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He has a very clear favorite in this race. Then, trumpism beyond trump. Populism hasnt just been rising in america. Its been rising around the world. Why . Well explore with brexits leader and the Pulitzer Prize winner ann apple bomb. Finally, the British Parliament is in dying need of repair, but what to do with the politicians while they fix the building. Well tell you about one plan to dump them all in the river. Ill explain. But first, heres my take. There are so few details provided by fbi director james comey that it is impossible to know what to make of his decision to inform congress about new emails relating to Hillary Clintons server. The timing is unfortunate, since Justice Department guidelines expressly advise its officers to be careful not to be anything to action or announcement that could interfere with elections or the democratic process. It also raises a larger issue. The United States has gone too far down the road of criminalizing public policy. When your opponents do something wrong, even profoundly wrong, in politics, it is often best to treat it for what it is. Bad judgment. Bad policy, bad ethics. And to make the case to the electorate to hold those people accountable. It should not be Standard Practice to instantly begin searching for ways to treat that behavior as criminal. This has been a bipartisan prp. When democrats controlled the legislature under the reagan administration, they turned the iran contra affair into a legal matter, which resulted in the appointment of an independent counsel, years of inquiries and bitter partisan divisions. Then came the clinton years when the zeal exploded. The investigations of bill clinton consumed public attention, cost tens of millions of dollars, and results in an impeachment that was totally unrelated to the original alleged offense, whitewiter, on which no charges were ever filed. The last two presidencies have seen something of a respite from the witch hunt, but it seems possible were ramping up again for a round of criminalization of policy differences. House republicans are now promising years of hearings and inquiries should Hillary Clinton be elected president. The fbi and the Justice Department in particular should stand as independent institutions and not be swayed by demands made bipartisans on either side. James comeys decision to provide the lively color commentary on his decisions to testify to congress, to send them raw fbi data, and now send them this vague letter are a break with long standing practice and established procedures. Not since j. Edgar hoover has an fbi director positioned himself as a player in the political realm. The power to use the state to put someone in jail is an awesome authority. It should not be used against political opponents. It poisons the public arena. It makes politics a life and death affair, and it reminds one of third world Banana Republics, not an advanced democracy. For more, go to cnn. Com fareed, and lets get started. So just how has the u. S. Election looked around the world . What does the rest of the world want out of this election . What to make of russias alleged interference . I have a great panel of former top diplomats, now free to speak their minds. In new york, David Miliband, who was britains foreign secretary. He now runs the International Rescue committee. In london, bernard kushner, he was frances foreign minister, also founder of doctors beyond borders. In warsaw, Radek Sikorski was polands foreign minister. Hes now at the center for strategic and international studies, and the countrys foreign secretary and now dean of the school at the National University of singapore. Let me start with you. Youre furthest away. You follow this closely. What do you make of the mood in the United States . Well, i think i would say the whole world is shocked that a country, the most advanced democracy in the world, can produce a candidate like donald trump. And frankly, you know, our good friend joseph nye also talks about american soft power and its power overseas. Clearly, donald trump has made a huge dent in american soft power. But more importantly and more fundamentally, the emergence of donald trump shows that america hasnt come to terms with the fact that it has to deal with a very different world now. So even if trump goes, i think we still have to deal with the problem of trumpism that is a real political reality now. And the question is, what is america going to do about it in a more fundamental way and not just about one man. Its about a political phenomenon that has emerged. Radek sikorski, you have seen this kind of populism. You tell me how you describe it, across europe, including in your country, in poland, have you not . We have. But in the United States, thank god, you have had our experience of the Public Domain being manipulated by foreigninspired social media and foreign hacking. And i hope the people of america draw their own conclusions. We, of course, are particularly alarmed here by one of your candidates links, business links, idealogical links, media links. Not just with the russian government and russian business circles, but now it appears also to be ideologues of russian fascism, its very disturbing. Bernard kushner, when you look at this