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Bomb. I had oversight of all 16 of our nations intelligence agencies. My name is mike rogers. I had information gathered by our operatives, people who risked everything for the United States and our families. You dont know their faces or their names, you dont know the real stories from the people that lived the fear and the pressure, until now israel began this morning pushing rapidly with tanks deep into the western sector. In 1982, in response to the israeli invasion of lebanon, several militia groups formed together with the support of iran the to establish a Political Party, the party of good, hezbollah. They were able to bring water to the communities to establish hospitals and maintain some semblance of education for the children during this war. In some way, they are viewed as the savior of lebanon. But their armed retainers of allow is an organized, disciplined, trained and equipped fighting force. We do first recognize hezbollah has a number of different dimensions to it. But the United States continues to be concerned about terrorist activities that go well beyond the borders of this country. So on one hand, hezbollah has a local identity as a legitimate Political Party in lebanon. On the other hand, theyre a proxy for the government and act as a militia at the behest of iran. Irans sponsorship of hezbollah is very comprehensive. Its providing weapons, training, intelligence, different types of covers. They view the United States as being the primary extension of israel and by extension a legitimate acting target. Prior to 9 11, no other People Killed more americans than hezbollah. A Marine Corps Barracks bombing. 246 men killed. American Embassy Bombing in lebanon horrific, hor risk attack. To hijack a key flight 847 where a u. S. Navy diver was singled out and tortured to death by hezbollah. And countless other attacks on the world. They have this global foot print. They have established themselves on virtually every continent in the world, in africa, in europe, in north america, in south america. In southeast asia. Hezbollah not being a nation, not being a state, has the ability to travel throughout the world to embed themselves in Different Community coos. Gaining all this combat experience and directed in communications by a country that has aspirations of becoming a nuclear power, it makes them extremely drank russ. In 1992, the Israeli Embassy in buenes aires was bombed by hezbollah followed by another attack on the argen teen association building. I was on assignment in latin america at the time. Over 100 people had been killed by hezbollah. Children in the grade school next to the embassy were shredded with glass and i saw that there had been sleeper agents in those locations. And so when i became chief of hezbollah unit in the fbi, i oversaw all counter hezbollah operations world wide. My primary objective was to find out, are there hezbollah sleeper cells in the United States . Sleeper cells are so dangerous because theyre well concealed and they fly below Law Enforcement radar. A sleeper cell is when foreign operators, it could be a terrorist, it could be a spy, will embed themselves into a community. They will join clubs. They will go to school, get a drivers license, get a job. They take on all the appearances of being just another community member. Theyre sleepers because theyre not committing the type of illegal activities that draw the attention of federal Law Enforcement. When actually theyre establishing the capability to conduct espionage or conduct an attack if and when ordered to. In early 1995, an individual had run afoul of hezbollah and was afraid that he would be killed. So he walked into an American Embassy and said, listen, i need some protection and he reported that a dangerous hezbollah operative was currently living in charlotte, North Carolina. And that operative was mohammed happeningud. We cant disclose that. At this time its still classified. With this information, i contacted the Charlotte Office and they initiated an investigation on this individual. They started coming across more individuals in charlotte working together that seemed to have some kind of group. As we got more intelligence from overseas, we started seeing that this could be a hezbollah cell. No one would be looking for them here. This is not new york. This is not los angeles. This is charlotte, North Carolina, the heart of america. When the vacancy for the terrorism supervisor in North Carolina opened up, i applied for a position and was selected. There is skepticism on the part of our headquarters and everyone kind of chuckled because terrorism was so far from the minds of the fbi. They thought their bob. You know, he used to be the hezbollah chief. Right now hes singled theyre right here in my back yard. Well, go guess what, they were. 