We have breaking news. New details on the fiscal cliff deal that Timothy Geithner put on the table today during his meeting with congressional leaders on the hill. These details just coming in. Jessica yellin has that and what have you learned about what geithner took you know, listed out with the numbers and put on the table . Hey, erin, here are some of the details im getting from senior officials on both sides. The headline is that he put out a number of 1. 6 trillion in new taxes. That was at according to republican officials, a surprise. They expected a much smaller number and that has some republicans crying foul. He proposes extending unemployment insurance. Continuing the dock fix. Thats approving additional spending on medicare to pay doctors. The amt patch protecting middle income americans. 50 billion in stimulus next year and in return, the administration would offer 400 billion in additional medicare and other entitlement savings next year to be spelled out as they negotiate. There would also be an agreed mechanism for allowing a vote on a debt ceiling increase for perpetui perpetuity. Republicans not pleased with this. Already publicly crying foul. The white house says the president has already signed into law one trillion dollars in tax cut last year. Theyre willing to compromise more, but rig now, both sides seem more dug in than before. A day that was pretty grim on that front. Thanks very much and that 1. 6 trillion, everyone, surprising republicans and a crucial number especially when contrasted with the 4 billion this entitlement cuts. I want to tell you the republican response as jessica indicated. They didnt want anything to do with geithners plan. Yesterday, john boehner moved the markets higher. It was joyful talk about a possible deal, but today, it was like a breakup over tax. He went from love to disgust. Here he is right after tim geithner put that deal on the table. No progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. All right. Thats pretty grim. Stocks lost early games on that news and the day went downhill. Harry reid slapped back. Still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. So, they agree on something. No progress. But then it actually went beyond that. Reid got a little personal. I dont understand his brain so you should ask him, okay . Funny, but really not so funny. So what happens when the men in charge start throwing sand in the sand box . We just go over the cliff like some are now suggesting . Recall what err skine bowles said two weeks ago. I think thats crazy. You know, why would you bet the country . Really bet the country by going over this fiscal cliff. Crazy . Betting the country . Well, according to the congressional budget office, bowles has a good reason for saying what he did. The economy would go into a recession, economic output would drop and Unemployment Rate would go back up to 9. 1 by the end of next year. Now, the clock is ticking. John and harry, get out of the sand box. 33 days are left. Peter difazio of oregon is outfront tonight. Let me just get a response from you about Timothy Geithners plan that he put on the table. 1. 6 trillion in revenue. 400 billion in cuts. Im a little confused because the president said he will give 2. 50 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. This is, this is the opposite. Well, finally, the white house has learned not to negotiate with itself, but with the opposition, which is the republicans. Remember, there is no real cliff. On january 1st, the only thing that goes away is the Social Security tax holiday and nobody is seriously talking about continuing that. All the other tax increases dont take place until sometime around march. Gives congress plenty of time to rekrit them, but thats 4 trillion of additional revenues. So okay, were going to cut that more than in half. That will probably mean reagan era rates on capital gains. Clint era rates on higher income people and youre getting close to 1. 6 trillion, so i dont think its that unreasonable and the key thing he put forward today and im pleased because ive been raising this for more than a month. We need to put people back to work in this country and if we funded a robust transportation infrastructure bill as part of this package and put a couple of Million People back to work, a lot of the deficit goes away. Didnt they say that last time . I didnt vote for that and the word stimulus is totally discredited. It did not 7 of that bill was investment and infrastructure. 42 was tax cuts. Weve been trying tax cuts for more than a decade. They dont put people back to work. Real investment does. We have report after report, economist after economist, Real Investment will put millions of people back to work. Right. Those were tax cuts of the vast middle in this country. What you want to extend and the republicans. Im still confused. If the president wants 1. 