations. There is no threat to russian speakers. Fundamentally what russia is doing is saying theres a concern here and theyre right because theyre creating it and getting the ben at this time of being the good guy in a situation where theyre creating it. Politics. Why do we care . Several reasons. Theres a human rights issue that will be going on here, sovereignty issue. Also, we look at the responsibles of nato. Ukraine not in nato but lets look at who is. There are some surrounding sister countries here, astonia, poland, latvia, they are all members of nato. They would be under the direct protection of that treaty. What do you believe the concern is . I think its very important to show these three country because what were seeing is that had they not been brought into nato, these three countrys,es tonia, latvia, and lithuania. They would be subto the same kind of preright now. Putin is trying to do across the former soviet union is take back as many areas that used to be part of the former soviet union as possible. We allowed estonia, latvia to join nato and we encouraged that. If we had not done so i believe the work that is being done now would be occurring in those countries. So people criticized nato enlargement but the truth is the more countries we enlarge, the less they are at risk because i dont believe putin will risk a confrontation with nato. One last quick political question here. Many ask why now, what has emboldened putin. In 2008 he went in jordan and killed people. That was under president bush. Is it fair to look at this situation and say, the weakness or perception of weakness of t president obama has given a window of opportunity to putin. I think whats fair to say is that over time the russian u. S. Relationship has broken down and the commitment of the west, not just the United States, but all of the west to these crucial princip principles, will borders be changed by force, can a slaughter occur in syria with no response, all of these crucial principles of International Affairs have been weakened over time of general willingness of a country in the west. Do you believe economic sanctions can end this at this point . I believe economic sanctions will make a difference over time but not unless were willing to do things that hurt ourselves. If europeans are not willing to risk their own businesses and were not willing to risk our own exports and business with russia then were not going to be able to cause any pain to russia. We have to say to ourselves, this principal of borders being changed by force is what world war ii was fought about. There is no higher principle in the International Affairs. And if were not prepared to give up something for that, were never going to be able to turn the russian policy around. Jamie reuben, thank you. Kate . Coming up next on new day, the urgent rescue operation under way off the coast of south korea. Hundreds of High School Students who were headed to a resort when their ferry sank in frigid waters. Searchers racing now against ts also ahead, its believed to be the biggest al qaeda gathering in years. The story behind this video and the threat made by the terror group. All stations come over to mission a for a final go. This is for real this time. Step seven point two one two. Verify and lock. Command is locked. Five seconds. Three, two, one. Standing by for capture. The most Innovative Software on the planet. Dragon is captured. Is connecting todays leading companies to places beyond it. Siemens. Answers. [ male announcer ] with nearly 7 million investors. Oh hey, neill, how are you . [ male announcer ]. 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Hes been on this story since it broke overnight. Andrew, thanks so much. This is developing minute by minute. What is the very latest youre hearing on the numbers. 300 uncatt unaccounted for is absolutely terrifying. We yeah, no, youre entirely correct. The latest ill give you the good news first. We have 167 persons rescued. This was confirmed to us by the coast guard. The bad news is, we have another figure to add to the body count. Four people now are confirmed dead. But most frighteningly, there are now 291 persons still unaccounted for in this breaking tragedy off the southwest coast of the Korean Peninsula in the yellow sea. Andrew, the reason that is of course also additionally terrifying is that the waters where they are right now are absolutely frigid. So if they are in the water, they are in grave danger and we have just been learning that rescuers have not been able to actually get inside of this ship because the currents are so strong. Can you describe, have you gotten an update on how the rescue operation is going on right now . Its ongoing so its changing minute by minute. What we do know is this. Yes, the waters are very cold as many people know, hypothermia is generally a greater killer than drowning in maritime accidents. That being said, it appears that the unt accounted persons are more likely to be inside the ship rather than outside it. There are so many vessels, fishing vessels, coast guard vessels, navy vessels, commercial vessels on the scene. There are aircraft, there are drones, there are helicopters above the scene. So anyone the water has probably been picked up. Bare in mind the situation has been under way for about 11 hours now. So if people are t in the water, i suspect they will have been fished out by now. The real worry is there are people trapped inside the hull and, again, the ship as we know, unknown reasons, was listing very, very, very heavily, then capsized and now all thats left of her is just the bow protruding belove the water. So navy divers, 174 guy, koreas best young man, s. E. A. L. Teams, salvage teams are diving with lifelines under and into the submerged hull. Whether anyone feasibly could be alived trapped in an air pocket, your guess is as good as mine. Fingers are crossed. Its our understanding that this is a very, very busy waterway. This is a typical route. This was a ferry vessel, albeit a very big one, that was on the water. But as we can see right now, a very dangerous and urgent rescue operation happening as we speak. Andrew, youve been on top of it all morning. Thank you very, very much. Chris . Kate, the good news is some of the vessel is still above t water, meaning that theres some air buoyancy there. Quick moving currents, the situation is moving rapidly and its difficult to get inside the ship to see if theres anyone to rescue. Lets bring in former Inspector General mary mary, ferries are not usually what you would be covering but you do have experience in what can happen in these type of situations. Lets go through big points. We hear from on board that there was a big bump. The ship started to list quickly after that. Were calling it a ferry but this is a huge craft. It really is a ship. There were almost immediate call toss abandon ship and jump in the water despite its temperature, 40 degrees out deeper into the channel, 50 degrees nearer shore. Dangerous temperatures. Your take . Well, when you hear a report of a bump and then also that water came in very fast. On a ferryboat what you think and its a busy shipping channel but its easy to get outside the channel if youre not paying attention. Thats what happened in valdez and other ferry accidents. And if it hits something and given the volume of water coming in you would expect that perhaps the doors through which cars and other vehicles can get off the ferry had failed. A couple ferry accidents thats what happened. They hit something and then as a chain reaction. Usually not just one thing. But that the doors failed and allowed a lot of water to come in after some other hit or problem happened first. We do know that this ferry was carrying as many as 150 vehicles. Youre talking about the door used to allow passengers to drive on . Those doors are not as strong as typical hatches . Well, the very strong but what can happen is if you have some other kind of a mishap. Here it sounds like they hit something. T got outside the channel and hit, you know, rocks or, you know, like the concordia, remember the ship in italy . As long as you stay in the channels there, dredge, very busy shipping lanes. If it did hit something i it could have damaged. Not that theyre not very strong. There are ferris all over the world. Often when that happens, yes, thats what happens, the doors fail. You mentioned the Costa Concordia in italy. We covered that one extensively. There there was an issue that they couldnt access certain life boat s because that was th side that was listing. What do you think of people were told to don their jackets and jump into the water . Well, it could be one of two things. One that they didnt have any life boats or rather life rafts. They wouldnt have life boats on a ship a short haul ship. Most likely they lad life rafts. Whatever happened happened quickly which makes me think they hit something that had an actual tear or hole in the boat or these big doors had failed and water was coming in quickly because to tell people to abandon ship, they had to fear the ship would go down so fast the people stayed on would be sucked down with the ship and would drawn. It appears since so many people are missing and theyre not floating in the water that thats what may have happened. In other words, its going down so fast and the water is sucking in that you cant fight your way out. Thats why they might have told them to abandon ship. Mary, thank you. Again in the interest of optimism with hundreds still unaccounted for the physics of the situation are still in the rescuers favor and those people who may be trapped on board because there is some boat still above water which means theres still air displacing it. Against them is time, its sinking quickly and in Quick Currents. Well let you know the latest when have it. Kate . Coming up next on new day, more on this breaking news as rescuers are desperately searching for hundreds of missing and trapped passengers off the coast of south korea. Well be live on the scene of the disaster. Also ahead, the video, a terrorism calls extraordinary. 