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[air horn beep] its iphone season. Hey paul, do you love it . paul yeah. sprintern do you love it . paul i do. For people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay. Com. In early 1995, an individual reported that a dangerous and trained hezbollah operative was currently living in charlotte, North Carolina and that operative was mohammed hamud. Mohammed hamud was young, handsome, charismatic. He had considerable combat experience. His father had been killed by the Israeli Defense force and he had familial connections with hasra nesrallah, the leader of hezbollah. We started looking at did hezbollah have sleeper cells in the United States. Were they collected intelligence for an attack . Did they pose a threat . For many years, mohammed amud attempted to get a visa to travel from lebanon to the United States. The consular officer that took his request smelled a rat. So hamud and his two cousins traveled to venezuela and they spend about 40 days on Margarita Island and they obtain some really poor fake visas that they know when they get to jfk are going to be spotted. The three travel on separate planes and arrive in new york. Er that false visas are immediately detected. They caught Mohammed Hamoud red handed and he immediately claimed asylum from pez boll la, he is being persecuted by hezbollah and they bought it, hook, line and sinker. So that gave him status. Catch and release. Hes out to do what he does as a hezbollah oertive here in the United States. There is another hezbollah member already in charlotte, North Carolina, his name saed harsh. He came to charlotte from lebanon in 1998. A wheeler, a deal rlt, astute with criminal activity. Request harsh can make a buck he would. He was engaged in a broad range from criminality, everything from visa fraud, marriage fraud, identity theft. He can talk like a brass monkey. So hamoud and his cousins come down to charlotte, with they took jobs of dominance. They wanted you to believe that they were here just looking for a better life and saed convinced each of them to pay american women to marry them so they can obtain a green card. They went out and found exotic dancers in strip clubs and theyre domino is coworkers. You think are you dealing with an immigrant seeking residency. You have no idea you are dealing with a terrorist. I come here to charlotte looking at this cell. Who are they speaking with, what they are doing . And we start getting a picture of eight core hezbollah operatives. Each one of these cell members was battle hardened, but engaging in low level criminal activity. And i knew that all it would take would be some action in the world against iran. It could be something that occurs in the middle east or asia, but in order to retaliate, hezbollah could order an attack in the United States. I bring it to my fellow supervisors in the office saying can you help me investigate these crimes . I want to be able to have some kind of leverage to arrest them to put pressure on them. I was initially skeptical that charlotte, North Carolina, would be tom hotbed for a terrorist organization like hezbollah. I thought, well, maybe were just trying to be relevant here. Maybe were trying too hard to be considered an important field office. They say, bob, the fbi does not investigate or pursue such a low level crime. Wed like to, bob, we just cant. A war 9 11 and before the patriot act, there was a strict wall between criminal and intelligence investigators. Back in the 70s, the fbi had its wings clipped. The legislature in the country said we dont want you to be spying on people in the United States. Intelligence cases are entirely separate from criminal cases. The intelligence side was to gather information not to gather evidence, not to put people in jail. We were addressing terrorism like we did spies, identify them, monitor them, there was no policy to break these cells up. But we had to find some way to pursue them. One night, i was fishing up some work very late in the office, probably everyone was gone. I went outside my office and saw an agent there doing some paperwork. I introduced myself and we started speaking. Bob caught me at a good time. I had spent the first 11 years of my fbi career working criminal cases, despite the fact i had been an Intelligence Officer in the army, had arabic language training, the bureau put me to work on criminal squads. Rich had just come off a very successful cycle gang prosecution. This is exactly how i viewed this hezbollah cell. All the things you see in a terrorist cell you see in an outlying motorcycle gang. Thats why i needed an agency that understood both lives. There his expertise were cases involving influence corrupt organizations, rico cases in which you group together individual and prosecute them in that manner. These people were affiliated because of their membership in hezbollah. Because they were engaged in criminality, they were vulnerable to the use of criminal statutes, to and including the racketeering statutes. That was their achilles heel, because in no other manner could we attack them except through criminal prosecution. By prosecuting