6 trillion in revenue and is going to do his math, thats 3 trillion in cuts. Why only put 400 billion out . Well, hes probably leaving himself a little room to negotiate. A little. Is reasonable on medicare. If he just started negotiating lower drug prices, that saves medicare 230 billion over ten years. And then you deal with some of these high cost private insurance plans under medicare and a couple of other minor changes that wont hurt average american, wont make them wait until 67 to get medicare, we could get the 400 billion there. When the president earlier had talked about medicare, not today, but before, he has said yes, i support raising the age on medicare from 65 to 67. Simpson bowles talked about raising the age. Most people do and say thats really going to be the only way to get out of this. You really think we dont have to make real changes or is that just, i understand your constituents dont want you to say anything. That doesnt teal with the cost of Prescription Drugs. Fair. With overpriced and unnecessary medical care and finally, if we did extend the age to 67 rngs xwe . Guess what . Theyd have to go to the obama exchanges and with low incomes and get subsidies there to buy private insurance which probably in the end would be more expensive than medicare, so actually, you would just move from here to here and you might even increase the deficit. Interesting point, but i still find it a little bit hard to believe. When you say we dont have to make substantive change to a program thats going to consume all of our federal spending if we keep going the way were going, we do need to make substantial changes. Its going to hurt. I didnt say that. Im part of the Quality Health care coalition. We want to move to out space medicine. We want every state to be as efficient as my state and 16 other states who provide care at about the third of the cost of florida and fourth of the cost of new york. We need to rationalize the system across the country and go to those states that are wasting a bumpbl of money and make them more efficient providers. We need to negotiate the Prescription Drug prices saving a quarter of a trillion dollars and you know, we need to reign in these private Health Insurance plans that are living off medicare. Those are real changes. All right. Let me ask you this though. You said there is no cliff. Cbo says theres a cliff. It doesnt all hit on day one. But the fact of this country and you guys in washington not being able to get a deal done just the atmosphere, the frustration and the fear that could create, how can you say thats not a cliff . Well, a lot of hysteria out there, but again, the fact is only the Social Security tax holiday goes away. The with holding tables dont change. No ones taxes go up in january. The cuts through se quest dont go into effect immediately and i would Hope Congress would make discreet cuts instead of stupid across the board cut, so we would have time to get to work on january 3rd and deal with restoring tax bets to middle income and working families and deal with a more discreet way of reducing spending. And youd be willing to take it if the market reacted incredibly negatively. You think thats manageable . Im not sure why that would happen. Because you know, wall streets very good at managing hysteria. I opposed the t. A. R. P. Bailout. They can only manipulate it so far and then theres real value there that will come back. Oh, i wish that we could talk about t. A. R. P. Lets do it another time because i think that would be a fascinating conversation. Thanks very much, sir. 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You know, you start thinking about whats really important here. Victory for palestinians. The u. N. General assembly voted in favor of palestinian state hood. We want to show you the wild celebrations going on right now. This is the west bank. After the u. N. Overwhelmingly gave the palestinians something they have wanted for years and the vote was pretty overwhelming. 138 countries in favor. It was a shellacking for those against it. The resolution passed against the will of the United States, israel, canada and six other nations. Heres u. N. Ambassador susan rice after the vote. Todays unfortunate and counterproductive resolution places further obstacles in the path to peace. That is why the United States voted against it. Now, the vote gives the palestinians a higher profile at the u. N. And more important, it also means they can join organizations like the International Criminal court. That is important because it could allow the palestinians to pursue war crime charges against israel. Outfront tonight, the prime min sfer. Good to see you. So, what does this vote mean for israel . It doesnt mean anything. I think it means resolution because if youd like to get the sate, it should be on negotiations. Theyve got a good support of one country, israel. And they would get it only if the will is negotiations. Whats happened today is that the community gave them a mandate between the palestinians because according to the conference, it says theyre very clear that no one can take a unilateral move and they took the unilateral move against the will of israel and i think that if you dont respect their signature or agreement, they would keep the agreement, it would be made, be given and thats what we cant stand. Theyve wanted decades to have a twostate solution and israel, you say you want one, but keep say iing theres negotiations, but dont get one, so they feel this is their only way. No, because they can get any resolution at the u. N. I want to mention and to remind you, in 1988, in 2008, that very similar. What does it mean . They got the state. They can get the state from negotiations. They did everything to prevent negotiations. Turn to netanyahu and ask him to accept the idea of twostate resolution. To freeze the settlements. Still didnt show up, but not om us, our predecessors negotiated for a very long time. 98. 