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It was such a long winter some people can still argue still winter with this last snowfall we just saw this week. Detroit, michigan, flint, michigan, now ranked number unfor the snow yes seasons ever. Breaking records with this past winter season. The cold not only do we have snow but cold temperatures and the cold air filled to the south, even record morning lows. Michigan back down through texas, freeze warnings in effect down even into the southeast. Yes, i think you know if its cold in the morning its cold in the afternoon. Temperatures going almost 20 degrees cooler than we saw yesterday. Still okay. Were talking 50s. D. C. Not beautiful in the 70s. About 53 as we go through the afternoon. Keep in mind another system is going to be out there. Were going to track this guy. Its not expected to be as cold unless youre in the upper midwest. We are going to get heavy sfloe. South end of it theyre looking at heavy rain filling in by the gulf by friday or so. Yeah. A month later, still talking about snow. You didnt warn me about this. Tough new york. Surprise this morning. Hopefully a blip. A lot of cars covered, too. Impressive. Impressive, yes. Another adjective. Point of fact, it is your job, science, to tell us, to warn us about whats coming, not our job to warn you. Minor details. You know . Science, all the degrees and all that. You tell us. I dont know whats going on until i walk outside. Right now intelligence officials are pouring over a new al qaeda video of what could be the terror groups largest gathering in years. Cnn first broadcast news of the videos existence. It shows more than 100 fighters meeting in yemen. At the center, al qaedas second in command, brazenly vowing to destroy america with a report on this, cnns barbara starr. She broke the story. Shes at the pentagon this morning with more. Barbara . Good morning, chris. These fitders in yemen belong to the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate, Al Qaeda Group that has vowed to attack the United States. Its the largest and most dangerous gathering of al qaeda in years. And the cia and the pentagon either didnt know about it or couldnt get a drone there in time to strike. U. S. Officials will not say. But every frame is being analyzed. In the middle, the man known as al qaedas crown prince, nasir al wuhayshi, brazenly out t in the open, greeting followers. Man who says he wants to attack the u. S. Seemingly unconcerned he could be hit by an american drone. This is quite an extraordinary video. The leader of al qaeda on the arabian new, nas iral wuhayshi, number two with al qaeda worldwide addressing over 100 fighters somewhere in yemen taking a big risk in doing this. Reporter in his speech al wuhayshi makes clear he is going after the u. S. Saying we must eliminate the cross, the bearer of the cross is america. U. S. Officials believe the highly produced video is recent, with some fighters faces blurred, there is worry it all signals a new round of plotting. The u. S. Intelligence community should be surprised such a large group of al qaeda is assembled together including the leadership and somehow they didnt notice. Reporter theres good reason to worry. Al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, also known as aqap shs is considered the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate. The cia and pentagon have repeatedly killed apqa leaders. The main problem about this group is that it has a bomb mmar who can put bomb on planes that cannot be detected. Reporter that bombmaker is believed to be responsible for several attempts against the u. S. Including the failed 2009 Christmas Day underwear bomber attack. Awrite ham is the master bombmaker of this Al Qaeda Group, said to be behind several attempts to attack in the United States. You dont see him on this video. He remains in hiding, according to u. S. Officials. Chris . Who he is and what he is planning is something that certainly will be on everybodys radar now. Thank you, barbara starr, for breaking that story. Were following breaking news this morning of rescue operations under way right now after a ferry sank in south korea. Hundreds are missing. Also, the bluefin is back looking for flight 370. A lot of news to tell you about, a lot of news to tell you about, so lets get to it. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com a desperate rescue after a ferry sunk off south korea. Technical issue brought it to the surface. They downloaded the data. No found objects of interest. Appears to be the town which is now focal point to dislodge prorussian militants. These patients are fighting one of the deadliest diseases in the world, e. Coli. Good morning. Welcome back to new day. We welcome our viewers across the u. S. And around the world. We do have breaking news. Nearly 300 people are feared missing. Four dead. After a ferry carrying 459 people sank overnight off south koreas coast. Many passengers were High School Students. Take a look at the video here of the ship. It hit something were told. There is a sound of some type of bump. Then on its side and slid into the freezing waters there. Cnns Paula Hancocks joins us from south korea just miles from where the ship went down. Chris, its really a heartbreaking scene here. Were seeing all the families basically of those that are still missing assembling here outside this auditorium. Parents absolutely beside themselves. Theyre looking on this list behind me to see if their names of their children are on that list. That is the list of those who have been rescued. At this point, 162 have been rescued. 291 still missing. When they dont find their name on that particular list, then they break down. It is a devastating scene here. It is really very upsetting for these families. Darkness has now fallen and with darkness fallen so do the hopes that many more survivors if any could be found. 291 still missing, still possibly in the water, still possibly in that ship itself. We understand divers have been drying to get inside the ship but the strong currents have been preventing them from it getting inside. The search and rescue operation are still very much under way. One of the uss navy ships from the u. S. Seventh fleet is also helping out. Helicopters are trying to look to see if there are any other survivors. But at this point there are great concerns about those almost 300 still missing. Chris . Paula, what are the families being told about how this happened, where the ferry was . What details have they been given . Well, with know that the ferry at this point is 20 kilometers off the mainland. 20 kill meres from where we are now. It was on its way to a tourist hot spot, jeju island, the size of south korea. We heard from one of the students who was on board and managed to get off the boat that he said he felt a bump and then many people fell over. Then the ship started listing. And then it started to sink. They were basically given life jackets an told to jump t in the water. It is cold water. And we are hearing that really the chances of survival are really about two hours in that water. Its about 11 hours since the first distress signal went out. Chris . Paula, one last quick question. Any word about whether there were life rafts on board . Is there anything to do with doing that . This is a question weve been trying to find the answer to. But i think one of the things thats worth mentioning is the fact that this ship listed very quickly and it tilt very quickly and within a couple of hours that it tilted over completely and all you could see was the blue hull off the ship. So it completely turned over. It really was a quick sinking, that could have been part of the reason why they jumped in the water. But we dont know about the life rafts. We didnt see any from the pictures. Doesnt mean they werent there. Paula, listing, solid rationale there. Let us know what you learn there from the families. Horrible waiting gim game for them. As this rescue operation for these nearly 300 missing continues, they are facing a lot of variables there. There are the currents, very quick there. And the water temperatures themselves are going to be a major concern. Lets bring in meteorologist Indra Petersons for this. Good information from paula. She said the ferry was said to be 20 kilometers off the mainland. Unfortunately thats not good news. The water is cooler. The water temperature, sea surface temperature. When youre closer to south korea its, those temperatures are very cold. Were talking about just in the range of the 40s. They do quickly rise up to the 50s by time you get to the island just offshore they were trying to get to but being closer to the shoreline the temperatures are cold and people will not be able to stay warm for long periods of time if they are in the water. Another thing are the currents and the wave heights. Generally lower in this region. That is a little piece of good news but keep in mind its the undertow, the strong currents that a lot of people are concerned with. What were afraid of is the currents could be stronger farther down south. But just around the tip of the island, the currents are not that strong even undernoot tnoot the water. Its the water temperatures theyre going to have to deal with first. Kate . Thank you. Lets talk more about really i think whats important to talk about here is the challenges that the searchers are up against at this moment. Lets bring in david gallo who is coleader of the search for flight air France Flight 447 and director of special projects. Were all watching this unfold all together. One of the most urgent situations right now is the rescuers. Right. One of the big problems theyre up against right now is the currents. Indra was talking about the challenges of the water temperatures as well. They have not been able to get inside the vessel yet because of the strong currents. What are these rescuers up against . Theres that. Theres how to get into the vessel and then how to work with the dournts get into the vis sell and the vessel sinking at the same time. Theyre up against every sort of obstacle. You know, not knowing exactly their way around the ship, too, they have to worry about that. Once they have access to the ship, then what . Its dark on the inside, its just an absolutely, positively horrific situation. Its nightmarish for anyone who has been on a boat and spent time on a boat. Nep especially in a case like this where people are stuck inside. The ship is sinking. Inside people are now standing on the ceiling rather than on the floor. David, when Something Like this happens with such a big vessel, you would think that this would happen slowly, gradually, allowing for time to deploy rescue craft and to get everything kind of get off in an organized fashion. It sounds like that is not what happened here. People were given their life vest and told to jump into the water and abandon ship as quickly as possible. We havent really seen any life boats out. Where are they . I saw some video earlier that showed life boats still on deck about 12 of them still, life raft sglsz what does that tell you . Its hard to say because the crew, hopefully, heapfully leadership on board to tell you what to do. I heard there was an order to abandon ship, jump in the water. Not to move because its dangerous to move. Some people were told to stay still. That doesnt help the situation when youve got people in panic. They need to have someone to say this is exactly what to do. And the crew, you dont know if the crew is experienced, if theyre just relatively new to the