them for racketeering, theyll no longer ever have a chance to saturday bomb off in the United States. To investigate the breath of their criminal activity, we put together what i call a defacto joint terrorism tack force. Was it funded . No, was it official . No. But it was our task force. So we effectively developed this network to counter the hezbollah network. From the Diplomatic Security service from the immigration and naturalization service, from the Charlotte Police department, to all end their jurisdiction in a common effort. Our goal was to not only penetrate the cell but to dismantle it and to tell hezbollah, we know who you are, and you will not be able to to do that here. To destroy you. Sizing you up. Calculating your every move. You think this is love . This is a billion years of tiger dna just ready to pounce. And if you have the wrong Home Insurance coverage, you could be coughing up the cash for this. So get allstate and be better protected from mayhem, like meow. Only roomba i7 uses two multisurface rubber brushes. R protected rom mayhem, and picks up more pet hair than other robot vacuums. And the filter captures 99 of dog and cat allergens. If its not from irobot, its not a roomba™. The amazing new iphone has arrived. So has tmobiles newest signal, now reaching farther than ever before. Right now, switch at a tmobile store and get the new iphone on us only at tmobile. The Charlotte Head boll la case ban in earnest in nauch, 1997. The charlotte cell was made up of eight operatives, sent here to activate hezbollah if and when to carry out a terrorist attack. So we had assembled our defact so joint task force. Everyone had expertise working together to further develop this terrorism investigation. And the case was called operation smoke screen. Its a man power intensive effort to conduct a physical surveillance of a terrorism target. A number of people doing Different Things in order to stay on a target and not get exposed. One of the things we did was to rent the house across the street from Mohammed Hamoud. We needed people to monitor that residence 24 hours a day to find out who is coming in there, at what time, whats happening there . Mohammed hammoud grew up in hezbollah, knew the leadership. He was network. He knew the players. Every thursday night, he would have a gathering at his home. These thursday night meetings were not just core cell members, like bierk gangsed that hang arounds. They would come and Mohammed Hamoud would practice etch to them. He was almost a dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde personality. He was a low key polite on one hand. At the meetings he would get fired up and be the motivational speaker. He would show speeches by hezbollah leadership, videos of hezbollah operations overseas. And they would cheer as these attacks were depicted on their propaganda videos killing americans, killing people. And hed solicit donations for the cause. Did you have someone on the inside, yourself . I can never discuss sources or methods. After this hour had passed, a lot of people would leave, but there was a core group there. Then they would Start Talking about their activities. With hezbollah, the marquee activities are bombing buildings and airplanes and high profile attacks. Where we dont pay much attention to is how do they fund themselves . How does isis fund itself . How does al qaeda fund itself . They are generating businesses, blending in and use that money to Fund Terrorism against us. Mohammed hamou was the cell leader but the brains behind this entire conspiracy, this entire operation is saed harb. So saed harb, one of the things he really got good at is adopting peoples identities. He would make friends with people in the community in charlotte. They would go back to their country of origin, before hed go back, hed say, can i get your drivers license and basically adopt that identity and get a license into n that name. He had seven or eight identities like that. His phone would ring different ways depending on which identity he was called on so he could keep his identities straight. Almost all had an all thetive identity. Mohammed hammoud did it with the same technology. They would apply credit card and charge each one of these to its maximum amount purchasing cigarettes at one of the warehouses here. North carolina is a tobaccoproducing state. Cigarettes are taxed at a very low rate. I think it was 50 cents. Whereas in the northern states, they were taxed up to 13 a cartop. They would drive these cigarettes a complete truckload and sell them to small mom and pop shops. Resell them and undercut the competition. Because they werent paying the taxes. So there were a number of traffic stops where Police Officers in different state would stop these people unloading cigarettes. The cell members thought they were profiled as arab males. So what did they do . They hired females to drive the cigarettes up to michigan or new york. Saed harb was very good recruiting females. Hes a carematic guy. They