5 of territories and still didnt get an agreement. All right, all this may be true, but the countries in the middle east that recognize you all voted for this. It was only nine countries. The United States was alone. Italy, france, they voted for palestine. Does todays vote worry you that okay, its you and the u. S. , but the u. S. Has lost power and influence. Isra israels losing power and influence. Most in arab countries and those from the third World Without always against israel. Italy, france. Okay, so italy, france and others joined in. Because they filled it after the declaration is very poor to helping, encouraging to strength. The only way to do it is slow negotiations. And negotiations means to give and take. Not willing to take any kind of if they were glad to come, they can find us willing. You talk about how why some of the European Countries might have voted for this, but you know, everyone said that hamas gained a lot of power. Hamas doesnt recognize your right to exist. The plo does. Abbas. Is it possible the win today gives him a boost . That this is something that is good for you . First, it raised the question if he represents the whole palestinians or only half of them. Only the west bank as you have just mentioned. Hamas dont recognize the right of israel to exist, so what we are dealing with here is the palestinian people. Thats first. The second thing is more important. They are violating their signature with israel. It makes those that are opposing the Peace Process in israel and in the arab world much more powerful because they always tell us, dont believe the palestinians. They will never, never implement their commitments and they show us once again that we are committed not to make a lateral move. Well negotiate for the final start agreement. Unfortunately, those that oppose the idea to them was the palestinians become more powerful and the community helped them to accept or to convince the israel Public Opinion that there is no one for us. Thank you very much. We appreciate your coming on. It was a big day today on that vote and next, the day after i spoke with Julian Assange, the man charged with leaking thousands of military documents, was in court today, Army Private Bradley manning made his case. More than two months after the attack in benghazi, the fbi asked the public for help. Does it add up . What a night, huh . But, um, can the test drive be over now . Head back to the dealership . [ male announcer ] its practically yours. But we still need your signature. Volkswagen sign then drive is back. And its never been easier to get a passat. Thats the power of german engineering. Get 0 down, 0 due at signing, 0 deposit, and 0 first months payment on any new volkswagen. Visit vwdealer. Com today. [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. This season, discover aleve. All day pain relief with just two pills. Bp has paid overthe people of bp twentythreeitment to the gulf. Billion dollars this season, discover aleve. 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His lawyer argues and many others who have followed the case argues he was ordered to coerce him into a confession that would bring down me or wikileaks. Pentagon has maintained manning was held in accordance with rules regarding all maximum custody detainees. If convicted, they could go for life in prison. Outfront tonight, Chris Lawrence is is at the pentagon. Manning and his defense team, they have been claiming that the private was held in harsh conditions. He said quote, im going to die. Im stuck inside this cage and he also said i have pretty much given up. My world had just shrunk. What else was in his testimony. He was very calm. Dressed in his dress blues and described what it felt like in that first prison in kuwait. He said thats where he thought about suicide, then he was transferred to quantico, where he spent about five months in solitary confinement and he said that really brought him back to kuwait. He said i felt like i was being dragged back into that hole, so we heard a lot of description about what it was like for him under that sort of confinement. Now, the military argues that keeping him was getting the circumstances. This is espionage. Giving away secrets of the United States. Something that could get the Death Penalty even though theyre not going for that. Are they making that case . They say at the time, he was a maximum security detainee who posed a threat to himself and others, but today, what we heard on the stand was manning giving some different perspective to some of those incidents. He said the guards looked at him and there was some concern because he was playing peekaboo with himself in the mirror or dancing to music when there was no music playing. He said it was out of sheer boredom. He said he wasnt allowed to lay down during the day. Nothing to do in that cell for 24 hours, so he used himself to keep himself occupied. 