ship. So have they practiced this is life boat drill before. This kind of situation is one of the worst situations you can be in, where the ship is on one side. Its tough to get off the other side because its under water. This side youre way up in the air and the ship is on its side. Dealing with abbreviated time frame. They probably dont assume they have to get out as quickly as they did. Thats right. We have no information yet really about what happened, how this all unfolded. Trying to figure out whats going on in the little bit. First of all they need to find where people are. Right. From your experience, what is the deciding factor in how to successfully escape a horrific situation like this versus the opposite . Sadly, its all having a plan ahead of time and normally ships do, especially ferries. But having the passengers that have they always tell you where the life rafts are, where the life preservers are. These are the doors you go out. But often, people normally dont listen to that. Theyre more to focused on where am i going. Anything working in their favor at this point . No, its horrific. Getting off the ship and now youre in this water which is deadly as well. The cranes we were told they are going to be brought in to right to ship and get it out of the water theyre not going to be able to get there until friday. Thats not going to help. It just seems like that too long. So whatever rescue has got to happen has got to happen right up front in the next few hours. Its not as i said, its just a horrific situation. Unfolding right before our eyes. David gallo, thank you. Chris . Lets take a quick check on the search for flight 370. Right now turn manned mini sub, the bluefin21, is back in the water scanning the indian ocean floor. Thats good. But it has had issues. Thats bad. It had to be pulled back out of the water for what theyre calling, quote, technical trouble. Lets bring in former faa inspector david soucie. They anticipate having problems here. They dont know what theyre dealing with under water. What do we know about the problems theyre having . Literally uncharted territory here. They are in an area that may not have been designed for necessarily. They knew when they exceeded the limits. Remember yesterday we were talking about they had to bring it out because it was too deep. Now theyve said weve reprogrammed it, changed our r paramet parameters. Now theyre operating in a touchy area. I think theyre anticipating they would have mechanical issues or experience something new. People dont understand how easily also and damaged, especially that depth, if you hit anything, the pressure is so great that it immediately damages the vehicle. You lose it and who knows how long it takes to get another one. Thats right. Something came out that to me is more of an advance of this story than anything going on with the bluefin. Word from the malaysians that they will put together an International Investigative team to look into the 777 itself, what is known, take a second look at all the data, do fresh analysis about why this may have happened. Thats good news, isnt it . It is to me. You know, after the air alaska accident and after the airbus 300 in the northeast, the nick sabbatini was the associate administrator aft faa and decided, we need to look at ourselves. Faa, how did we contribute, is there something we could do better within our organization. And thats what this is about, i believe. There are teams already set up to talk about what happened on this particular accident, the approximate cause issues, things that could have prevented the accident before it happened, things like absb, could have prevented it at the last minute. But what made it happen in the first place . What kind of vulnerabilities are we looking at systematically. And that is really, really advanced thinking. Its really advanced. The faa only recently started doing . Part human nature, part how thin vest gators frankly have spun this story. We are drawn to conspiratorial. But isnt it the case that more often than not what makes a plane go down is the plane itself . That its not going to be about the pilots or something nefarious, its going to be about more likely these warnings that were out about the 7 77 that you guys have been talking about from the beginning about different structure cracks and problems with the wings, et cetera. Right. People will fault me for saying this because everybody thinks pilot error is the single most common cause and it is for the approximate cause. Because theyre the last person that could have prevented the accident before it happened. Approximate cause meaning the last thing in the chain of causation. Right. Lat tent causes are the causes that are way up the chain. Management, reducing training budgets. Well, thats going to have an affect. Its going to put a pilot in a vulnerable position. These are the kinds of things that i say that malaysians are now working on, malaysian government. They see their faults. Its always more important, i think, people make mistakes. Its part of learning process. But to then reevaluate yourself and have the hutzpah to say, here, international community, we can learn more, we know we can learn more about you about how to do this better. Defects in aircraft, bad handoffs in towers. All relevant. David soucie, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Kate . Following breaking news also out of ukraine. Tensions with prorussian supporters hitting a new high across the country. Ukraine is now trying to secure the release of two kidnapped soldiers and armed protesters have taken over a Mayors Office in Eastern Ukraine. Also this morning, tanks bearing russian flags rolled into the city of slaviansk. Thats where we find nick pay torn waon the walsh with the latest. Nic . Kate, behind me what you are seeing is one of those many pro sorry, ukrainianarmed vehicles which seem to have changed hands a few hours ago. That has now had ukrainian soldiers go into it, take out their stuff and now loading up with prorussian militants. Let me tell you how we got here. We saw ukrainian troops move around in Armored Vehicles. Some moved into the town south of me. Met a lot of low cat resistance. And then some lou pretty fast those armed personnel carriers changed hands. Then they came in slaviansk with the russian flag and ukrainian parra troop unit from ukrainian soldiers defected or surrendered, not sure, are inside the building behind me being fed lunch. Some have come out to the vehicle behind me, taken out the staff and now you will hear a chant in the crowd, prorussian crowd, as the armor we personnel carrier begins to move away. These pictures are the Worst Nightmare for the kiev central government. Theyre we seeing here the force they sent in to take on these prorussian militants effecti effectively giving up their armor within hours of being here. Now these prorussian militants moving this vehicle out. Let me tell you a little bit more about who they are. Some of them extraordinarily well trained, good modern weapon weaponry. Serious modern repry. Some of them. Others seemingly more local, less well equipped. One of them telling me in fact hes from crimea, the part of ukraine moscow now considers part of russia that changed hands a manner of weeks ago. Seems here quite we remarkable because people have been wait f Ukrainian Government response. Feels very calm here. We wouldnt have been able to do this broadcast like this to you a couple of days ago. People i think really feel now the tensions has past. Perhaps a moment over. Really what happens now, does this stay part of ukraine or a separate republic or part of russia. Those are the big questions. But this armor changing hands without violence quite a nightmare for the kiev central government. That was going to be my question for you, nic. Its unbelievable that you can be broadcasting standing right there and this tank changing hands right behind you. This seems really unbelievable. But not atypical i guess from what youve been seeing on the ground, right . Well, i mean, this tank was already under control of prorussian. But you saw him go in and take his stuff. It shows the relations between the two sides here are reasonably relaxed. Certainly the ukrainian soldiers, we saw them yesterday going around the countryside, the farmland here, theyre not particularly well equipped at all. So much more last decade to the new stuff the russians have been given. Noting looking like its possible there will be a ukrainian russian cooperation. It seems to have happened here, this town is calmly now it seems in the hands of these prorussian militants. We spoke to the mayor outside the office here, the new mayor. He said the ukrainian soldiers had in fact not defected by surrendered. Being fed inside this building here. Its bizarre how the new reality is taking grip here quite so fast and quite absent the Ukrainian Government here. Nick paton walsh, thank you so much. We will check back in with you. Lets get over to Christine Romans for the top stories. 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What is your take about who is causing the trouble in ukraine . Absolutely. I agree. The media war is rampant. Its really difficult most of all to confirm whats coming from the ground. Anymore moscow myself. There are lots of video. Lots of accusations on social media, especially. Its really hard to confirm. Last night we had video of tanks rolling across ukraine towards the east. We had reports of gunfights, four people reportedly killed. Thats really difficult to confirm. But the rule of the game thats been set up is basically that everything that comes out of russia is automatically deemed russian propaganda. Everything thats coming out of kiev is automatically takings a fact. Thats where it becomes really difficult, because certainly the for reason ministry here in moscow and even the kremlin, some of their statements have been very calm, to the point, yes, but they try to base them on facts whereas the stuff coming out of kiev is also really difficult to verify. And youre very own reporter i was listen on the ground talks about that, talks about how much misinformation and different information is coming out of Eastern Ukraine at the moment. Yes. And take that point into context, not painting you as a sympathizer of russia, necessarily. Youre a new york native. Youre from america even though youre in russia now so your perspective is going to be an interesting balance of what your influence is. Cnn has the benefit of so many assets on the ground. We as reporters have the benefit of the u. N. High commission on human rights. What we get is the picture thats that whats coming out of russia about whats causing this tension is either inaccurate or, by russias own hand. Either by infiltrating ukraine army or having these prorussian sympathizers that may be thinly masked russian military. It seems that blame should be on the russian side, doesnt it . Theres absolutely no evidence that those socalled masked infiltrators are russian. First of all, our reporters on the ground spoke to many of them. They showed us their ukrainian passports. Yes, they associate themselves closely with russia because they speak russian. They dont speak ukrainian. They have ties to russia. Nick patton walsh on the ground yesterday, hes saying that there are no signs. Cnns very own correspondent, that these people are russian or even affiliated with russian any more than the sense that they speak russian and that they feel like their rights as a minority in the country, even though in the east theyre basically the majority, are being undermined by the illegal government in kiev. You have two counter points. One, most of the country speaks russian for purposes of what happened while they were part of the soviet union. So who speaks russian isnt dispositive on who is sympathetic to russia, necessarily. And from the beginning well, kiev and russia were one country for 300 years. Wasnt just the soviet union. 