getti getting strength. and the fear is this could become a new safe haven for terrorists. we have heard horrible stories about what is happening and you're going to hear them. but sharia law is the rule. today i called the military leader for an czar al din, the main islamic radical group linked to al qaeda here. we wanted to tell you their side of the story, but here's what happened. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: yes, this is omar. hello? >> hello. >> translator: yes, what do you want? >> good morning. good morning. do you speak english? >> translator: no, no. french is it. >> no, no. i have some help. can you ask him, are they hurting people? >> translator: listen, speak in french. no, no. listen. i do not speak to a woman. if approximate you would like to speak to me, give me a man. it is necessary to respect our religion. we do not speak to women. do you hear me? [ speaking in french ] >> no, we do not speak with women. it is necessary to give a man to speak with us. [ speaking in french ] hello, omar? omar? >> reporter: i want to explain how we got here. because mally is in the middle of a war that the world needs to watch. it began when the united states and nato intervened in libya when moammar gadhafi was killed, all of his weapons were essentially up for grabs, and they were stolen, stolen by some of the fierce tore regular tribe in mally and it's lambic radicals. the toreg used the weapons to fight and declare independence from mally, something they have wanted for decades. but the country was then split in half. the mallian government, with only 7,000 american-trained troops couldn't stop the toureg. and frustrated, some commanders staged a coup. mali, one of the most successful, fell into disarray. and that's when radicals seized the moment. person after person has told us of fighters seen in libya, algeria, afghanistan and other countries in the middle east. the islamic crushed the toureg, and the men they defeated told us the islamists have many more weapons, rpgs, ak-47s, mortars and high-caliber weapons mounted on the back of 4 x 4s. they also used actions and shovels to destroy historic shrines that date back 700 years. the toureg want to defeat the isl islamist and want help to do it. >> translator: the actions of the terrorists has direct consequences for europe and the united states. >> reporter: i can tell you here people are afraid. at villages along the border you'll see, they're very afraid of the islamic-linked militants. they say they're paying people to join the extremist cause and the radicals are giving people satellite phones so they can call in when they see a werner. this is causing many people to flee and come to camps that are destitute, like this one. the rainy season is in full swing, with torrential downpours that leave refugees with nowhere to hide. yet families walk up to a week in heat and rain to come here. mohammed fled his village in the middle of the night with seven members of his family. he left behind 80 goats, 10 cows and a camel. a fortune here. >> translator: they were killing people in my village and i was very scared. >> repter: it's still hard for 18-year-old fatuma to talk about what she saw. >> translator: they sliceded open one man's stomach. there is no life for a woman, and everything is forbidden. >> reporter: this man also named mohammed came after islamists tied him to the back of a car and killed his friend. >> translator: they beat him on the face, and they hit him with guns. then they stomped him to death. >> reporter: here in the camp, goat meat is all that's for sale. makeshift tents leak. food deliveries are once every two weeks, and lately, that hasn't even been enough. shortly after we arrived, an elderly woman collapsed among the crowd, waiting for rations of rice, sugar and oil. the female elder in this camp struggles to feed ten mouths. >> translator: there is not enough food and we want help. >> reporter: the world food program agrees. time is running out. >> we have food adequate to feed people for one month but after one month, it's really a problem. >> reporter: more than half the refugees are children. and for them, we found only one school, a madrasa teaching the koran. up to 70 children attend classes here. sanitary conditions are rudimentary, and many people are sick. a camp doctor told us people have parasites, skin disease, and children suffer from malnutrition. for now, there's not much to look forward to. and it's likely to get worse. "outfront" tonight, abraham acoaly with the united nations refugee agency, and carter with oxfamiliar, we appreciate you talking with us. tell me how bad this crisis is. this is a crisis a lot of people around the world have not heard much about, but there are twice as many refugees fleeing more than mali as from syria tonight. >> i would say this crisis has prove indicated a lot of people coming out from mali and in five months already we have more than 200,000 people who have sought asylum in the countries neighboring mali. and inside mali today we are talking about more than 200,000 idps. all together, it's a humanitarian crisis, when you talk about close to a half million people. and these people are in a situation where we can say desperate, because after five months, we are still in life-saving activities. >> reporter: simone, we were just looking behind at these stick tents, and these people are living in horrible conditions, and they have all said they don't have enough food. there is only enough food for one month, the world food program says, what is the biggest need? >> everything. we have great risks with water sanitation and hygiene, as well. as well as food. programs that were funded to respond for the first three months, they're now no longer seeking funding, which means that the latrines are being shut down, and we need to