campaign, what is the first thing that comes to your mind . Surprise. It was a surprise, but now we know. Populism is all over the world. Yes, we have the same reaction. Not exactly the same, the extreme rightists in my country, but the problem is that like our friend from singapore said, this is a noncomprehensive attitude. They dont know that the world has changed. They dont know that now were facing the rest of globalization or the rest of the world, and they believe theyre still the center of the world. This is impossible. Trump, its a bit ridiculous to say so, but his views are so middleaged views. He doesnt know he wants to conduct another war between mexico this is ridiculous, if it was not serious, it was ridiculous. But honestly, we are in a certain trouble, psychological, and politically, were in trouble. All over, not only in poland with our good friend radek, but in britain, brexit. And all over the 27, 26 now nations. They dont understand whats going on. They dont understand that we have a responsibility. And fortunately, i believe that mr. Trump will not be the president , because otherwise, we are completely lost. We all the people of the world, we will be lost. But i hope it will not happen. David miliband, let me ask you, the three of you, i realize, who have worked with Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, what did you make of her . Did you trust her . Was she good on her word . And do you think she would make a good president . Just the qualities, im not asking for an endorsement. The policy of Hillary Clinton was evident from the moment she was nominated to be secretary of state is shes the best listener i have ever known in politics. She has got a real mind that sucks in information and wants to have the widest possible range of information to make decisions. I think that shes a powerful thinker. Shes a strategic thinker. Shes a careful thinker. Those are important qualities to use your word. My perspective on this election is that populism has been shown to be popular until it gets elected. And fortunately, its not usually elected although the brexitt question is a challenging one, but some of the consequences are beginning to be felt. I think that as i think about europe, i have recently been in china. As i think about the time i spend in the middle east with the humanitarian work we do, the striking features of the perspective of the u. S. Election are twofold. First, there is the element of the Banana Republic you referred to, the combination of money, law, coming together in a way that you describe. But the second thing is theres also an element of fear about whether or not america has the capacity, not just amongst its leaders but amongst its people, to play the kind of leadership role, the subtle, careful, but nonetheless, strong leadership role that the world needs even in multipolar world of the kind we have, still needs an america that can make its presence felt in a principled and practical way around the world. Fascinating. When we come back, dont any of you go away. Well talk about one other element of this campaign that Radek Sikorski mentioned. 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Administration learns russia afresh, but i think in a trump administration, the price for that tutoring paid by americas allies would be particularly high. President putin is a gambler. He has already leveled chechnya, bombed aleppo. He would like a sort of mark two with the United States, sharing of influence. That, of course, is alarming to americas allies. And thats why people that i know are rooting for a traditional candidate. Hillary clinton has a strategic mind, but she also counts the enlargement of nato as a success of her husbands presidency. And we believe she would defend it. David miliband, what do you make of this russian role . Why is russia done all of the things that radek described, and why is it now seemingly interfering in the u. S. Election . I think that you always have to remember that russia is fundamentally a declining power. Its declining economically. Its declining demographically, and its trying to stave off those factors by adventurism politically. I feel this personally since the International Rescue committee has had eight of our hospitals that we support and run inside syria bombed by the Syrian Administration and by the russian government in the course of the last year. And obviously, the overreach that the russians are showing in respect to some fundamental principles of International Humanitarian law poses absolutely fundamental questions for the global system. I think theres an opportunity for the new administration, one obviously that mr. Trump doesnt want to take, by everything he had so far, but an opportunity if mrs. Clinton is elected. And the opportunity is twofold. First of all, in global strategic terms, i found in china last weekend a willingness and a determination to assert that they wanted to reform and rebuild the International System, not to undermine it or create a parallel system. And secondly, i think in tactical terms, that creates an opportunity for the u. S. To try to wean the chinese away from their reliance on their russian ally and to create some more balance in the International System. The reasons that Radek Sikorski has set out and no doubt my