300 years, it was one country. Right. But the point stands, speaking russian is not a great indicator of whether youre sympathetic with russia. It could be because of these 300 years of history. From the beginning, our reporters when asking these people who had weird uniforms on that just seemed to be missing a russian insignia, they were identifying themselves as russia. We also know that a lot of the reports about, and its here in the human rights report from the u. N. , unless you want to say the u. N. Is also wrong, that reports were exaggerated, that things were wrong, that it was misinformation about what russia was putting out about what was causing civil tension. Do you dismiss the human rights report from the u. N. . Yeah, i read those reports from the u. N. I thought they made some good points. They pointed out that the attacks on people who do associate themselves with russia were happening. They were not as wide spread as some of the russian journalists were reporting. Perhaps thats true. But lets not forget that the right sector in kiev, they would have never been able to take over the government without their help. First of all. Second of all, the party in the government right now, openly associates itself with hitler, openly has slogans saying that russians should burn in hell. For a country that also 30 Million People fighting fascists in world war ii, any kind of indication that ukraine is going there is is scary to them and theyre not going to sit by and be silent. Understandable point of why russia would have a very specific and sensitive interest in what happens in ukraine. But do you understand why thats a very different posture than saying we will influence what happens in ukraine sfl we will put our troops on the border, we will take crimea . You know, theres a difference between fearing what ukraine does as a sovereign and then deciding to invade ukraine because youre afraid of whats going to happen. Big difference. Lets not forget that russia has not invaded ukraine. Russia does have a border with ukraine and there are military fields, military warehouses right on the ukrainian border. Yes, there are military hardware there. They havent crossed the border. I think its important to not misinform people that some kind of invasion is taking place at the moment. That is not happening. What is happening what happened in crimea . You have nato just todays are muse sensaiing that nato is sending more fighter jets to romania, you have fighter troops in romania. You have f15s in the baltics in the north. If you want to talking about military buildup, we should look at both sides, is what im saying. Absolutely. Thats what were doing. But when you look at crimea, its hard to see something short of an invasion. When you talk about why theres a military buildup, well, certainly the west doesnt want one. It fears having anything that stops the flow of natural gas and the economic exchanges that are going on with russia right now. They dont want it. Thats why sanctions have not been put in place sooner. Certainly you know as a u. S. Person in your background and as journalist that the u. S. Is war weary, certainly the u. S. Doesnt want an Armed Conflict here. So you must come to the conclusion that any war weary . The u. S. Spends more money on military on its military than 16 biggest military budgets in the world. I wouldnt call the u. S. Military weary. But if you want to want me to answer your question about crimea. I dont think its fair to label it invasion. Thats what the Mainstream Media did. I think it was misinformation. Again, i watched cnn the day before the referendum. There were reports on your very own channel object how majority of the population there wanted to peacefully vote to become part of russia. No violence occurred. Listen, i understand what youre saying. As you know, the leader of russia or the de facto leader of the ukraine says hes open to a referendum but its got to be done on their own terms as a sovereign. And the real concern is this. We all remember what happened in 2008 in georgia. The only real material difference right now between georgia and here is that georgia decided to fight back and when they did it gave an opening for russia to go there n. And there was a lot of bloodshed. This time the ukraine kept its hands up and said we will not use force. Hopefully that holds because we do not want to see more bloodshed. I think Going Forward we have to be very careful in seeing what is propaganda and what is in the influence of russia versus just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the unknown on the ground because we all know the next couple of steps down the road could be very dangerous ones. Thats why this conversation is important. Appreciate you having it with us, anissa. Thanks so much for having me. Kate . Coming up next on new day, its a race against time truly. Rescuers desperately trying to find nearly 300 missing people, many believe to be teenagers after a ferry in south korea sud difficult sank in frigid t waters. Well look at what challenges rescuers are facing. Were going to look at mitt romney, why he has political insiders raising their eyebrows. vo you are a business pro. Maestro of project management. Baron of the buildout. You need a permit. To be this awesome. And you. Rent from national. Because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. And go. And only national is ranked highest in car rental Customer Satisfaction by j. D. Power. aaron purrrfect. vo meeeow, business pro. Meeeow. Go national. Go like a pro. At your ford dealer think . They think about tires. And what theyve been through lately. Polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. So with all that behind you, you might want to make sure youre safe and in control. Ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle. Get up to 120 in mailin rebates on four select tires when you use the Ford Service Credit card at the big tire event. See what the ford experts think about your tires. At your ford dealer. Welcome back to new day. Lets get to inside politics on new day be w. John king. Good morning, john. Good morning to you. A lot of ground to cover. Lets go. So share their reporting, politico, Jonathan Martin of the New York Times. Mayor bloomberg was on the today show and said they were going to tike antigun groups and merge them into organization. He will spent 50 million or more if thats what it takes to promote new laws for more background checks and more gun control measures. Lets listen to the mayor moments ago. And if you want to know how tough this is, go to one of the funerals and you look at the parents, look in their eyes and you will see what real tragedy is and why we really have to do something. That is his answer to how hard it will be politically to take on the nra. Michael bloomberg saying we need to put fear not just into the nra but the politicians to get these into laws. Hes going to learn a lesson, he spent a lot of money on tv ads in the last generation. Success . Im not convinced. If youre taking this message back home to folks who really see gun ownership as part of their culture, tried into tradition, things that they share with their families, its a hard argument for people who see this seriously. Theres a political argument to be made in washington but convincing foe ining families a going to be tough for mayor bloomberg. More background checks is the safest part that even more gun owners say theyre open of that conversation. As mayor is evolved in this fight, do they get that midtown manhattan is not the same as West Virginia or arkansas oral has a . He does in his head but obviously in his heart he wants to make change on thissish and thats why hes putting more of his fortune in. People will be fascinated to watch this year, does his money have adverse impact on democrats and could that potentially hurt the democrats in their attempt to keep the Senate Majority. The tension between harry reid, Michael Bloomberg could be a fascinating story line to watch this year. Watch where they get involved and how high profile they get involved in criticizing democrats. You started this conversation a few weeks ago. What is mitt romney up to . Now all of a sudden not only do we see a lot of mitt romney, interviews especially during the ukraine crisis, but a lot of buzz in political circles that said i got a call from a mitt romney fundraising, leaving the door open to 2016. Look at mitt romney here. This is not is surprise. Mitt romney appearing in a republican primary ad in the state of idaho supporting congressman mike simpson. Lets listen to this. The stakes are very high in this election because washington spending is out of control. You can take it from me, the conservative choice for congress is mike simpson. Now, a bit of a risk there in the sense that he has a tea Party Challenge so mitt romney is getting involved in a republican civil war. Lets look at this. Josh, romney tweeted this out yesterday. It was tax day yesterday. We are led to believe here that thats mitt romney, a very wealthy man, i dont begrudge him his waeltealth, he earned i. In line at the post office dropping off his taxes on tax day. Im going to guess hes got a tax preparer, what is this about . Mitt romney, i think if you take all of these things together what youre seeing is mitt romney searching for a way to define himself after the 2012 election. I think thats probably not a question but hes trying to figure out how does he define his legacy and what does he do to define any potential political future for any of this children who might be interested there. I was just in touch with somebody close to romney who said this is part grudge. Remember in the last campaign