rebuild enough toilets to meet status quo. so within a few months, we won't have enough toilets, enough water. enough sanitation programs and enough food. >> reporter: so it's -- what can be done? summit, you were talking about -- i don't know what's worse here when you feel the extreme heat or the rains. when the rains come through and it's hard to describe this to everybody. but when the rains come through and things just flood, what happens then in these camps? >> so it's a breeding pool for malar malaria, so mosquitoes, garbage. people have a tendency when they see garbage, they will put their garbage in it, and the water will carry it away, but it doesn't. so it sits, creates a pool, stagnant water attracts mosquitoes, mosquitoes bring malaria. >> and cholera. >> six cases reported in the camps in my engineer. we have reported cases in mali, as well. so we are at great risk without handled washing facilities, water, latrines, everything filters into the water, you see the kids playing in them and people drinking from them and creates risk. and as you can see, the tents are not necessarily equipped to have mosquito nets set up, so even though we don't have the funding for mosquito nets, we couldn't put the mosquito nets up. >> reporter: even if you wanted to. >> yes. >> reporter: how much worse is this going to get? people are going to say tonight along the mali border, there doesn't seem to be a border anymore. they seem to be getting stronger. is this crisis in terms of the refugee outflow going to get worse? >> we are expecting it to get close -- to get worse, because the reputation in mali is not encouraging and there is no fighting so far for the moment, but we are expecting that whenever -- all other civilians sought asylum in the neighboring country and this will increase the situation we are facing today. where the response is very slow, and despite the appearance and the funding is constant to the humanitarian community. >> reporter: thank you so much for coming "outfront" and talking about this story. so many have called a silent crisis with a quarter million refugees outside the country, half a million inside. westerners here, or as they are called, white people, are already top targets for the extremists. and we're going to show you that. and there are men here tonight, actually a few just one of the tents behind me who are ready to go back and fight. they are waiting for the call. and we're going to tell you what the islamists told them about americans. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. focus lolo, focust sanya let's do this i am from baltimore south carolina... bloomington, california... austin, texas... we are all here to represent the country we love this is for everyone back home it's go time. across america, we're all committed to team usa. according to ford, the works fuel saver package could terally pay for itself. jim twitchel is this true? 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>> motor vehicle tar ben moqtar. he was near. he's a feared fighter, an al qaeda leader who has fought in afghanistan, algeria and libya. he was pronounced dead by western intelligence last month, but we were told he's alive in control of several major mallian cities and in a town close to us. the mali border is a few miles that way, and as you can see, this is incredibly remote terrain. people are wading through this -- basically a lake up to their knees. the thing is, we can't stay here very long, because the border is porous, and the islamists could be anywhere. we're told they're very near here today. and is even though it's difficult to dry, cell phones work so what islamists do is pay local people for information. so call in when you see someone -- a toureg which is how we had to dress today or a werner, which as they call them shls a white person. and then the islamists can move in quickly, take you hostage or even kill you. that water is keeping the village safe. for now. the village chief told me when it recedes, he fears the islamists will come. what kind of weapons have you seen with the islamists? >> rpg. >> ak. and mortar. >> mortar? >> mortar. >> some of the weapons seized from libya of the nato and u.s. intervention. weapons ripping apart a country and keeping one young man from what he loves. >> i love the dunes. i love it. this is my life. >> rocky and abdul are refugees and they're cousins and "outfront" tonight. thank you for being here. how many members of your family are here in this camp, rocky? >> we have 25 members of our family here. >> 25. >> 25. >> abdul, how are the conditions? >> condition is bad here. in the refugee camp. the . >> do you have enough food? >> we don't have enough food. >> not enough food. >> not enough food. >> people are hungry here. >> and when people are hungry, they don't have nothing to do. it's very bad for them. for young people. that don't go to school. they don't have anything to do. and sometimes they can turn bad. they can do bad things for having food for their family. >> yes. >> yeah. >> both of you were in school. >> yeah. >> and is are in school now. abdul, you are at university. but there is no more -- there are no more classes now, right? >> no more classes, no. because we came here in february. and in february, we cannot continue our studies here. we have to wait for next year. >> because there's no school in mali. >> there's no school in mali. can't study in mali because of the security. >> and what were you studying? >> i study english. i have additional degrees in english. >> are you going to be able to get a job? have you been able to get a job? >> i have five months here without getting a job. i don't know how to get a job. >> no job, no money. >> no job, no money. >> no job, no money, no food. >> what will you do? what will you do now? >> nothing special. we're here. nothing