other colleagues will do so as well, and its absolutely essential because the International System at the moment is not working as a system, its not being properly led on a range of issues, not just security and economics and International Humanitarian, but also on health and other issues. Bernard, let me ask you again, you are the third foreign minister. Radek and david also worked with Hillary Clinton. What do you make of her as a person, as a secretary of state, and could she take on the kind of challenges David Miliband is describing . Yes. I had the pleasure for years. And she is a good manager. She knows perfect ly, that is nt to say only superficial view to be secretary of state of such a country, you have to be very close to the people. I mean, she was, lets say, sort of a siege woman during all of her life. She had to be cautious every minute. Husband, the attacks, et cetera. But privately, shes a very warm and very human woman. And shes not considering the people from the top of the trump tower who see the crowd. No, she knows this is a lesson to follow hillary in the developing country. Shes going to the people. Shes listening to the people. You know, formerly, she worked as a representative of the fight, the womens fight. She was very good, remember in the conference, but not only that as women, we have to be very proud of. Not the women, but very proud of her. All is destiny, but close to the poor people in africa, everywhere, she is very touching. She is not looking like being touched but yes, shes touching. And second, could you consider one second country like United States represented, represented by mr. Trump . But this is impossible. Impossible. It would provoke a real revolution, not only in the United States but everywhere. And going back to what radek said, that is saying victory. Its already a victory of mr. Putin in syria where theyre bombing 300,000 and bombing to kill all families and babies in aleppo. But also in mosul. Do you maerm it would be the country that the United States withdrawing of their responsibility . No. Believe me, no. It was not done. We have a little time, but give me a sense of what you make of the sense of pessimism that has produced trump. Does it puzzle you . You come from a part of the world thats growing. Well, i think, you knower, asio know, theres no populism in asia, and frankly, asians are still in love with globalization, and as David Miliband just said, china wants to rebuild and strengthen the International System and not undermine it. But if i can just give a slightly different point of view, because the world looks very different when you look at it from asia. And you know, asia makes up the vast majority of the worlds population. Actually, we agree that Hillary Clinton would be a far better candidate than donald trump. But it would be an absolute mistake for Hillary Clinton to come into office and say, hey, i know exactly how the world works, and i know exactly what to do, because the world has changed fundamentally, and if i can recommend one good book to her, its a book thats written by fareed zakkaaria called the forced american world. You have to now deal in a much more multipolar world with very different instincts from the one you could use in the world when her husband was president. So its a very difficult job for Hillary Clinton when she becomes the president , because suddenly, shell have to unlearn many of the instincts she had in the past and develop new instincts. You remember, fareed, you asked me to write an article for newsweek in which i said what Hillary Clinton needs is a longterm strategy for china. For that, i got my arms twisted for saying something that is quite obvious. When you deal with china, you just cant deal you have to have a longterm plan, a 20year strategy in dealing with a great power like china. My big worry about Hillary Clinton coming to office is that she may continue with the old instincts and that would be a problem. But if she relearns what the new world is all about and makes an effort to reach out to asia, asia will receive her very warmly. All right. On that very excellent book recommendation, im going to have to thank you. Next on gps, donald trump may have cornered the market on populism, but as my panel noted, theres plenty to go around in much of the rest of the world. Why . We have Ann Applebaum and nigel farage up next to explain. Now that fedex has helped us simplify our ecommerce, we could focus on bigger issues, like our passive aggressive environment. Were not passive aggressive. Hey, hey, hey, there are no bad suggestions here. 