the Senate Majority leader harry reid raised questions about does mitt romney pay his taxes. Part grudge and part fun they say, that he just want to get this out there. When you talk to republicans, every now and then, a weird undercurrent going on. He wants to stay in public life. Probably not going to run for office again. But i think he wants to have a role in the part. He does not want to be a nominee who becomes disappear and sort of a soviet style way from the puck chur after they lose a national race. I think he will stay in the conversation. And in idaho where the ad was cut he has a strong following. Idaho is a heavy mormon state. Romney can do good there for mike simpson. As more him standing in line at the post office, maybe he had stamps to get, too, sglon and picked up stamps. Lets call this one a cleanup on aisle 5. Rand paul, a potential 2016 candidate as well, the son of ron paul. So because of that, because of his libertarian leanings, because hes the son of ron paul, just about anything rand paul says on Foreign Policy gets extra scrutiny not just from democrats but from republicans. Theres a big debate in the Republican Party right now. Heres rand paul talking about sanctions on iran with abcs john carl a while back. Ive repeatedly voted for sanctions against iran. I think all options should be on the table to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. People who say, by golly, we will never stand for that, they are voting for war. Thats april 13th. Pick up the Washington Post today, and this is what you read, op ed from rand paul trying to clean this language up again. To be against a we will never contain iran resolution is not the same as being for containment of a nuclear iran. If Foreign Policy is complicated and doesnt fit neatly on a Bumper Sticker, headline, or tweet. Why does he get such immediate scrutiny . Youre right that he is defined so strongly on this particular area by his father ron paul and what he has said and done and, frankly, rand paul is an outlier in a lot of ways from the modern Republican Party. I think he makes a smart point there by saying this is something you can explain in 140 character or a Bumper Sticker topic. In order to appeal to voters at a time when Foreign Policy is a more dominant force in the news, whats happened in the ukraine and syria, hes going to find out how to make his views accessible and intelligible for people when we have a passing sense and dont follow it as closely as the three of us do. He makes news and criticized and irably coming back and making point of clarifying his point. In rand pauls defense, part of the reasons why his words are scrutinized so much because the hawkish wing of their party two years agay whey from the next campaign is rarely being aggressive with him and coming after him in ways that are visible and in ways that are not so visible. Building a threat, building an organization. Absolutely. Yesterday morning we talked about this ad, Mary Landrieu in a tough reelection battle. I pointed out the ad because shes bragging about her political clout in washington. Well, some others have scrubbed the ad more closely and realize not everything you see is real. Mary landrieu using a Senate Hearing in the new ad, youre not allowed to do that by senate rules. Look at this. Do you think that there are a bunch of fairy godmothers out there that just wish a magic wand . Thats the Senate Hearing. Do we have the actual ad . Do you think there are a bunch of fairy godmothers out there that just wave a magic wand . She wished a magic wand at the hearing, she waved one in the recreation. I get the fact that senate rules prohibit you from using the actual footage. If youre doing to recreate it do you have an obligation to put a little reenactment or something up there . Interesting because the average voter doesnt know about the senate rules change or all the back story behind this. Shes criticized for using actors in this ad. Shes trying to show her clout. Harry landrieus is running on washington, so to speak, is actually blowing up in her face because there are so many details that are not true. Look at the name placard in front of her. Not what we are youed to we soing in a Senate Hearing. Like mitt romney may be trying too hard . For the folks back in louisiana who will see that ad they will probably never know theres a flub there. We all want to do that, right . When were done with live television, fix our hair, get the makeup just right. I was going to say the same thing. I dont think its fair for us to criticize because many moments on live tv we would like to wave or wish a magic wand and row recreate. Even in context with all the disassemb disassemblying correcting a grammatical mistake in a commercial,s that okay. A lot of other stuff to deal with. And misdemeanor, not a political felony. None. The arbiter of justice. Thanks, john. Coming up next on new day, the latest on this rescue mission. Just look at this ship. Rescue mission is under way to find hundreds of people still many believed to be teenagers who are missing after a ferry sank overnight off south koreas coast. And the ebola virus, its ripping across west africa. Were going to take you to a treat ward there. Were going to check in with sanjay gupta. Hes live in guinea. Then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. I was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. Im going to have to rethink this thing. 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I want to go over, i just saw this on reuters. One passenger described the impact like this to reuters. It was fine, then the ship went boom and there was a noise of cargo falling. Does that suggest that they hit something under water or that something malfunctioned with the ferry itself . Well, it could be either. Another passenger described it as a bump. So if they hit something that would have meant they were out of the channel which is quite easy to do while its a vast expanse of water. What people dont see when they look at the glassy expanse is underneath there are intricate and detailed channels maintained. If it got out of the channel it could have hit something. Its also very common to have an engine failures, explosions, those kinds of things on the ship particularly in the engine room. And it would have sounded like some kind of a boom or an impact sound. But that probably alone wouldnt account for the sinking this quickly. It probably was Something Else then happened off and on ferryboats when you have quick sinkings or taking on water, the doors through which vehicles can enter the ship sometimes fail. And its not that the doors are weak per se, its just that often when you have some kind of an event on a ship, and they turn sideways or they have any kind of damage to the hull, that those doors can then be damaged and can fail. Some of the ferry accidents in the United States have involved that. Some kind of a chain reaction, not just one thing happening but catastrophic domino effect because according to the New York Times there were some 150 cars on this fe y ferry. Right. And it sounds like it was, of course, very heavily loaded. So if you had any kind of a breach in the hull and it started taking on water, that would also account for the order for them not to get to get the life rafts out or to take time to get in life boats but to immediately jump ship because if you have some kind of breach where water is coming in quickly the physics of the event are such that you may not be able to get out. Once it starts taking on water theres a sucking, theres a motion that just makes it impossible to fight. So the order to abandon ship might have indicated that that this event was occurring. Its almost like a suction that occurs when the water starts coming on. And you cant fight it. Its hard. Its not unusual when youre dealing with such a catastrophic situation, there seems to be still conflicting reports what passengers were told. Told by some passengers they were told to jump in the water, abandon ship, take on their life jacket. I also see reports of some passengers saying that the onboard announcement told people to stay put and this passenger believing that the people who stayed are the ones who were trapped. Yes. And there may have been both. The problem with an i dont know anything about this particular ferry company. But if they havent practiced and they dont know the commands and they arent coordinated then you get conflicting commands. Some will say put on the life vest and stay put. Some will say, go back to your assigned area, your passage area, wherever youre assigned. And so there can be a lot of confusion in an event like this, particularly if what happened was so catastrophic, you know, for example, say the doors did fail or the hull was breached and it was taking on water quickly. You know, a lot of people instead of following the set rules, lots of different people giving lots of different orders. And that is pretty common when things are happening quickly. It does definitely suggest that things happened very quickly, mary. Were looking at some of the video that was coming in and you see some of the life rafts still on deck in the early moments before the ship had really completely submerged under water. So many questions, mary. Stick with us. We will check back in with you as we get new details coming out lets take a quick break. On new day, a silent killer on the move in west africa. The Ebola Outbreak hitting the city of guinea, a city of 2 million. Our dr. Sanjay gupta is there. W milkbone brushing chews. Whoa, im not the only one. Its a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. Clinically proven as effective as brushing. Ok, here you go. Have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth . The twist and nub design cleans all the way down to the gum line, even reaching the back teeth. They taste like a treat, but they clean like a toothbrush. Nothing says you care like a milkbone brushing chew. 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We found traffic busy, markets full, children, lots of children still smiling. As scary as ebola is, its not particularly contagious. It doesnt disperse easily through the air and people dont typically spread it until they are sick, really sick. When that is the case, the patients are not up Walking Around on the busy streets. They are down in bed, in hospitals or worse. Even the dead are highly contagious. The story unfortunately, always the same. Reporter dr. Pierre rollin has helped trace Ebola Outbreak for 30 years. The risk is not the people doing with patient not thinking of ebola. Reporter it only takes a small amount of the virus anywhere on your skin to cause an infection. As i learned, no precaution is too small for the doctors who care for these patients. Nothing gets in. Nothing gets out. Reporter tim jacque jag tech is one of the doctors without borders. Hes from canada, comes into these settitings weeks at a tim. Not married, no children. 