to do. reading. reading a lot. take care for our brothers, our sisters. that's all we have to do. >> and during the day, abdul, what do you do? >> i drink tea or read a lot. this is what i'm doing. >> waiting. >> yeah. >> just waiting for something to happen. >> yeah. >> so what are you do now? >> nothing. >> nothing. until this problem goes away. >> yeah. nothing. >> do you think it will go away? will it get better? >> we don't know. we are waiting to see what will happen. we want to return i our country someday. but we know that if these problems are not solved, we have many years to spend like this. >> and you're afraid to go back to your country now. >> yes. cannot go back now. >> why? because -- you could be killed. >> yes, of course. there is -- in the northern part of mali. >> we leave mabaqar because of that. when the fighting started, there was movement of the population. they burn toureg houses, they burn shops. and that's why we're here. we leave mabaqu and came here. we feared for our lives and for our families' lives, too. >> thank you for sharing your story with us. as you can see, the situation here is so hard for many people to imagine around the world. we'll go next to tim buck tu, at the heart of this crisis, not a mystical place, a real place. and is there a horrible tragedy going on there. and is there a threat of islamic radicals and al qaeda. so why is so little being done? 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>> reporter: thanks, erin. we begin with the latest in the aurora, colorado shooting rampage. a judge is barring cameras. the 24-year-old suspect is in court again monday when prosecutors are expected to file formal charges for the attack that killed 12 people and injured 58. we're also learning more about the suspected gunman's bobby trapped apartment. a source who viewed the video from inside the apartment tells cnn it contained more than 30 home made green mads and ten gallons of gasoline meant to harm or kill anyone who entered. cnn's ed lavandera is "outfront" in aurora, colorado. ed? >> reporter: hi, john. we learned today that the judge in this case who is overseeing the criminal part of james holmes' criminal case has it moves forward, he did allow cameras in the courtroom as we documented and you saw yesterday for his initial hearing. but that judge has now made the decision the next time james holmes appears in a courtroom here in colorado, the cameras will not be allowed inside. and that hearing is scheduled for next monday. and as you mentioned, john, that's when prosecutors will begin laying out the criminal charges against james holmes. >> what more have you learned about the explosives in the holmes apartment? >> reporter: you know, investigators have been describing it as a sophisticated set-up that james holmes created inside the 800 square foot apartment where he was going to school. but law enforcement tells cnn there was an elaborate some of some 30 grenade-like ieds scattered throughout the living room connected to a circuit box with spaghetti-like wires and all was a sophisticated move, including gallons of gasoline and containers of gasoline that were designed to increase the thermal effect of the explosion. and they say that everything in that apartment had the capability of basically destroying the apartment building. >> thanks, ed lavandera, in aurora, colorado. the third day in a row for triple digit losses on the dow. the index loss 400 points on trading. the s&p 500 losing 12. concerns about europe as well as disappointing quarterly reports from u.p.s. and at&t weighed heavily on the storks. we also received apples latest earnings after the close. despite strong ipad sales, the company's numbers missed expectations. mitt romney gave a speech on his foreign policy plan today at the vfw national convention. it comes six days ahead of his trip to poland, and israel. he went after president obama on sequestration cuts and the economy and also criticized the leaks of sensitive material. >> it's not enough to say that the matter is being looked into and leave it at that. when the issue is the political use of highly sensitive national security information, it's unacceptable to say we'll report our findings after the election. exactly who in the white house betrayed these secrets? did a superior authorize it? these are things that americans are entitled to know and they're entitled it know it now. if the president believes, as he said last week, that the buck stops with him, then he oweses all americans a full and prompt kindergarten accounting of the facts. >> romney also addressed iran, calling for a full suspension of iran's nuclear enrichment program. a follow-up to a story you first heard on "outfront." a house oversight committee held a hearing on the de wood national military hospital in afghanistan. it's the hospital largely funded by the u.s. where injured after dpan soldiers were found lying in dirty beds with festering wounds. during the hearing, there was testimony from a colonel who alleged that lieutenant general william caldwell, the three-star general in charge of the mission in afghanistan, had officials delay request for an investigation into abuse at the kabul hospital so allegations would not surface before the 2010 elections. caldwell spokesman says the allegations are false. that has been 355 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? even more positive news on housing tonight. two new reports show home prices are rising, with real estate website zillow declaring home prices have bottomed out. as we have been saying, a key part of the economic recovery is a housing recovery. and this is just another sign that things are getting better. now let's send it back to err rain who is live tonight along the border of mali. >> and now, our fourth story "outfront." tuareg fighters in