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Believe me. Not them. Vote yes on sixtyone. Im here in london for this special edition of gps. Were going to talk about the rise of populism around the world. Its not just brexit, not just trump. Its happening many places. Joining me in london, nigel farage, and in warsaw, Anne Applebaum, who is a past recipient of the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction. Nigel, you heard the previous panel. Theyre all as foreigners shocked by donald trump and shocked. Youre not, right . No, im not. Can i say that the word populism, i first heard it ten years ago. The present European Commission called me a populist, which i thought was a compliment, perhaps i was popular. Any opposition to the current established Political Class is now written off as populism. What is trump doing in america . Hes reaching out, you know, beyond the washington beltway, beyond wall street, beyond the rich, beyond the famous, to ordinary people who have seen globalization mean for them that their Living Standards have gone down. They have watched their country being taken into an endless series of wars overseas that arguably i would say have made things worse, not better. And all trump is saying is enough. Weve had enough. Were sick of the rich getting richer. Were sick of foreign wars. We want to take back National Democracy and control our borders. And its very interesting, you know, with your previous panel, that a threatened elite choose to abuse this. But the more they abuse it, the more they encourage people to vote for it. We saw that in brexit and i believe were seeing that with trumpism in america. Anne, the core of this kind of message, call it populist, what you will, is a kind of antielitism, isnt it . Is that true across europe . I would say its true across europe and around the world, although i would refine it a little bit. I dont think its just antielitism. Its very significant that many of trumps core supporters are not the poorest americans. The average trump supporter, according to one poll, one measure, is worth 70,000 a year, which is not impoverished by any means. The poorest people in america are still supporting Hillary Clinton, just like the poor in many other countries dont support populist movements. But populism has achieved a couple things. One is that its in modern form, its something that offers very Fast Solutions. Instant solutions. You can get rid of the eu, and everything will be better. If you abolish the system, your lives will be more prosperous. And in an era when people can click on a button and download something and get it right away and have things instantly, democracy and the slow process of creating coalitions, creating real change, making things happen, having boring conversations about budgets and priorities and what can be done and what cant has seized to interest a lot of people. What populism in its modern form and i would say its both on the far right and the far left, and its surprisingly, theyre very similar now, is offering peoples instant Fast Solutions as well as a sense of, we can do this ourselves. We can have nationalism. We can achieve something without other people, which is, im afraid, going to prove fantastically unrealistic. I think David Miliband said in your Previous Program that the trouble with populists is theyre popular, as mr. Faraj said, until they win. When they win, as they have, for example, in venezuela or in greece, then it turns out that their solutions are flawed and as complicated as anybody elses. Nigel, what about that . You listen to trumps core message in many ways, he looks at the average american person and says your life seems hard. Its all the fault of mexicans and muslims and Chinese People thats your interpretation. And ill get tough on them. Isnt he directing a lot of that fury or angst to the other, to the outsider, to the foreigner . Well, i dont think hes blamed all the worlds problems on minorities. You know, hes got a lot further than i would have gone in some of his speeches. I get that. And its very interesting. You know, Anne Applebaum talks about the far right and the far left. Very interesting, isnt it . When youre in the middle, when youre part of the establishment, when youre rich, when your life is great, when youre part of Goldman Sachs or government or big media, its very easy to be disparaging. And use terms like far right and far left. I put it to anne, far right and far left are now called the democratic majority. We saw that in brexit, despite all the threats from all over the world. We may see it in america in nine days time. I increasingly think we will. And its happening across the rest of europe, too. I do honestly think its about time the rich and famous stop talking down to people who want change. I repeat, weve had enough of failure. Anne, what should mainstream parties do . If they do confront this reality that the programs that they propose in their eyes, theyre trying to be responsible, so they propose a series of, you know, small ball incremental programs that wont bust the budget, that will try to take advantage of globalization. Thats in the United States expanded child care or worker retraining. This all sounds it lacks the drama of trumps rhetoric or populist rhetoric anywhere. Yes, and as you have also just heard, it lacks the accusations, you know, youre a part of the elite, that mr. Faraje directed at me. I suspect hes richer than i am, but thats a different issue. The task now of, i would say, not mainstream parties but of democratic parties, is to reignirei reignite an energy and interest in reviving our systems and not in destroying them. What we have seen from the populist parties and mind you, i use far right and far left because i dont have better words for them. What links the populist parties in venezuela, in the philippines. What links all of them is hard to express in one political term except that its a design for Fast Solutions, very often things that have been tried before