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They say they show more activity at an Iranian Military site. A site that nuclear inspectors have been denied access to. Heres what the site looked like in september. The roofs of the buildings are are covered with tarps. Just take a look. Now, were going to fast forward it. Switch the picture to november 7th. What youll see now is that the buildings have blue roofs and new equipment on site. This is according to the am sis from sis. The think tank says additional things are being done to the site. A russian judge says performances by pussy riot should be removed from the internet. Their most notorious video is the one that landed two band members in jail. In it, the band sings an anti putin song in a cathedral. The judge allegations it includes words that humiliate various groups. And former president george h. W. Bush has been in a houston area hospital for six days. A spokesperson says he has been treated and cures of bronchitis. Bush is 88 years old and he is the oldest living former president of the United States. And an update now on the indian woman who went to an Irish Hospital for back pain and was told she was having a miscarriage. Now, despite the circumstance, her husband praveen says doctors refused to abort the fetus because of irelands strict abortion laws. She ended up dying of blood poisoning. Now, praveen has decided to take the case to court because irish officials failed to adequately investigate. And a bankruptcy judge has approved a bonus plan for hostess brands. The 1. 75 million plan gives 19 executives bonuses ranging to 535,000. It has been 483 days since this country lost its top credit rating. What are we doing to get it back . From july through september, the economy grew by but it was in line with expectations. Tim geithner putting a deal on the table. We told you the details at the top of the show. 1. 6 trillion in taxes, extend unemployment and put the amt patch. Home mortgage refinancing, 5 billion in stimulus. In run, he offered 400 billion in entitlement savings and said if you do this, we have to agree on a debt limit. You might say theres no way republicans are going to accept this. Lets see. Kevin yoder is a republican of kansas. Hes outfront and member of the appropriations committee. What do you say to secretary geithners bid . I dont think its a serious proposa proposal. Its not the type of balanced approach the president s spoken about and i dont think its the type of thing thats going to get our economy going again. Its just not that type of balance the American People are looking for. Whey too high on taxes. Not nearly enough on spending reductions. The president has said all the way along, if i give you a dollar of revenue, if you guys give me a dollar of revenue, thats 3 trillion in spending cuts. Hes coming in with 400, so would you try to get him to 3 trillion here or try to bring down the revenue number . Well, i think you have to bring down the revenue number. We are not going to tax and spend our way back into Economic Prosperity in this country. We are going to have to Work Together. I think most americans are tired of seeing the partisanship and debates. Im pleased the speakers up at the white house to find a solution. Most people want certainty, longterm predictability in the economy and raising taxes for this amount i think would put us back into a recession and be counterprodu counterproductive to get our economy going on. John boehner clearly, hes the key negotiator. Are you going to agree to whatever deal he brings you, if he says representative yoder, its 1. 4 trillion in revenue. Its 1. 4. Do you say all right, i trust john boehner, im going with it . No, the speaker still has to sill it to congress, republicans and democrats. Youre going to have to have a lot of input and a lot of effort to put together a bill that brings in a lot of partys ideas. So certainly, whatever they come up with at the white house is going to have some public discussions. Im going to talk to my constituents about it at home. The speakers going to have to sell it still. The speaker has an attitude of finding a solution. He knows that a longterm solution is critical to getting this economy back on track and waiting until the end, the last minute is not our goal. Were trying to get this done soon. Let me ask you something about revenue. Everyones talked about this pledge, right, to not raise taxes championed by Grover Norquist. He has become a household name this this country. You though are one of six House Republicans plus seven in the senate who didnt sign the pledge. What made you, when you were given that opportunity and so many of your fellow elected officials signed it, what made you say no . Its not because i think we should raise taxes. Its because i believe my obligation to the constitution and to my district, they want an informed congressman trying to find a solution and if you fumble every option before you get to goerpuation, youre not trying to work to the other side. I do know the president has said hell veto any legislation that doesnt find additional revenue, so weve got to find a solution. Going off the cliff is not an option. So i just think a lot of these pledges and all these things that ultimately it restricts our able ability to Work Together and find solutions that will save the country. You cant foresee every solution. It may ultimately some type of revenue may be the ultimate bargain. I think the republicans and speaker are being very reasonable. I heard in the debate, so 101. Okay, heres our one. The conversation is really now moving back from the revenue and moving towards the spending reductions, where are the entitlement reforms. The speakers trying to call the president s bluff. I think the republicans, they said they wouldnt even accept 101. Good to see you. You know, as we said, kevin yoder there explaining why hes against the