this camp tonight. and as you can see behind me, some of these stick tents, during the day, a lot of the tuareg rebels will literally get together in groups and hang around here, drinking tea, and waiting, frankly, to go back and fight. ismael is one of them. he speaks english, he spent a few years in kansas, and he and other tuareg retreated from better-armed and frankly much more powerful al qaeda-linked militi militias. they say they are ready to fight again. they want their own country in mali's north. and they call that country azawad. but -- and this is really important -- they tell me they will fight with the mallian government first to beat the islamists. ismael, how many people here have have fought? would everybody here fight against the islamists? [ speaking in foreign language ] >> why are you fighting? >> we want to have independence of our country. >> what do the islamists tell people about americans? >> the islamists say now americans are not good. they're like animals. >> like animals. >> like animals. our vicitizens, they give them money, food, to take their mind. >> do they have camps where they train people to fight? >> sure. >> they do? >> they do. >> who runs the camps? is are they people from mali? are they people from the middle east, somewhere else? >> middle east. they want azawad to make a country. >> a country like afghanistan. >> like afghanistan. this is in their mind. azawad is this -- the last chance for them to have a country. >> so what is the united states doing about this threat and what's happening here? joining me now is the assistant secretary of state for african affairs, johnny carson. and secretary carson, we appreciate your taking the time. you just heard the tuareg rebels here saying frankly what i've heard from a lot of people here, and in the islamist territory, saying that the islamists are saying that americans are dogs, in one case they said they're like animals. what is the u.s. doing about this crisis? >> the -- thank you very much. it's a pleasure to be with you. let me say, we're deeply concerned about the current situation in mali. the situation in mali is a very complex one. it's not just one problem, it's several problems. it's a problem of restoring democracy and governance to the central government and to the south. it's a problem of reintegrating the tuareg into society. they have a number of political grievances that have to be resolved. and it's a problem of dealing with the islamists, the salifists, those who belong to aqim, and ansar al din, and dealing with a complex humanitarian emergency. as a part of our effort to deal with the issue of aqim, we have long had -- >> that's al qaeda islamic magra. just want to make sure everyone knows, for the al qaeda that operates in africa. >> that's correct, aqim is the al qaeda and the islamic magreb. we have long had a program which is called the counterterrorism program. and in that multifaceted program, we have been providing assistance to the governments in the region to strengthen their borders, to strengthen their counterterrorism programs, to strengthen their military, and to give them equipment that will help deal with the al qaeda threat. >> you know, we -- we're here just miles from the border of northern mali, and we went to the border. there was actually a lot of water when we were there. and water was really what was preventing the islamists from coming into the village where we were. they were terrified. the morning after we were there, there were several 4 x 4s with guns mounted on the back. our experience is that the border no longer matters. the islamists are on the beqina side and perhaps other countries you just mentioned. are you worried this is a cancer that could spread? >> this is why we have the transsa hara counterterrorism program. this is why we encourage the states in the region to work together. their militaries, their customs services, their intelligence services. we think they should all work together to prevent the threat that is posed by aqim in the region. it's absolutely essential that probably no one country alone can deal with this problem, and it's important that they all work collaboratively to deal with it together. >> what about the -- who is funding these islamic radicals? i was talking to one of the leaders of the tuareg rebel group, and i asked him who was funding them. and he said something i wanted to play to you, because it was rather shocking. >> translator: qatar is intervening directly in the financing and material of the islamists in azawad. qatar is sending it directly to the imagine huh dean and al qaeda and we think this is flagrant support of the islamists. >> secretary carson, qatar is one of the biggest allies of the united states in the middle east. that was a damming accusation. >> i'm not sure whether that's true, but i do know a lot of the activities of aqim and the islamists are, in fact, self-funded. they engage in kidnapping for ransom, which is bad, and we condemn the kidnapping, and we equally condemn those countries who pay ransoms to kidnappers, because those large ransoms help to fund the activities. the aqim are also associated with smugglers who are smuggling goods from and across borders and to the region. and they're engaged in robbery. many of the weapons that they use have come, in fact, from the disintegration of the mallian army in it northern mali over the last three months. so it may be that there is some outside money coming in. but it is equally true that their there are resources to be gained by the aqim for their kidnapping for ransom, as well as their smuggling and robbery in the region. >> yes. and our viewers are going to hear more about the drug traffickinin a moment. one final question to you, sir. the refugees here in mali, you've got about twice as many refugees here as you do in syria. the