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Officials say nearly 300 people are unaccounted for at this hour and at least four people are dead. Most of the passengers on board were High School Students. Lets get to Paula Hancocks in engine dough, south korea with the details. Reporter im standing outside the auditorium which has turned into the staging point for the rescuers bringing the survivors, at least earlier this morning when the survivors were still coming. This now is where were seeing heartbreaking scenes of parents arriving of those hundreds of students who are still missing. There is a list behind me that you can see. If we have a look at it now, its basically showing the names of those who have been rescued. Parents are turning up here desperately scouring those names, looking for their childs name. Of course, when they dont see their childs name there, they are breaking down in tears. An absolutely heartbreaking scene that were seeing here. We know at least 74 students that did survive were brought to this auditorium. Some were taken on to hospital if they were injured. Many have gone home. But 291 people are still missing. We do know the search and rescue operation is on going. The coast guards tell us nothing has changed just because darkness has fallen. Theyre still intensifying their efforts to try and find anymore survivors. Of course, it is a worrying situation at this point for those trying to find survivors. We know those waters are very cold and we know from the coast guard earlier on on this friday when it was still light and there was still hope, they said people could survive up to two hours in the water itself. Kate . You can only imagine how desperate parents are behind you trying to find the name of their child. Theyre waiting there for any news. Are you hearing anything at this point about how this happened, what may have caused such a huge ferry to start sinking, paula. Reporter what weve been hearing from a student on board is that he heard a loud bumping sound. He said many people fell over on impact. Thats when some people were injured. He said then the ship started to list. They were given life jackets and told quite quickly to get into the water. It was only a matter of hours before this very large vessel actually started to sink. It listed dramatically to start with. For a couple hours, all you could see once it flipped over was the blue top or bottom of that ship, the rest submerged. We know o divers have been down there trying to get into the ship to see if they can recover anybody. There are strong currents down there. Theyre finding it difficult to try to find any survivors. We know there were a lot of navy ships plucking people out of the water. Also local fishermen were getting in their boats and trying to help the effort. We do know there were life boats as well. We could see that had people filled. The worry is some people couldnt get to the deck in time before that ship sank. Chris, back to you. Paula, thank you very much. As were seeing from the videos, the orientation is all off. Theyre literally having to scale it like a mountain in the yellow sea. Joining us is peter boynton, a retired captain from the u. S. Coast guard. Can you hear us, professor . Yes, i can. So just to review this Current Situation one on board says they feel a bang, theyre told to abandon ship. It sound like they hit something. Fair appraisal . I think so. Initial report that some type of a load impact, so either hitting something or something very significant inside the ship going wrong, whether that was shifting of cargo or some other internal damage. But it does sound from initial reports it was more likely that something was struck. Was somewhat overcast. We were told this portion of the yellow sea, the channel thats dredged is very deep. But alongside that channel there are shallow areas where there could be structure that could damage the ship. Is it easy to lose the channel . It certainly has happened before. Weve seen incidents in the last several years with well equipped ferries and cruise ships that go out of the channel. The other indicator, and theres initial reports and we always have to be careful because the information can change. But the speed with which this ferry began to list and then roll oever on its side suggests significant damage to cause flooding, that would cause a vessel over this time to quickly roll onto its side. Thats a result of significant damage. 500 feet long. Were calling it a ferry. But really its the same size as many cruise ships. We also no complicating its ability to take on water could be these inventory doors because it carries cars. Were told as many as 150 could be on board and they, once breaches, can dump water inside very quickly. Yes . Also with auto ferries, its typical that theres a large auto deck, and once that area is breaches, its typically open to very significant flooding. Again, were still going on initial reports here. But that could explain why the ferry in just a matter of hours began to roll onto its side so quickly. The other thing that i think is notable here, again, based on initial reports is that there appears to have been a very significant and Rapid Response with scores of boats, many helicopters out there quickly. And i think with the very cold temperature of the water, that will likely prove to have been a big factor in the lives that were saved. Right. They are dealing with low water temperatures. Were told about 40 degrees in this area, 20 kilometers or so off the mainland. It gets colder as it goes away from land. And theyre also hampered by very Quick Current there is which is making it difficult for divers. The opportunity would be to get inside and find air pockets that must exist if theyre able to sustained some buoyancy as some of the ship is still above water. How does that compromise your ability to dive if youre dealing with those currents . Its a number of factors. The cold water temperature is a challenge for the divers as well. The currents make it extremely difficult. Earlier reports are that water visibility is very low. Its not going to be helped by the fact that its nighttime there now. So the underwater challenges are very, very significant and pose i would think tremendous risk for the people who im sure are doing their best to help under very challenging conditions with the current, the low visibility and the low temperature of the water. Among the missing, we believe hundreds are students. On the upside that means youd have young, healthy, strong people. On the downside people more prone to panic. I guess the best hope is that there are a lot of air pockets in there. If the ship can stay up, maybe theres survivable space inside . Thats certainly a hope. I know everyone is hoping for the best outcome here. It is possible that there are air pockets inside some of the compartments. The temperature will lead to hypothermia quickly. The other thing to keep in mind is that once the ship goes on its side or flips over, its tremendously disorienting, everything is sideways or upside down. Youre no longer walking on decks or floors, youre walking on bulk heads or walls or even trying to move along an inverted ceiling. Its most likely that either the emergency power is shorted out. If thats the case, then its darkness inside. So tremendously disorienting conditions and enormous challenges for the people doing their best to respond. Very, very challenging conditions. With maybe as deep as 100 feet or more under water. There are a lot of challenges. Well keep optimism as the priority in the absence of reporting to the contrary. Thank you very much. The search for flight 370, right now bluefin21 is skinning the indian ocean floor looking for any sign of plane debris. Earlier the device was forced to resurface because of technical issues. Lets get to Erin Mclaughlin with the latest developments on the search from perth, australia. Good morning once again, erin. Reporter good morning, kate. Weve been pressing authorities here in perth for more information about the nature of that Technical Glitch which forced bluefin21 up to the surface early. Authorities have been pretty tight lipped about it. We do know they brought bluefin21 on board the ocean shield, downloaded the information. They didnt see any objects of interest. Crucially they were able to put it back in the water to continue its mission. There have been lots of questions about whether or not bluefin21 is up to the task at hand given it is operating in the upper reaches of its depth capacity, capacity that has been revised. Engineers analyzing the equipment. They now believe it can operate at some five kilometers beneath the ocean surface, instead of the original 4. 5, but it would need to be reprogrammed. I think its important to realize here that operating in waters this deep is a very difficult task under any circumstances. Theres a tremendous amount of treasure exerted on the under water submersible. Theres not a lot known about the floor of this particular ocean. They believe its rolling, possibly flat, but theyre not absolutely certain. Then you have the silt complicating the picture. Theres a lot of pressure on bluefin21 both literally and figuratively as it continues its mission. Kate . A slow, painstaking process playing out before our eyes. Lets bring in cnn safety analyst and former faa inspector david soucie. Good morning once again, david. As erin was pointing out, forced to resurface after two lets not call them failed attempts. Lets call it two abbreviated missions down there. How do you adjust . You have to rely on your preparedness. There is no checklist for what theyre doing here. You look at the Navys Research and recovery manual. It talks about the equipment. Talks about how it should be used, whats best, whats most preferred. The training they have individually is very important. Now youre talking about strategy. You have to be adaptable, have to be able to see whats going on and use that information to change it again. Thats what it looks like to me, that theyre being adaptable, changing the game plan. Im pretty impressed with their ability to think out of the box and figure out how to get this thing all happening in an environment that could easily be described as hostile, that is very much unknown to most the smartest experts on how to handle a deep sea expedition, expedition like this. So u. S. Navy official said the engineers believe theyre making an adjustment to software, if you can believe it, to allow bluefin to dive even deeper, to safely breach its maximum depth, to go down to some 5,000 meters. How key is that . What will that mean for them . Well, what that allows them to do is to not have these interruptions