antitax pledge. Hes one of the few and this issue of Grover Norquist tax pledge is pitting republican versus republican. Threatened a run against saxby chambliss. Now, you just heard kevin yoder make this case for look, im a republican, i dont want to raise taxes, but my duty is to the constitution, i want to do whats right so im not going to sign that pledge and sounds like people like you, im going to run against you, you got to be tougher. You know, i would go back to the clinton tax rates in a heart beat, but theyd have to give me the spinning rates as well e. Theyre not doing that and no ones ever put that on the table. What weve got in washington are republicans and democrats both trying to pivot to be the more Reasonable Party in front of the American People. The republicans are going to get blamed no matter what they do. Thats political environment. They might as well embrace the fiscal cliff. You heard Peter Difazio saying earlier in the program, democrat, go off the cliff, there is no cliff. No problem. Folks on both sides. Look, theres not a clip there and theyre going to play chicken and go off. And then youre road kill at the bottom. Thats exactly right. Most folks are saying since the economys improving, congress, dont screw it up and you get some folks on the far left and far right, theres no cliff, dont worry about this. Were after the election, this isnt an id lodgical debating society. This is about getting something done. Lets work on a shortterm deal. The deal thats there, were in this situation because congress came up with what theyre calling the fiscal cliff now and theyre calling it the fiscal cliff because they dont want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think its foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. You know whats interesting, to erics point, there is a great irony in this that the democrats are saying weve got to raise taxes and the fiscal cliff does both. Just not in the way anybody wants it, so if they cant do that, how are they going to find a way they can all agree on . The superfailed committee. This is a giant hatchet as opposed to a scalpel. It was designed to fail. I agree, but the real solution and real irony is going to be the ultimate deals going to look like the Obama Boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. The fact that we couldnt make that deal then i thinks a tragedy for the country. One of the things it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. That was unnecessary. Let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. You said youd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. There are some in the Republican Party like congressman tom cole congress them saying lets just do that. Let the rates go up for those at the top, then wait and negotiate. Is there anything about that that you think could make sense . Thats not a negotiation. The president s not going to then lower those rates. That might be a capitulation. Yeah, it is a capitulation. The president thinks hes got all the cards. The republicans position improves at the beginning of the year and frankly, there are a number of people coming back, people who contributed to this mess and im not sure as a citizen i want them to be the ones who fix it. Arent they in a stronger position, democrats in january . Which is all the more reason to get this done now. And really not look a gift horse in the mouth. Only in washington, congress, is an agreement on 98 of something not the grounds for making a deal. Youve got 98 agreement on taxes. Take that deal. Dont go over the fiscal cliff. Live to find another deal on a grand bargain. Tax reform, entitlement. You really think democrats, they get that tax increase, that theyre going to come and give spending cuts late sner. I think there are ways you can try to make it. Erics made a great point historically that things like ruddman, the spending cuts never end up happening. Everyone whos realistic at the table recognizes youve got to have a balanced plan. Serious cuts and revenue increases. You cant weve had 18 debt and deficit commissions since 81. The cuts never came. Cynicism isnt a plan though, eric. We need to put forward a plan. Cant just keep saying theyre screwing it up. If you dont put cuts in though with tax increase, youve got a problem because its easy to raise taxes on a few people. Most people will not support cuts that hurt them. Youve got to have entitlement reform. You can actually lower rates, close loopholes and raise revenue. All right. Thanks to both. Appreciate it. 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The internet down along with most cell phones perhaps done by the regime to stop communications with the outside world about their successes, perhaps suggesting a crisis at the heart of damascus ruling eli elite. Damascus international airport, Flights Canceled from there. Reports of clashes nearby. Two austin ran peace keepers likely wounded. That vital symbol on the outskirt of the capital clearly under threat at the moment and after months of stalemate, signs of real change and movement on the ground. Thank you and now to cairo, where president morsis move to fast track a new constitution is being met with resistance. Some say its a way to diffuse anger to expand his president ial powers and weaken the judiciary, but critics say hes hijacking the constitution. Erin, today, a special panel voted to approve a draft