and failed but wont work once theyre in power. What we need to do is reach out to democratic parties around the world to ask them to rekindle their faith in democracy and rekindle movements that will be that will inspire people once again about the advantages of democracy. Remind people of the catastrophe that populism brought us in the past, whether it was a form of fascism or communism early in the 20th century and rekindle the energy. Youre beginning to see that happen in a couple places. Here in poland, in spain, you have begun to see new parties which are also composed of young people and beginning to bring people together in new ways which are trying to revive the system. Im not against the revival of the reform of the system. I am against destruction. And i am against the nihilism of people and politicians who want to see everything destroyed just for the sake of destroying it, which i think is what a lot of the rhetoric that you hear from these kinds of parties certainly across europe and in the United States is really about. We will have to leave it at that. Thank you both very much. Next on gps, inside americas gun super owners. These are people with massive collections of arsenals. What does that all tell us about fishing the countrys gun problem . When we come back. An Opening Night on broadway is kind of magic. Im beowulf boritt and im a broadway set designer. When i started designing a bronx tale the musical, i came up. With this idea of four towers that were fire escapes. Essentially. Ill build a little model in photoshop and add these. Details in with a pen. I could never do that with a mac. I feel like my job is. To put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences. Imagination to fill in all the blanks. This windows pc is amazing, having all of my tools. Right at my finger tips is incredible. Hillary clinton far too many families today dont earn what they need and dont have the opportunities they deserve. I believe families deserve quality education for their kids, childcare they can trust and afford, equal pay for women, and jobs they can really live on. People ask me what will be different if im president . Well kids and families have been the passion of my life and they will be the heart of my presidency. Im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. World segment. Newtown, orlando, san bernardino. Large armed response here. There are sadly too many tragedies to list. You know the scale of the problem, but it is worth repeating some sobering facts. There have been more Mass Shootings in the United States in 2016 than we have had days this year. According to the gun violence archive. Civilians in the u. S. Own some 270 million guns. According to the latest small arms survey, which is more than one for every adult. In fact, civilians own more guns in the u. S. Than in the next Nine Countries put together, according to that same survey from 2007. But now, a groundbreaking study from researchers at northeastern and harvard reveals new details about gun ownership in the u. S. And it might change how you think about the gun control debate. The study funded by the fund for a safer future and the Joyce Foundation is the first of its kind in 20 years. It will be published in 2017 pending peer review, but we got a sneak peek. Heres perhaps the most startling statistic from the study. 3 of American Adults own 130 million guns. About half of all of the civilian firearms in circulation in the United States owned by just 3 of the people. That means that approximately 7. 7 million americans own 8 to 140 guns each. Americas gun superowners, as the guardian dubbed them, own an average, an average of 17 guns apiece. The report finds that gun ownererize disproportionately white men over 45 who hold conservative political views. Most of these owners are educated, having attended at least some college. And a lot of them are well off. About a quarter of firearm owners make over 100,000 per year. As for the socalled superowners, some are collectors and hunters. The study provides some reason for optimism. The u. S. Is not quite as awash in guns as we might have thought. Gun ownership is concentrated, and the serious gun owners would surely understand the need for basic controls that make sure that the wrong people dont have access to weaponry. But the most important lesson i draw is that we need more data. Bill clinton has cautioned liberals about dismissing gun culture in places like arkansas. A lot of these people, all they have got is their hunting and fishing or theyre living in a place where they dont have much police presence, he said. But the northeastern and harvard Study Suggests that there has been a significant shift in the reason why people buy guns. The report found that almost 2 out of 3 gun owners bought guns to protect themselves and their families against other people. So the main driver of gun ownership today is fear, and this is true for both men and women. In fact, selfdefense is one of the main reasons more women are becoming gun owners. But guns do not actually insure security. Northeastern professor matthew miller, one of the authors of the study, told gps that on average, keeping a gun in the house makes people less safe. Especially women and children. The data clearly proves this. People dont always