all met and worked together at dominos. That was the public facade. Thats how a lot of women got sucked into making smuggling runs. We estimate every truckload of cigarettes netted about 30,000. Making four or five trips a week. For several years. Over 8 million and this was just one of their criminal schemes. They then used this money to purchase a pizza franchise, a house painting business. A used car lot. A gas station, where they can launder these funds, not only that, if they need more money, they commit insurance fraud. We know that they intentionally set fire to a pizza business they had for more money. So when you look at this case, in its pieces, its cigarette smuggling. So what. The credit card fraud and identity fraud, thats by design. It allows this organization to fly belo ethe radar. But when you realize that you are dealing with tritts that theyre going to exploit this innocuous criminal activity with lethal effectiveness, it changes the entire perspective of this. Theyre taking the proceeds of these crimes and sending it to a terrorist organization that prior to 9 11 killed more americans than any terrorist organization. We continued to watch them for a long period of time without moving against them. To ensure that this case was successful. My concern was sleeper cells can be activated to conduct an attack based on something totally unrelated to where they are. When are you trained to think in terms of worst case. Worst case is an attack on the homeland. We few that this cell had weapons and they were conducting firearms practice with hand gups and long rifles on the outskirts of charlotte. These people had military training. They had been to camps, they had opinion trained by the Iranian Revolutionary guard core. They had served in militias where they got combat experience. They didnt leave all that behind. They were keeping their skills sharp. In any criminal investigation, you are investigating a biker gang. They can kill somebody tomorrow, in federal investigations, you have to be patient. If you step in and you dont dig it up by the roots, the weeds just come right back. When we investigated this case, we started talking to other agencies and i found out that atf had this ready to go cigarette smuggling case. Alcohol, tobacco and firearms has expended several years doing traffic stops and gathering evidence. This is much bigger than a cigarette smuggling case. This was a terrorism case. And they didnt understand what they had. I find out that the atf is about to make arrests, which would completely destroy what we had been doing for over a year. Feedingfrenzyof sheetmetalkind. And then theres performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. Thats the kind lincolns about. We think you would really shine in the aflac program. Aflac coach saban we have Health Insurance. Did Health Insurance pay for everything . No, we still have bills. 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The atf had a cigarette smuggling agent in our officer a year or two. And they see me come in the door. Right away, here comes the fbi swooping in to take our case. Say stop, before you say more, everyone in this room will sign a nondisclosure agreement. Theyre like, what . I think thats the first time in my 15 years as a prosecutor i had to do that. It was very dramatic. Bob had to sign nondisclosure agreements. We were going to brophy him on the intelligence case and ties to hezbollah. So they started walking us through essentially the case the atf had been working on several slides and surveillance gathered and we were both where is this going . Id say this is not a tobacco tax evasion scheme. They put a slide up on the screen of eight men who said there is a hezbollah cell in charlotte. And the room goes quiet. Bobs a really good briefer. So when he gave that presentation to ken and u. S. Attorney, he was compelled. He was compelled. We leaned over to the u. S. Attorney, i said i think ill take this one. Ken bell was the chief of prosecutor criminal investigations in the Western District North Carolina. I met with the atf agents. Said we have to slow down indictments in this case. And i cant tell you why right now. But they were unaware the people they were investigating were hezbollah. Ken as the leading prosecutor immediately established liaison with the department of justice. We established in d. C. An investigation and i think someone said to me the Canadian Security Intelligence Service has an investigation related to this and they have information that would be of great interest to you. I said, well, what would that be . They said, we cant tell you. I said, well, i guess we should go to ottowa and meet with them and ask them what they have that would be of interest to us. Several of us head to ottowa to meet with csis, the intelligence churt skfs, which is sort of their cia. That began a very long dance with canadian authorities at very high levels. It was like, yeah, were willing to listen to you. We dont want to give up our