that arent really threatening to the mission. You have safety factors, obviously. In the aviation world we call it ten to the minus ninth safety factor. Thats a lot of zeros. That means your odds of failure are extremely low. Theyre saying lets go to ten to the minus three safety factor. Nonetheless, were saying this is a unique situation, as i was saying before, adaptability, flexibility. How do you change this . What can we do . Theyre turning off those alarms. Theyre turning off the alarms so it doesnt automatically turn around when it says we might have a problem. Now its going to wait until it does have a problem before it surfaces. That issue of flexibility speaks to some of the concerns that have been raised by some experts. Why not bring in some of the other types of vehicles, under water vehicles that have a little more capability in terms of their maximum depth . There are examples, the u. S. Navy has, other nations have. Why not bring those in would you suggest moving down that road at this point . Well, the strategy that they have, and im not in the planning, obviously. The strategy it appears theyre using is more isnt always better and more doesnt make things go faster. I think thats where they are with this. They have a real clear idea of where it is. All these other ones, like with 447, the reason they had so many was to narrow the field, to say here is where were going to look. Because they have that big long ping, theyre very confident from what i can tell they havent told me this. But i can speculate theyre probably very confident about it. Theres no point in bringing in search it just seems like to me theyve got a really definite place to go. It seems like at this point it will take a long time to get these larger under water vehicles even to we already know it takes forever to get out there. Look how long it took to get the oil back to the shore. Thats two liters of oil. Can you imagine youve got to get these other subs out there. Thats exactly right. I want to get your take on one part of the investigation just to better understand why theyre doing it. The malaysian cabinet announced theyre going to create an International Investigation team. Is that common for every kind of investigation like this and search like this . What does this mean sdm. The same words are used to describe two different things. Its just a matter of scale. The first team, the joint committee that was formed, that includes boeing and includes manufacturers of all the different parts of the air aircraft. Theyre all involved at some level or another. They want the most knowledgeable people in the room when they have to find out whats going on. Thats that. This is different. This is not, from what the malaysian transport minister, what he was saying is were going to look at what were doing. Were going to look at what boeing is doing. Were going to systemically look at these interrelationships. Theyre all interdependent on each other. Everything we do here has an effect on what we do here. This is deeper, bigger. Much better in the long term. Our Safety System is incredible already. 23 million to one is the chance that you would have any fatality on an airplane accident. Youd have to fly 63 years, 24 hours a day to have those odds. Thats a lot of frequent flier miles. This is going beyond that. David, thank you very much. The search continues and now we can see theyre doing some sort of an internal review at the very same time. David, great to see you. 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Tensions between ukraine and pro russian supporters near a break point. Dozen of armed protesters have taken over a ukrainian Mayors Office. Also this morning, tanks bearing russian flags rolled through eastern sections of ukraine. Joining me now is the editor of the weekly standard, bill crystal and paul begala, paul at one time advised the pro western anti yanukovych in ukraine. Paul, let me start with you. Give me a quick take. How has the u. S. Handled this situation to date and what does it need to do Going Forward . First off, the president has answered this aggression frankly much more robustly than his predecessor did when putin moved into georgia. Even dick cheney was calling for strong, strong action and nothing happened. Hes got to use the tools short of military, even the most hawkish republican there is the state are not saying we should put boots on the ground and fight for Eastern Ukraine. Hes ratcheting up sanctions. Rounding up the ollie arcs. Im for stronger sanctions. I think we can do a lot more. The problem is the we. You have to keep europe united. The more you sanction russian financial interests, the more you punish european and londonbased banks which is fine with me. Its not going to be easy to get the a lot of wall street with their money in russian markets and the u. S. Government doing a lot of business with russian contractors of the military variety. Theyll have to cancel those contracts. Mr. Crystal, what is your take . Do you agree president obama performed better here than president bush did in 2008 with the georgia situation . No. I think hes performed equally badly. The Bush Administration was exhausted in september of 08. Candidate obama attacked candidate mccain for calling for more robust response. Talking about red lines in the case of syria and to do nothing, that was a terrible signal for putin. Now we have very weak sanctions. Hes ruled out ahead of time boots on the ground. The first sentence first thing he ever says is of course were not sending any troops to ukraine. In fact, we probably should send abrigades. Thats what american troops have been doing in korea, asia, japan and europe for years since the end of the cold war. Thats helped preserve the peace. I dont believe putin understands, thinks that weak sanctions and talking a lot with the europeans is a serious deterrent. Paul, do you believe boots on the ground is a sign that we mean to keep the peace or sign of aggression is . Its not the same as well. I think bill oh, a terribly bright guy. I think youre wrong about this. You send american troops into ukraine. The ukrainians arent asking for it. Its not the same thing as south korea where we have had troops for half a century. Thank goodness the president isnt sending american troops in. By the way, the war in iraq is one of the big reasons we have fewer options, right . We spent 2 trillion there, lost 4,500 troops. It weakened america. Now youre seeing a function of that weakness. I dont think even if we had no iraq war, i dont think wise people would want to be sending troops into ukraine right now. Im not saying thats the first thing we do. Im saying you dont rule that out ahead of time. You dont rule out doing anything tough and dont have secretary of state saying enlessly we sympathize where the russians, were very aware of their concerns. You have to be tough with putin. Putin understands toughness, doesnt understand sympathy. Let me ask you this, bill, when you look at what happened in georgia. This isnt about being boring and looking back. Its a straight analogy to the Current Situation. Georgia took the defensive, it led to a lot of bloodshed. Here ukraine has kept it hands up. Some see that as a sign of weakness. Do you think encouraging resisting force as long as possible is the right thing to do here . Thats obviously up to the ukrainians. Theyre being as tough as they can be with little support from us or the europeans. No one wants to encourage us. This will be like the 30s. Well say dont fight, dont fight. At the end of the day, there will be fighting somewhere. Putin will keep going until hes met with strength. The idea that we can tell the ukrainians to keep their hands up as putin takes little chunks of ukraine and not so little chunks of ukraine every week, every month. Theres an election coming here in ukraine. Paul and i will agree america can do a lot, europe can do a lot to ensure fair elections. America needs to be forward leaning over the next month in a half. You put boots on the ground, paul, theres going to be violence. Thats almost always what happens. That is not true. Thats not true. Theres not violence when theres boots on the ground. Theres violence when you dont have boots on the ground and you signal weakness. Where do you have an example of where the u. S. Came anywhere there was on going aggression going, how would the u. S. Avoid them if they were on the ground . Do you think it was a mistake to intervene in the balkans, in 98 in iraq, when bill clinton used force mass general side that was going on. We dont know if thats the case here. When we bombed iraq we didnt put boots on the ground. When we drove back aggression in the balkans we didnt put boots on the ground until the situation was stabilized. As you noted, i worked over in ukraine. Its not about america. So much of our analysis here is, understandably, american centric. As if putin is sitting around kags lating these moves based on america. There was george w. Bush who i thought was far too trigger happy on wars. My god, he was waterboarding people, for goodness sakes. That didnt stop putin for moving into georgia. Dwight lies eisenhower was a strong president. That didnt stop soviets from moving into budapest. The russians do what the russians do because they have this long expansionist history. Theyre a serious threat in the region. Putins entire military budget is 88 million. Ours is 650 billion. Russia is doing what russia does. Theyre not calculating the moves based on whether they perceive the current president be strong or weak. Bill is shaking his head because the concern, is paul, if he takes a step into estonia, latvia, lithuania, now you trigger nato. You have to stop them before an allout conflict. Maybe a show of strength sooner winds up averting that. I appreciate the perspective from both you. Love to have you back on this Going Forward. Coming up next on new day, the hunt for flight 370 relies on a single 16foot drone scanning an area more than 40 times the size of los angeles. Were taking a look at the challenges of that massive effort. The desperate effort to find close to 300 people on that sunken south korean ferry. 