judge risk effectively, miller adds. Theres more actuary risk in driving to the airport than there is in flying. But people are more afraid of being in the air than on the road. Miller says that even though firearms claim as many lives as Motor Vehicle crashes and ov overdoses, theres very Little Research on guns. Quote, its really obscene how much more money is spent on other issues of mortality that claim as many or fewer lives, he adds. Surely, there are reasonable requirements that can be made of gun manufacturers and owners to mitigate the risks of these dangerous weapons. And surely, surely, we would understand these risks better if the u. S. Government were allowed to actually commission studies on guns and gun ownership. Something currently prohibited by law. Lets just look at the data. It will really save lives, thousands of lives. We will be right back. eeeeohmumohweh hush my darling. dont fear my darling. the lion sleeps tonight. hush my darling. man snoring dont fear my darling. the lion sleeps tonight. woman snoring take the roar out of snore. Yet another innovation only at a sleep number store. If you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, isnt it time to let the real you shine through . Introducing Otezla Apremilast . Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. And the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. Dont take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. 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Jeremy, the premise of this company that you founded is that there are five job openings in Software Development in the United States for every software developer. That is, there are four unfilled jobs in Software Development, and you decided, why not try to look around the world to fill those spots . Thats exactly right. I mean, the premise of the company is brilliance is evenly distributed but opportunity is not. For those five jobs, you have 1. 8 open i. T. Jobs in the u. S. Alone. People cant find the people they need to help continue growing their businesses. What did you decide to do . Explain how you did this. What we do is very simple. We operate in nigeria and kenya. Kenya came about a year later, and we seek out and then give exposure to some of the brightest people i have ever met in my life. Kind of like tolo here, but who are also passionate about solving problems with technology. We connect them to leading Companies Like microsoft and google, but also dozens of startups around the u. S. Who have as their core constraint, access to great technical talent. Tell us, youre more selective than harvard or stanford. How many applications do you get . Applicant numbers. Its about ten times more selective. A. 7 admissions rate to the program. How many people . 40,000 applicants. In the class that tolu applied to, there were over 2500 applicants for 20 spots. She was one of the 20. Growing up in nigeria, how did you decide to study computer science. Almost everyone in africa, my parents, were thinking i should go study. I should be a doctor. And in school, i was thinking, okay. Let me try to be a doctor, but at a point, i was like, this is not what i wanted to do. What i was i was always i had interest in i. T. And i decided, okay, seems what does that mean . You had interest in i. T. Because you played video games or how did you develop that . I played a lot of video games and i was playing against a lot of guys. I won a fair share. Yeah, that just got me hooked on i. T. Now, what do you say to people who will look and listen to this and say, this is great for people like tolu, but what does this mean for the average american . Arent you taking jobs away from americans . When you look at the i. T. Space, weve never had literally not once in the twoyear history of andela, a company say were going to let someone go in order to hire an andela fellow. This job been up for six months, and we havent been able to find someone with the skill set to do it. We dont know what to do, and this is a constraint on growth. I actually think what this is going to do is create jobs for americans because those companies will be able to grow and hire people in other areas. What would you say, tolu, to somebody in america who says why are you taking away my job . Thats a great question. I would say my goal is to be a World Class Software developer, and the only way i can be that is to walk with the best of the best, and thats what im doing right now. Thats what jeremy has given to me. So i believe i would say thats what youre giving to yourself, buteter way, totally fine. I would say the next two years, ill be one of the best worldclass developers out there because of this. And maybe then youll found your own company in nigeria and hire more. Or hire a bunch of americans. Maybe. Do you are you hopeful about nigerias future . You see people like yourself, are there enough of you, do you think it will change the country . Yes. I think it will change the country. Every day, i believe we are changing the world one line of code at a time. A beautiful note to end on. Jeremy, tolu, thank you so much. Fareed, thank you very much for having us. Wit changed everything, starting with the sleeping arrangements. Fortunately theres fingerhut. Com. 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