sources and methods. They had a head legal guy, his name is mike. Hes a big burley canadian guy. Former Royal Canadian mounted police. A bear of a man. So were sitting at this big conference table. We had been at it all day. Im tired. Yeah, im not going to lie to you. I was tired. Mike out of nowhere goes, im going to get a smoke. Anybody want to go . I think it was january or february in ottowa. Cold as [ bleep ]. Probably 20 below out. I mean its freaking cold. Ken bell was sitting across the table from me. I kicked him under the table, i said, ken, go smoke with him. I wasnt much of a smoker. I said, ill go. I dont know what they said. You have to ask him. They had a rooftop conversation, things changed right after that he said, ken, what do you really want . I said, well, mike, we want to take csis holdings and take them into a federal courtroom and use them to convict a bunch of terrorists. And he said, i think we can help. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service had been conducting surveillance on saed harb and watching him cross into canada. Because the canadians had this other cell in vancouver. Saeds best friend Mohammed Dbouk was the leader of the canadian cell. Dbouk had volunteered to be a suicide bomber several times. He produced these comment videos of operations. The canadians had surveiled harb in canada and he had provided dbouk with alias identifications and counterfeit credit card. They had him with a cigarette pack. That was to certify the dual use of equipment they couldnt get access to or werent being given access to in lebanon or iran. The equipment is not illegal to possess, night vision goggles can be used for benign purposes. They can be used for military purposes to kill people. You can possess a stun gun. You can present gps. You know what they use that for mortar rounds, stun guns, are you going to torture somebody . Some of the stuff they were getting looked like they were looking to build a vehicle or drone. Ultimately we know in 2006, hezbollah successfully used drones against the israels. Once the canadians agreed to share their information, it completely changed the dynamics of the case. The reason for that is it paints the global reach of hezbollah. In North Carolina theyd send money to canada. The hezbollah cell would purchase these items and transship them to lebanon and throughout the world. Canadian surveillance picked up hassan dbouk like hes ahead of the operations globally, directing dbou to obtain this equipment. You have a cell in North Carolina, a cell in canada, key players in hezbollah and lebanon directing these activities. Its a global operation. So you had this statute that was on the books that gave you a tool to go after these organizations. Nobody had really used yet. This statute called a Material Support statute, makes it illegal to assist a designated terrorist group with something of a material nature, of money, weapons, dual use equipment. Providing support to a terrorist organization is the same as being a terrorist and in this case in particular, this eightmember Terrorism Financing cell could become a bombthrowing terrorist cell with the flip of a switch. So one of the things that became very apparent was a desire by the United States government to test the statute, to make a Material Support case against a terrorist organization. And headquarters wanted the Material Support statute to be used as a vital tool in our fight against terrorism, but they had to show it could work. The case progresses and i was Getting Communications from the highest levels of the fbi. Bob, when we going to take this do un . When are we going to make it . There was a concern even if a small attack took place, are you telling me that the fbi knew a hezbollah cell was operating for four years and you did nothing . And i felt just like any other criminal enterprise case, that you had to have an insider. We needed somebody that could talk about the dynamics within the group and we needed somebody that could definitively say money was going to hezbollah. I found out that the core group got together on sunday afternoons and played soccer in the park in charlotte. So i went to the park and they were some players short, and i managed to get an invitation to play. I spent the afternoon kicking a soccer ball playing in a pickup game with the people we had under investigation with the core cell. And it was interesting, because you can tell a lot about somebody on a soccer pitch. Hamoud was quiet and harb was one of these bigger than life guys, very skilled player, very selfish player. The game ended and the core group the cousins and the brothers went off to eat together. Harb didnt go with them. He went to a bar, watched football game, ordered some alcohol and i thought, you know what, this is somebody thats going to become our insider down the road. I thought i could flip him. Lets be honest, insurance can feel a little outdated. The paperwork. The calling for everything. The searching for id cards. Its like youre stuck in the 90s. Thats why esurance makes it simple with an app that has everything you need because thats how we live nowadays. Rad. Your id card is on a bodacious tiny future tv. Wow youre really committed to this whole 90s thing, arent ya . No, im just saying whats in the script. Thats true. Everything were sayings in the script. When insurance is simple, its surprisingly painless. This is the family who wanted to connect. To go where they could explore and experience adventure in unexpected places. 