u.s. aid numbers we have, the united states is the most generous to mali, but you're looking at $60 million in the u.n. compared to $800 million for syria. if this problem is so serious from a refugee perspective, from an al qaeda-linked ex tremist perspective, why isn't it getting more money? >> it is getting not only money, but also our attention. we estimate that there are probably some 200,000 or more malian refugees in the region. many of them in moretania. just ten days ago, president obama released some $10 million more for refugee assistance to malian refugees in the region, but particularly those in mali. this is an issue of enormous concern to us. we have responded generously, and we'll continue to look at -- and assess the needs of the malians and respond appropriately in the future. >> all right. secretary carson, thank you very much. secretary carson is leading the u.s. charge on the malian crisis, and we appreciate your time, sir. 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[ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: yes, this is omar, hello. no, no, listen, i do not speak to a woman. if you would like to speak to me, give me a man. the necessary to respect our religion. we do not speak to women, do you hear me? no, we do not speak with women. it is necessary to speak. it is necessary to give a man to speak with us. [ speaking foreign language ] and he wasn't on the other end of the line. the journalist you're about to hear from now has asked we not use his name. he's asked we keep his face in shadow. the reason, he's afraid if the radicals were to hear him on this show, that his life could be at risk. you just heard my conversation when i called answer din, the military leader of one of the militias, and he said he would not talk to a woman. does that surprise you? >> yeah, this is new. we used to see those people not shaking women hands but not talking to women, this is very new. in west africa. so we heard that they don't talk to women, they don't shake women hands, so what about women rights in this area? we don't know what's going to happen. >> some women here said they separate the women and the men. they don't want the women going out in the street. they must cover their heads. things like that. >> -- single women, they force them to get married. this is really new -- >> 100 lashes? >> yes, lashes, yeah. >> obviously the funding here is really important and people are saying there's money coming from al qaeda-linked groups, and that it's also coming from things like kidnapping and from drug trafficking. what have you heard about that? >> what i heard, this is really a worldwide network. because the connection with arab countries. they might be receiving help from other countries. we don't know what role algeria's playing actually. because when you see the border of mali, you do not have any border with -- even people who think this is a consequence of war in libya, there is no border with libya, so where those weapons are coming from, they need to turn it maybe by niger or -- so we need to know what role those countries are playing in the world. >> and what about drugs and drug trafficking? >> we heard about this plane which landed last year, 2011, in this area, mali it when the regular government was working. they destroy the plane after it landed. so we don't know was it coming om colombia, arabic countries, nobody knows that. >> nobody knows, but you had heard there were drugs on the plane? >> because it's a no-man's-land area, no leader, so this helps them to do whatever they need -- >> to get money? >> to get money. >> what about you. your standing here in profile tonight. i'm not saying your name. you're not showing your face. why? >> oh, we don't know, we don't know -- people out there the far from where we are -- >> the islamists, they're not far from here? >> nobody knows what can happen shortly. so this way better -- >> they can come, they can come and kidnap you or kill you. >> yeah, nobody knows. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> that journalists, one of the courageous people who is just trying to report on this situation. incredibly difficult to get the information. i think the thing to emphasize is that fear and that desire to not show his face or use his name. that fear is something we have seen from everyone. there is real fear about the repercussions and the life and death situation here. and that living on the edge, in fear, is really the thing we take away from our experiences here along the northern mali border. and next we're going to talk about the children and we're going to show you a game they play here at the camps that is truly chilling. my volt is the best vehicle i've ever driven. i bought the car because of its efficiency. i bought the car because i could eliminate gas from my budget. i don't spend money on gasoline. it's been 4,000 miles since my last trip to the gas station. it's pretty great. i get a bunch of kids waving at me... giving me the thumbs up. it's always a gratifying experience. it makes me feel good about my car. i absolutely love my chevy volt. ♪ i absolutely love my chevy volt. well another great thing about all this walking i've been doing is that it's given me time to reflect on some of life's biggest questions. like, if you could save hundreds on car insurance by making one simple call, why wouldn't you make that call? see, the only thing i can think of is that you can't get any... bars. ah, that's better. it's a beautiful view. i wonder if i can see mt. rushmore from here. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. with two times the points onake lunch dining in restaurants,ch? you may find yourself asking why not, a lot. chase sapphire preferred. there's more to enjoy. here at the refugee carve,

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