of e gipsas new constitution. Egyptians will vote yes or not despite objections by factions who say the process was pushed through by islamists who tried to squeeze out the moderates. In a rejected claims that he was being a dictator. Translator there is no room to speak of dictatorship. As an egyptian, i have suffered a lot of the lack of democracy, absence of democracy and dictatorship and corruption in my land, and this dictatorship you are talking about does not exist. Reporter the president says if egyptians do not like the constitution, they can vote no on the nationwide referendum. Well see if that calms down his critics. Erin . Now our fifth story outfront 80 days since the attack on the benghazi consulate. In that attack, ambassador Chris Stevens and three other americans were killed. So why is the fbi now saying it will use facebook to ask for tips about the september 11th attack . Outfront tonight, tim winer, author of enemies, a history of the fbi. After all this time they will ask for tips via facebook to help with this investigation. Is this a sign they dont have much to go on . The fbi has solved cases of political murder and International Terrorism before but it can take years, sometimes decades and always takes oldfashioned investigative methods, shoe leather, sweat, time, patience. The idea of trawling for tips on facebook and twitter sounds pretty ridiculous. It does. Why would they be doing that, do you think . Let me ask you this. If you knew something about a case of murder or terrorism, and the fbi asked you for information, would you post it on the internet . The answer would be no. No. This is a job for the cia. So let me ask you about the fbi on this. They are obviously involved because it was a u. S. Ambassador so they waited three weeks until they visited the compound on october 4th because of security concerns. They say they werent going to put agents in harms way, they were worried. Cnn as you know went to the compound before, found the ambassadors journal. By the time the fbi got there, would all the evidence have been compromised or sure. I mean, in an arson when a building burns down, its a crime that consumes its own evidence. What the fbi needs to break a case like this is an informant. Many informants. But in the old days they would put a wanted poster up in a post office. You can put it on the internet now. What will break a case like this is money. They cant put a suitcase full of cash on the table. Cia could do that. And we would assume the cia is doing that, right . Obviously as we all now are aware, three quarters of the americans that were in libya at the time of the attack actually worked for the cia and not even the state department, right . One would hope theyre on the case. Obviously this is a case of extreme sensitivity. Ambassadors dont get killed every day or every year, and it was a bungle. Are they working together, do you think . So many people have fears, especially now you have petraeus losing his spot at the cia. In part because of work by the fbi. Now, thats just a recent case that happened. But are they going to be working together, the way they should be . They have been able to Work Together in the past and theyve done great things when they Work Together but throughout the 65year history of the cia, they have often been at each others throats and not cooperating. How much pressure is the fbi under to get this right . Theres a dead American Ambassador and three other dead americans in a case of murder, possibly terrorism. It can take decades to break a case like this, and they may be working on it decades from now but they will never stop. They want to get it done quickly. Thats part of the reason theyre doing things like facebook, anything they can do. Thanks very much. Appreciate your time. A massive, brazen, beautiful con man is outfront next. 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They are going to climb out from under russias thumb and sign a deal with a new gas partner. Okay. This deal was a big deal. Over 1 billion and what it was going to do was have the Company Build a new Port Terminal on the black sea for importing and exporting liquefied natural gas. The signing of the agreement was such a big deal in the ukraine it was televised. It was attended by the Prime Minister and by a man called jordy sarda bonvehi representing the company. Huge step toward Energy Independence and a big bird to russia. One big problem. The company doesnt know anything about it. Turns out that jordy doesnt actually work for that company. Hes the bald gentleman in this shot. Take a good look at this guy. We dont know what his real name is. It appears hes a con man who was able to get through multiple rounds and rounds and rounds of negotiations and a televised appearance for a 1 billion deal without detection. I mean, thats kind of incredible. You have got to give the guy that. In fact, on the surface, this seems like a mirror image of one of the most infamous swindles in history, when Victor Lustig posed as a corrupt Government Official and sold the eiffel tower to scrap metal companies. Back then, he got money. He got the money from sales and additional political bribes. Years later, he even pulled a scam on al capone. Yes. He swindled al capone out of 5,000 of money. Adjust that for inflation. To quote bill clinton, that takes a lot of brass. And a lot of smarts, which is something that our new con