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One of the things before we indicted a rico case is go hit their clubhouse and find indicia of an organization doing things together to commit criminal acts. So we fashioned the search warrant so that we can seize evidence that would support a rico prosecution and support a materials support prosecution. Rick assured me that, bob, we can make this rico case. Were not sure about the Material Support. But this was is very best opportunity that the fbi, that the United States had to successfully prosecute them in that manner, with a law thats never been tried before. And there was a lot of pressure not to fail. And there were a lot of people that questioned whether it could be done. I called together a team of 250 officers. So hundreds of agents from all different agencies, state, local, and federal, gathered together at the command post to get their briefing, to fan out and conduct searches and arrests across charlotte. This is a massive operation. It all had to happen at exactly the same time or would would get around and youd lose everyday or people. Im talking to them giving them a complete view and chris taps me on the shoulder and says this has been put on hold, i have to go up to washington. There was a huge backlash from the Justice Department starting with janet reno so the operation was halted in its tracks. 200 officers. Each search sites. Massive operation by one person, the attorney general. I felt like, oh, no, we could lose this case. I mean, i had all these people standing by ready to go. The op orders had been written, im the criminal case agent. This is why i exist, to go kick doors down, put people in handcuffs and gather evidence. Rick swine being passionate and emotional, we had to pick him off the ceiling. I had no idea if we were going to execute tomorrow or never. Ken and i decided we had to get to d. C. And we needed to convince her in a very compelling way this needed to go forward. So a lot was riding on that from into d. C. So we went and had a meeting with the attorney general sitting at the head of a long conference table. You know, it was a stressful setting. We spent years now doing this, were ready to go. And attorney general reno started asking questions about in the search warrant affidavit it says hezbollah terrorists. The attorney general was very hyper sensitive about calling people terrorists when are you not arresting them for terrorism, itself. And said you are arresting them for racketeering, credit card fraud, cigarette smuggling, money laundering, and you are calling them terrorists in this affidavit. That needs to come out. The attorney general looked over at one of her subordinates and said you and kenny chris go in the other room and work through this long story short, with highwayed to rewrite the search warrant affidavit and take out every word the Justice Department found offensive. 102 pages. We went through it linebyline with a ruler so we fixed the affidavit to their satisfaction. We caught the next plane out. We called bob clifford. We said verbally over the phone, get ready to go. And so on july 21st, 2000, at 6 00 in the morning with 250 agents, three s. W. A. T. Teams spread out in various organizations, i gave the order, execute. A threeandahalf investigation of terrorism came to a blaring climax today. Atf made the entry and hammoud grabbed a handgun and he dropped it as the entry team was coming up the hallway. He gave you peacefully. Nearly 20 people arrested and still residents amazed to discover their neighbors are actually suspected of supporting a middle eastern terrorist organization. He arrested 17 individuals and the searches of 19 locations happened at the same time. I was on the team that was going to saed harbs house. They bring saed and his family out. I focused on harb. I felt we needed that inside view. I introduced myself, with the fbi, obviously, wearing the right raid jacket. The first thing he says to me is, hey, why the s. W. A. T. Team . Its not like im a terrorist or anything. And i just said, well, were going to talk about that so he says, you look familiar. I said, well, i played soccer with you one sunday. I guess he figured out if i was playing soccer with him, i really knew everything i needed to know about his life. He had this recognition on his life that he was in big trouble. We had a staging area at the National Guard armory, we processed and fingerprinted all these guys. With you took them to a room and mirandized them. We talked about the cigarette smuggling and the credit card fraud and the ailians identifications. I alias identifications. He really talked and talked and talked. After several hours, we got him something to eat, he finally looked at me and said, put your pen down, stop writing. And i said, okay. I put my pen aside. 