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This ferry carries cars, as many as 150. They felt a big bump and a lurching and the ship started to list to one side. Within a very short order of time, its all the way on its side. This makes it almost impossible to get out because you have to climb as much as 150 feet like youre on the side of a mountain. Now this is all thats left. Now we bring in mary schiavo. This last picture as dramatic as it looks may be a cause for hope. If the bow of that ship is still able to be above water that means there could be displacement of air underneath it . Yes. And the United States coast guard has encountered many rescues where they cut into the bottom of the ship, the hull of the ship and found people alive. It is possible, absolutely. Now, the concern is you have darkness and you have cold water, they believe 40 degrees fahrenheit, 20 kilometers or so off the mainland and you have fastmoving currents. What does that do for the ability of divers to go under water and essentially enter a matrix of caves . Well, its tough on the divers. Obviously not only for people in well, searching for air pockets, of course. Its a tough dive duty and tough to get in. They have to maneuver their way through the ship. The rescues i mentioned with the coast guard, sometimes they eat cut right through the hull. Granted they have been able to send people in and get people out from ships. Its tough. Its dangerous. They have lost rescuers that way. But thats the only hope at this point, is to go and get them out or go through the hull. Ferry is a nis leading term. This is a 500footlong ship, like a cruise ship. How does Something Like this go down so fast, so fast that they have people jumping off for their lives. Because of the speed and a the sound reported by a couple of ear witnesses, it leads me to believe that it must have had a breach in the hull, that it struck something under water which means its probably out of the channel because those channels are well maintained in shipping lanes. When you have an engine fire, you usually dont mind that kind of scenario. Thats probably the second most commonplace thing, to have something explode or a fire in the engine room. That doesnt usually breach the hull. That causes other problems. One would assume based on other ferry accidents that it hit. One of my suspects to check out would be one of those big ferry doors through which the vehicles enter the ship. They have cranes coming. They believe theyre able to salvage the ship. Theyre not going to be there in any amount of time to help with the rescue. This comes down to what theyre able to perform in those boats through the darkness, right . Time is against them. Right. 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Extreme unrest across Eastern Ukraine. Tanks carrying russian flags moved through several cities. Separatists seized a Mayors Office. All this happening a day after ukraines military launched what its calling its Anti Terrorist operation against russian sympathizers. Lets break this down with jamie rubin, former assistant secretary of state and visiting scholar from oxford university. Lets talk about the positioning of where a lot of this conflict and clashes are happening and put it in the broader context of what this means Going Forward. This is in the region of done k donetsk, specifically the northeastern part of this region. Weve learned in the city of come tore ris, theres an airfield, the area of a First Military operation that ukraine put in place to take on pro russian separatists. Why is this area, these cities, this region so important in to the acting government in kiev . In the case of crimea, the Ukrainian Government made a decision, and i think it was the right decision, not to resist a russian essentially invasion and takeover of crimea. They put their hands up, allowed their military to be taken over and eventually shipped back to ukraine itself. What theyre saying now is, if you want to come into ukraine, the rest of the country, the part that goes attached to russia that were looking at and all the way to kiev, were going to fight you. Were not going to give up the rest of our country. So when they take these buildings back, when they send in troops now, theyre trying to do it without a lot of loss of life. Russians tend to exaggerate everything that happens and claim that hundreds of thousands of russians are at risk when theyre not. Theyre trying to take back their territory, make sure the russians dont take it over but do it with the minimum loss of life. There are some successes. Also, were seeing more and more cities taken over by pro russian separatists. We have two cities that i want to also put up in another animation, harkiv and lou hansing. These two cities are being maintained right now by pro russian separatists oopsz. If you had to, and it is impossible to try to get into the mind of Vladimir Putin, why are these cities in this area so important to whatever plans there are . All of this portion of ukraine, Eastern Ukraine tends to have the largest proportion of russianspeaking citizens, people who would be most likely to agree or accept or believe the phony propaganda that weve seen moscow put out and that a former guest just a few minutes ago from russia today, they just put out things that are flatly not true to scare these russians living in this part of ukraine into believing that they are under some threat, and the only way they can be protected is from moscow. Its a classic playbook. Its the movie we saw in crimea. It doesnt have a happy ending. In crimea we saw russia take over part of another country. Lets remember what were talking about. This isnt just a rooej nall conflict. This is the basic principle of the International System that countries dont take over other countries by military force. If you look at where ukraine is positioned, you can easily understand why what happens here is so critical and be watched so closely elsewhere. Take the Baltic States right next door, theyre not under threat, obviously being part of nato, part of the eu. But why are they watching the outcome of this so closely . The Baltic States, fortunately for them, were brought into nato. That means the United States, germany, france, britain, theyre all part of an al eye ans. We would go to war to defend the Baltic States. Theyre also part of the former soviet union. If they were not part of nato, they would be subjected to the same kind of treatment because there are a lot of russian speakers in the Baltic States. So a perfect example of why russia maybe wants to move into ukraine right now before it goes that route. They want to get as much territory as they k it looks like, before these countries develop in the west. Lets not forget the basic principle here. Its usual that people understand it, europe is a place weve gone to war twice to defend, world war i, world war ii. They were about the idea that one country doesnt get to take over another country just because it has a stronger military. This is a very big deal thats going on. Vladimir putin can call it the beginnings of a civil war all he wants. At the moment Everyone Wants to watch to see if theyre heading toward a proper war, not a civil war, or if there is any diplomatic offramp. Thats why the fourparty talks this week are so critical as we watch this play out. Jamie, thank you so much. Up next, the hunt for flight 370 now relies on a single 16foot drone scanning an enormous search area that could take months. 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Its just that a Different Organization is doing the work. Does remus have sonar . Sure. Same side scan sonar. Would you argue this would be better . I cant say that. The most important thing is you have the right kind of technology. Youre using side scan sonar and the right team with the right plan. Thats the most important thing, as long as that can get to the depths, so far, so good. That will get the job done. Tactic and strategy more important than the tool itself . Sure. You have to put your faith in the team. You dont want everyone showing up with their own instrument. How hardest to use the different ones. Here you have the orion this one is towed which means it has to be tethered. It can go to 20,000 feet, it has the side sonar. I sound like im trying to sell the thing. Would it be more effective than what theyre using . As captain matthews said, theyre throwing the dart. They believe the tpl got them close with the ping to the actual spot. They have one vehicle and theyll go right to that spot. If its a broad area search, orion would make more sense and several Autonomous Vehicles would make more sense. That last point, several. You used three bluefin when you were looking for 447. Thats right. Only one here. Why . Isnt it more suggestive of need that you have a bigger area to cover . Lets start much wider than the debris field would be and cover the whole area with incredible detail. If theres aircraft in there, its going to show up. Their area is we think we know exactly what it is. Their plan is we think we know exactly where it is. Lets go right at that spot. Even though you did it differently and did find the ship, youre not criticizing absolutely not. Youre okay with the technology. They have the technology, the team, the plan. We have to put our faith in what theyre doing and hope for the best. Thank you very much. Coming up next, a utah man loses his job. Thats bad, of course. 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These videos were shot by his wife an got a lot of attention. So much so that daniel now has a job giving donations. They were flooded in to him. So now he can continue his work paying it forward and giving donations on his own. Hes going to add another month of acts of kindness. Well let you know how he does with that. Wow. Not a wealthy guy. Lost his job but still had some means. He decided to do this. The lunches, about 150 or so. The gift cards, 15 each. So it wasnt about how much was coming out of his pocket, it was about how much is coming out of his heart. So easy to get down on yourself in that situation and to feel like someone needs to help you. He reached out to help other people. That takes a big man. Definition of optimist. Instead of playing the pityme game and the domino effect. The Little Things he does, theyll pay it forward. Can you imagine if you had enough that you can spend your time doing good things for other people. Let me know. What a dream. What a dream. You have to move to utah. Thats not so bad either. Thats it for us. A lot of news. You have the ferry, the search for 370, the situation in ukraine. We have the latest on all of it at the newsroom with ms. Carol costello. I absolutely have all of that. You have a great day. Thanks so much. Thanks so much. Newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com desperate rescue. More than 450 people an board the ferry. The huge ferry sinking into the frigid waters in just hours. Passengers being airlifted. Thats the actual search area. That is one of the search areas. Aboard an american supply ship in the hunt for flight 370. Cnn giving you access like no other. Youre here for the foreseeable future. Its a 247 operation. Breaking news from ukraine. Armed protesters taking over a Mayors Office. Russian president putin saying the country is on the brink of war. This amateur video purports to show Ukrainian Tanks and one local risking his life to slow their advance. 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