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He knows i know what this is about and thats the opening. He said i cant talk to you about that right now, i need to think about this. Thats when the canadian information became critical. That canadian evidence showed that he had direct contact with mohamed debuque in vancouver. We had surveillance photographs of them together. Once he knew he was going to be charged with Material Support to terrorism, thats when he knew he had to strike a deal. The negotiation turned to i will cooperate with you but ive got concerns about my family in lebanon. His view was that if it came to be known we were cooperating in his prosecution, his family would be dead. So ken was the guy that was taking the point on moving the family to the u. S. That wasnt my first idea of how to get his cooperation but ffs a necessary thing. We wanted his cooperation and tell the story fully and to do that, that was his condition. The full power of the United States government was put into play to make that happen. They were fully rhevetted. These were like children, grandparen grandparents. That happened over easter weekend of 2002 i think. Reporter was it in secret . Its pretty difficult to smuggle people out of the country if they know youre going to smuggle them out of the country. We didnt want hezbollah to know about it. As soon as his family was here, he agreed to testify. They led 17 men and women with alleged links to a terrorist group into the federal courthouse in charlotte. We went to trial in june of 2002. There was a lot of security in place. There was countersnipers on rooftops and helicopter patrols and a lot of security with the movement of the defendants in the case. The courthouse in charlotte, North Carolina, became just a big circus. Hart testified completely. He confirmed he was raising money for criminal contact. One by one pled guilty. Only two left standing were hammoud and his brother. They went to trial. Did you crossexamine him . I did. Its nerve racking. You get the defendant on the stand and he admits hes guilty. They engage in violent acts and sponsor violent acts all over the world. Hezbollah paid very close attention to this. They followed the trial closely. How do you know . I just know. The fbi had an informant in the county jail where Mohamed Hammoud was being held. They told us that hammoud had put out a contract to pget rid f the evidence in the courthouse and to put two bullets in the head of that arrogant prosecutors. Reporter that was you . Yeah. They wanted my wife and sons to leave the error. The fbi put a remote starter on my car and started carrying a weapon. I started thinking if they want me dead, i will be dead. We confronted him about it. We learned that hamoud was open to the idea of the prosecutor being killed but it wasnt his idea. But he was quite willing to go along with it. No doubt about that. My wife thought when it came out, arrogant bastard prosecutor. What wife gets to see confirmation right in the newspaper, that her husbands an arrogant bastard. The jury went out and came back in three days and came back with the verdict of guilty. We note need headquarter, we got the first Material Support conviction in the country. He was sentenced to 165 years in prison. An appeal went up to the supreme court. Reporter what happened to saayeed . Hes sentenced and has been out of prison for some time. Smoke screen still is the most important terrorism case talking about terrorist organizations and how they fund themselves. It was a benchmark case for the first use of the Material Support statute. It was the first conviction at trial in american history. And the proof now is the fact that it been used over a hundred times since this case came about. It is the primary tool to address isis and al qaeda. Every single indictment of an isis or al qaeda has included Material Support. Reporter are there sleeper cells in the United States today . Absolutely. They do lowlevel criminal activity that makes a lot of money. Its not elite that this cell could have been operational if it was in the best interest of hezbollah or iran. I would represent hezbollah represents a clear and present threat to the United States right now. Just in the corners of the radar is hezbollah. As a matter of fact, hezbollah is stronger than ever. We are about to enter a world that no one gets into without permission. So i have to show i. D. To get into this gate. We cant film that process so lets put the camera down while we do that. Inside are 200 square miles of mountains, winding roads and oceanside property, with housing for tens of thousands, supermarkets, schools and stores, you never have to leave